What did you think. I absolutely loved it. Plot was tight, graphics were phenomenal. I loved the movie.

I liked the Indian connection as well. During the credit the soundtrack was peppered with it.

I'm going to see it right now.

Indian connection? There was an indian connection?

I couldn't agree more with you airavata. The movie was spectacular. I was so impressed with how the story was played out, how all of the graphics done actually looked real (unlike the burly brawl between smith and neo in the first one), and the action....OOOOOOOHHHH THE ACTION! They are sure to get a nice fight scene nomination come oscar time. Maybe even Best Movie this time.

I have to recommend anyone wanting to go see it...if you can go see it in an imax. It was so great how the imax made the movie look and feel. It was definately worth the extra two bucks I spent to go to it instead of the regular theatres.

Was it just me or did that movie so set up for another sequal? I know they SAY that this was the last one, but a sequal would just play in so well.

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Plus, what's with the little girl and the sunrise? The oracle says she made it, but other than that we don't really have any idea of who or what she is. I swear...there HAS to be a sequal!

A trailer for it.

http://entertainment.msn.com/movies/movie.aspx?m=252

Damn you guys for already seeing it. I Fandango'd it last night and we are scheduled to see it tonight at 10:30p. I will be visiting this thread again later!

i didnt go see it. i was being sarcastic.

oh we can tell




:D ;)

In-fucking-credible...........damn, if you aren't impressed by this movie in anyway then check your pulse, it is likely you're dead and don't know it.

Those who saw pronbab;y asked the same question as me.


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I don't know...he sort of just faded away. I didn't think he died, but it sure didn't give us any for-sure outcome. That's why I suspect a sequal...so many loose ends to the story. PLUS...what are the machines going to use for power now? Humans? I can't see the human race going along with that plan.

Originally posted by testify
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I don't know...he sort of just faded away. I didn't think he died, but it sure didn't give us any for-sure outcome. That's why I suspect a sequal...so many loose ends to the story. PLUS...what are the machines going to use for power now? Humans? I can't see the human race going along with that plan.


I believe only those humans who want to be free will be free. They never said anything about letting everyone go. As for the loose ends you're right. The movie does leave many options for a sequel....the main being what happens to Neo. The oracle suspects they'll see him again but he looked dead to me after the battle.

I couldn't disagree with you guys more. I was very disappointed by it. By no means was it a bad movie, infact it was a fairly good one, but no where near what you guys are saying about it. The story was terrible, the ending was the worst ending I've ever seen, almost nothing was explained well, and that retarted scene with the neo's hand swinging and hitting Smith was the worst and funniest scene of all three movies.

Pros: Hugo Weaving is incredible, and Agent Smith will go down in history as one of the greatest bad guys ever. That speach he had when him and Neo were in the bottom of that pit was incredible. Good fighting between Smith and Neo except when it looked like a video game, but fortunately there wasn't much of that this time. Zion fight was sweet.

It'd be sweet if they made another Animatrix to explain everything.

Hope of a sequal?
I wouldn't count on it.
Loose ends? There was really only one if you look at what was brought up in the other movies.
As for the Oracle's comment at the end about seeing him again, refer to architect's speach from reloaded.

Guys, the movie sucked. Yes, it was a visual extravaganza, and the effects where good, but it was severely lacking in some points. First, the brothers seemed to make every effort of actually making a more deeply engrossing story line and instead seemed to coast off of what was already established. If they wanted a sequal, they had plenty of oppertunities to deepen the mystery.

Don't get me wrong. I'm a huge fan of the trilogy. Seen them all multiple times, spent hours discussing what the hell was going on and what possible explanations might be, and just got back from an IMAX showing of 3, but you gus need a reality check.

Ever looked at the script for the second? Its about 5 pages long. There was that little dialogue. What happened here is we all fell in love with the first one and accepted anythign they threw our way as for as sequals went.
The second was mainly a special effects bonaza and everthing that worked to further the plot in that movie could be put into 40 minutes, if that.
The third just tied up the loose ends. It explained what it had to to let movie goers walk away happy.
Christ, I could write a list about a page long on how to make three, and especially two, better.

Yeah, they were good movies, but they are done. A movie about what happens to Neo? What are you, blind? The war is over, smith is defeated; THERE ARE NO MORE BAD GUYS.

Any questions you still have, save one, are either your own making 'cause you don't like what they put in front of you and are in denial of it, or are so easily glossed over that they don't need to be explained.

So for all you folks. The matrix has you.
Only porblem is that it's over.
Wake up, and let it go.

Couldn't have put it better Mephura.

Originally posted by mgwisni
It'd be sweet if they made another Animatrix to explain everything.

