For those of you who listen to Metallica, do you feel that their newest recording will be better than the loads and if so do you feel that you are in for a flashback to the fast and heavy metallica from the late 80's?

Metallica have sold out and as such are no more.

Originally posted by ben nevis
Metallica have sold out and as such are no more.

I agree completely with ben nevis. I own four Metallica albums, as follows.

Ride the lightning
Master of puppets
And justice for all
Metallica

After those albums, Metallica completely sold out. I think St. Anger sounds like crap, and as such I will not purchase it.

hillbillies that never grew up. I read an article in Revolver and it said that Metallica had a poster in their studio of Phil Anselmo from Pantera that has a message written on it something to the effect that he has to make music and lyrics like he does to overcompensate for his small penis. It is obvious why they would say this because if you look back you can see that Pantera was a major competitor with Metallica for the best metal band for many years. The truth of the matter is that Pantera may never release another album, but they never sold out, the same cannot be said for Metallica. Its just really lame that they think that they have to make really heavy music now so the kids will think they are cool, its a wrap Lars Ulrich, you old anti-music trading fag.

in my opinion, i feel that the Loads are james' version of COC and Kyuss. he is a fan of both and having appeared on one COC track leads me to believe he was in that type of mood.

they (the loads) tend to fit that stoner desert rock genre. however, they do not even come close to the impressive writing found in either band emulated.

i find this argument pathetic. metallica sold out because they went a bit soft? most people i know think metallica sold out because after master of puppets their HARD sound was no longer there. that's just the evolution of the band. no band can stay the same forever. i liked metallica the album....... load and reload were good too. you don't like unforgiven 2, wasting my hate etc.?

another group of people think metallica sold out because they 'shut down' napster. yeah it sucked, but they were protecting their rights. i admire the fact that they had the balls to stand up and do that, knowing that they might alienate someof their fans. they were protecting their rights and there's nothing wrong with that.

I heard a while ago a part of a track on St. Anger and I don't really recall how it sounds, but it reminded me the sound of the heavy tracks from reload and load.

Metallica....
They used to be my favourite band, and their first 5 old albums, Kill 'Em All, Ride the Lightning, Master of Puppets, ...And Justice For All and Metallica (Black Album) are still my favourite albums of all, but in Load and on they lost their old style and started something new. I like some of it, but still, they became less technically impressive in the last albums. I like fast and technical stuff, something they had and a lot of it, but now they've just lost it, so goodbye Metallica!
And I don't think they sold out because they became softer or because they closed down napster. Their new style doesn't suit my taste anymore. Instead, I went deeper into metal, into something that technically and melodically is superior to Metallica - Children Of Bodom. DAMN THEY RULE!

i used to listen to metallica and maiden quite a bit when i was 10 or 11. now i'm just into floyd and led zep. and all the otherstuff becomes irrelevant.

Originally posted by airavata
i used to listen to metallica and maiden quite a bit when i was 10 or 11. now i'm just into floyd and led zep. and all the otherstuff becomes irrelevant.

Yeah, i can relate to that.
If you listen to Jeff Beck's Truth cd..
Zep sounds somewhat irrelevant.

I thought metallica were boring in
1986- who needs that when you've
got Black Sabbath? But, they were
100 times better than Bon Jovi (shit).

Now, it's watching the elderly
pound out those old and tired riffs
with the "here we go again" wank
wha-wha guitar solo.

Metallica died after the and justice for all album. Rest in peace Metallica... i wish you could come back but its almost impossible after so many stupid albums

LONG LIVE HEAVY METAL!

*goes back to listen Children of Bodom- Everytime I Die*

METALLICA

+

R.I.P

KILL EM ALL 2 Garage inc

DEA+H

"time
taking its toll ON you
the lines that crack your face"

METALLICA

+

R.I.P

KILL EM ALL 2 Garage inc

Don't know exactly what you're trying to say there, but your bringing up Garage Inc. brings us to a good point. The real proof of how they sold out.

Garage Days Rerevisited. Anybody remember that? Remember the little byline to that album? The $5.98 EP. Guaranteed to cost no more than $5.98 anywhere. And so, what does our latter day Metallicatz do with the material? Slap it on a cd. Add a few extra tracks. Add another 20 dollars (at least) to the price. And, oh yeah, add the bit about Incorporated.

Fucking corporate sellouts is what they are. They're fucking whores. Cliff Burton is rolling in his fucking grave.

Kill them.

Kill 'em All.


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Oh. And all you who credit the Black album as their last decent album. You have to accept that it is this album where they sold out. Not after. During. Enter Sandman? Sellout. Unforgiven? Sellout. Nothing Else Matters? Sellout.

