My doctor said that it's possible I have Asperger's (but he did say that it is unlikely) I'm not 100% what it's about.

What do I make of this?

IMO Absane aspergers is a word denoted to describe a load of shit. You basically will get over it.

I might do some reasearch on it, and find that it is a real condition, however it is possible to over come it. I wouldn't be entirely sure what to consider of it.

My doctor said that it's possible I have Asperger's (but he did say that it is unlikely) I'm not 100% what it's about.

What do I make of this?

I'd say it's highly unlikely.

I happen to know a fair amount about and know a young man exactly your age (23) who has a mild case of it. I've read a number of your posts and you don't exhibit ANY of the very common symptoms. Three are some degree of anti-social behavior, inabillity to relate to others, and some form of OCD - numbers is very common one.

I'd say it's highly unlikely.

I happen to know a fair amount about and know a young man exactly your age (23) who has a mild case of it. I've read a number of your posts and you don't exhibit ANY of the very common symptoms. Three are some degree of anti-social behavior, inabillity to relate to others, and some form of OCD - numbers is very common one.

After 4 or 5 appointments with him, he brought it up by asking me why I rarely make eye contact. He wants me to do some research on it and see how it all relates to me. I've watched a few Youtube videos of those that have it. While I do exhibit some of the things that they tend to have in common, I don't see myself being like them. While it seems that they have trouble making friends even if they try, I don't even try to make friends because most people bore me.

I'm pretty sure I have a mild case of it too, as I carry many of the symptoms. I also know a few other people have who I'm pretty sure also have it: my dad and some kid from school who has actually been diagnosed by it. The kid at school I'm talking about very overtly has social problems. He talks very loudly and, I don't know a better word to use, but, geekily, and just generally acts very differently. My dad is less so. He doesn't like hanging out with non-family too much, unless it's concerning a topic of interest; for example, for him it's investment and finance. It's really more than just an interest: it's an obsession, which is very common among those with Asperger's. Out of the three of us, I would say I have it the least worst case of it.

What to make of it, huh... Well, you have the power of the Internet in front of you. Go to Wikipedia. Go to wrongplanet.net. (It's a messageboard for aspies (a name those with Aperger's Syndrome give themselves).) There's a ton of information out there.

There's an interesting theory out there explaining Aperger's Syndrome, and autism in general called ES Theory, which the ES means empathy/systemizing. The founder of the theory, Simon Baron Cohen says that, in general, women have empathizing brains and men have systemizing brains. Which means that women's brains are good for communicating and understanding and feeling other people and things. Men's brains are good for understanding and building systems. According to him, autistic brains are extremely male brains. They lack the ability to empathize and are extremely systemizing. I've read that recently that some IQ tests that measure and indicate abstract and fluid intelligence, such as Raven's Progressive Matrices, those with autistic tendencies tend to do very well on them.

I remember reading a while ago about the differences between the male and the female brain. One of the differences, obviously, is that the male brain (in humans, we're talking about) is much larger, by about 10%. Another important difference is that men's brains have about 6 times as much gray matter as women, where women have 8 times as much white matter. You might think of women's brains as being better connected than men's brains, but men's brains as having more horsepower. The men's brains have more processors (gray matter) and the women have more wires (white matter) connecting the different regions of the brain. Those with more connected brains are more intuitive and are often creative. This might be why they are better at picking up subtle social cues than those which are less connected. Their highly connected brains are able to quickly process and gather information from many different brain regions and give a quick and appropriate answer, where those whose brains are less connected may be stumble more and seem inappropriate. This seems to be what the case is for those with Asperger's Syndrome. Their brain regions are detached from one another, but have a lot of horsepower if properly used.

Some say if you want to find people with AS, all you need to do is visit an engineer department somewhere. They're rife with them. Same is true for computer nerds. Lots of them have very male minds. Silicon valley. They tend to be very smart and concrete thinkers, but have bad social skills. Remember Office Space? I forget the character's name, but he was justifying his existence at Initech to the consultants and he said something like "They [the customers] can't just talk to the engineers! They don't have any people skills!" meanwhile, he's sweating kittens going into an apoplectic rage at them.

It's not really a big deal. Some have it a lot, others don't have it badly, others hardly have it at all, and others probably have the exact opposite of autism: the extreme female mind (Theory of Relativity). :)

I'd say it's highly unlikely.

I happen to know a fair amount about and know a young man exactly your age (23) who has a mild case of it. I've read a number of your posts and you don't exhibit ANY of the very common symptoms. Three are some degree of anti-social behavior, inabillity to relate to others, and some form of OCD - numbers is very common one.

