Pretoria - President Thabo Mbeki is building a wall estimated at R90m around his official house in Pretoria.

The contractors who are building the wall, have been sworn to secrecy and would not talk about it.

Beeld got nowhere with enquiries into the new structure at the presidential home in Bryntirion estate on Monday.

It was reliably learnt that the wall is being imported from overseas. The foundations have already been dug.

The project is expected to fly in the face of Mbeki's TV interview last month, when he said it was "a perception that crime is out of control".

He was more moderate in his State of the Nation address.

"We cannot overcome that which is ugly and objectionable in the land and taste the joy of freedom if our community lives in fear, locked up behind high walls and barbed wire," he said in that speech.

An employee of JFE Securities confirmed on Monday that his company is building the structure, but he would not elaborate. "I am not allowed to talk about it. There are a few secrecy clauses in the contract," he said.

Lucky Mochalibane from the department of public works said the department would comment on Tuesday.

"It is a sensitive matter, but certainly not a secret. We will issue a statement on Tuesday."

Mukoni Ratshitanga, spokesperson for the presidency referred enquiries to the department of public works. He said, "It is the department's property. They decide what happens at the presidency."

Ratshitanga would not comment on whether the current crime situation played a role in the decision to build the wall.

Our idiot president hiding behind his big wall. You have to laugh at that bolded bit... telling us not to hide from the "no crime" behind high walls, and then he goes an invests R90 million in a freeking wall.

I have to see this bloody wall! For that price it better come with stealth technology and a free aircraft carrier.

http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/Politics/0,,2-7-12_2071893,00.html

$20 million? WTF?

Shows that country is really going down the toilet since Apartheid was repealed.

http://southafricasucks.blogspot.com/

Crime is a Perception # 2

Mbeggi safe behind R 90 Million wall

Pretoria: His Excellency, Comrade Glorious Leader Tarboy Mbeggi is in the process of having a R90 Million (US$ 13 Million) wall built around his Presidential home in Pretoria. A veil of secrecy was hastily drawn over the affair when reporters from Die Volksblad newspaper enquired about it. The fully-imported wall (WTF, since when are walls imported?) will cost approximately R 90 Million. Construction work has already commenced at the Bryntirion Estate in Pretoria, and the foundations are almost complete.

The project is ironic in light of the president's denialist statements on national television last month, where he was quoted as saying “high crime rates are simply a perception”. An employee of JFE Securities yesterday confirmed the firm was building the wall, but refused to be drawn on any further details. “I’m not allowed to discuss it. Our contract includes a secrecy clause, he said. Volksblad reporters were referred to Ms Lucia Mabuza, who is the project leader. Mabuza, a former employee of the Department of Public Works, who has now suddenly formed her own firm, initially denied having anything to do with the project. During a follow up phone call, she did an about-turn admitting that she knew of the project, but will not field any queries from the media. “This project has nothing to do with your newspaper. You’re talking to the wrong person” Mabuza barked before ending the call.

Mr Lucky Mochalibane of the Department of Public Works said the department will comment on the project today. “It’s a sensitive issue, but not a secret. We will issue a statement tomorrow” he said. Mr Mukoni Ratshitanga, spokesman for the presidency referred all queries to the Department of Public Works. “It’s the Departments property. They decide what happens at the presidency. Ratshitanga refused to answer when asked whether the current crime situation had a role in the building of the wall.

That blog site is run by a bunch of hectic afrikaner right wingers. Full on racist dolts. Kinda like the american KKK people.

That blog site is run by a bunch of hectic afrikaner right wingers. Full on racist dolts. Kinda like the american KKK people.

Seems that by actually living there they have a better grasp on the realities of South Africa than you do.

Edit: Hey you actually live in South Africa! Well, well! I suggest you stay there until the crime and corruption finally cures you of your liberalism.

2nd Edit: Hope you live long enough for that to happen!

Aaawwww... we have to bash other nations, Eh? Well, this'll be fun!

Sorry to burst your bubbles, South Africa fans! But this nation has 2 hills to overcome:

1. Aids is a major problem in South Africa & for its neighboring nations. In South Africa, according to the CIA World Factbook, 21.50% of the population of South Africa lives with Aids, making it one of top 5 highest HIV/AIDS adult prevalence rates. South Africa also has the most people living with Aids out of any other nation, estimating 5,300,000 people living with HIV/Aids.

2. Poverty & unemployment are also major problems in South Africa. In this nation, 25.50% of the population is unemployed, while 50% of the population lives in Poverty. side-effects of poverty & unemployment are: theft, among other crimes, & political corruption.

Shows that country is really going down the toilet since Apartheid was repealed.

Hope you live long enough for that to happen!Count Sudoku:

Racist.

That blog site is run by a bunch of hectic afrikaner right wingers. Full on racist dolts. Kinda like the american KKK people.I agree.

Any wonder the big chief needs a wall to protect himself!

okayillgonow, but there are more than enough news stories about how the crime has risen out of control, and safety is no longer guarantied by the government,

BBC News | TALKING POINT | Have you experienced crime in South Africa?
South Africa is the most dangerous country in the world, which is not at war. Fifteen thousand people were murdered between January and September last year.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talking_point/1924251.stm

South Africa - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Crime has been a major problem in South Africa. According to a survey for the period 1998–2000 compiled by the United Nations, South Africa was ranked ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Africa

SOUTH AFRICA: High-Profile Murder Sparks Debate on Violent Crime
"Obviously the murder of someone of a high profile will definitely strengthen perceptions abroad about crimes in South Africa," he said. ...
http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=36371

Report attacks S African crime and corruption | Special reports ...
African governments have warned South Africa that growing corruption, rampant violent crime and xenophobia are undermining confidence in the continent's ...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/southafrica/story/0,,2001054,00.html

South Africans need to change those diamonds into dust, fill the bullets with diamond dust, and shoot down the white oppressors.

