I just heard today that good 'ol Jacko's new album, Invincible has been postponed even further.

I wondered if people really, truly care anymore??

Michael Jackson has been gone so long that the public really has no interest in him, at all. For that point also, he has nothing to sing about. Of course, what would he sing about if no one was being mean to him....

this coupled with the fact that the folks over at Epic decided he had to redo invincible because it was so bad...

Of corse people care, why would they else insist on doing covers of his old songs?
Don´t be so negative Piffi, it will come back to you.:)

Hey Piffi, don't be so pesimistic, old Michael will sing his 'old' songs for a very long time:p

Who can forget old Michael, with his REAL face and curly hair;)

It's a pity he has changed so much in his face, there is nothing to change anymore, haha, maybe he doesn't like that.....
He can be hooked on these operations....and now there are no anymore:eek:
Untill his face starts to melt away, haha, I am so sorry, I must laugh about good old Michael, it's too silly, all those operations.
Everybody knows what he really looks like, in the early day's when Michael just began to be a star.

But whatever, he has made some good music, danceble music even :cool:
It's a shame it has gone that way with him, he's a good dancer and he made some good songs.......

I wasn't trying to say anything abd about his old songs; I think they were great. However, there came a point where he took a turn. Up until Thriller, he was just a guy who loved to sing and dance and make music. However, once Thriller became such a success, he changed. That's when he started the plastic surgery.

I think he didn't expect thriller to be so big. I guess he thought his other music would always be compared to it, and wanted to find some way to have a 'new Michael' making the new songs. In his little head, I guess that would have made him more successful, and happier:) . to us, it made him a freak.

I just don't think he has the musical stamina to keep doing albums. He was working on 'Invincible' for 2 years. After he showed to the execs, they forced him to redo everything....

I'm sure that says something...

best thing M.J. ever did was the little Coca Cola jingle "always.....coca colaaaaa"

I wondered if people really, truly care anymore??

you obviously do :D

I think you are right Piffi, til Thriller all went well and then at once he had a mega-, megahit.
Yeah, maybe at that time he began thinking how he could change himself and maybe even his music, just to make an album as good as Thriller:o

Poor, poor Michael, he slowly has melted away because of all his surgery's.....I hope he is, at least, a little happy now, but I wonder:rolleyes:

You know, I really think it's a pity, he's always been a good singer and a good dancer....he has millions of dollars.....but if he is happy??.....Nobody seems to know. I think it's a little sad.
So famous and so alone....or isn't he??
Who knows how it is with Michael Jackson nowaday's??
Please will you fill me in, because I am a little curious of what's happening to him nowaday's
:p Thank you......

I thought his fortunes turned after he was accused of being a pedophile. Nobody wanted to take their kids to see his show anymore.

Yeah, hahaha....I have to laugh about it, but in fact it is sad, don't you think?? Such a famous singer and alone in his 'little Disney-land? House...But he has two children or not?? Well, he shall have nanny's to take care of the dipers and so:o
Think this nanny may be not too young then. If it is true....It's never been proven he was quilty :rolleyes:

Well, I like his music, good to dance on and some ballads he made are very nice and I like them a lot. It's a pity he just was going a 'little' over the edge with his plastic surgery.
Why he did that I never understood, never will too I guess.

But he's loaded with money so he doesn't have to perform anymore if he doesn't want that.....it's a long time ago he was here, in the Netherlands.:cool:

And so I can go on for hours....think aloud, or in this case think writing, and I go on for hours, haha;)

But I loooooove music, man I am made through music, if I am writing it in understandable english you know what I mean.......

If I remember correctly, he paid the family to let the accusation drop.

As for music with lyrics, it's a sophisticated chant, an evolution of poetry, set to a musical scale. It's strange when you think about the human attraction to the verbal expression that is rhythmical. I view the rap stuff as a return to the more primitive form of campfire chanting.

Oh, you never listened to the lyrics of Pink Floyd or Roger Waters on his album 'Amused To Death' , then you'd know what I mean.