How much can you possibly know about a person by reading text they wrote some indeterminate number of miles away from you. One of the marks of those with autism is the inability to appropriately respond to social norms and subtle social cues and the ability to connect with others, talk fluidly, smile appropriately at the right time, laugh at the right time, don't make strange faces, etc. You can't glean any of that through the Internet. That's an important part of the disorder.

While it seems that they have trouble making friends even if they try, I don't even try to make friends because most people bore me.

Hahaha! You just described me, man.

IMO Absane aspergers is a word denoted to describe a load of shit. You basically will get over it.

I might do some reasearch on it, and find that it is a real condition, however it is possible to over come it. I wouldn't be entirely sure what to consider of it.

You are very, very wrong, Brent. It IS real, comes in varying degrees and in extreme cases is very limiting and debilitating. And NO - you do NOT "get over it"! (You really ought to do just a LITTLE checking before coming out with stuff like you do.)

Existabrent, you might want to try and know what you're talking about before you make a fool out of yourself. But I guess it's too late for that. :)

Actually, I would be surprised if a strong number of people on this forum are not on the spectrum.

Absane, why not try this quiz. See what you get.
http://www.rdos.net/eng/Aspie-quiz.php

How much can you possibly know about a person by reading text they wrote some indeterminate number of miles away from you. One of the marks of those with autism is the inability to appropriately respond to social norms and subtle social cues and the ability to connect with others, talk fluidly, smile appropriately at the right time, laugh at the right time, don't make strange faces, etc. You can't glean any of that through the Internet. That's an important part of the disorder.

I do understand what you're saying, but if the case is just a bit more than very mild there are a number of clues you will pick up on if you are alert and discerning. I've never met the young man in person that I was talking about earlier - I only know him through the Internet. But he gave several clues (not many friends, staying mostly at home, no interest in getting a job, a very unusual fascination with numbers and video games, home schooling because he was picked on at school - and a dozen other things).

After several months, I casually asked him if he felt different from most people. He said he did and it was due to his Asperger's. Suspicions confirmed. He acts like a kid of 14 or 15 and I treat him just that way - kindly, considerate, and with compassion. (Another dead giveaway was that he was (and still is, for that matter) forever asking questions about things that any half-way social person would already know.)

Please explain how I have made a fool of myself.
Read, I feel that the statement I made made at least one thing clear:
The fact that you do get over it. That it is not extremely debilitating and limiting. That it isn't much of a hassle. That it isn't a mental illness. So on and so forth- this line of thought.

Regardless I accept fully that it is a real condition and so forth, but I don't see the extreme side of the coin.

So go ahead, explain to us the whole spectrum so we can see how foolish I have made myself out to be.

or whatnot.
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Please explain how I have made a fool of myself.
Read, I feel that the statement I made made at least one thing clear:
The fact that you do get over it. That it is not extremely debilitating and limiting. That it isn't much of a hassle. That it isn't a mental illness. So on and so forth- this line of thought.

Regardless I accept fully that it is a real condition and so forth, but I don't see the extreme side of the coin.

So go ahead, explain to us the whole spectrum so we can see how foolish I have made myself out to be.

or whatnot.
advice has been checked thanks guys

Brent, sometimes you appear to be talking out of both sides of your mouth at the same time. :D

If you had even bothered to do the tiniest bit of checking BEFORE jumping out like that, you would have easily discovered how little you know about the topic.

You do NOT get over it or grow out of it - it's permanent. With special help and medications an individual can improve a little - very little - and it can never be cured by ANY means currently known.

In extreme cases, people not only will not leave their homes, they may not even leave their rooms. They will often refuse to bathe, will only eat just one or two foods and will suffer vitamin and mineral deficiencies because of it - which leads to another whole set of problems. They have also been known to hide their medication and dietary supplement pills rather than take them.

And those are just the tip of the iceberg of the "extreme side of the coin" that you didn't see.

My doctor said that it's possible I have Asperger's (but he did say that it is unlikely) I'm not 100% what it's about.

What do I make of this?

Aspergers is on the same spectrum as autism, I have it too, but don't feel bad; some scientists who did the autopsy on Einstein's brain said that he may have had it. :D

Yes indeed read.
You might say that I had no idea that it was that extreme.
What person educated about his/her condition would even consider to stay in their room/refuse to take their medication. I had thought it was simply some sort of thing similar to some extreme shyness like autism... i get the feeling for the most part that some of this stuff isn't as severe, but I was mistaken I guess.