Only problem is...Africans like those diamond bullets for themselves.

And democracy can't hover high from the weight of all the gold.

As for Earth, it cant give water, because it is full of blood.

And people are blind.

South Africans need to change those diamonds into dust, fill the bullets with diamond dust, and shoot down the white oppressors.

Only problem is...Africans like those diamond bullets for themselves.

And democracy can't hover high from the weight of all the gold.

As for Earth, it cant give water, because it is full of blood.

And people are blind.

What white oppressors? You do know Apartheid fell along time ago? Our country has about 1/6th the size of yours, and we almost have the same gdp growth rate as the russians :)

Seems that by actually living there they have a better grasp on the realities of South Africa than you do.

Edit: Hey you actually live in South Africa! Well, well! I suggest you stay there until the crime and corruption finally cures you of your liberalism.



Why dont you bring your rednecked way of doing things down here and show us how its done then? Im sure the local populance would be very interested in your christian out reach and family inbreeding programs ;) Wait wait! Less give everyone guns!!!! and teach more corporations monopolistic corporate tactics!!! Africa needs your moonshine! :D

What effect poverty has with this type of crime... well I do not know.. there are poorer countries with a percentage of the crime rate we currently have.

I think that blog is written by a South African now hiding out in Australia btw.

w1z4rd, could it be that the Afrikaner that you think is posting that blog had his land stolen from him and decided to go some were else were land rights are respected? and when you make something for your self it isn't taken away from you by the lawless and then nothing is done by the government to redress the situation. How long do you think you will have the largest GDP in the south of Africa if you keep running the people who built the wealth of your country? The path your country is going down is the same as many of the other countries on the continent, and it leads to poverty and dictatorship, Kill the Golden Goose, and the gold runs out.

Um.... could you show me the case whereby said afrikaaner got his land stolen.

I am very aware of the path my country is taking, and instead of running away Im trying to change it, however our worst concern is crime. Land grabs are a non issue except to a few fringe elements here in South Africa.

I know a couple of members in my family have had enquiries about taking land, and at the excellent price the one was offered, he said yes. The other family declined and that was that.

Whats the rate of unemployment in SA?

w1z4rd

http://www.globalgulag.us/id38.html

BBC News | AFRICA | Mbeki urges end to land crisis
... by squatters and self-styled war veterans to occupy white-owned farms in ... South African jitters South Africa's currency, the rand, fell to record ...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/737257.stm

BBC News | AFRICA | Mbeki urges end to land crisis
... by squatters and self-styled war veterans to occupy white-owned farms in ... South African jitters South Africa's currency, the rand, fell to record ...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/737257.stm
Zimbabwe.

Count Sudoku:

Racist.

I agree.

Oh boo hoo you hurt my feelings. Is this the best response you can up with?

w1z4rd

http://www.globalgulag.us/id38.html

BBC News | AFRICA | Mbeki urges end to land crisis
... by squatters and self-styled war veterans to occupy white-owned farms in ... South African jitters South Africa's currency, the rand, fell to record ...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/737257.stm

I dont live in Zimbabwe... though I wonder why Mbeki still supports Mugabe.

Whats the rate of unemployment in SA?

Our unemployment rate as of March last year is 25.6%

Why dont you bring your rednecked way of doing things down here and show us how its done then? Im sure the local populance would be very interested in your christian out reach and family inbreeding programs ;) Wait wait! Less give everyone guns!!!! and teach more corporations monopolistic corporate tactics!!! Africa needs your moonshine! :D

What effect poverty has with this type of crime... well I do not know.. there are poorer countries with a percentage of the crime rate we currently have.

I think that blog is written by a South African now hiding out in Australia btw.

Um no thanks I'll stay somewhere where it's relatively safe (like Iraq). Anyone with half a brain is trying to get the F out of South Africa ASAP but don't listen to me I'm just an ignorant racist so you stay there and let us know when you become another statistic (if you are killed, get someone else to let us know).

As for that broken record excuse of poverty causing crime, that was disproved during the Great Depression.

Um no thanks I'll stay somewhere where it's relatively safe (like Iraq). Anyone with half a brain is trying to get the F out of South Africa ASAP but don't listen to me I'm just an ignorant racist so you stay there and let us know when you become another statistic (if you are killed, get someone else to let us know).

As for that broken record excuse of poverty causing crime, that was disproved during the Great Depression.

Not all of us quit and run. I can understand that may be in your character though.

Please note, I dont think poverty causes the crime. There are much poorer countries with much lower crime rates. If I had to guess, I would say its because south africa is not offering refuge to the millions of illegals in South Africa. We dont offer them any sanctuary, and we do not give them the option to work legally. Their only recourse when they get through our porous border is crime.

Oh boo hoo you hurt my feelings. Is this the best response you can up with?Who gives a Damn? Sorry, I'm not trying to be an asswipe which is what you're implying.

Making yourself look all tough doesn't remedy the fact that you're a racist; that's the truth, & you can't change that.
Shows South Africa is really going down the toilet since Apartheid was repealed.Anyone supporting Apartheid should be considered leeches in society. Why? Oh, I don't know... maybe it's because of the major human rights abuses from Apartheid. An example? Well, how about the Soweto riots in June 1976? OR, the Sharpeville Massacre in 1959? I could go on.