Why are these songs sellouts? Because they are catering to a whole different market than their earlier music. They were catering to the radio airplay market. To the little girl market. This is how they sold out. They became cool. Before this they were dirty and disgusting. Hated by the cool crowd. Although the crowd that listened to Metallica was cool. It wasn't the mainstream cool. If you follow.

Metallica is now pop music.

Accept it. Like it. Love it.

Cliff is so lucky that he died under that bus.

Yeah, they went down with Cliff, R.I.P

I am a big Metallica fan. I can't say for sure why they sold out, but they did. I love everything up to (and including) the black album. Saint Anger is okay, but it's just not the same Metallica I came to like.

Cliff is so lucky that he died under that bus.

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uhhhh....


Luckier than if he would have just quit citing "creative differences"...? :confused:


I'd rather be a has been collecting royalty checks than Stone Dead Forever...

nowhutahmean...?

;)

Also a big fan up to and including the black album, even had jump in the fire/creeping death ep and garage revisited on vinyl. Bought load and thought it was shit. Gave em another chance, bought reload, liked one song on it, thought the rest was shit. Bought garage inc, liked some of the covers and of course all the classics like "stone cold crazy"and "so what". Got given Symph & Met, thought it was ok. I heard the song "St anger" on the radio and didn't bother buying the album.
I guess there's just something wrong with rich old men trying to be angry and tuff and rererevisit their youth.

Wouldn't say sold out. More like they just decided to release a shit album. All the greats have total stinkers. This is Metallicas. Although I still regard as many of Metallicas albums as some of the best in the world, there just hasn't been room in my life for the gang. Master of Puppets is by far my favourite. St. Anger...I've given it so many chances, I still try to listen to them. Their best song was Dirty Window purely because it sound like a Henry Rollins track.

Just hope they "sell out" to the fans and revert back to a decent style once more

I read an article in a magazine called Guitar, or Guitar Player - something like that - while I was waiting for a vehicle oil change a ways back which stated that St. Anger has such a kooky sound to it because producer Bob Rock and the "Sell Outs" decided to follow a peculiar course when putting it together, using all manner of instrument and vocal tracks recorded along the way to the "completed" songs - regardless of comparative quality - and slapping 'em together to produce something "off the beaten track" sound-wise.

I've only heard a couple of tracks which a local radion station was playing when the album first came out.
It sounded like "Rich guys try to get back to their roots" or somesuch.

I suppose it's impossible for a band which has gone from all living in one room practically starving for want of money to making an album in their own studio(in which each has his own office, fer the luvva Mike) to have the same perspective, or retain the same "sound" as when they were young buck-a-roos.

Exactly. That's the sound they were aiming for, the garage band sound. But their music has grown with them so why change that? Songs like Memory Remains reflect this. That was done while they were huge and it does show this. But them pretending to be something their not was both crap and erm...crap. They are now huge rock stars so they should be making huge rock star albums. At least that way the chances of at least one "soon to be classic" song would emerge. There were none in St. Anger.

I recall saying to some friends of mine soon before MI:2 was released in the cinemas: "If the next Metallica album is on par with I Disappear, then it's going to be a waste".

It was terrible compared to I Disappear. But that's just my personal preference.

Indeed so...

I never understood the "sellout" label.
Well... I understand it, but I don't agree.
Then again, I myself like the "elaborately produced" sound they adopted.

One of the reasons I started listening to them back in the Ride the Lightning days was that it seemed even then that they put a little more into production than some of their contemporaries in the "speed metal" genre.

There must be something wrong with people that don't like the album St Anger.

. . . I don't mean that literally, but I just don't get people sometimes. Then again, I don't get Pubs either — wink wink to RubiksMaster :D.

I like St Anger better than the older songs. I don't like how the older songs start out good but then change, get faster and faster, to the point where the songs's sounds resemble the sounds of others on the same album. It's a cop-out.

In my opinion, Metallica got better with each album. The songs on St Anger do not sound like each other. I like that.

Depends what you grow up with, i grew up with their older stuff and when i was 16 they were the first 'big' concert i even went to. I saw them in their prime at the release of the black album, so i guess thats why i prefer their older stuff, what can i say, the memory remains...

Hmm, I think nearly every song on St. Anger sounds the same, additionally, the lyrics for that album are pretty weak. Many repetitions and nearly no content.

Athelwulf,

It's because you're a young punk who doesn't understand the band. You like pop music obviously. It's ok. I hear that Metallica will be putting out a christmas album with Brittany Spears. Should be right up your alley.