Lyrics are important yes, very important....
But it's also important to dance to some music which has a fine rhytm and 'dumb' lyrics....:D

I really love to dance, do it every day. On music from Hendrix, P. Floyd but also old Whamm and 'One Night In Bangkok' from Murray Head.
And Peter Gabriel with 'Sledgehammer' and so on and so on...hahaha
So much music, too much to mention all;)

Pink Floyd brings me down. I never could get into listening to him for any length of time. It's downer music. I can appreciate the thoughts conveyed, but each track gives the same message. I prefer something which offers at least a glimmer of hope.

When I was a youngster, my older brothers would be blasting these guys:

http://www.thebeatles.com/

I took an interest and starting collecting their stuff. Around 13 years of age, started listening to Mr. Rude:

http://www.tednugent.com/

My friends got me started on listening to these guys about the same time:]

http://www.aerosmith.com/
http://www.aerosmithfans.com/

This group became interesting when I was a teen:

http://www.led-zeppelin.org/

There was one summer in '76 (I think it was '76.) when this guy came <i>alive</i>:

http://www.frampton.com/

I could go on and on about what I was listening to while I was growing...

AC/DC

BLACK SABBATH

BOSTON

CARS

CREEDENCE CLEARWATER REVIVAL

DEEP PURPLE

DOOBIE BROTHERS

DOORS

ERIC CLAPTON

FLEETWOOD MAC

GEORGE THOROGOOD

JANIS JOPLIN

JETHRO TULL

JOHN FOGERTY

JOHN LENNON

KINKS

NEIL YOUNG

NIRVANA

PINK FLOYD

POLICE

PRETENDERS

QUEEN

ROLLING STONES

RUSH

STEELY DAN

STONE TEMPLE PILOTS

STYX

SUPERTRAMP

TALKING HEADS

THE POLICE

TOM PETTY

VAN HALEN

WHO

YES

ZZ TOP

How come no one has mentioned Leonard Cohen?

I mean songs like 'Sisters of Mercy', 'Bird on a Wire', and "Susanne' have never been equaled.

I had almost forgotten that he existed... Is he still alive? :confused:

Yes, he's still alive. Lives in Canada, Calgary I think.

Here's a website you can check out:

http://www.serve.com/cpage/LCohen/

Take care

Invicible will be interesting. People will listen, and be intrigued even if no one admits it.

MJ was a star for 25 years. People like that don't just fade away, or don't become intresting. Look at Clinton, he was popular eight years, and people love to talk about him.

I'll put a hand up for Mr Cohen. :D

In the great words of Kurt Cobain
' give me a Leonard Cohen afterworld,
so I can sigh, eternally'
Thats from Pennyroyal Tea.
On Michael Jackson, I think I know who he is, isn't he that white guy that married into Elvis's family to try and reboost his career but failed miserably.:p

A coworker was listening to a preview of MJ's album via the net. If you're a Jackson fan with no aspirations of him breaking new ground, you'll probably enjoy the album as much as any other. If you're among the crowd that expects progress from an artist, don't waste your time or your hearing.

thanx,
Tiassa :cool:

I heard on the radio that MJ's label postponed the release and made him go back in to the studio due to the fact that the album was SO bad.

I have to admit it put a smile on my face.

Has he a new album at last and then they send him back because the album was too bad???
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha, man, I am nearly dying laughing:D Here in Holland I haven't heard a thing yet, about MJ having a new album coming out.....So thanks, I now know it earlier then the music t.v here, haha

But it's a little sad too, don't you think?? Poor Michael, back to the studio's.....;)

this is the problem with michael.....
he has very little real talent===
he has tons of producers covering up his mediocre vocals....
he has a lot of turbulence in his life....but he expresses it very literally; impersonally- as if he did not really write it....he always tells us that the real monsters are us for saying he's a monster...but he never says why we might say it...hmmm...
now however he stops the surgery;the painkillers; has a 'family' and he wants to finally lead a more normal life... the way things were supposed to go (or is it all a sham) and has nothing left to write but plain music that comes from his experience in the music industry.... I doubt he really writes it though...
quite literally, MJ is dead and he's nothing more than a singer who had captured the public's attention.
He went so far to capture it (inadvertedly) that he has soured for us...we feel bad for him...yes....we feel he is a liar...
but we do not look up to him
Invincible's success lies in 5 factors:
Off the Wall, HIStory, Dangerous, Thriller, Bad........