FYI, Apartheid was a policy carried out by the National Party of South Africa (A Fascist party composed of racist Afrikaners). This makes you not only a racist, but also an advocate of Fascism.

So, you like Apartheid? Well, here's Apartheid for you:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a0/Soweto_Riots.jpg
This image from the Soweti Riots with Black people fighting for what they deserve: freedom. As a result, this child shown in image was fatally wounded by racist policemen.

Edit:The truth is that whether I'm a racist or not doesn't change the truth or logic of my arguments so stop with the Ad Hominem already unless it's the only thing in your arsenal. :D Crappy putdown.

Not all of us quit and run. I can understand that may be in your character though.

Please note, I dont think poverty causes the crime. There are much poorer countries with much lower crime rates. If I had to guess, I would say its because south africa is not offering refuge to the millions of illegals in South Africa. We dont offer them any sanctuary, and we do not give them the option to work legally. Their only recourse when they get through our porous border is crime.

Gee, does South Africa hold the world record for rapes because illegals can't work legally?

Who gives a Damn? Sorry, not trying to be an asswipe.

Making yourself look all tough doesn't remedy the fact that you're a racist; that's the truth, & you can't change that.

The truth is that whether I'm a racist or not doesn't change the truth or logic of my arguments so stop with the Ad Hominem already unless it's the only thing in your arsenal.

Anyone supporting Apartheid should be considered leeches in society. Why? Oh, I don't know... maybe it's because of the major human rights abuses from Apartheid. An example? Well, how about the Soweto riots in June 1976? OR, the Sharpeville Massacre in 1959? I could go on.

I don't support Apartheid and those "human rights abuses" are nothing compared to the genocide against white farmers (over 2000 killed). Not that I defend Apartheid but how bad could it have been if blacks from other countries were flocking illegally to live under it?

FYI, Apartheid was a policy carried out by the National Party of South Africa (A Fascist party composed of racist Afrikaners). This makes you not only a racist, but also an advocate of Fascism.

I never said I supported Apartheid. In fact this is exactly why...

http://www.realiteit.co.za/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=573&mode=thread

Briewe: WHITE SOUTH AFRICA: What Went Wrong?

Posted by: Admin on Jan 26, 2006 - 06:45 AM

Algemeen

In 1980, White South Africa was acknowledged -- even by her enemies -- as the most powerful country on the African continent. Now, 25 years later, this White giant has collapsed and is in the hands of the ANC. The Afrikaners, once masters of the country, are today a subject nation, ruled by people, who only 120 years ago, did not have the wheel.
How did this happen? What happened to Apartheid? Why did that policy not guarantee White survival in that country? What went wrong? Arthur Kemp provides the answer.

It is one of the many bitter ironies about South Africa that the policy of Apartheid – to which Afrikaners clung for decades as their only hope and salvation from Third World domination – was in fact an impracticable and unworkable system which led directly to the Afrikaners’ demise as a political force in that country.

The politicians -- the National Party -- who fostered Apartheid, are the primary criminals in this tragedy, holding out a false illusory hope to the Afrikaners, and then when the inevitable became just that, changed track and gave in, abandoning their followers to ANC rule as callously as they had earlier lied to them.

For Apartheid – in reality forced social segregation – was nothing but an illusion, a twisted distortion of the demographic reality of South Africa, not to mention the truth that it was, ultimately, morally repugnant as well.

Who really wants to rule over millions of non-Whites by force? What sane White person would wish that as a legacy to their children?

Worse, the conservative White South African politicians – all of them - never understood – and possibly still today, do not understand – what the driving force of political power is: namely, physical occupation.

Political power comes from physical occupation: not historical rights, not title deeds, not moral rights – only occupation. Those people who occupy a territory determine the nature of the society in that region. Two examples, familiar to all, illustrate this point well:

Example 1: North America. On that continent, the American Indian (Amerind) people lived for thousands of years, creating a culture which dominated that continent. The culture of North America reflected the fact that the Amerinds lived and formed the majority population there.

After 1500 AD, however, that continent filled up with White immigrants from Europe. These White immigrants displaced the Amerinds by squeezing them out of possession of North America.

The great shift in North America then occurred. Whereas the Amerind culture had dominated for thousands of years, in a few hundred years the dominant civilization on that continent had become White European. This shift reflected the fact that the majority of inhabitants of North America had become White Europeans -- and the Amerind civilization “fell” because the population of North America changed.

This effect -- the displacement of peoples and the subsequent disappearance of their civilization -- has direct implications in racial terms. The rise and fall of any particular civilization can therefore be traced, not by the economics, politics, morals etc. of a particular civilization, but rather by the actual racial presence of the people themselves. If the society which has produced a particular civilization stays intact as a racially homogeneous unit, then that civilization remains active.

If, however, the society within any particular given area changes its racial makeup -- through invasion, immigration, or any decline in numbers -- then the civilization which that society has produced will disappear with them, to be replaced by a new civilization reflecting the new inhabitants of that territory.

Example 2: Israel. The state of Israel is today a political reality, not because the Bible says Jews belong there (although many Jews and Christians might think so), but simply because the Zionist movement has ensured that Jews are a majority in that territory. This was done through a deliberate policy of settlement and immigration, coordinated over decades.

This also forms the rationale behind the current Israeli government’s plans to build up Jewish settlements in the occupied Arab West Bank: by physically occupying the territory, they hope to change the make-up of that region to the point where it becomes de facto part of Israel. History teaches us that there are two main reasons for a change in the racial make-up of any
society: either military occupation or the use of foreign or alien labor.