That I will agree with. The side stories add alot of depth to the story that you don't get from just the trilogy.

Yeah, they were good movies, but they are done. A movie about what happens to Neo? What are you, blind? The war is over, smith is defeated; THERE ARE NO MORE BAD GUYS.

You're quite astute.

Any questions you still have, save one, are either your own making 'cause you don't like what they put in front of you and are in denial of it, or are so easily glossed over that they don't need to be explained.

Excuse me if i like my endings explained.

Don't get me wrong. I'm a huge fan of the trilogy. Seen them all multiple times, spent hours discussing what the hell was going on and what possible explanations might be, and just got back from an IMAX showing of 3

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Christ, I could write a list about a page long on how to make three, and especially two, better.

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but you gus need a reality check.


This doesn't add up.


We are only discussing the movie as entertainment. You seem to be more serious about this then anyone here.


So for all you folks. The matrix has you.
Only porblem is that it's over.
Wake up, and let it go.

I agree....let it go......its just a movie which promised good time and delievered. You didn't find it totally edearing and engrossing so no need to put others down.

I could've pulled a better conclusion out of my... HEY HEY, KIDS!

Seriously though, I think they purposely gave us an unsatisfactory
open ending because of the Matrix ONLINE game and other things
they have lined up to take more of our money.

My ending of choice:

Neo goes to the Source and sacrifices himself to destroy the
Matrix. We then see the agents, support programs and other
AIs fall dead. Various shots inside the Matrix: humans are all
dead on the ground. Skip to Zion and we see the same thing.
(Zion, in this case, was another level of the Matrix)

Screen fades to black and starts unzooming as we see a room
full of brains in vats. The machines feeding perceptual impulses
turn off and lights slowly dim to nothing. A delicious irony...

Originally posted by sargentlard

Excuse me if i like my endings explained.

If you needed that explained, you haven't been paying attention.
It was all laid out. About the only thing that could have made it any clearer is if they added a fifteen minute dialogue at the end in which a narator explains it all to you. Perhaps the brothers were just assuming you were actually listening to what the characters said, when they did bother to speak.

This doesn't add up.

Just because I like something doesn't mean I am blind to its short comings, and, in this case, the obvious.


We are only discussing the movie as entertainment. You seem to be more serious about this then anyone here.

I'm not the one saying there has to be a sequal when there is no reason for one (and nothign to base it on if there was), trying to find hiding meaning in the obvious, and complaining about going on about all the loose ends. There is only one thing they didn't explain clearly. Just one, and that one isn't all that important.

Serious? Hell, if you aren't serious, why are you jumping so quickly to defend when some one says its less than perfect?

I agree....let it go......its just a movie which promised good time and delievered. You didn't find it totally edearing and engrossing so no need to put others down.

Endearing and engrossing? Engrossing? To a point. Endearing? Most deffinately. Great, confusing, and needing another sequal? Not in the least.

Great? yes....needing another sequel? most definetly not.

I simply loved the movie and you didn't.....that's all.

I missed the first 10 minutes of the movie so someone please
explain something to me: how the HELL is it that Neo's power
extends in the real world ? A more precise question: triggering
the EMP himself led to his consciousness entering a buffer zone
between the real world and Matrix: does Neo have a wireless
connection or did they just leave that out in the open for us to
argue over like monkeys ?

That wold be the one point that I keep refering to. That is the one thing that was left very vague. However, all things concidered, it's easily overlooked.

Neo probably realises that the only way he could defeat all the thousands of agent smiths was to sacrifice himself.

Ive liked agent smith since the first movie, but in revolutions he goes absolutely INSANE. His acting was brilliant. My favourite line in the movie - ''what do you think i am - human?''

Matrix rev. gets 5 thumbs up from me. Brilliant movie.

btw - the return of the king trailer before the movie, looked seriously amazing.

All I have to say is: "At least we have Return of the King to look forward to."

Haven't seen Revolutions yet. Oh no! more smith vs neo fight scenes? Haven't we had enough of that? I was hoping smith and/or neo would evolve, disolve or switch sides. oh well, I'm going to watch it anyway and hopefully the action will be great. You guys are scaring me with the "open ending" discussion. That is one of the most annoying things for me. After investing 2 or 3 hrs, we're not rewarded with closure.
I'm not expecting anything "revolutionary". Matrix 1 was revolutionary.

Can we agree that we should celebrate the fact that the filmmakers are trying to create a world and that films do have great ideas and great action. After all, some Hollywood films just insult your intelligence. Just enjoy the ride folks, stop worrying about desired effects on your soul. :m:

Matrix 1 was revolutionary.