Poor MJ, lonely and forgotten.
I guess it's sad though suddenly, there is nothing left for him.
Whatever he did, he pays the price...
Everybody has to pay for his/her actions, even famous singers.
Too bad
;)
Goodbye MJ......maybe we'll see you on t.v. sometimes.

I have to agree that 'You Rock My World' was a bit uninventive. But the new material you can get now is just plain jaw-dropping...MJ doing hip-hop, who would've thought. Yes...most of this new album is groundbreaking, they just put out a 'safe' single first. Michael himslef says he does not like it. But the new stuff, whoa, they really created a new sound.


I'm buying it!:D :D

Bobby Lee, this is just a 'light' conversation about MJ.
We just talk, why are you so hostile?
Yes, there are a lot of rumours about MJ going round.
As you say yourself, rumours...
So I don't know what is true and what is not.
I heard just know, from Congratulations, that his new album is not that bad.
Maybe I will listen to it, maybe not.
I love the dances he puts in his video's, always.

So whatever the truth may be, he has a new album, and that was what I was talking about. Not that it is important, but maybe you should not be so hostile towards mucians, they have often 'things' in the press.
Everything they do is being watched by the world.
That is where rumours start....
Things are true and things are not, I talk about the music, not the rumours.

;) :p

MICHEAL JACKSON IS A FREAK!

Sorry nothing else to add.

OH YEAH,MICHEAL JACKSON IS A FREAK!

Patman, if it makes you feel better, you scream it from the rooftops.
I don't care...
Have fun, doing so...

I am a freak too, you think that is easy?

Of course Jacko is a freak...just looking at him makes my stomach churn. Although, I don't feel hatred towards him, It makes me mad that he single-handedly ruined his career by making himslef look and act like a total lunatic.:(

However, his music is damn good, and especially this new stuff. He actually seems more of a man than a woman, and sings in some places like a growling monster-I mean actually LOW! On the other songs, he sings at a more normal register. So, I think he's cleaned up his act. he looks better, sounds better, and is a lot more confident.

But when he starts singing about 'The Lost Children" i have to wonder where did they get lost??

They get lost where your sick spirit tells you they get lost.
Ok?
What a stupid remark, I am sorry Congratulations, but I find it a stupid remark.
But then again, who am I...?

BUY THE ALBUM...

I think it is so good.
It's a like an 'introspective' of his entire life.

You draw your own conclusions...but he's resolved, all right.
He said it himslef on the Jackson Dailynews.
I swear, he posted something on that forum.

Invincible is a sophisticted work of minimalist art.
the kind you appreciate from the act of viewing it,
not the art itself.

Do you guys like the Alien Ant Farm cover of Smooth Criminal,I love that song, all of the people i've talked too like it more than the Jacko version.
I haven't even heard his version and i'm not in any hurry either.

I don't care at all about Alien Ant Farm !!
They kind of ruined the song. It lost it's edge.

So I don't care-that's for da record.


BUY INVINCIBLE PLEASE!

No way in hell will I ever pay money for Michael Jackson,thats for da record.:p

Originally posted by Congratulations
I don't care at all about Alien Ant Farm !!
They kind of ruined the song. It lost it's edge..


The only thing thats lost its egde is Michael Jackson, Alien Ant Farm have done him a favour by covering his song, they found a way to make it cool, plus put his name back on the radio, more so than he has himself even with a new album out.

Congratulations, you are so wrong. The 'new' album from Michael is not really new, in the way, the music sounds exactly the same as the albums before.
He is just trying to make an album that is better then Thriller, but it won't work. He sounds as Michael Jackson, always the same.
But the dances are good, I teach them to young girls at dancing lessons. I even can do the Moonwalk. Nothing to it.
The cover that is made of Smooth Criminal is terrible, yes.
But there is nothing real new stuff on the new album. You understand what I try to say? It is good, but it is MJ, no more, no less. Nothing new under the sun, it sounds like MJ, and he is trying very hard with this new album. But it is the same as the rest. Thriller was such a big, big hit, he never can do better then that, never do it better and that is what he try's to do here on the new album and that I don't like.
But I like to look at him, and his dances, they are always good, the dances I mean.