Yes indeed read.
You might say that I had no idea that it was that extreme.
What person educated about his/her condition would even consider to stay in their room/refuse to take their medication. I had thought it was simply some sort of thing similar to some extreme shyness like autism... i get the feeling for the most part that some of this stuff isn't as severe, but I was mistaken I guess.

Thank you, Brent, it's very refreshing to see someone who will actually admit to making a mistake. That's an excellent attitude to have and it's something that's VERY rare in this place!!!

Nobody is perfect and we ALL make mistakes (some more than others), no matter what one might say about it.

Nobody is perfect and we ALL make mistakes (some more than others), no matter what one might say about it.

I agree. But I could still give you a list of at least a dozen here have never admitted to ONE single mistake (though as you say, everyone makes them) and most likely will never do so. They just try to skate around it or plain ignore it when they get caught.

IMO Absane aspergers is a word denoted to describe a load of shit. You basically will get over it.

I might do some reasearch on it, and find that it is a real condition, however it is possible to over come it. I wouldn't be entirely sure what to consider of it.

i wouay its unlikely but please dont just poo hoo the people who already have the condition, it is a real, very real condition in fact, all because you say it isnt doesnt make it so.

Is asperger the same with autism? I googling on it, it keeps linking me to autism.

How in the first place you consult doctor for it, Absane? Do you feel something
different with you and ask doctor to diagnose it? :confused:

To me you look just like normal :shrug:

After 4 or 5 appointments with him, he brought it up by asking me why I rarely make eye contact. He wants me to do some research on it and see how it all relates to me. I've watched a few Youtube videos of those that have it. While I do exhibit some of the things that they tend to have in common, I don't see myself being like them. While it seems that they have trouble making friends even if they try, I don't even try to make friends because most people bore me.

Absane, I'd be going to a different doc. for another opinion.
You don't make much eye contact, shit, you're probably not feeling very relaxed in that situation to start with and "watch a few youtubes"...Hmmm!
maybe you should ask him about his fetishest fantasies and why he's wearing flippers in his rooms.

Yeah, Spud is right, try second opinion, Absane. In Japan, if you make too
much eye contact, it is consider as impolite!

After 4 or 5 appointments with him, he brought it up by asking me why I rarely make eye contact.

Do you spend a lot of time at the computer?

That might affect the way you look at people. Spending a lot of time at the computer, I know I've changed in this regard - I became somewhat desensitized to the human face.

My doctor said that it's possible I have Asperger's (but he did say that it is unlikely) I'm not 100% what it's about.

What do I make of this?

Why do you care? Are you trying to address a problem or is it just objective curiosity?

draqon and darsidzz anyone??
from what I've read, both have difficulty with people face to face.

My doctor said that it's possible I have Asperger's (but he did say that it is unlikely) I'm not 100% what it's about.

What do I make of this?

Do you find that you suffer from excessive clumsiness? I mean like bump your head getting in and out of a car, not just occasionally but often. Trip over, be messy with food etc.

If not, then your doctors a 'quack', unfortunately in the GP profession there is an awful lot of them, even worse numbers in the Psychiatric field, of course this post isn't about identifying them.

I find that sometimes I don't look into peoples eyes when I talk, this is usually the case when in a place with background noise and I have to tilt my head so I can hear them.

Perhaps the other reason was you just didn't find the doctor attractive, I bet if that was a cute female doctor that was all blushes for you, you'd all too readily be checking her eyes out (and phone number too).

I can't say if you have any form of autism or not, I know that occasionally you've posted things based upon your knowledge of subjects, I don't know if your knowledge is more 'profound' in regards to being a savant than any other person in your chosen field.

I think the main problem is that you've had widespread areas of knowledge in Psychiatry that are now starting to become unravelled thanks to the internet revolution. Any kid that can google is now a Savant.

Perhaps the truth is you can use the internet and your Doctor can't or doesn't.

...If not, then your doctors a 'quack', unfortunately in the GP profession there is an awful lot of them, even worse numbers in the Psychiatric field, of course this post isn't about identifying them.....

Why would his doctor be a quack for just suggesting it? :shrug: Its wasn't a diagnosis, it was just a possibility. Since his doctor isn't with him 24/7 he just suggested it so maybe he could start watching his own behavior.

I don't understand how your thinking of clumisiness is any better than the doctor bringing lack of eye contact.

draqon and darsidzz anyone??
from what I've read, both have difficulty with people face to face.

