I want to put this question to the men of this forum, and also the women who have a valid point to make! I dont want to this to tunr into a battle of the sexes!

Right here goes......why is it so DAMN difficult to get men to see a doctor? I mean serioulsy now right, they always have "other things" to do, if you found a lump in your testies wouldn't YOU go and see a doctor, or would you have "other things" to do?

women dont need sick men...nor do they want men with empty pockets...

.....if you found a lump in your testies...
I found an extra 'i' in there too....

I haven't done a medical workup since 2nd grade in school. Duno, I feel fine, don't think there is a need.

the other lump must be somewhere up there but would come back to normalcy soon, why see doctor?

because sociaty puts a different level of expectations on men v women. Men are expected not to be "weak" ect and so they feel they cant ask for help (emotionally or physically) either from there partner or a proffessional

I have made other threads on the same topic because it baffles me to LA.

Mens health is an issue that im very interested in and the fact that womens health is always a greater issue than mens health infuriates me. Look at mortality and morbidity statistics on prostate cancer compared to breast cancer

Going to the doctor is very long and boring.

the other lump must be somewhere up there but would come back to normalcy soon, why see doctor
Becuase what underpaid, overfed, undersexed male would risk the chance of hearing that tiny lump is actually his scrotum?

On topic:
Father's been to the doctor only once, uncles, cousins once as well.
Reason?
Cough test.
The male is strangely defensive of his groin.

must be happy to hear still it is there.

The male is strangely defensive of his groin.

and you would be too if you were a male.

Ass:
because sociaty puts a different level of expectations on men v women. Men are expected not to be "weak" ect and so they feel they cant ask for help (emotionally or physically) either from there partner or a proffessional
OOOHhh, society.
Society gives him facial hair as well, I suppose.

Between both, it is she who is likelier to know every crevice in her body down to her first wrinkle; she'd notice a lump the size of your girlfriend's ..never mind.
*funeral grin*
(you guys stilll together? Mated?)

Further, a man is likelier to be working when clinics are open and not when closed; women overwhelmingly stay home during the day compared to the male. Under pressure of being the sole source of income in most cases, a man would need a lump the size of his ego to notice it.

maybe in the US, however doctors are open till midnight now so that excuse doesnt really work or on the weekend. Men are terrifide of apearing weak to the point that they wont call an ambulance if they are having a heart atack. You have no idea how much that pisses ambos off because they can do ALOT more if people call for an ambulance as soon as they get chest pain rather than when there heart STOPS.

maybe in the US, however doctors are open till midnight now so that excuse doesnt really work or on the weekend
Are those clinics or emergency rooms?

If the latter, you'd rush to the ER for an embarassing boo boo on your choo choo?
. Men are terrifide of apearing weak to the point that they wont call an ambulance if they are having a heart atack.
We're all "terrifide".
Had a root canal 'bout a month ago and Mr. Dentist thought I was cold; took a whole day for me to stop, literally, trembling.


I think you males fear another male's presence anywhere near that grotesque that is the male genitalia than you do actual pain.
That you're a neurotic, territorial churl is what keeps you from the doctor- behold even the arrogance of calling them "Jewels"

I do go to the quack( sorry it's the term I've always used) but only when I think there's a chance he ( my doc IS a he) can actually help.

Very recently I went to get a lump in my nads examined.
Turned out to be a minor cyst. I was a little alarmed when he calmy quipped that it wouldn't take long to whip it off ( he didn't clarify if he meant the cyst or the nutty)


So I guess the jewels live to fuck another day!

I do go to the quack( sorry it's the term I've always used) but only when I think there's a chance he ( my doc IS a he) can actually help.

Very recently I went to get a lump in my nads examined.
Turned out to be a minor cyst. I was a little alarmed when he calmy quipped that it wouldn't take long to whip it off ( he didn't clarify if he meant the cyst or the nutty)


So I guess the jewels live to fuck another day!

good!

good!

Hmmm?

Nah! Don't go there Spud.

Between both, it is she who is likelier to know every crevice in her body down to her first wrinkle;

one of the reasons why she spends more time before mirror. for every wrinkle she expects 10 wrinkles on him. if not satisfied she finds some lump on his pump.

If I need to visit the doctor I will..
Your poll is missing an option.