;) :)

I never thought Invincible would be bigger than thriller....I thought it would be good, different, and a little more sane.

It is clearly the sanest album he's put out in years.....probably the first since dangerous.

This album is really like a retrospect of his whole career (haven't we had enough of those...) but it's done in a very subtle way.
the album is all about him, it's coy, sly, and deceitful.

he's tricking us into buying his album....and therefore backstab Epic the last time...

Nobody really knows the deal with Mj's record deal.
In 1990 (i think) he signed a 900 million dollar, 4 album deal with Epic. He wanted out very quickly, which is probably why he did two discs for HIStory instead of just the new stuff. Then, he released BOTDF and figured he could get out, since he had realesed 4 discs.

;) However, Epic then changed its mind and decided that HIStory counted as only one, so he had one more album he had to record.
Number one, his popularity was waning, so for the sake of business, Epic wanted it out fast. Number two, MJ was nearing a financial crisis and needed 200 million dollars fast just to get him out of the hole.

He recorded a bunch of stuff, Sony said no, we want safer tracks. you know, real commercial stuff. They redid the album, and now Sony says they want more pop ballads. So they added two cheaply produced babyface tracks at the last minute, (Dont walk away and You are my life). The album goes from 14 tracks to 16, which is now the reviewers' main complaint, and the two tracks they added are total crap.

Invincible is born of a record deal mess, which michael is out of now, since Invincible is out. Maybe in a year we'll have Invincible 1, unfettered by the hands of SonyMusic...

You are a real FAN aren´t you?
How do you know so much about him? Are you a stalker? :D

Or maybe you are Michael Jackson! Telling us to BUY the record!

Well, probably not, but think about the marketing strategy that opens itself up , if the marketing industry sends out people on the forums and chats pretending to be "ordinary" people, only with a mission to first establish a trust and a sense of reliability and then back stab them with their sales-mission. Almost like Tony1 is doing for Christianity, with the difference that he is not employed by the church anymore since the church has discovered that his mission has failed and only resulted in the opposite of the intention.


What was that?
Oh, my brain flying away....nice wings.....:D

*Originally posted by Bebelina
if the marketing industry sends out people on the forums and chats pretending to be "ordinary" people, only with a mission to first establish a trust and a sense of reliability and then back stab them with their sales-mission.*

What do you mean "if?"

*Almost like Tony1 is doing for Christianity, with the difference that he is not employed by the church anymore since the church has discovered that his mission has failed and only resulted in the opposite of the intention.*

There is no opposition to the word of God.

If you agree, you are one of the sheep.
If you disagree, you are one of the goats.

See? No opposite.

And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
(Matthew 25:32, KJV).

*What was that?
Oh, my brain flying away....nice wings.....*

Yes.

Hello Tony, nice to see you outside of the religion thread. I suspected that mentioning your name in a disregarding manner would help. :p

So we are all narrowed down to sheep and goats ? What is Michael Jackson then? A goeep? A shoat? :D

No not Shoat, Shite.:D

Michael Jackson is an animal, just not something pleasant like a sheep. While i do think he has totally failed as a person, I like his music. Invincible is better than most, but certainly pales when compared to Thriller. I just thought the whole thing about the record deal was interesting so i wrote about it. nothing more.

The only album i want YOU to buy is the new Celine Dion album.
Out in March!
Featuring....
Collaborations with: Enya, David Foster, famous Swedish pop producers...
and all the friends that have helped celine Through the years.
Simply put, this album is a total smash!


out in March by none other than Celine, the true Queen of pop!



copyright 2001 Epic Records. All rights reserved

Congratulations, what is that with you? You seem rather sure of yourself, telling us this and do that. Why is that?
Is something wrong with you?
Why MUST we buy an album of Celine Dion?
Please, no, thank you. I hate the singing by Celine Dion.
I am not telling you, you MUST buy an album by Pink Floyd or Jimi Hendrix do I.
Will you please be a little more friendly and not so forcing and insulting?
Thank you.