The American Indians serve as a text book example of the “military occupation” case study, as detailed earlier, while South Africa serves as a text book example of the “use of foreign labor” case study. When a change occurs through the use of alien labor, the following process occurs:

- The dominant society imports (usually racially) foreign labor to do the menial work in that society.
- These racial aliens then become established, settle down and multiply in numbers by drawing upon the society’s structures (in White countries, their science, healthcare, technology, etc.)
- They grow in number, and finally dominate that society by their sheer numbers.

It is, simply put, a demographic reality: those who occupy a land, determine the nature of that society. And so it was – and is – with South Africa, where population figures reveal precisely how the use of alien labor by the Afrikaners dispossessed them of their fatherland.

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At least I see dumb racial discrimination is universal. There are 50 people killed in South Africa daily. Mayb less than 10% of that white, so by your logic count Sudoko, since 90% of the deaths are black, it is therefore a genocide against black people.

At least I see dumb racial discrimination is universal. There are 50 people killed in South Africa daily. Mayb less than 10% of that white, so by your logic count Sudoko, since 90% of the deaths are black, it is therefore a genocide against black people.

Twit.

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53830

The genocide in democratic South Africa

They are conservative, Christian Caucasians, a fact that might help explain why the fashionable left in the West doesn't much care that they're being exterminated.

The Boers – or farmers – of South Africa have tilled the land for generations on small holdings or on large commercial farms. But orgiastic killing sprees by The People, combined with a Stalinesque land grab by their representatives is threatening this minority's survival.

Not to mention making life an inferno for farmers across the country.

Journalists for "Carte Blanche," the South African equivalent of "20/20," conducted a six-month investigation into what has become known as farm murders, or plaasmoorde in Afrikaans. The short documentary opens with a funeral, Elsie Swart's. Elsie was one of three farmers killed in the span of only seven days. She died after being "severely tortured, burned with an electric iron, beaten and strangled to death."

(Column continues below)


The victims of this ongoing onslaught, we are told, are invariably elderly, law-abiding, God-fearing whites, murdered in cold blood, in ways that beggar belief. For the edification of racism spotters in the West, "Carte Blanche" ought to have pointed out that their assailants are always black.

Typically, the heathens will attack on Sundays. On returning from church, the farmer is ambushed. Those too feeble to attend Sunday service are frequently tortured and killed when the rest are worshiping. In one crime scene, Bibles belonging to the slain had been splayed across their mangled bodies. In another, an "old man's hand rests on the arm of his wife of many years." She raped; he, in all likelihood, made to watch. Finally, with their throats slit, they died side by side.

Beatrice Freitas has survived two farm attacks. Her equanimity belies the brutality she has endured. She and her husband immigrated to South Africa from Madeira 40 years ago. They built a thriving nursery near the Mozambiquean border. It supplied the entire region with beautiful plants. Some people build; others destroy. Beatrice tells her story as she drifts through the stately cycads surrounding the deserted homestead. There's an ephemeral quality about her.

When the four men attacked her, Beatrice says her mind "disappeared." She and her permanently disabled husband, José, were tied up while the home was ransacked. When the brutes were through, they wanted to know where she kept the iron. They then took her to the laundry room, where two of them raped her, coated her in oil, and applied the iron. They alternated iron with boot. When they were through, 25 percent of Beatrice's body was covered in third-degree burns. They suffocated her with a towel, and left her for dead, but she survived. She says the Lord saved her.

No one was ever arrested – not then, and not after the couple was attacked three years later. This time José died "in a hail of bullets." Arrests and convictions are rare. "Carte Blanche" tells of Dan Lansberg, shot dead in broad daylight. Members of his courageous farming community caught the culprits, but they "escaped" from the local police cells. As I've explained before, the newly configured South African police is a corrupt, illiterate and ill-trained force, "riven by feuds, fetishes and factional loyalties." The South African justice system has collapsed, confirms professor Neels Moolman, a criminologist. In democratic South Africa, a person has over a 90 percent chance of getting away with murder. Or as Moolman puts it, pursuing "a criminal career without fearing the consequences."

Sky News sent its correspondent to the northern province of South Africa, where the viewers are introduced to Herman Dejager. (CNN's Anderson Vanderbilt Cooper and his pal Angelina Jolie were nowhere in sight.) Before retiring every night, Herman prepares to fight to the death to protect what's his. He checks his bulletproof vest, loads the shotgun and drapes ammunition rounds on the nightstand.

Herman's father died in his arms, shot in the face by intruders. Kaalie Botha's parents were not so lucky: "You can't kill an animal like they killed my mom and father. You can't believe it." Kaalie's 71-year-old father's Achilles tendons had been severed so he couldn't flee. He was then hacked in the back until he died, his body dumped in the bush. His wife, Joey, had her head bashed in by a brick wielded with such force, the skull "cracked like an egg."

Dr. Gregory H. Stanton heads Genocide Watch. He says the slaughter of 2,000 Boers is genocide. (One wonders why "Carte Blanche" drastically underreported the number of murdered Boers, pegging it at 1,400 all told, when in January of 2006, Genocide Watch reported a total of 1,820 murders.) The rates at which the farmers are being eliminated, the torture and dehumanization involved – all point to systematic extermination.