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Amen to that. 2 was a tad disappointing...but this one was a big letdown for me.

Nothing revolutionary about it. Actually, it seemed to take the most watered-down cliched approach possible. The christ-like metaphors and appeals to the human condition were, in retropect, to be expected I guess. The first movie was full of twist and turns, full of revelations. Who didn't fill a chill when you first saw the fields? It came out of nowhere. Nothing like that in this 3rd installment. I truly expected a higher explanation to the matrix. Anyone could have written the script to the third one.

Oh well it wasn't all bad. Action sequences didn't live up to 1st two overall...but the final fight was good in parts. The zion battle was excellent minus the rambo-like lines from the humans.

The most enjoyable aspect was agent smith by a longshot. More scene and time spent on him would have helped. I truly hoped for an ending where smith took over. That would have been cool.

Any love (**barf**) scenes? when and where? I need to know when to go out for popcorn.

Reloaded was tedious in far too many sequences for me to give it a hearty thumbs-up. I do give it a thumbs-up, though. The martial arts scenes were great and transferred well over to DVD; during the Burly Brawl you can see Neo's CGI foot stepping onto the side of Smith's face—quite humorous!

The scene with the Architect took some discussions to muddle through.

Was I afraid they'd opt for a Matrix-within-a-Matrix (e.g. 13th floor) ending? You betcha. Did they? You betcthey didn't.

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Yes, there was much symbology with Christianity, Buddhism, and Transcendental Meditation. The directors've always acknowledged that.

When Agent Smith called the Oracle 'Mom' I immediately thought of two references: Oedipus & Lucifer. In Reloaded the Architect admitted to being the father of the Matrix and alluded to their being a Mother. The Oracle seems to fit this category (even though the Architect said "Please" to Neo when Neo asked this question to him. I think the Architect was saying more like, "Uh, that's a given.") So, if Smith was her son, then it could be that Neo was also her son. Cain & Abel. Cain's offering to his parents was not what they wanted (spreading himself throughout the entire Matrix and beyond). Abel's offering (Jesus-like ultimate sacrifice) was to intervene for the masses. His proposal was accepted.

Also, Neo was intervening not only on behalf of Zion, but two other interdependent races. The sentient programs within the Matrix and the Machines without. If he had freed everyone from the Matrix then it would have killed all the programs within. Also, the Machines were still dependent on humans for energy. So it satisfies them as well.

99% of people will not wake up from the Matrix. Granted, if you had Neo fly around and alert everyone to how he was superhuman, you'd get a lot of converts. But is that really the right way to go about things? Wouldn't it better if they questioned on their own and came to their own conclusions? Apparently Neo thought it was.

By leaving those (like Cypher) still encased in the Matrix, he wasn't forcing anyone's hand. Yes, that meant that there would still be humans who were nothing but batteries for the great Machine, but it would also mean that at least they all had the choice. Which was the deal struck with the head machine guy at the end.

In that part where Neo makes his offer to destroy the Smiths in the Matrix, there was more Christian-specific symbology. When Neo was invigorated by the machine, there was an undeniable cross-shape emblazoned on his chest. Also, after he died, the machine said, "It is done." Which is what Christ was supposed to have said on the cross before he gave up the ghost.

It's my belief that the Oracle was playing on Neo's desires for her own benefit. (Duh, of course.) But get this—in Reloaded, the Architect said that Neo's love was for Trinity instead of Zion. The Oracle knew that Trinity had a great affinity for all of Zion, so she would be a great pawn to get Neo to make the ultimate sacrifice. The Oracle's ulterior motives weren't all that sinister though; she wanted Zion to live as well as the Matrix to continue. So she needed an interlocutor between the Matrix and the Machines. Neo fit the bill.

And, finally, by her saying to Sati that they'd see Neo again someday, it doesn't lend itself (necessarily) to another sequel, but to her beliefs. Seraph asked if she knew all along; she didn't, but she believed. Since she also believes that they will see Neo someday, it stands to reason that, in her mind, she knows it will come to pass. Because, hey, she is the Oracle.

And when the Architect is asked whether he will honor his word about freeing all those 'that want to be freed' he replies, "Of course. Do you think I am human?" This is not him giving a vague answer so he can have a way out and just kill Zion tomorrow morning. This is him, as a machine, governed by 1's & 0's, saying that when he makes a decision he sees it through to the end. Which is not the case with humans, naturally.
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So, yes, I did enjoy this movie quite a bit. Perhaps I've read far too much into it than should be. But I'm under the impression that's what the directors wanted anyway.