I thought you said you'd put Draqon on ignore?

I thought you said you'd put Draqon on ignore?

I seriously doubt his posts have changed from before I put him on ignore.

Is asperger the same with autism? I googling on it, it keeps linking me to autism.

How in the first place you consult doctor for it, Absane? Do you feel something
different with you and ask doctor to diagnose it? :confused:

To me you look just like normal :shrug:

no autism is differant in a few ways,

http://www.nas.org.uk/nas/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=211


http://www.aspergerfoundation.org.uk/what_as.htm

I seriously doubt his posts have changed from before I put him on ignore.

Isn't ignoring someone with autism a waste of time?

Isn't ignoring someone with autism a waste of time?

he hasnt got autism though, aspergers

P.S.

My doctor said that it's possible I have Asperger's (but he did say that it is unlikely) I'm not 100% what it's about.

What do I make of this?

What do you make of this?

Try not to identify too much with a diagnosis.
If you identify with a diagnosis, you could make it become true - even if it was a false one to begin with.

Actually, I would be surprised if a strong number of people on this forum are not on the spectrum.

...

I also have Aspergers. I never got diagnosed, since it seems so obvious. One point is that Aspergers is by nature less severe than typical Autism, so it doesn't make sense to talk of a "mild case" of Aspergers. It is correct, however, to say it's a milder form of Autism.

Asperger's/ASD is certainly a real syndrome, but it seems also to be used as a label to silence anyone who's 'different.'

I don't see how it's used as a label to silence anyone.

I've seen lists of symptoms and other stuff on Asperger's/ASD, and there were things like '...An Asperger's child may not realize that when Aunt Mary asks you if her hair looks nice, she wants to hear 'Yes', not 'No, it looks dull.'

So basically if someone refuses to go along with ill-founded social norms they can be labelled as ASD.

Oh, I see. Some indicators of Asperger's are found in everyone, but not all of them. You need all or most of the symptoms in the DSM to be diagnosed. In the example, the child doesn't "refuse to go along", but rather is oblivious to the social norms. It takes the question literally, since it has not picked up the social cues we use to express the unspoken rule that we shouldn't tell people they look bad.

My doctor said that it's possible I have Asperger's (but he did say that it is unlikely) I'm not 100% what it's about.

What do I make of this?

Get an MRI. From looking at the description of Asperger Syndrome, it appears there are measurable brain structure differences.

After 4 or 5 appointments with him, he brought it up by asking me why I rarely make eye contact. While it seems that they have trouble making friends even if they try, I don't even try to make friends because most people bore me.


Absane ,

Go see a good specialist - don´t take your GP`s word for it ........
Lack of eye contact has numerous causes - from beeing shy, having social phobia or even just feeling timid in an embarrasing conversation with your GP ...... ;)

Why would his doctor be a quack for just suggesting it? :shrug: Its wasn't a diagnosis, it was just a possibility. Since his doctor isn't with him 24/7 he just suggested it so maybe he could start watching his own behavior.

I don't understand how your thinking of clumisiness is any better than the doctor bringing lack of eye contact.

You missed one of the main points:

I think the main problem is that you've had widespread areas of knowledge in Psychiatry that are now starting to become unravelled thanks to the internet revolution. Any kid that can google is now a Savant.

As for a doctor being a Quack, as far as I'm concerned they are all quacks, deal with it. ;)

You missed one of the main points:


As for a doctor being a Quack, as far as I'm concerned they are all quacks, deal with it. ;)

Really? LOL! And who would you go see when you need serious medical help - a monk in Tibet that claims he can use his mind (alone) to set a bit of paper on fire? :D

Absane ,

Go see a good specialist - don´t take your GP`s word for it ......

This isn't my GP... it's a psychiatrist that brought it up. All he did was suggest AS as a possibility. He wants me to educate myself about AS so we can discuss how it does or does not relate to me.

Really? LOL! And who would you go see when you need serious medical help - a monk in Tibet that claims he can use his mind (alone) to set a bit of paper on fire? :D

I would suffer the dire consequences of my ailment. I don't fall into the brand of mumbo jumbo that you might have me coined for, which is why I really do take Doctors to be Quacks. I'm sure there are some that have educated themselves to see a bit further than that textbook (Hippocratic scrolls) to gain answers about a persons ailment.

Although Doctors aren't suppose to prescribe Placebo's there are still a number that utilise that mentality to deal with people and sometimes with dire consequences themselves.