"Genocide is always organized, usually by the state," Stanton has written on Genocide Watch's website. Indeed, according to Sky News, the farmers believe "these attacks are an orchestrated, government-sanctioned attempt to purge South Africa of white land owners, as has already happened in Zimbabwe." Consequently, Zimbabwe, once the breadbasket of Africa, is now its dust bowl. Robert Mugabe, Zimbabwe's Marxist president, is greatly admired by Thabo Mbeki, South Africa's strongman and head of the African National Congress.

That certainly would explain why the ANC plans to dismantle the Commando System, a private Afrikaner militia that has existed since the 1770s and is the only defense at the farmers' disposal. More damning, and contrary to the pro-forma denials issued by the ANC's oleaginous officials, the Daily Mail reported, in February 2006, that the government is dead-set-on forcibly seizing the land of thousands of farmers. By the year 2014, a third of the Boers' property will have been given to blacks.

In democratic South Africa, dispossession is nine-tenths of the law.

:bugeye: Gay

Here's something ### to look at you ####### #####.

http://www.africancrisis.org/photos45.asp

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Payback's a bitch ain't it. Kill the Boer Terrorists!

african crisis is a known kkk style racist hang out. god u are one disgusting human. I am out of this thread.

african crisis is a known kkk style racist hang out. god u are one disgusting human. I am out of this thread.

Can't handle the truth huh chickenshit?

Oh, that's a wacist site! Therefore everything it says must be a lie. If you believe that, congratulations, you are officially a retard.

Here's three more

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As for you Ganji, women, children and babies are fair game huh? What a typical savage you are.

The type that likes to see an oppressed people get their just rewards. Unfortunate about children, but having them breed and carry neo nazism into future generations simply can't be tolerated. Kill em all I say, let your God sort them out.
ANGOLA LIBERATED BY MPLA AND MULATTO CUBANS AT CUITO CUANEVALE! Blasted and fried in their apartheid tanks the "master race" was defeated on the battlefield by non whites. US/Boer backed UNITA also defeated after they destroyed the country.

The type that likes to see an oppressed people get their just rewards. Unfortunate about children, but having them breed and carry neo nazism into future generations simply can't be tolerated. Kill em all I say, let your God sort them out.
ANGOLA LIBERATED BY MPLA AND MULATTO CUBANS AT CUITO CUANEVALE! Blasted and fried in their apartheid tanks the "master race" was defeated on the battlefield by non whites. US/Boer backed UNITA also defeated after they destroyed the country.

You retard, they weren't "oppressed". Blacks in South Africa had the highest standard of living anywhere in Africa. Blacks were entering the country illegally from other countries just to live under the "oppression" of Apartheid. When Whitey is gone, that country is going to descend to the level of that communist shithole Zimbabwe. Goddamn you are one stupid fuck.

Moderators I apologize for cussing out some people in this thread but they needed a slap in the head to get in touch with reality.

You retard, they weren't "oppressed". Blacks in South Africa had the highest standard of living anywhere in Africa. Blacks were entering the country illegally from other countries just to live under the "oppression" of Apartheid. When Whitey is gone, that country is going to descend to the level of that communist shithole Zimbabwe. Goddamn you are one stupid fuck.

Moderators I apologize for cussing out some people in this thread but they needed a slap in the head to get in touch with reality.Oh Yeah, the bantustans were high living standards. Oh and Soweto was sooo beautiful. It was slavery based on race dumbfuck. Nazism is dead. You will soon be outnumbered. Veeeeery soon. Adapt or do us all a favor and vanish. Apartheid is dead. Only zionist Israel maintains it. As klantrash what do you feel about the Israelis aiding the apartheid failed state? Torture techniques, military aid? Working for the Jewish Agenda Fraulein?? Death to the Boers!!

Oh Yeah, the bantustans were high living standards. Oh and Soweto was sooo beautiful. It was slavery based on race dumbfuck.

Apparently it was a better deal than the other neighboring countries because cause blacks broke the law to move into it and hardly any of the blacks in the country left to live in a country governed by other blacks.

Nazism is dead. You will soon be outnumbered. Veeeeery soon. Adapt or do us all a favor and vanish.

We've always been outnumbered. Your kind can barely feed yourselves without Whitey's help. If you think you were treated badly in the past when we didn't particularly hate you, wait until you piss us off enough.

Apartheid is dead. Only zionist Israel maintains it. As klantrash what do you feel about the Israelis aiding the apartheid failed state? Torture techniques, military aid? Working for the Jewish Agenda Fraulein?? Death to the Boers!!

I hate that the Jews pull all the strings in the USA through control of the media and big money contributions, but I don't particularly care about Israel. Are you against countries that exclude significant foreign immigration? Because that would be most non-White countries on Earth. Why don't you complain about their racist policies dipshit?

Apparently it was a better deal than the other neighboring countries because cause blacks broke the law to move into it and hardly any of the blacks in the country left to live in a country governed by other blacks.



We've always been outnumbered. Your kind can barely feed yourselves without Whitey's help. If you think you were treated badly in the past when we didn't particularly hate you, wait until you piss us off enough.



I hate that the Jews pull all the strings in the USA through control of the media and big money contributions, but I don't particularly care about Israel. Are you against countries that exclude significant foreign immigration? Because that would be most non-White countries on Earth. Why don't you complain about their racist policies dipshit?I'm whiter than you. Swedish, Dutch and English. I don't even tan. Nice bait:rolleyes:

So you don't mind that failed white power South Africa survived only through zionism? Truly pathetic. Beaten by black Angolans, Namibians and South African blacks, defeated by a mulatto Cuban military and supported by Judeofascism. Your level of uncleanliness is repulsive.

