Hello,

Just a thought;

Memory
Physiology
Overall, the mechanisms of memory are not well understood. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory


Overall, the mechanisms of memory in homeopathic remedies of raw remedy substances or their workings are not well understood.

Both memory in humans and in homeopathic remedies is observed and experianced but not well understood.

As such, why people cry for homeopathic remedies but not for brain?

Should we not wait till all aspects about memory is known in science to come to any conclusion?

Best wishes.

Hello,

Just a thought;




Overall, the mechanisms of memory in homeopathic remedies of raw remedy substances or their workings are not well understood.

Both memory in humans and in homeopathic remedies is observed and experianced but not well understood.

As such, why people cry for homeopathic remedies but not for brain?

Should we not wait till all aspects about memory is known in science to come to any conclusion?

Best wishes.

I dont understand, are you saying homeopathic remedies have memory in the human sense(memory of experiences) , or in the terms of being able to return to a previous state(like 'memory metals')?

Homeopathic remedies in higher potencies are said to have memory/information of active substance eventhough no molecule remain present in final remedy of that active substance. Say for example, NaCl and lactose(can be water or alcohol also called "carriers") mixed in 1:10 or100 proportion and triturated (shaked also) for two hours. Next 1 part of product is again mixed with 10 or 100 part of lactose and triturating or shaking is repeated(called potentization). After certain such repetitions, technically, all molecules of NaCl are diluted out, but still remedies are said to carry memory/information of NaCl and effective as per NaCl related symptoms.

I think, in brain also chemical reactions and chemical changes don't occur for storing informations--memory. I therefore just thought that as such, how informations can be stored?

Homeopathic remedies in higher potencies are said to have memory/information of active substance eventhough no molecule remain present in final remedy of that active substance. Say for example, NaCl and lactose(can be water or alcohol also called "carriers") mixed in 1:10 or100 proportion and triturated (shaked also) for two hours. Next 1 part of product is again mixed with 10 or 100 part of lactose and triturating or shaking is repeated(called potentization). After certain such repetitions, technically, all molecules of NaCl are diluted out, but still remedies are said to carry memory/information of NaCl and effective as per NaCl related symptoms.
Yes I know, but no mechanism for a memory in the h2o molecule has been found, or is likely to be. Homeopothy is pure placebo if you ask me.


I think, in brain also chemical reactions and chemical changes don't occur for storing informations--memory. I therefore just thought that as such, how informations can be stored?

Yes but isnt memory stored by creating new neural connections?

Yes I know, but no mechanism for a memory in the h2o molecule has been found, or is likely to be. Homeopothy is pure placebo if you ask me.



Yes but isnt memory stored by creating new neural connections?

It is thought: "Learning and memory are attributed to changes in neuronal synapses, thought to be mediated by long-term potentiation and long-term depression."http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory

As such, can storing of homeopathic informations be possible by specific changes in inter/intra molecular structure/forces of carriers substances(lactose, alcohol or water) caused due to potentization process?

As such, can storing of homeopathic informations be possible by specific changes in inter/intra molecular structure/forces of carriers substances(lactose, alcohol or water) caused due to potentization process?
No. Sorry to bust your bubble, but it's on the same level as sacrificing chickens to pagan gods, or praying to Jesus to cure your cancer.

Sometimes when people do those things, the cancer gets cured. But the cancer gets cured just as often for people who don't.

Kumar:

Overall, the mechanisms of memory in homeopathic remedies of raw remedy substances or their workings are not well understood.

There don't seem to be any, in fact. So, there's nothing to understand.

Both memory in humans and in homeopathic remedies is observed and experianced but not well understood.

It is not observed in homeopathic dilutions.

Homeopathic remedies in higher potencies are said to have memory/information of active substance eventhough no molecule remain present in final remedy of that active substance. Say for example, NaCl and lactose(can be water or alcohol also called "carriers") mixed in 1:10 or100 proportion and triturated (shaked also) for two hours. Next 1 part of product is again mixed with 10 or 100 part of lactose and triturating or shaking is repeated(called potentization). After certain such repetitions, technically, all molecules of NaCl are diluted out, but still remedies are said to carry memory/information of NaCl and effective as per NaCl related symptoms.

Said by who? Homeopaths. And that's about it. There are no verified effects from any of the claimed "memory" effects.

Homeopathy has failed every rigorous double-blind test it has ever been put to. It's pure bunk.

Homeopathy has failed every rigorous double-blind test it has ever been put to. It's pure bunk.

But it works in non-blind trials.
Does that mean it doesn't work?

But it works in non-blind trials.
Does that mean it doesn't work?

Well, it might not work in those trials either... it might appear to work, but that doesn't mean much.

The fact that it doesn't appear to work in double-blind trials means that it there is a strong probability that it doesn't work at all.

Homeopathy, still is a well experianced and observed existing system in mass and well distributed public with persistancy and claimed least advesities. Science is not yet final/complete and absoloute and many understandings are not persistent--changes occasionally. In such consideration, any new understanding is possible. So we can continue trying for science, for humanity and for health.

Its effects may not be as strong as of concentrated chemicals so observed as inconsitent(not observed as nil in every study).

If mechanism/science of memory and of many other things couldn't yet be known fully/perfectly or finally, it doesn't mean that we are not hoping/accepting those.

Pls tell me, how this can be somewhat similar;

Memory stored by creating new neural connections.
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Homeopathic informations are stored by creating new molecular connections in carriers by potentization.

Learning and memory are attributed to changes in neuronal synapses, thought to be mediated by long-term potentiation and long-term depression. Other scientists who have investigated the nature of memory, namely neurologists John Carew Eccles and Wilder Penfield and biologist Rupert Sheldrake, have suggested that memories are a field phenomenon and are not stored in the brain at all, but rather accessed through neurological structures. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory

Whether above indicates just structural changes but not chemical changes. Inter/intra molecular shape and forces may change on application of energy on it..somewhat in solution or in powder than from its crystal.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/11/RetinalCisandTrans.png/400px-
Retinal molecule - straightens in response to a photon γ (light), of the correct wavelength.

To add to previous post;

Why we can't consider carriers somewhat acting alike brain and information is stored in it changed structure by potentization process? Different form of a substance..emmited/reflected energies/spectrums, gas, solution, powder, crystal etc. can possess different properties inspite same molecules.

Just a simple question;

If we triturate and potentize NaCl with lactose in homeopathic way, will final product/powder after 24X be somewhat different in shape, size or in structure from when only lactose is triturated upto that potency? If it is different, we than consider that specific information is stored in carriers structure.