KillJoy,

Luckier than if he would have just quit citing "creative differences"...?

Right. But, I think that if Cliff hadn't died he would have maintained the integrity of the band somewhat. It was after his death that the band members began to advertise for instrument manufacturers. Cliff had always had bad things to say about such a state of affairs. Whoring for the corporations, he called it.

Perhaps Cliff has been built up too high in memory and he would have in fact changed as well, but I doubt if they would have gone as far as they have gone. I mean they were wearing makeup for Christ's sake. WTF!?





Anyway, it's true that one shouldn't expect a band to stay the same forever. Especially metal bands. The truth is that the metal genre is somewhat limiting to creativity. There are only so many blistering guitar solos before it all starts to blend together. So, taking their music down a new path is not something to be reviled in and of itself.

However, Metallica actually meant something to a generation of angst-ridden boys (most girls HATED them and everything to do with them.) It has been said that the angsty teenager is just a tool that seeks something to rebel with. To play at being different while foolishly conforming to someone else's dream. And this is true. To a large extent, what is true of the goth culture of today is true of the metalhead culture of the mid-80's. But, even so, Metallica meant something. And now they mean shit.

One of the biggest problems with the 'new' Metallica is that it is obvious that they just have a bunch of ass-kissers going around telling them that they're great. Look at Hetfield's vocals. Or listen to them, I should say. A dead cat would sing better than that freak, but here he is warbling away thinking he's Frank fucking Sinatra or some shit.

James. Your power is in ripping out the raw, harsh, visceral shouts. The anger and the power that came through your shitty voice. Now you just sound like some Christine Aguilera (sp?) wannabe.

Lars. Shut the fuck up you hyperactive pussy. (I blame Lars for ruining the band. If anyone in the band should be abused it should be Lars.)

Jason. Ha. I wish there was video of you getting beat up by the boys. That'd be some funny shit.

Kirk. Good guitars but dude, seriously. There's this thing called testosterone. You might try some someday.

New guy. Whatever.

Dave Mustaine. If only you weren't such a fucking loser to get kicked out of the band maybe you could have kept them together. But I doubt it. You probably would have just got all them hooked on heroin too.

Metallica.
Dead.
Dying.
Losers.
I like to think of them as the Metallicatz. You know. Like coolsville, daddio. 23 skadoo.

Oh. Bob Rock. Die you miserable fucking scumbag. Just fucking die.

In my opinion, Metallica got better with each album. The songs on St Anger do not sound like each other. I like that.
They definetely didn't get better with each album. Their earlier albums were the best. Listen to "Kill 'em All," "And Justice for All," and "Ride the Lightning." They had such a better style back then. It was Metallica.

Don't get me wrong, my favorite album is "Metallica" (the black album), and I like "Reload" quite a bit. Those are newer than the aforementioned ones. Although, when looked at as a whole, their old work was their best.

Don't get me wrong, I like St. Anger a little bit. It is just not Metallica. When I want to hear Metallica, I don't put on St. Anger. And, yes the songs on that one do sound the same.

They have started to sound like all the other metal bands that are new. They lost that '80s "tinny" sound. They were reborn, and now they aren't nearly as good as what they used to be.

I like St Anger better than the older songs. I don't like how the older songs start out good but then change, get faster and faster, to the point where the songs's sounds resemble the sounds of others on the same album. It's a cop-out.
Which of their older songs start out good but change later on? Some of them (especially on "and Justice For all") tend to have long musical interludes halfway through that have a slightly different sound. But that is a good thing. It adds variety to the songs. It keeps the songs from becoming repetetive. And when do they ever speed up??

I like how much of their old stuff had an acoustic introduction. Very nice!
I love the old Metallica, and I wish they would come back!

We all miss the old metallica. And even after napster and all the selling out. They still rock live. Even with the new bass playing, they put on one hell of a concert. I'll give them that.

thier older stuff was the best. Now it is just utter crap.

It's because you're a young punk who doesn't understand the band. You like pop music obviously. It's ok. I hear that Metallica will be putting out a christmas album with Brittany Spears. Should be right up your alley.

:rolleyes: I like Rock, R&B, Alternative, some Rap, and yes, sometimes Pop. It depends on my mood. Btw, ya spelt "Britney Spears" wrong. :p

Which of their older songs start out good but change later on? . . . And when do they ever speed up??

The song "...And Justice for All" is an example of the song changing. This song, however, is a unique case, in that all the sounds it assumes as it plays are good. I can't complain about this song, but it's still an example of a song that changes.