Generally because men are scared of appearing weak in front of their wives.

i would have to agree with the week in front of their wives bit.
My husband won't even go and get his new health card, can't afford the time off work ya know.
But the kids have the slightest cough and hes all over me to take them. In the almost 10 yrs we have been together, he went once, after his father died of cancer for a check up.

All men are scared (except hypochondriacs) and that fear is hidden behind the short answers: "I'm busy", "Will go tomorrow", "BRB", "Oh, look Tevez scored!", etc.

Men have fear that the lump will reveal something worse than benign cyst or Epididymitis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epididymitis) or Varicocele (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varicocele), which are the most common results.

However, lump in the 'bag' should be examined immediately.

That would be just dumb, if it really is something worse there's even more reason to go see a doctor.
I think most men think it'll go away by itself (including me), and most of the time it does. However, if it doesn't go away or gets worse I'll see a doctor without hesitation.

That or say "I was just on my way" in the ER.

That would be just dumb, if it really is something worse there's even more reason to go see a doctor.
Well, if it's the later stage that means complete removal of testicles, i.e. loss of masculinity.
That's where the fear is seeded.

However, most men are not aware that testicular cancer is very progressive, but has high percentage of successful treatment results if discovered in earlier stage.

So, every lump has to be checked right after being spotted.

I think most men think it'll go away by itself (including me), and most of the time it does. However, if it doesn't go away or gets worse I'll see a doctor without hesitation.
I'm thinking exactly the same.

However, lump in the 'bag' should be examined immediately.
Wouldn't you girfriend/wife notice you if something was wrong?

Well, if it's the later stage that means complete removal of testicles, i.e. loss of masculinity.
That's where the fear is seeded.

However, most men are not aware that testicular cancer is very progressive, but has high percentage of successful treatment results if discovered in earlier stage.

So, every lump has to be checked right after being spotted.


I'm thinking exactly the same.

Ok fair enough :p
I just think people (men too) can make a fair assessment about whether they need to see a doctor or not.
Of course there are some that are afraid and will irrationally decide not to see a doctor. The OP however suggests that men in general are irrational in their decision not to see doctor.

if you found a lump in your testies wouldn't YOU go and see a doctor

I'd think I'd found my penis! :D

Actually I go all of the time to different types of doctors. They are the only thing that keeps me alive. I see neurosurgeons, gastrointestinologists, optometrists, cardiopulmonary specialists, urologists, pain control doctors, psychologists, psychiatrists, family doctor and others as well. I'm putting their kids through college! :)

I want to put this question to the men of this forum, and also the women who have a valid point to make! I dont want to this to tunr into a battle of the sexes!

Right here goes......why is it so DAMN difficult to get men to see a doctor? I mean serioulsy now right, they always have "other things" to do, if you found a lump in your testies wouldn't YOU go and see a doctor, or would you have "other things" to do?

1) Need for Control.
2) Overemphasis on the visual: if you can't see it it doesn't exist. If you can see it it does. Hence men's greater interest in porn than women, for example.

If men stopped putting off going to the doctor and dealt more with their feelings, they would have less interest in porn.

They would also be moaning a lot and whimpering. Being sissies, in their own minds, and, horrors, looking like sissies.

(me man, by the way)

Ok fair enough :p
I just think people (men too) can make a fair assessment about whether they need to see a doctor or not.
Of course there are some that are afraid and will irrationally decide not to see a doctor. The OP however suggests that men in general are irrational in their decision not to see doctor.
I guess it depends what part of the body is involved:

Conjunctivitis - Oh it's because of hay fever, I'll put some Dex in.

Throat infection - I'll kill it with some Tylenol.

Feet distorsion (basketball induced) - I'll put some ice on.

Mild arrhythmia - It's because of stress. It'll go away. Maybe I should see my doc, to make an appointment. When? Hm... Next week I'm going on camping... In two weeks I have that barbecue... Next month, I thought to finally fix that roof on the garage... Well, I think it's nothing serious indeed.

Lump in the 'sack' - Oh my God!!! I need to see my doc. Noooo!!! *Reaction accompanied with cold sweat, weakness, nausea, etc.*

I guess it depends what part of the body is involved:

Conjunctivitis - Oh it's because of hay fever, I'll put some Dex in.

Throat infection - I'll kill it with some Tylenol.