Poor count. He can't express his racism in reality so he plays tough online. :p Truly a sad dog.

I'm whiter than you. Swedish, Dutch and English. I don't even tan. Nice bait:rolleyes:

So you don't mind that failed white power South Africa survived only through zionism? Truly pathetic. Beaten by black Angolans, Namibians and South African blacks, defeated by a mulatto Cuban military and supported by Judeofascism. Your level of uncleanliness is repulsive.

If you are white, you are a fucking retard but never mind that. South Africa wasn't a failed White power, it was the most economically advanced country in Africa and blacks from other countries trekked across the border illegally to live there because blacks lived better there than anywhere else in Africa.

South Africa was not militarilly defeated, Apartheid was disbanded because of economic sanctions and too many brain dead liberal white people like yourself who have been brainwashed by the Joos you claim to hate so much into committing cultural, political and eventual biological suicide because the Joos want to rule the world and killing off whites will make it easier because all that will be left are mulatto and non-white retards who can be controlled even more easily than whites.

The Whites in SA should have carved out a white only homeland for themselves and given the rest of the country to the blacks who would destroy it in short order and live no better than the blacks in Zimbabwe.

If you are white, you are a fucking retard but never mind that. South Africa wasn't a failed White power, it was the most economically advanced country in Africa and blacks from other countries trekked across the border illegally to live there because blacks lived better there than anywhere else in Africa.

South Africa was not militarilly defeated, Apartheid was disbanded because of economic sanctions and too many brain dead liberal white people like yourself who have been brainwashed by the Joos you claim to hate so much into committing cultural, political and eventual biological suicide because the Joos want to rule the world and killing off whites will make it easier because all that will be left are mulatto and non-white retards who can be controlled even more easily than whites.

The Whites in SA should have carved out a white only homeland for themselves and given the rest of the country to the blacks who would destroy it in short order and live no better than the blacks in Zimbabwe.Communists tend not to be racists dumbass.:rolleyes:

Slavery is GREAT for any country's economy. Look at Rome, etc. Of course the economy would be good with a majority of the population as slaves!

SA's military was defeated. I saw the SWAPO video of white power tanks burning and exploding, cooking the racists inside. One crawled out, engulfed in flames. A beautiful sight that brought cheers to Chicago party HQ. It wasn't apartheid driving tanks into Angola, it was the Jewish military the white power losers were using. DEFEATED AT CUITO CUANEVALE!!

Communists tend not to be racists dumbass.:rolleyes:

Slavery is GREAT for any country's economy. Look at Rome, etc. Of course the economy would be good with a majority of the population as slaves!

Oh a communist that actually believes that communism works! Well that answers that question, you are a retard. Anyway, slavery is not good for the economy it retards technologial advancement and the "free labor" is not free, just like the Mexican illegals they cost plenty (for society) even when they work for $2 an hour. The reason Whites lost South Africa is because they had too many Goddamn "slaves" who outnumbered them 10 to 1. If the white outnumbered to "slaves" 10 to 1 it would still be a white country.

SA's military was defeated. I saw the SWAPO video of white power tanks burning and exploding, cooking the racists inside. One crawled out, engulfed in flames. A beautiful sight that brought cheers to Chicago party HQ.

And that had what to do with South Africans voting to end Apartheid?

It wasn't apartheid driving tanks into Angola, it was the Jewish military the white power losers were using. DEFEATED AT CUITO CUANEVALE!!

Jews invented communism, were mainly behind the communist revolution in Russia and subsequent atrocities (which outdid Hitler by several magnitudes) and attempts to bring communism to America. As a commie you should be rooting for the Joos. Anyway, I doubt your non-white comrades give a flying fuck about your commitment to international brotherhood and will slit your throat just as quickly as they would that of a KKK Grand Dragon or that dumb white bitch Amy Biehl who went to SA to help the brothers "fight the power". Shit, the first thing those black commies did when they took over in SA was toss out all the white commie collaborators as if they were used toilet paper. Christ, if you believe the conflict in SA was a communist struggle you are even more deluded than I thought. It was and is a racial conflict and dim bulbs like you should get your fucking head screwed on straight and figure out whose team you should actually be on.

Oh a communist that actually believes that communism works! Well that answers that question, you are a retard. Anyway, slavery is not good for the economy it retards technologial advancement and the "free labor" is not free, just like the Mexican illegals they cost plenty (for society) even when they work for $2 an hour. The reason Whites lost South Africa is because they had too many Goddamn "slaves" who outnumbered them 10 to 1. If the white outnumbered to "slaves" 10 to 1 it would still be a white country.



And that had what to do with South Africans voting to end Apartheid?



Jews invented communism, were mainly behind the communist revolution in Russia and subsequent atrocities (which outdid Hitler by several magnitudes) and attempts to bring communism to America. As a commie you should be rooting for the Joos. Anyway, I doubt your non-white comrades give a flying fuck about your commitment to international brotherhood and will slit your throat just as quickly as they would that of a KKK Grand Dragon or that dumb white bitch Amy Biehl who went to SA to help the brothers "fight the power". Shit, the first thing those black commies did when they took over in SA was toss out all the white commie collaborators as if they were used toilet paper. Christ, if you believe the conflict in SA was a communist struggle you are even more deluded than I thought. It was and is a racial conflict and dim bulbs like you should get your fucking head screwed on straight and figure out whose team you should actually be on.You forgot white SA armed and financed RENAMO and many other terrorist groups in socialist countries, to keep them destabilized and in tatters. Money to UNITA, the terrorist paratroopers in Rhodesia, Zambia and Botswana. These were efforts at fighting communist governments around SA. Idi Amin was favored by the US and racist SA because he overthrew socialist Obote, who was supported by Marxist Tanzania. We all know you could be more of a murderer of Blacks than Amin! But I bet you loved him. So see? It was a war against the people of SA and the people of Africa. Your Side Lost. Deal with it.