The song "Ride the Lightning" is another example, better than the previous one. I really like the intro, sounds great with a bass boost. But the sound of the song changes beyond recognition. I generally don't like it when songs do that.

"Battery", on the album Masters of Puppets, is yet another good example which is also that of a song "getting faster". Very good beginning. But then the sound starts changing, and the pace quickens. By about four minutes into the song, the sound is distastefully rapid in my opinion.

The albums I don't like so much are Ride the Lightning, Master of Puppets, and ...And Justice for All. Some of the songs are decent, but they commit the crimes aforementioned. Kill 'Em All isn't on my computer, so I assume I don't like it so much either. Those are the oldest CDs, I think. Metallica, Load, and Reload are better. The best album, however, is St Anger.

Reload?.... best album St. Anger?

You're obviously a product of the rapid decline in musical taste. I'm going out on a limb and saying that Master of Puppets was Metallica's best album. Every single song on that album is beautiful... and every single song is different in it's own way. That album is metal played near perfection.. disposable heroes, orion.. what brilliant songs. The lyrics in their early albums though not exceptional are far better than their newer stuff.

So you like songs whose sound doesn't change? Songs which sound the same and have the same old boring monotonous sound throughout?
Do you think AC/DC are a brilliant group?

Athelwulf,

The album "And Justice for All" was the most complex album that Metallica had done. The songs were complex and changing. In fact, I've read articles about how they don't even like playing songs off of that album because they are so tough to remember all the changes. That said, that album still kicks ass. But, know what I don't like about that album? One. One. That beautiful song, One. That amazing video, One. That bringer of the masses to Metallica, One. One was the beginning of the end. And the deal was cinched in the next album with Nothing Else Matters and The Unforgiven. After that, it was all over. Just waiting for the grave diggers now.

As to the other songs, a lot of Metallica's songs opened with a melodic intro and would then shift into the harder stuff almost immediately. The examples you gave were like this.

And I doubt that you'd like Kill 'em all (small trivia. It's original name was meant to be Metal up your Ass). You also wouldn't like the ep's and bootlegs that came out before this.

I have to say that you suck. It's people like you that convince Metallica that they're on the right track. If nobody bought their worthless album then they'd have to try to cater once more to their real fans. The old hardcore fans. But, I think it's too late. Fuck 'em. That's what I say.

Airavata,

And don't forget Sanitarium. Metallica had a trend. Every album they'd put one purely melodic song. Something soft and sweet. Ride the Lightning had Fade to Black. Kill 'em all... Hmm. It didn't have one did it? So I guess the trend started with Ride the LIghtning. Anyway, these soft songs were great, but eventually led to all the teenybopper pop pussies jumping on the bandwagon. I can still clearly remember the MTV Music Awards of... 91 or 92 when Metallica played Enter Sandman. I can still clearly see the audience watching and unsure how to respond. Just standing there. Trembling. One bitch was banging her head sideways more of a head bopping than a head banging. But, that was when they began to sell out. When they began to cater to those pukes.

As to AC/DC, they were God when Bon Scott was alive. And Brian Johnson put out a few decent tapes. Basically, everything up to Who made Who. Everything after that was pure crap. Every song exactly the same. I mean they've always had a signature sound, but after Who made Who it became ridiculously homogenous.

Just got "ride the lightning" yesterday. Its quite good. But I'm not really into metallica, so what do I know?

everything up to Who made Who.

Wasn't "who made who" a movie soundtrack album for "maximum overdrive"? Has anyone actually seen that movie? Awesome album, but I think thats definately the point where they lost it after that. Razors edge had a few good tracks on it tho and they still put on a pretty decent show for the razors edge tour.

You're obviously a product of the rapid decline in musical taste.

Um . . . No.

I think I see now why my album preferences are different from yers. Ye'r into heavy metal rock. I'm into regular rock.

So you like songs whose sound doesn't change? Songs which sound the same and have the same old boring monotonous sound throughout?
Do you think AC/DC are a brilliant group?

Yes. Not the way you put it. Never heard any of their songs.

But, know what I don't like about that album? One. One. That beautiful song, One. That amazing video, One. That bringer of the masses to Metallica, One. One was the beginning of the end. And the deal was cinched in the next album with Nothing Else Matters and The Unforgiven. After that, it was all over. Just waiting for the grave diggers now.

:eek:

. . . :eek:

Ya don't like One?! Nothing Else Matters??!!! THE UNFORGIVEN??!!!

. . . :eek:

*Makes cross with index fingers and growls menacingly*

Now ye'r just being a freak!