I would suffer the dire consequences of my ailment. I don't fall into the brand of mumbo jumbo that you might have me coined for, which is why I really do take Doctors to be Quacks. I'm sure there are some that have educated themselves to see a bit further than that textbook (Hippocratic scrolls) to gain answers about a persons ailment.

Although Doctors aren't suppose to prescribe Placebo's there are still a number that utilise that mentality to deal with people and sometimes with dire consequences themselves.

Fair enough. But we'll remember that in the event you get messed up rather badly in a vehicle accident, come down with pneumonia or one of several other critical illnesses. (Like AIDS, staph, meningitis, appendicitis, E. coli, etc., etc., etc.) What would you do in any of those events?

I'd say it's highly unlikely.

I happen to know a fair amount about and know a young man exactly your age (23) who has a mild case of it. I've read a number of your posts and you don't exhibit ANY of the very common symptoms. Three are some degree of anti-social behavior, inabillity to relate to others, and some form of OCD - numbers is very common one.

the symtoms are rough;y the same for anxiety. least thats what my doctor told me

Fair enough. But we'll remember that in the event you get messed up rather badly in a vehicle accident, come down with pneumonia or one of several other critical illnesses. (Like AIDS, staph, meningitis, appendicitis, E. coli, etc., etc., etc.) What would you do in any of those events?

The answer is I would do what we were born to do and are doing with every moment, Die I guess :)

Seriously when your times up, it's up. I admittedly don't like the idea of say getting an organ replaced by someone that was in a fatal accident because if Causality truly is a universal factor to have an organ replace makes you partly responsible for that persons untimely death, so I'd refuse organs too.

The answer is I would do what we were born to do and are doing with every moment, Die I guess :)

Seriously when your times up, it's up. I admittedly don't like the idea of say getting an organ replaced by someone that was in a fatal accident because if Causality truly is a universal factor to have an organ replace makes you partly responsible for that persons untimely death, so I'd refuse organs too.

Sorry, but that doesn't sound very smart to me. Sure, when your time is REALLY up, it's up. But that does not mean it's intelligent to skip treatment when it's needed. It's not always like being on a plane that's crashing and you have no options. Some things ARE within your control.

For example, appendicitis is deadly. If the appendix is allowed to rupture you will be dead fairly soon after. But removing it is a pretty simple operation and could add 50 years to your life - it did for me. So, do you mean you'd just throw away a HUGE part of your life without even caring????

This isn't my GP... it's a psychiatrist that brought it up. All he did was suggest AS as a possibility. He wants me to educate myself about AS so we can discuss how it does or does not relate to me.

Here's a decent site with lots of links:
http://www.udel.edu/bkirby/asperger/

This isn't my GP... it's a psychiatrist that brought it up. All he did was suggest AS as a possibility. He wants me to educate myself about AS so we can discuss how it does or does not relate to me.

This is WEIRD ......... normally a psychiatrist first tries to establish if you have a PDD .....then they graduate it .....

There are numerous differential diagnosis to PDD - sometimes you have to have taken bloodsamples - not only for for metabolic disorders that might affect you - but also for genetic disorders/diseases .......
Also the psychiatrist has to rule out pure affective disorders and even diseases in the scizophrenic spectrum ..........

THEN .... he can make the diagnose PDD - and then graduate it ...
one of the 5 PDDs is Aspergers syndrome .........

Are you sure he is a psychiatrist , Absane ??


My english might not be perfect .... graduate might be grade in your lingo ....... today I am only a bot under influence of sambuca .....:p:m:

Dudes, what exactly is an 'extreme female mind'? I didn't know such a condition existed.

There's an interesting theory out there explaining Aperger's Syndrome, and autism in general called ES Theory, which the ES means empathy/systemizing. The founder of the theory, Simon Baron Cohen says that, in general, women have empathizing brains and men have systemizing brains. Which means that women's brains are good for communicating and understanding and feeling other people and things. Men's brains are good for understanding and building systems. According to him, autistic brains are extremely male brains. They lack the ability to empathize and are extremely systemizing. I've read that recently that some IQ tests that measure and indicate abstract and fluid intelligence, such as Raven's Progressive Matrices, those with autistic tendencies tend to do very well on them.




I'm an Aspergic male, yet I'm also highly empathetic. I cannot bear suffering of humans and animals (hence my inability to watch sadistic horror films) - or even plants, for that matter - which is why I am a vegan humanitarian. Theories built upon dichotomous paradigm wars are typically ham-handedly wrong and worse; our little world is exceedingly complex, and we don't know even a tiny fraction of what we think we do.