Until Thursday Night......

You forgot white SA armed and financed RENAMO and many other terrorist groups in socialist countries, to keep them destabilized and in tatters. Money to UNITA, the terrorist paratroopers in Rhodesia, Zambia and Botswana. These were efforts at fighting communist governments around SA. Idi Amin was favored by the US and racist SA because he overthrew socialist Obote, who was supported by Marxist Tanzania. We all know you could be more of a murderer of Blacks than Amin! But I bet you loved him. So see? It was a war against the people of SA and the people of Africa. Your Side Lost. Deal with it.

I don't give a shit about communism. It is an economic system that has failed everywhere it has been tried. If Cuba or North Korea wants to be communist, it's no sweat off my balls. I suspect the only reason SA fought communism in neighboring countries is because they didn't want those countries sponsoring communist (black) insurgencies in SA (which is probably what happened). As long as communist countries don't try to impose their shitty economic system on me, I don't care what they do. Anyway South Africa didn't fall because of communism, it fell because whites allowed themselves to become a tiny racial minority in their own country. It just happens that most blacks support communism which is just another failing on their part. What's your excuse?

P.S. I don't care to debate communism, there is nothing to debate, it is shit end of story.

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Enough with flaming!

Calm down or you'll spend few days away from SciForums!

Why does Mbeki support Mugabe? Is that something that goes back some time?

Took me some time to figure out where Count's avatar said.

http://www.sciforums.com/avatars/avatar23525_1.gif

'Enoch Powell was right'

http://martinfrost.ws/htmlfiles/rivers_blood2.html

I am trying to join a discussion on this R90mil wall

ok i found it,

Maybe I whupped some sense into him.

african crisis is a known kkk style racist hang out. god u are one disgusting human. I am out of this thread.

Don't be too harsh on him; he's still evolving. They've just gotten to the poo-throwing stage.

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Enough with flaming!

Calm down or you'll spend few days away from SciForums!Plazma is an Admin?? Or is this another joke ala Roman? I just now saw this. Maybe mods and admins need titles with their avatars since there are so many heartless pranksters.

Maybe I whupped some sense into him.I already have a surplus of sense. :)

Plazma is an Admin?? Or is this another joke ala Roman? I just now saw this. Maybe mods and admins need titles with their avatars since there are so many heartless pranksters.
http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=61074&highlight=plazma

Plazma is an Admin?? Or is this another joke ala Roman? I just now saw this. Maybe mods and admins need titles with their avatars since there are so many heartless pranksters.

It's not a joke.

All the mods are a joke......

http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=61074&highlight=plazma:eek: So some guy with under 300 posts is a member of the Star Chamber?? Hmm. I'll refrain from further comment other than to say when a forum has a KKK member on board you're going to run into problems. So be nice to the Nazi? :cool:

The type that likes to see an oppressed people get their just rewards. Unfortunate about children, but having them breed and carry neo nazism into future generations simply can't be tolerated. Kill em all I say, let your God sort them out.
ANGOLA LIBERATED BY MPLA AND MULATTO CUBANS AT CUITO CUANEVALE! Blasted and fried in their apartheid tanks the "master race" was defeated on the battlefield by non whites. US/Boer backed UNITA also defeated after they destroyed the country.

I am so grateful the majority of black people in South Africa are better than you. PS, South Africa was FORCED by international pressure to withdraw. Kicked south africa`s ass my ass. Even with the cubans helping out the angolans with Russian hardware the SANDF pwned the angola army.

A major incursion by South Africa into Angola occurred during Operation Savannah, when South African forces advanced 3,159 km in 33 days to within artillery range of the Angolan capital of Luanda. South Africa was forced to withdraw when its covert Western support (mainly from the United States) was withdrawn. After its withdrawal, South Africa continued to support UNITA in order to ensure that SWAPO did not establish bases in southern Angola from where they could launch attacks into SWA.

You dont seem to know what you are talking about genji:(

Count Suduko... um... we did oppress the black people in this country. I feel guilt for what the older generation did often. I feel ashamed my race dropped to that low level of humanity. Personally, I prefer the country I live in today... even with its crime.. than the one I was born into.

:eek: So some guy with under 300 posts is a member of the Star Chamber?? Hmm. I'll refrain from further comment other than to say when a forum has a KKK member on board you're going to run into problems. So be nice to the Nazi? :cool:
It doesn't matter if I have 10 or 10,000 posts. I'm not here to raise my post count. My job is to be an administrator.
You're right. I'll put my Admin title, so there won't be disarray again.

Please, don't refrain from comments! It's unhealthy to keep things inside!
You won't be banned if you're straightforward!

But please put links with a reference to my KKK and nazi posts please! I would love to see them again!

Which country are you from Genji? You have some interesting political views.

I am so grateful the majority of black people in South Africa are better than you. PS, South Africa was FORCED by international pressure to withdraw. Kicked south africa`s ass my ass. Even with the cubans helping out the angolans with Russian hardware the SANDF pwned the angola army.



