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Wisdom_Seeker 06-05-07, 11:01 AM The Vigyan Bhairav Tantra is a scripture attributed to Shiva, that is 5000 years old, unchanged.
Allegedly, the practice of any of the 112 methods in the Vigyan Bhairav Tantra during a period of time, like 3 moths or so, is enough for awakening and awareness...
When in worldly activities, keep attention between two breaths,
and so practicing, in a few days be born anew. - Meditation practice #6
When a mood against someone or for someone arises,
Do not place it on the person in question,
But remain centered. - Meditation practice #24
What do you think of those 2 meditation techniques?
For more:
http://www.escapefromwatchtower.com/vigyan.html
The Vigyan Bhairav Tantra is a scripture attributed to Shiva, that is 5000 years old, unchanged.
Allegedly, the practice of any of the 112 methods in the Vigyan Bhairav Tantra during a period of time, like 3 moths or so, is enough for awakening and awareness...
What do you think of those 2 meditation techniques?
For more:
http://www.escapefromwatchtower.com/vigyan.html
...well emm to be truthful...this sounds like emm sex practice
Wisdom_Seeker 06-05-07, 11:28 AM ...well emm to be truthful...this sounds like emm sex practice
NO, from these 112 techniques, only like 3 are sexual. What is sexual about the 2 techniques I wrote down?
spidergoat 06-05-07, 11:58 AM So it takes a 5,000 year old text to tell you to pay attention and not hold any personal grudges? Sounds like common sense.
Wisdom_Seeker 06-05-07, 12:18 PM So it takes a 5,000 year old text to tell you to pay attention and not hold any personal grudges? Sounds like common sense.
Well, meditation and techniques are about getting in touch with your inner-self, so yes, your inner-self speaks common sense.
You say this like a common thing, although I have never met any one that doesnīt hold a grudge. So this common sense you talk about, is what is missing is society.
Like for example, people hit things when they are angry. But they donīt apologize to those things they hit, it is dumb to do so; it is wrong to show love to a THING, but it is not wrong to show hate towards it? Isnīt that common sense?
Or what about when someone calls you names? Isnīt your anger directed towards that person?
I have never met any one that doesnīt answer back, or that answers with loving kindness at this insults. Isnīt this common sense as well?
Grantywanty 06-06-07, 07:41 AM Like for example, people hit things when they are angry. But they donīt apologize to those things they hit, it is dumb to do so; it is wrong to show love to a THING, but it is not wrong to show hate towards it? Isnīt that common sense?
I see people every day who show love to 'THINGS'. The way the woman (no less) next door treats her car almost makes me jealous. Let alone my brother the carpenter with wood.
But hey, anger is natural, and while in the long run, I do think that anger directed at objects probably is about something else, often self-hatred. But simply adding guilt to this seems like adding a layer and not getting to the root of things. Instead of saying, basically, it's bad to get mad at things, I would encourage people to see if they can really get into that anger and find the roots, including other emotions that may come up. Judging emotions as bad is as silly as blaming a a brick for your stubbed toe. Emotions are as real as bricks.
Or what about when someone calls you names? Isnīt your anger directed towards that person?
I have never met any one that doesnīt answer back, or that answers with loving kindness at this insults. Isnīt this common sense as well?
Getting angry when mistreated is not the problem. Getting locked into permanent positions is. Again, emotions are treated by a lot of eastern philosophies (and new age stuff) as the problem. they won't admit that they have now created an odd dualism where what is outside must be accepted and loved but what is inside can be judged, suppressed, guilt tripped, denied and never dealt with.
My experience is that if one goes deeply into emotions, including expression of them, even the so-called negative ones there is life loving energy and life there just like with the 'positive' ones.
The hatred of certain emotions - that is rarely honestly presented as hatred - is a mistake we really need to get over.
Wisdom_Seeker 06-06-07, 09:24 AM I haven´t heard of anyone saying emotions by themselves are bad, emotions are natural. The thing is, getting angry at someone is normal, you starts spinning the idea of hating that person in your head. By personal experience, I can tell you, if when angry at someone, you close your eyes, and focus on the anger, not think about anything else than the feeling you are getting in your whole body, your heart beating strong, your hands warm, etc. Then the anger goes away by itself, it just vanishes. I´m not talking about suppresing your anger, I´m talking about letting the anger flow through your whole body, with no unnecesary actions but to focus on the feeling, it just goes away.
On the other hand, if you feel love, and close your eyes, and focus only in the feeling you are getting in your whole body, your body is filled with love, it increases by the second, you become the love, and it doesn´t goes away until you stop focusing on it.
So when focusing on the feeling, I have experienced that anger just vanishes, and the love increases; that is how I identify a good feeling or a bad feeling, your body knows better. Let your body decide, focus, meditate on the feeling.
That is what I call control of your emotions, you don´t need to supress anything, just accept it.
lightgigantic 06-08-07, 01:59 AM The Vigyan Bhairav Tantra is a scripture attributed to Shiva, that is 5000 years old, unchanged.
Allegedly, the practice of any of the 112 methods in the Vigyan Bhairav Tantra during a period of time, like 3 moths or so, is enough for awakening and awareness...
What do you think of those 2 meditation techniques?
For more:
http://www.escapefromwatchtower.com/vigyan.html
Lord Siva also says (from the lead up to the turmoil that resulted from daksa's sacrifice)
SB 4.3.18: One should not go to anyone's house, even on the consideration of his being a relative or a friend, when the man is disturbed in his mind and looks upon the guest with raised eyebrows and angry eyes.
SB 4.3.19: Lord Śiva continued: If one is hurt by the arrows of an enemy, one is not as aggrieved as when cut by the unkind words of a relative, for such grief continues to rend one's heart day and night.
and in further places
SB 11.23.2: Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa said: O disciple of Bṛhaspati, there is virtually no saintly man in this world capable of resettling his own mind after it has been disturbed by the insulting words of uncivilized men.
SB 11.23.3: Sharp arrows which pierce one's chest and reach the heart do not cause as much suffering as the arrows of harsh, insulting words that become lodged within the heart when spoken by uncivilized men.
hence in the BG, Krishna first of all instructed arjuna in the "focus your breath" yoga as an attempt to solve his dilemma, yet arjuna replied as follows
BG 6.32: He is a perfect yogī who, by comparison to his own self, sees the true equality of all beings, in both their happiness and their distress, O Arjuna!
BG 6.33: Arjuna said: O Madhusūdana, the system of yoga which You have summarized appears impractical and unendurable to me, for the mind is restless and unsteady.
BG 6.34: For the mind is restless, turbulent, obstinate and very strong, O Kṛṣṇa, and to subdue it, I think, is more difficult than controlling the wind.
which eventually culminates in krsna revealing a higher rung on the yoga ladder
BG 6.46: A yogī is greater than the ascetic, greater than the empiricist and greater than the fruitive worker. Therefore, O Arjuna, in all circumstances, be a yogī.
BG 6.47: And of all yogīs, the one with great faith who always abides in Me, thinks of Me within himself, and renders transcendental loving service to Me he is the most intimately united with Me in yoga and is the highest of all. That is My opinion.
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