I'm an Aspergic male, yet I'm also highly empathetic. I cannot bear suffering of humans and animals (hence my inability to watch sadistic horror films) - or even plants, for that matter - which is why I am a vegan humanitarian. Theories built upon dichotomous paradigm wars are typically ham-handedly wrong and worse; our little world is exceedingly complex, and we don't know even a tiny fraction of what we think we do.

Of course, AS is a spectrum disorder; some have a heavy dose of AS, others have a more mild dose and still others are somewhere in between. I have a somewhat mild dose of it, but it's still enough to make me a bit "off," detached from most people and uninterested in their trifling affairs. Since I'm not terribly afflicted with it, I can still empathize, but certainly not to the same extent as most people and certainly not as intuitively as most people. If I care about someone, I do it intellectually and in a contrived way. "Well, it makes sense for me to care." And so I pretend to care, even though I really don't. It sometimes sucks to be fake, but it's necessary. In truth, I don't really care about anyone or anything. Not even my family.

I care and empathize, but it's not the same brand of empathy as it is with most people. It kind of reminds me of what Albert Einstein said. It is most probably that Einstein had AS or autism. He said:

Variant translation: I am truly a 'lone traveler' and have never belonged to my country, my home, my friends, or even my immediate family, with my whole heart; in the face of all these ties, I have never lost a sense of distance and a need for solitude...

Some people score highly on tests of both empathy and systematizing. What is the neurology behind that?

It means they're well balanced.

Dudes, what exactly is an 'extreme female mind'? I didn't know such a condition existed.

I don't know if you'd call it a "condition." If you're going by the ES theory, what I mean by "extreme female mind," is a brain that is hyper-empathizing, whereas autism, or as Simon Baron Cohen calls it, "extreme male mind," is hyper-systemizing.

Sorry, but that doesn't sound very smart to me. Sure, when your time is REALLY up, it's up. But that does not mean it's intelligent to skip treatment when it's needed. It's not always like being on a plane that's crashing and you have no options. Some things ARE within your control.

For example, appendicitis is deadly. If the appendix is allowed to rupture you will be dead fairly soon after. But removing it is a pretty simple operation and could add 50 years to your life - it did for me. So, do you mean you'd just throw away a HUGE part of your life without even caring????

50 extra years of seeing the planet being teared apart by warmongering profiteers or watching intolerable governments get into power turn after turn through the apathy of the masses that choose to ignore every mishap they make? Not something I'd look forward to, to be perfectly honest.

The problem also is that sometimes things aren't in your control, they can be dictated to you/forced upon you which means even if you put that effort in to make changes for the better, someone's there to undo everything you do.

It's not something I choose to explain usually because of the 'apathy'.

I think I have counted no less than 5 posters (so far) who claim to have AD!!! This is, of course, totally unbelievable as AD is a highly specific form of autism and is relatively rare. There is a long list of very specific criteria that need to be satisfied for a legitimate diagnosis of AD. I’m genuinely curious to know how many of the “AD sufferers” in this thread have actually been diagnosed by a psychiatrist and how many are self-diagnosed using info from the internet. Absane has mentioned that he has received his diagnosis (or a suggested diagnosis) from a psychiatrist - any others?

50 extra years of seeing the planet being teared apart by warmongering profiteers or watching intolerable governments get into power turn after turn through the apathy of the masses that choose to ignore every mishap they make? Not something I'd look forward to, to be perfectly honest.

The problem also is that sometimes things aren't in your control, they can be dictated to you/forced upon you which means even if you put that effort in to make changes for the better, someone's there to undo everything you do.

It's not something I choose to explain usually because of the 'apathy'.

Whatever floats your boat. If you dislike this life so much, why not go ahead and check out now? :shrug: That's certainly FULLY within your control at every moment. (Many, many other things are as well - but there's no point in explaining all that to you.)

Let me put it as simply as possible - I hardly believe a single word you said on this topic. You MAY actually think your serious (though I really doubt it) but since you've obviously never had to make a life/death choice about yourself personally, one day you will find that you don't know yourself nearly as well as you might think you do.

And I still don't believe you.

http://www.wrongplanet.net

Haven't read the thread, but be aware that there are a lot of self-diagnosed (ie, wrong) Aspies on the internet. Give your doctor roughly a thousand times more credibility than the interbutts on this issue.