About MJ everything is said I guess, but I can be wrong.
Bye.

Celine Dion sucks Major Arse.
That is all.

Oh, Banshee.... You just took me too literally. I was making a joke.

;) Bebelina was saying she thought I was a secret operative from Sony who was trying to get people to buy the new Michael Jackson album. Therefore, I made a pint to sound like an operative as if saying 'yeah, and you thought that sounded stiff.'
I know, some things are misunderstood, but really, I wasn't trying to be mean. I could care less if you buy a Celine Dion album. I do like her, which is why I knew in the first place that she had an album coming out anyway. (I don't think anyone really cares, or ever has.)
Ok, Banshee, I'm sorry for making you mad. It is certainly good of you to be so good natured that you find offense at that.

And since this is the MJ forum, I've obviously got some more to say here. If seeing him in Times Square wasn't enough to change your opinion of him, I don't know what could. It was like Thriller all over again and that kicked arse.

Well, I have seen MJ live and it was certainly a wonderful good performance with great guitars and he really is a good entertainer.
I teach dancing and we have the dances from him.
Can you do the Moonwalk?
I do and a lot more, for his dances are great, always.
That I have to say is very good and a lot of artists try to make likewise dances in their music clips, but MJ started it and man, can he dance.
And his music swings, always danceble or how you may call it. That I do like about MJ very much.
:)

Piff, I know you own every MJ album, and the ones you don't own you're borrowing from me. You have quoted yourslef that Invincible is one of the greatest, and that Michael redid because he wanted it to be perfect. So shut your crap hole.

OVer and OUt

What a way to fill a page with utter crap Hurricane Andy, if there the best qoutes you have of him then its just reafirmed my opinion that MJ is a complete and utter waste of my time.
I'm going to home,you can qoute me on that,;)

Hey Bobby Lee, are you lost?
This is the Michael Jackson thread, that is what they are talking about, haha.:)

HurrycaneAndy, can you please change that rotten lettertype.
You are blinding my eyes every time I see it.
Not very funny, neither are the quotes, I am sorry.
This is not meant to be mean to you, just the letters, they blind me, every time I see it.;)

Yup Hurricane. Your quotes might amuse if they were in a typesize one would bother to read :(

Michael Jackson... out of proportion productions (Boring "You rock my world"-video).
Only time he was really cool was in the "Scream" video :)

There I do agree with you.
The 'Scream' video is a real good one, yes.

But MJ has had it I guess, his music doesn't change, it is most of the time the same.
It is nice when you are going out dancing, to dance at,but nothing new under the sun, concerning his music.;)

;) Hurricane Andy got a little request from 'The Administration' to change his quotes. They probably said they were too long, but we all know the true reason.
THEY SUCK ARSE.

Originally posted by Congratulations
;) Hurricane Andy got a little request from 'The Administration' to change his quotes. They probably said they were too long, but we all know the true reason.
THEY SUCK ARSE.

Hell yeah:D

Thanks to the Administrator for I don't have to wear sunglasses any more to look at the screaming letters.;)

HurrycaneAndy, don't let it stop you from posting, just change it.
Hope to see you back at Sciforums.

There has been no other human on earth that has inspired me more than dear Michael. He is one of the greatest artists of all time and a person of understanding and love. All the stories that were rocketed against him were only efforts to get money from him. Unfortunately they succeeded in getting money but NOT his soul. The album invincible is not that great, I do wonder why.... I was expecting more from this go. I think he should record again soon and get back to the basics that really made him great.
Net everyone can be great all the time.

As an artist I would like to invite other people with various talents to my site I just finished



http://www.talentgrid.com

thank you

If you want to call him the King of Pop, go ahead, Pop music is generally shite anyway, not that great an achievment in my book.
Note:I said my book,don't go getting hostile over my opinion of MJ, each to their own hey.
I wouldn't go as far as to say he was one of the greatest artists either, great performer is more what i'd say, ( if your into his kind of thing that is)
BTW
Nice way to pimp your site there,may investigate at a later date.