Feet distorsion (basketball induced) - I'll put some ice on.

Mild arrhythmia - It's because of stress. It'll go away. Maybe I should see my doc, to make an appointment. When? Hm... Next week I'm going on camping... In two weeks I have that barbecue... Next month, I thought to finally fix that roof on the garage... Well, I think it's nothing serious indeed.

Lump in the 'sack' - Oh my God!!! I need to see my doc. Noooo!!! *Reaction accompanied with cold sweat, weakness, nausea, etc.*

You have a point there, but I'm having difficulties believing that goes for all men.
I don't take all that chemical junk, unless prescribed. If something remains unexplained and uncomfortable for a couple of days I start thinking about seeing a doctor. I don't numb my senses with medicine.
Maybe I've been lucky so far though..

You have a point there, but I'm having difficulties believing that goes for all men.

Not for all, only for those who voted 'scared'. :p

BTW, I had 2 stints put in my heart artreries last year which saved my life as well as endoscopic surgery that stoped my bleeding ulcers. I always get regular check ups and I highly advise men as well as women to do so.

Not for all, only for those who voted 'scared'. :p

lol :D

Are those clinics or emergency rooms?

If the latter, you'd rush to the ER for an embarassing boo boo on your choo choo?

We're all "terrifide".
Had a root canal 'bout a month ago and Mr. Dentist thought I was cold; took a whole day for me to stop, literally, trembling.


I think you males fear another male's presence anywhere near that grotesque that is the male genitalia than you do actual pain.
That you're a neurotic, territorial churl is what keeps you from the doctor- behold even the arrogance of calling them "Jewels"


Er no, its a GP clinic. However when i had chest pain the hospital was EXACTLY where i went. I am lectured every day to treat ALL chest pain as cardiac until proven otherwise so i went to the hospital (didnt call an ambulance but i did go straight there). It turned out to be a huge panic atack but thats nither here nor there. It frustrates me when we turn up at an unresponcive pt only to find out he has been experiancing chest pain for the last few weeks and thought "oh its only intergestion". The cematrys are FULL of men who died of intergestion when simple clot busting medication will fix it in the early stages

Plazma, what about if its not a lump on your testicals? what if it was a pain in your chest? what would you do then?

I agree 100% with the person who said it was fear of apearing weak. Except i wouldnt just say its in front of your wife. I belive its Durkimes theory of self survelance at work, ie sociaty expects men to "be strong" and "suck it up" and so the first time medical help is sort is when the guy is found hanging from the celling or when the chest pain becomes VF and by then its too late

I want to put this question to the men of this forum, and also the women who have a valid point to make! I dont want to this to tunr into a battle of the sexes!

Right here goes......why is it so DAMN difficult to get men to see a doctor? I mean serioulsy now right, they always have "other things" to do, if you found a lump in your testies wouldn't YOU go and see a doctor, or would you have "other things" to do?

It's obvious. Listen to our words.

We have other things to do.

There's no code there. We're busy.

I'd rather die than find a lump on my lumps, thanks. Although I reckon the pain of bollock cancer is probably overestimated. A couple of aspirin would probably do the trick. Mummy told me that it's BAD to cry.

redarmy11 i hope your being sarcastic. I lost my grandfather to prostate cancer which infected his liver and his bones (actually they dont know what the primary was and what were secondaries but anyway) and i hope you never have to go through that pain. I want to die by heart atack or by a lethal injection i (or my doctor) admisters if i ever have terminal cancer.

Bit extreme. I reckon I'll just take a couple of aspirin.

:)Real men walk to their death smiling.:)

No one really wants to see a doctor, but women are more used to it, due to having to see gynecologists for their complicated parts.

I don't have a problem seeing a doctor, but I treat them as mechanics. Some are good, some are bad, and the best is if you already KNOW what your problem is, so they don't have the chance of misstreating you.

Currently I have lower backpain again, and although my friends asked me why I am not going to the doctor, here is my reasoning:

1. I already know what my problem is. Sciatica.
2. I already know what kind of treatments are aviable. Don't feel like doing surgery, will try alternative, and I don't need a doctor for that.
3. I don't need painkillers because the over the counter ones work.

So why should I go to the doctor? I wouldn't get any extra benefit, advice or advantage, so let's not waste the doctor's time! :)

P.S.: Previous experiences with doctors and emergency rooms didn't really help either...