Im not a big metallica fan, i like a few tracks but never a whole album and im not sure why, St Anger was a good track, along with Nothing Else Matters and Enter Sandman, the best for me is I Disappear, im sure theres another track i liked but i cant think of the name, but most of their stuff just isnt overly impressive to me.

Justice for all was badly produced/mixed, shitty sounds, where is the bass ?
On the Black album I listen Enter sandman never, crappy sing-along-song, Nothing else matters and Unforgiven, cant beat Fade to black.
They were evolving and pretty good in Ride the lightning, Master of puppets was their highlight, battery kicks ass still. After Justice they had done it all so to speak and
headed to new directions, I liked the Black-album somewhat but to me,
Metallica = Ride the Lightning, Master of puppets, and some other songs from here and there. Cliff was the dude who did bring "music theory" to that band, understanding the harmonies and melodies, and some kick-ass bass playing !

Never heard any of their songs.
I thought you said you liked "regular rock." How much more "regular" can you get?

Oh, some more stuff.
To Athelwulf:
I am not hearing the "drastic" change in "ride the lightning."
Okay, Battery does speed up by about 40 bpm in the last 30 seconds of the song, but it still ROCKS!

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[/QUOTE]Even with the new bass playing, they put on one hell of a concert. I'll give them that.[?QUOTE]
I bet they do! I am still waiting for them to come play anywhere near where I live.

Ya don't like One?! Nothing Else Matters??!!! THE UNFORGIVEN??!!!

I do like them. One more than the others. But, what I don't like about them is they brought Metallica into the mainstream. They paved the road to what we have today. Good for you. Bad for us.

I think I see now why my album preferences are different from yers. Ye'r into heavy metal rock. I'm into regular rock.

And don't you find it ironic that the name of the band is Metallica? Not Rockica.
Justice for all was badly produced/mixed, shitty sounds, where is the bass ?

Justice was Newstead's first album. They didn't give him any rein. He was buried. Might as well not even have been there.

I thought you said you liked "regular rock." How much more "regular" can you get?

Ain't that the truth?
How the hell can someone claim to like Rock and Roll and say they've never heard much AC/DC? Boggles the mind.

I thought you said you liked "regular rock." How much more "regular" can you get?

How the hell can someone claim to like Rock and Roll and say they've never heard much AC/DC? Boggles the mind.

I just haven't heard any AC/DC, okay?

*Watches invert's mind boggle*

I am not hearing the "drastic" change in "ride the lightning."

Well, now that I listen to it more closely, there isn't a drastic change. I suppose "Ride the Lightning" is a bad example.

"Fade to Black" is a better example. Listen to the first minute of the song, then skip to the beginning of the fourth minute. There's drastic for ya.

Okay, Battery does speed up by about 40 bpm in the last 30 seconds of the song, but it still ROCKS!

That's very nice for you.

And don't you find it ironic that the name of the band is Metallica? Not Rockica.

Gee . . . That's odd . . . Where the fuck did that name come from? . . .

It's only a name, dude . . . like "Bowling for Soup".

Athel likes monotonous, unchanging 'music'.
Any wonder why Usher, Justin Timberlake etc etc get so many awards?

This whole discussion is ridiculous. Most of you people seem to care more about politics in music rather than the music itself. I thought Metallica's first FOUR albums were masterpieces and the rest were not nearly as good. It should not be about them selling out or crap like that. The discussion should be, "is the music good?" the answer to that, as far as the black album and on, is no. The songs were hastily written with no originality. The ballads were boring. The lyrics to all of the songs were pretty stupid and did not talk about anything worthwhile. That is why I do not like the later albums. However, a lot of people that have been raised on radio rock would enjoy the new music, and that's okay. I don't think this should be about being hardcore or a sell-out or anything like that. It should be about musical taste, or lack thereof. Anyone that complains about the politics involved is obviously just as much of a conformist as the rest of you, except they are trying to fit in with the "rebels". Pretty much anyone that says Metallica sold out is indeed a sell-out themselves. So why dont you stop preaching politics to each other and have a discussion about what started all this: music?

This whole discussion is ridiculous. Most of you people seem to care more about politics in music rather than the music itself. I thought Metallica's first FOUR albums were masterpieces and the rest were not nearly as good. It should not be about them selling out or crap like that. The discussion should be, "is the music good?" the answer to that, as far as the black album and on, is no.

And the question, "Why this change?"

And the answer, "They sold out."

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in my opinion, i feel that the Loads are james' version of COC

Have you heard "Six Songs with Mike Singing"?

COC was a large influence on the first Metallica album.

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