I've just watched the film last night and I wish it was a better film:

1. It still hadn't explained how Neo could use his power in the real world over the sentinels.

2. The way the war was brought to an end was, to me, a big let down. After all the blood that's been spilled, Neo walks up to the supreme machine and offer a deal - peace in exchange for Neo fighting the out-of-control Agent Smith. Is that all the humans want - peace? I thought a large part of their struggle was to free the humans still cluelessly hooked onto the Matrix. Are they going to settle just for peace and forget about the rest of their fellow humans?

3. From the machines' cold and calculative point of view, there's no reason not to screw the humans after Neo delivered his end of the bargain and destroy Agent Smith. The machines have nothing to lose by completely destroying Zion. Heck, it's not as if the machines has a guilty concsience. The machines however, have everything to risk by trusting the humans to honor the peace deal and co-exist peacefully. Haven't they learned their lessons in the Animatrix? It was the human that first drove the machines underground from which they struck back.

4. Also, no one in Zion knows that Neo struck a peace deal with the machines. And from the looks of it, Neo was dead at the end of the movie. So how do the people in Zion know they have a peace deal to honor? After they have re-built Zion, they are just going to go into the Matrix and free more humans and start the struggle all over again. So the machines should have really screwed Neo and went after everyone after Neo's gone.

5. Just what happened in the final showdown between Neo and Agent Smith? Agent Smith struck Neo, converts him into another Agent Smith only to disentegrate from the inside along with other copies of Agent smith as well as the original Smith. After the dust settles, we see Oracle's body on the ground. So who destroyed Agent Smith - Neo or Oracle? And how?

6. I don't quite get the whole thing with the Indian girl Sati. She's an off-spring of a couple of programs who went to see the Frenchman to get her out of the Matrix so that she won't get deleted. This much is explained early on in the film where Neo meets her in the subway station between the Matrix world and the real world. Subsequently, she boards the train and the next time we see her, she is back in the Matrix at Oracle's home. I though she was supposed to get OUT of the Matrix.

7. In the final scene, the Architect tells the Oracle that those (humans) who wants to leave the Matrix will be released. This, in the long run is in conflict with the Machines's survival. How are they going to survive if they start losing their battery supply? I find it odd and illogical that the machines would be willing to do this. There was no reason to do this after Agent Smith and Neo was gone.

I missed about 2 min of the film when I rushed off to the loo (I think it was during the final Zion council meeting when the humans thought all hope was lost after the Sentinels start breaching the city). Did I miss anything important in those 2 min that could have answered my questions?

SoLiDus - I like your ending very much. I would have gone for an ending like that. In fact, after watching Matrix Reloaded, I was hoping that Zion was in fact a second Matrix and see how the film-makers follow that up. Too bad the third film reveals that pretty much of what the Architect said in the second film was gibberish...(sigh)

Having seen both sequels, I think the intergrity of the whole Matrix idea would have been better served if the film-makers stopped at the first film. I wonder if the two sequels were really after-thoughts.

Matrix Revolutions= The best looking CLICHE RIP-OFF fest every put on film!

The closing theme song is actually a Sanskrit closing prayer or chant if you will as follows

asato ma sad gamaya
tamaso ma jyotir gamaya
mrtyor mamrtam gamaya

Translation: From delusion lead me to truth
From darkness lead me to light
From death lead me to immortality.

I could not hear the rest...

The Indian family touch was nice. After all, probably over half of the software programmers in the world are Indians....

The movie sucked, guys. The action was cool, but it just sucked. The only good scene was the beginning, in the train station--the little girl was cool, and her parents were nice and interesting. They're the only goddamn people in the movie I actually cared about, and I have no idea what happened to them.

As for everything else, it was just bland bland bland bland bland. The people were fake, they were so, so fake, during the battle the guy either said "what the hell is going on?" or "goddamnit!" during virtually every scene he was in. I just wanted to stand there and say "I don't know what's going on, sir, they're fucking machines."

Beyond that, it didn't really resolve the franchise at all for me. It just didn't end. Goddamnit. It's so fucking lame, the action was cool but I didn't care about who won because the human characters could have been blocks of cardboard with mean faces painted on them and it wouldn't have made any difference. Hell, I wanted the machines to win, they looked just awesome, way cooler than the lame, struggling humans whose vocabulary didn't seem to extend beyond "what the hell is happening?" or "goddamnit!"

I liked the movie. It didn't disappoint me, but I wasn't completely blown away either. I enter a movie hoping to be entertained. If it happens to be spectactular, so much the better. However, I think we have to make our own decisions regarding how phenomenal a movie is. Don't let hype and public opinion sway you then be surprised when it wasn't everything you thought it should be.