I don't have a problem seeing the doctor if it's something I really think needs looking at. If it's like a weird skin rash or strange inflammation, I will just wait it out for a few days as those things tend to take care of themselves. It just doesn't make sense to take time out of my productive life to get every little freakin' thing checked out. So it's mostly because a. ) I'm busy and b.) because it's retarded to get every little tiny thing checked out. It's a waste of time and money.

My husband doesn't mind going so much as he hates making the appointment. he just doesn't like talking on the phone much. I had to call this morning to make him a dentist call. I don't know what sense it makes for me to call, why not cut out the middle man and call your own damn self.

Oh, almost forgot to tell you than many of my doctors are women! ;):)

smart man. I think women are better doctors because they listen differently.

smart man. I think women are better doctors because they listen differently.

I think men make better doctors because men's brains are 10% larger than women's.

I think men make better doctors because men's brains are 10% larger than women's.

no, that additional 'brain' size is what makes them better at fucking.

no, that additional 'brain' size is what makes them better at fucking.

How do you know that they are better at fucking ?

no, that additional 'brain' size is what makes them better at fucking.

I don't know about the actual act of fucking, but it certainly helps get us in that situation. Why did you quote the word brain? Usually people put quotes around words like if someone says:

person a: You're the most intelligent person I know.
person b: Yeah right. My "intelligence" just got me fired.

I've been noticing you old broads use quotes in weird and incorrect ways.

my husband thinks that every little ache he gets is a tumor and goes get examined

his doctor laughs at him and calls him hypochondriac

he got us both insured for cancer, accidents, chronic diseases etc etc

Does he pronounce his S's like true S's?

Why doesn't your poll have an answer for men who don't agree with you? It's biased. I see my doctor several times a year. My wife keeps calling me a sissy because I go more often than she does. I've been doing this since my twenties, long before I met her. I've always had good insurance so it doesn't cost much, I've always had good sick leave so it didn't cost me anything, and I've always been a professional so taking a few hours off on one day didn't keep me from getting my work done. I get a physical exam every year or two and I go in every few months to get my myriad prescriptions for pills and inhalers refilled.

I also get a colonoscopy every five years and anyone who doesn't is a fool. Colorectal cancer is a big killer but it's very slow growing. If you get it examined every five years they'll find a few little polyps and remove them by laser without bothering to check if any of them were precancerous. It's painless and that way you'll never have one turn cancerous. So you'll never have that feeling of "I don't want to go see the doctor because she might tell me I have cancer and I can't deal with that."

There's a reason my generation (1943) is going to live longer than the younger people. We take better care of ourselves! I look and feel like my father did when he was fifteen years younger than this, and I can't believe the number of people I know in their 40s who are seriously decrepit.

Plazma, what about if its not a lump on your testicals? what if it was a pain in your chest? what would you do then?

Well, lump has been set as an example in OP.

In case of lump, I would probably wait several days before I make an appointment (hoping that the lump is just a bean I didn't chew properly).

But, pain in the chest is an emergency. When comes to that, immediate visit to the doc is the only solution.

I think it might have something to do with how men and women see conditions. Women tend to see medical conditions much more serious than men do. Others will not go to the dorctors simply because they are too man enough...

I think its because men have an invincible mentality, a mentality derived from earlier childhood injuries. Throughout high school most men, especially the active ones, injure themselves physicaly here and there, they never saw a doctor half the time and their wounds healed over dear time. Most men carry the mentality unto their adulthood. But the biggest reason why men don't see a doctor is actually the bill. Men hate medical bills. Ladies will spend time and money at themselves, men will sit down for weeks until the tumor is actually the size of a small dog before calling the doctor.

I only go to the Doctor for serious stuff.

If I have a cold, or flu (I've only ever had flu once, and don't get colds often) I know it will blow over.

I've been to see my doctor for;

Broken arm, broken leg, displaced vertebra, dislocated knee, chicken pox, and german measles. Not bad in 40 years.

Broken fingers/ribs, dislocated jaw and other minor stuff I let be, knowing it will get better, so there's no point bothering a doctor. 'Pain is weakness leaving the body' etc.

I want to put this question to the men of this forum, and also the women who have a valid point to make! I dont want to this to tunr into a battle of the sexes!