Originally posted by Neb
Celine Dion sucks Major Arse.
That is all.
And she has quite a saggy one too. (If you would call the flat bump on her rear an arse)

Oh, and piffi and congratulations are the same person.

Originally posted by MuliBoy
[B]Yup Hurricane. Your quotes might amuse if they were in a typesize one would bother to read :(


Yes, I had to change them rather quickly to save my handy-work. It's all at my site(http://valkrisystems.0catch.com/index.html)

And to Piffi (Congratulations) Try to keep your password a little more discreet--i am always accidentally logging on as you.

Guy's please, i'm so hungover today, all these people using the same/different names is causing my head to near explode.
Pick a name and stick with it, please, for the love of god!!:D

I do agree with Neb.

There is at least one other person at Sciforums from who I certainly know he posts under at least 3 different names. Not very nice to play an actors roll at Sciforums.

Why can't we just pick one name and stick to that. There is one Banshee, no other names here and at other forums where I post too, I am Banshee also.
Don't need to play an actor in as on Broadway or in a movie. Come on members of Sciforums, thought we had serious contacts here.
For the most part I think the members stick by one name, but I know very sure there are more members with more then one nickname.

Why is this Congratulations(Piffi)???????:mad:

I apologise for being off the thread in this reply, but I thought it was important enough to say something about this posting in different names by one and the same member(s).

Congratulations(Piffi), will you please explain why you do this?

Thank you.

;) Ok, I'll tell all. I was piffi for awhile. I am not-NOT HurricaneAndy. HurricaneAndy, I know him, yet he isn't me. He is what we like to call a little brother who goes on his big brother's websites to give him a bad reputation. I switched from piffi because no one liked me here as piffi, but I'm Congratulations now. I felt really guilty, I mean honestly, but I had been really sad for awhile that I just wasn't very good with piffi. No one respnded to my stuff, I couldn't keep up with it, and no one liked me. So as a psychological thing I changed my name and kind of killed piffi. So after that now, I have a much better time here as Congatulations.

;) If you could please not not like me for that, too, it would be nice. Since then Congratulations would suffer the same fate as piffi and I really wouldn't want to try again. So just disregard all this and don't bother me about it, please. It doesn't make anything I say less meaningful, and it doesn't mean I don't care about what you say. It means I had some problems, I was depressed (about a lot of things) so I just did it. So I'm sorry.

Now, what was that we were talking about? Michael Jackson?
A bit of irony, banshee, you like me more as piffi, I think. Well, that's over and done now.

Congratulations,
It is never the name that causes people to answer or not answer a post. It is the content. That is also the reason some people are disliked and others are liked. It is not a name thing.

MJ started out as a singer, when he was a kid. I think he fell victum to the same problem that most stars hit. How to make the next better than the last. You reach a point where the best you can give is never enough. So you go concentrate on being a performer instead of a singer to give more dimension to the show. Somewhere along the line you find that the creative juices dry up and then it is the same old thing over and over. MJ has made a fine decision to buy the songs he did and thereby recieve royalties to them, including the state song of, I believe, South Carolina.

Well Congratulations, I have to agree with Wet1. It is never in a name whether humans like to reply on you, it is the words they post....
So if you think you will do better by this so called new 'name', you will have to wait and see what happens....

As far as MJ concerns. I am done with him, nothing new under the Sun as I said before. Nothing to add to this item any more.

See you in another thread....:)

Babelina is not me! And have no right to pose as me either. :mad:

BAbelina, MJ a girl?

You are a MAN. Come on out...STOP HIDING and tell us who you are.:mad:

You have fun?? Making a fool of BEbelina and her website???

Be BRAVE and tell us who you really are. I have a pretty good idea, so come on out...your stupid game has lasted long enough.

Stupid pest...on every thread. Very brave, man, how PATHETIC you are...

Hey, I say its time for WWF wrestling.............lol


Not me of course but the ones fighting....


just kidding...



bjl:rolleyes:

I thought this was an MJ thread.
For those still interested (there may be a few) the answer is at pharaohofpop.com (http://www.pharaohofpop.com)