You dont seem to know what you are talking about genji:(

Count Suduko... um... we did oppress the black people in this country. I feel guilt for what the older generation did often. I feel ashamed my race dropped to that low level of humanity. Personally, I prefer the country I live in today... even with its crime.. than the one I was born into.The Angolans and Cubans defeated SA at Cuito Cuanavale, blasted the Jewish tanks in their tracks and drove them south into Namibia. (SW Africa at the time.)
http://www.mltoday.com/Pages/Cuba/Saney-CubaSavedAfrica.html

Which country are you from Genji? You have some interesting political views.The American Midwest.

Have you visited South Africa?

Have you visited South Africa?Never been there. Is this one of those bait tricks where one cannot have an informed opinion about anything unless you've Been There? Do you have an opinion on Iraq? Have you BEEN there??

I am so grateful the majority of black people in South Africa are better than you. PS, South Africa was FORCED by international pressure to withdraw. Kicked south africa`s ass my ass. Even with the cubans helping out the angolans with Russian hardware the SANDF pwned the angola army.

You dont seem to know what you are talking about genji:(

Count Suduko... um... we did oppress the black people in this country. I feel guilt for what the older generation did often. I feel ashamed my race dropped to that low level of humanity. Personally, I prefer the country I live in today... even with its crime.. than the one I was born into.

I think even the blacks were better off (or soon will be) under Apartheid. Certainly the whites were. The whites should have carved up their own homeland and completely separated.

The Angolans and Cubans defeated SA at Cuito Cuanavale, blasted the Jewish tanks in their tracks and drove them south into Namibia. (SW Africa at the time.)
http://www.mltoday.com/Pages/Cuba/Saney-CubaSavedAfrica.html

I hardly know anything about this war. What I do know (AFAIK) is that it had nothing to do with ending Apartheid.

Absolutely Genji. I'm afraid I cant see how you can have such strong opinions of South Africa when you have never experienced life in Africa. My opinion of Iraq is that they got arrogant with the wrong people(USA). However, I would never attempt to form an opinion of their internal politics and I would definitly not be able to pick a side to be on, because I know know of Iraq what I read about or heard on the news. You can never asume to know a group of people. What always amazes me is how international groups lobbyed against the previous South African governments policies, yet the same groups havent got a word to say about the racist policies of the current government. You seem like somone who simply chooses to back the underdog Genji, am I right?

Sure apartheid was easier, that's why it existed. Sometimes you have to be brave and work through the difficulties of a nation in transition.

Sure apartheid was easier, that's why it existed. Sometimes you have to be brave and work through the difficulties of a nation in transition.

The only thing South Africa is in transition to is total anarchy.

http://southafricasucks.blogspot.com/

Absolutely Genji. I'm afraid I cant see how you can have such strong opinions of South Africa when you have never experienced life in Africa. My opinion of Iraq is that they got arrogant with the wrong people(USA). However, I would never attempt to form an opinion of their internal politics and I would definitly not be able to pick a side to be on, because I know know of Iraq what I read about or heard on the news. You can never asume to know a group of people. What always amazes me is how international groups lobbyed against the previous South African governments policies, yet the same groups havent got a word to say about the racist policies of the current government. You seem like somone who simply chooses to back the underdog Genji, am I right?

Nice JJ, but only genj underdogs...

The only thing South Africa is in transition to is total anarchy.

http://southafricasucks.blogspot.com/

You have a remarkable ability for finding South African white trash websites. They are perfect for the Springer show :D

You have a remarkable ability for finding South African white trash websites. They are perfect for the Springer show :D
What side of the fence are you on Karmic Sangoma? You dont seem to have anything interesting to say.

There's a fence?

There's a fence?
Ja, and it cost more than $20mil !

You have a remarkable ability for finding South African white trash websites. They are perfect for the Springer show :D

Springer [the jew] like all jews is not interested in showing what their handiwork created in South Africa.

Maybe if you spent less time watching TalmudVision you would know what the fuck is going on in your own country.

You hate Jews too Count?

What side of the fence are you on Karmic Sangoma? You dont seem to have anything interesting to say.

What fence? I hate crime? That fence?

Springer [the jew] like all jews is not interested in showing what their handiwork created in South Africa.

Maybe if you spent less time watching TalmudVision you would know what the fuck is going on in your own country.

First person on my ignore list. Bye bye, sorry, I dont do white trash, and have no place for it in my life. Ive had enough shit in my life with people with your warped ideologies of hate and I find it barbaric and disgusting. I wont bother to enter into debates with people like you as you contribute nothing to my life.

Flock with your own kind in **********. My generation here has more important things to worry about than your freaky ideologies. Dont bother responding to this as I will be unable to read your reply.
:crazy: :shrug:

First person on my ignore list. Bye bye, sorry, I dont do white trash, and have no place for it in my life. Ive had enough shit in my life with people with your warped ideologies of hate and I find it barbaric and disgusting. I wont bother to enter into debates with people like you as you contribute nothing to my life.

Flock with your own kind in **********. My generation here has more important things to worry about than your freaky ideologies. Dont bother responding to this as I will be unable to read your reply.
:crazy: :shrug:

Just promise me you'll stay in South Africa with all the other white liberals so I can smile when the natives go Rwanda on you.

You hate Jews too Count?

Let's just say I like them as much as they like whites.

I only have crime to contend with.

I am not really into real estate on fault lines and super volcanoes:
http://www.solcomhouse.com/yellowstone.htm

What fence? I hate crime? That fence?
Are you from jozi?

What fence? I hate crime? That fence?
Are you from jozi?

Are you from jozi?

At the moment, yes.

At the moment, yes.
Are you planning to move?