Right here goes......why is it so DAMN difficult to get men to see a doctor? I mean serioulsy now right, they always have "other things" to do, if you found a lump in your testies wouldn't YOU go and see a doctor, or would you have "other things" to do?

That's an easy one. We get pleasure from solving problems (it's a positive reinforcer genetically existing in all men). There is no pleasure in addressing something that isn't a problem.

That's why when women talk about their problems as a means of venting, men often try to solve those problems instead of listening.

Anyhow, if you want your man to see a doctor then challenge him to figure out what that lump in his scrotum is (or whatever symptom you noticed). If he gets a good diagnosis with or without the help of a doctor then give him a big reward for his awesome intelligence. Then challenge him to "fix the problem".

A good way to challenge men is to say "I bet you can't do that".

Fraggle:
There's a reason my generation (1943) is going to live longer than the younger people. We take better care of ourselves!
Oh, grow up
To read this from the cultural dregs of a society where Marsha Brady received medical care for a pimple- now that pisses me off.

You were the first generation to be raised with a television in the home- you know, where Father Knew Best and then left it to Beaver to scrape his knee and end up in the emergency room. See, Ward Cleaver was never conditioned to fear the medical bill more than the treatment as we are; he drove an all-American Ford, his white collars were as starchy as the fresh pancakes neatly stacked on his plate every morning, and his income could actually cover the inanity of seeking emergency care for a scraped knee. His job stood on good American legs and it offered- gasp- health insurance!

Ward Cleaver, like Mike Brady and just as likely your parents, could literally afford stupid children where my generation cannot.

And of course, sheep growing up camouflaged from the world then becoming a hippie to atone for it, who wouldn't end up a 65 year old overeducated Pontiff presuming the world shares the same privileges he does?

Something like 50 million Americans have no health insurance and an HMO is that "progressive" health care reform that would pay for the scalpel and only so long as the surgeon is left handed.

The nerve, you, presuming you've cornered the market on hygiene.

Know what I've had to do, sir? I've had to choose which of my molars to save.

I want you to read it again: I am being forced to choose which one of my teeth, that are crucial to my health and welfare, to keep in my skull because one single root canal is upwards of $1,000 per tooth and I simply cannot afford more than one.

I've no insurance and little to no income in this new, social epic where Guntanamo detainees receive free medical care and 9/11 firefighters, police officers, even volunteers do not.

Warm, isn't it, imagining you care for yourself more than I do, that your colon means more to you than mine does to me.

Yours is the age that spawned the elite we found burning bras with the blacks and the feminist, all rebel with no cause, yet look at him rushing to a specialist for a hair bump. He's got hands as soft as Gerber because those college educated, middle classed values have taught him that fighting for the man who cleans toilets is a moral imperative but actually washing a toilet for a fucking living is below him.

The closet misanthrope of the social experiments and free love movements- it wasn't the government you so desperately sought to denounce but your background of Suburbs and lawns and Kool Aid and television and overpaid doctors that sheltered you from the tiniest inkling of pain.

Read:
The impact of the boomer generation’s aging on the health care system has been referred to as an age quake because medically, it is the equivalent of a massive earthquake. The demands on the system are enormous and growing,” ....

“When my grandparents reached old age, health care was something that people avoided, but boomers seek it out,” Green says. “They expect to be healthy, stay healthy and be fixed when they aren’t healthy.
“Boomers are making more doctor visits and using a lot more prescription medications. Many of these medications are new and quite expensive, and the number of lab tests that have to be done to monitor all this is enormous.”

Source (”http://seniorjournal.com/NEWS/Boomers/5-07-28BoomersCrowdHealthcare.htm”)
With all due respect, thanks alot grampa.

Further- Social security is about to dry up in about 40 years or so; yet another foundation that my generation can no longer depend on and why?

Because you're that selfish little squeak we call a 'Baby Boomer' that's becomes the largest consumer of health care.

Comedy, that. You've taken the mess that is health care and confused it with you taking better care of yourself than I do because I "don't care” when I'm crying at the gas pump when a gallon has gone up 10 cents in one hour.

Plazma:

So, every lump has to be checked right after being spotted
Give me the money and I will.

All men are scared (except hypochondriacs
Not except- 'especially'.

