Methane on Mars – biological or geological origin?

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Methane on Mars – biological or geological origin?

Poll closed Mar 20, 2009.
  1. Biological origin

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  2. Geological origin

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  3. Other

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  4. Don’t know

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  1. Hercules Rockefeller Beatings will continue until morale improves. Moderator

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    A team of NASA and university scientists has discovered 'substantial plumes' of methane floating through the atmosphere of Mars. The discovery indicates Mars is either biologically or geologically active.

    So what do Sciforum members think? Biology or geology? Or maybe something else.

     
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  3. John Connellan Valued Senior Member

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    I would instinctively say geological
     
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  5. draqon Banned Banned

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    geological origin.
     
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  7. Hercules Rockefeller Beatings will continue until morale improves. Moderator

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    Okay, but why? This link shows an image made spectroscopically using large ground-based telescopes of ppb methane in the Martian atmosphere. What would a similar image of the Earth look like? Is terrestrial atmospheric methane predominantly due to biology or geology?
     
  8. draqon Banned Banned

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    the reason why its not biological is because its way too harsh of an environment on Mars in order for something to stay alive there.
     
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    That’s not sound reasoning. The surface of Mars may be harsh (depending on your definition of “harsh”) but beneath the surface there is almost certainly liquid water, higher pressure, protection from radiation and warmer conditions. Some parts of Earth can throw up harsher conditions than are likely to be found in the Martian subsurface, and in every extreme environment on Earth (natural or man-made) there are bacteria that live there quite comfortably.

    Further than that, bacteria have shown that they can withstand conditions harsher than even the Earth can throw up. Bacterial stowaways survived trips to the Moon and back on probes.

    Mars was once a lot warmer and wetter than it is today. What’s to say that life didn’t arise back then and has continued on beneath the surface where it is protected from the harsher conditions that have developed on the surface since then?

    I also seem to remember reading some botanists that said that even some terrestrial eukaryotes could withstand the present-day Martian surface, such as lichen.
     
  10. synthesizer-patel Sweep the leg Johnny! Valued Senior Member

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    Deja vu anyone?

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    the short answer is that at this stage we can't rule out either possibility.

    Methane is a very simple molecule and can be synthesized through both biotic and abiotic processes and there are extremophile bacteria here on earth that live or will thrive in all kinds of really nasty extreme environments that would make Mars look like a sunday school outing - here's a nice example - this sucker was found at the bottom of the Marianas trench and will live quite happily in Toluene FFS!!!!!

    http://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...serid=10&md5=736a3f39b77abe450199319d15fa4303

    Whether or not the particular example cited by the OP turns out to be one or the other, I would not be at all surprised if extremophiles were found on Mars at some point
     
  11. John Connellan Valued Senior Member

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    I have no idea why - that's why I said instinctively.

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    Somewhere in my brain my subconscious worked out that all this methane is not caused by life that we will or will not find. Unfortunately, my conscious brain cannot argue why not.

    You did only ask for an opinion though. Maybe someone else can explain why they think life did not cause this methane.

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