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View Full Version : Miniaturization: Is it possible?
string theorist 07-28-03, 05:12 PM Well now, i got around to read an interesting article on the topic Miniaturization. It was well explained, and well presented, and i wonder why it hasn't been done yet:
-The process of miniaturization works when you decrease Planck's Constant (In order to decrease it, you need a vast amount of energy, but it's not infinite).
-Miniaturization does not affect time flow, nor quantum interaction [electromagnetic] (Already, the time varible is taken out, tremendously decreasing complexity)
-In Miniaturization, gravity is affected,..it would decrease in proportion to the mass
-Light waves are able to enter miniaturized field, but sound cannot (Apparent that light carries more energy)...
-To Deminiaturized, no energy is needed, except to deminiaturized into an aimed scale..controlled deminaturized takes energy
-A unified relativity and Quatum theory would solve this problem, and trhe process wouldbe energy free and efficient. Remember that if we reduce our size, so are our masses...Thus we would achieve FTL travel easily!
ElectricFetus 07-29-03, 12:31 PM and just how do you plan to do this? :bugeye:
420Joey 07-29-03, 03:18 PM and why?
Honey, I shrunk the kids!
phlogistician 07-30-03, 08:58 AM So, just how do you cause a localised change in the value of a fundamental physical CONSTANT?
I would need to see your sources. I find this very hard to swallow. But, lack of plausability does not prove impossibility.
- KitNyx
thefountainhed 07-30-03, 11:31 AM Source seems to be Asimov's Fantastic Voyage.
string theorist 08-01-03, 01:52 PM and just how do you plan to do this?
Dude, if i knew that, i would have had as nobel prize for physics and a check of $999, 995. But so far there are only speculations. The key problem is how do you make a miniaturized field in the first place. go figure.
string theorist 08-01-03, 01:54 PM So, just how do you cause a localised change in the value of a fundamental physical CONSTANT?
By applying a huge amount of energy (but ont infinite)...Huge enough to shrink Planck's constant.
Is it possable to try on the astrial level first by visualizing what essentually you are trying to do with miniturization and see and project the scientific process that you are dealing with in general?
(a very inexpensive way to try experiments perhaps)
ElectricFetus 08-01-03, 02:05 PM If your shrink matter would it not still weigh the same? You can make all the electron take on smaller orbits but you can’t make the nucleus lose weight?
string theorist 08-01-03, 02:42 PM If your shrink matter would it not still weigh the same? You can make all the electron take on smaller orbits but you can’t make the nucleus lose weight?
Good question.
However, miniaturization is always at a proportion. If you are shrinked to 1/2 your size, then so are your mass. However, you must always stay within the miniaturized filed, or else you undergo a series of (uncontrolled) deminiaturization.
string theorist 08-01-03, 02:50 PM Is it possable to try on the astrial level first by visualizing what essentually you are trying to do with miniturization and see and project the scientific process that you are dealing with in general?
(a very inexpensive way to try experiments perhaps)
There are many great benifits. One is the achievement of faster than light travel. Imagine a spaceship shrinked to atom-size. Even with today's propulsion system, it would go a great deal faster than the speed of light. However, the only problem is the uncertainty principle...the path of a small election is not predictable. Likewise, a small ship may go over the speed of light, but in a unpredictable direction. I'm sure there'll be a solution.
Some more benifits of miniaturization:
* Advacements in Neurology/Biology....and much more!
ElectricFetus 08-01-03, 02:53 PM Ya and how is that possible? how would you srink matter???
All I can think of is the replacing of electrons with Muons or extreme compression like that of a white dwarf, both of which do not remove mass.
Inquisitor 08-02-03, 12:37 AM I just finished a Science Fiction book by Robert J. Forward, where he describes the possibility of life on a neutron star. His hypothetical beings use nuclear coupling (instead of molecular) to supplement their physiology. This happens on a very small scale, I might add. So while it is not exactly miniaturization per se, it's still a good inquiry into what might be possible on scales much smaller than our own.
Specialist 08-02-03, 01:24 AM Originally posted by string theorist
There are many great benifits. One is the achievement of faster than light travel. Imagine a spaceship shrinked to atom-size. Even with today's propulsion system, it would go a great deal faster than the speed of light. However, the only problem is the uncertainty principle...the path of a small election is not predictable. Likewise, a small ship may go over the speed of light, but in a unpredictable direction. I'm sure there'll be a solution.
Some more benifits of miniaturization:
* Advacements in Neurology/Biology....and much more!
How would being smaller let us go FTL?
Anything with mass, even an electron is not capable of reaching speed of light.
Shrinking to half your size would not make you have less mass, unless you're giving up matter in the process. In which case you would be changing your body and you wouldn't be a human anymore. Even if you could, you would be traveling greater distances compare to your larger self because it takes you more time to cover the same distance...
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