Hhypochondria: sometimes referred to as health phobia, refers to an excessive preoccupation or worry about having a serious illness

Asguard:
Er no, its a GP clinic. However when i had chest pain the hospital was EXACTLY where i went. I am lectured every day to treat ALL chest pain as cardiac until proven otherwise so i went to the hospital (didnt call an ambulance but i did go straight there). It turned out to be a huge panic atack but thats nither here nor there. It frustrates me when we turn up at an unresponcive pt only to find out he has been experiancing chest pain for the last few weeks and thought "oh its only intergestion". The cematrys are FULL of men who died of intergestion when simple clot busting medication will fix it in the early stages
I swear, reading you is "Flowers for Algernon".

Right here goes......why is it so DAMN difficult to get men to see a doctor? I mean serioulsy now right, they always have "other things" to do, if you found a lump in your testies wouldn't YOU go and see a doctor, or would you have "other things" to do?
I dont trust doctors,and unless something hurts real bad I avoid them.
I go by the rule:if it aint broke why fix it!:D

Well, that's just it. How much can you trust a guy who inserts his finger in your ass without taking you out dining first???

I want to put this question to the men of this forum, and also the women who have a valid point to make! I dont want to this to tunr into a battle of the sexes!

Right here goes......why is it so DAMN difficult to get men to see a doctor? I mean serioulsy now right, they always have "other things" to do, if you found a lump in your testies wouldn't YOU go and see a doctor, or would you have "other things" to do?

I don't like going to the doctor because unless it's something that needs to go for, there's no reason to go. I'll have to be very verry sick to even think about going. But on the flip side, on your second paragraph there, if I notice something going funky the with boys downstairs, you better believe I'll get that checked out.

Because you're that selfish little squeak we call a 'Baby Boomer' that's becomes the largest consumer of health care.I'm too old to be a Boomer but most of your criticisms are valid.

i wonder if we were talking about leaking pipes how many people would accept it "until it burst" without calling a plumber

My mum had brest cancer recently. She found that lump that scares everyone so badly and actually refused to tell anyone untill the oncologist had confermed what she expected (she had sists in her breasts when she was younger and this felt different she said). She was lucky the cancer hadnt spreed because they got it early but something her surgen told her stuck in my mind. He told her to treat him like a tradesmen, ie if she had any concerns to call him and haras him untill those fears were laid to rest. Now she is the sort of person who not only HAS a lot of medical knowlage anyway (her degree majored in genetics and imunology, my fathers in bio science and she has two children studying to get into the medical field) but she is also the sort of person who WILL stand toe to toe with a doctor and tell them to do there job properly. My grandmother on the other hand will do exactly what the DOCTOR tells her because "they know best" (even when the rest of us tell her the doctor is wrong)

THAT is the difference between the baby boomers and there parents and it relates to education so all the generations that come after them are the same. Goverments may lement cheep health care in the sence of negligent health care but thats to bad. The main reason health care expenditure will rise isnt because the baby boomers will get there lumps checked, its because they are a big bubble in population. They are the children of the war and when war is on fetility rates rise. So there are more of them than there parents generation and with falling fertility rates in the baby boomers themselves and in further generations there are less of US to surport them. So yes health care IS becoming a greater percentage of the budget but dont blame the baby boomers who dod the right thing and seek the care they need for this

Fraggle:
Thank you.

That really irked.


Asguard:
There is a point in there somehwere, I'm sure of it.

Here's a question for you:

Progris Riport 1 mar 3:

Dr Strauss says I shoud rite down what I think and remembir and evrey thing that happins to me from now on. I dont no why but he says its importint so they will see if they can use me. I hope they use me becaus Miss Kinnian says mabye they can make me smart. I want to be smart. My name is Charlie Gordon I werk in Donners bakery where Mr Donner gives me 11 dollers a week and bred or cake if I want. I am 32 yeres old and next munth is my brithday. I tolld dr Strauss and perfesser Nemur I cant rite good but he says it dont matter he says I shud rite just like I talk and like I rite compushishens in Miss Kinnians class at the beekmin collidge center for retarted adults where I go to lern 3 times a week on my time off. Dr. Strauss says to rite a lot evrything I think and evrything that happins to me but I cant think anymor because I have nothing to rite so I will close for today...yrs truly Charlie Gordon.
Look familiar?