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I completely agree with pragmathen. I thought his post summed up the movie brilliantly.

stopwatch, here's what I saw (just my opinions):
2. The way the war was brought to an end was, to me, a big let down. After all the blood that's been spilled, Neo walks up to the supreme machine and offer a deal - peace in exchange for Neo fighting the out-of-control Agent Smith. Is that all the humans want - peace? I thought a large part of their struggle was to free the humans still cluelessly hooked onto the Matrix. Are they going to settle just for peace and forget about the rest of their fellow humans?
Not everyone will be released. Just the ones that want to be, like the Oracle and the Architect discussed. The majority of the people will remain plugged in because they don't want to accept the real reality. They want the steak like Cypher in the orginal.

3. From the machines' cold and calculative point of view, there's no reason not to screw the humans after Neo delivered his end of the bargain and destroy Agent Smith. The machines have nothing to lose by completely destroying Zion. Heck, it's not as if the machines has a guilty concsience. The machines however, have everything to risk by trusting the humans to honor the peace deal and co-exist peacefully. Haven't they learned their lessons in the Animatrix? It was the human that first drove the machines underground from which they struck back.
The machines will risk nothing by trusting humans. They can still wipe out the humans at anytime, which they would have done without the intervention of Neo. This just shows that machines are willing to forgive and give humans a second chance and life and coexistence, which the humans didn't give the machines in the Animatrix. When they make a promise, they keep it.

6. I don't quite get the whole thing with the Indian girl Sati. She's an off-spring of a couple of programs who went to see the Frenchman to get her out of the Matrix so that she won't get deleted. This much is explained early on in the film where Neo meets her in the subway station between the Matrix world and the real world. Subsequently, she boards the train and the next time we see her, she is back in the Matrix at Oracle's home. I though she was supposed to get OUT of the Matrix.
I think the whole Sati situation shows that loves is not indicative to the human race. Machines can love as well (within the context of the movie) which shows that we are more alike than we care to believe. Love is the most powerful thing, stronger than death (having saved Trinity once), and since machines can have it we have no more right subjugating them than they do us.

I do have one issue with the movie. The new Agent Smith is the direct result of Neo's intervention. So, he's just cleaning up his own mess and this save's Zion?

Originally posted by methylcellulose
I do have one issue with the movie. The new Agent Smith is the direct result of Neo's intervention. So, he's just cleaning up his own mess and this save's Zion?

This may not be entirely corect, but makes sense with the architect's speach from two and some of the dialogue from three.

From the A: (to neo)You are the remainder of an unbalanced equation.
Someone in 3: Systems want ot balance themselves.

Smith was neo's opposite and equal.
It was the system's way of balancing that inequality. If either of the two had persisted, the matrix would die in one way or the other. The architect said as much.
If we consider what he (A) said to the oracle at the end of 3, we can assume he wouldn't lie. The only way for the matrix to survive was the mutual destruction of both of them.

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In the end, neo returned to the source as the architect said he must. The difference being how he did it. He held out and forced the machines into a deal. That deal being beneficial for both parties.

Yes, oh yes, I have asked it and I wish the Wachowiski Brothers could tell me if they reached their goal, which was undoubtedly to make every other line something cliche, yet idiosyncratic.

I am going to see the movie again so I can count the number of times someone said something that was supposed to be profound and epic, yet was merely a cliche line twisted from its use in an innumerable amount of other movies.

Moreove their philosophical enlightenment saga turned into the "Bible on Acid" as the sequels were pumped out of every orifice the writers could handle.

The script was poorly written, many times throwing in some pun or play on words that failed to be funny followed by someone saying "goddammit" which also failed to be humorus.

The Plot, decent(used generously), yet wavared from its apparent original tone, is what was supposed to be the grand end to an originally great story.

The characters, ingeniuously shoddy and unrealistic, if not utterly moronic. The only chracter I truly thought was worthy of paying 8.50 to see and hear is Agent Smith. But to add to that, he was in the 2+ hour movie for 25 minutes max.

Ending....

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Well it ends like this...

Neo/Jesus Christ "our" Savior is sacrificed by his father the source/God/a mechanized sea urchin to save man and machine from sin/agent smith.

As neo dies a giant cross is made in his chest and around him, then for some reason what looked like(from a glance) a menorah pops out of nowhere in a pattern of light. Then he is carried off by the sea people/machines, outstreched as if just crucified. Nerdy kid with a high voice proceeds to run about zion screeching in a defeaning 10 year old boy's pitch "the war is over!" because everyone is too dumbfounded by the fact that the sentinels took all the time to get down there to simply stop attacking because Neo said "hey we lowly humans just want peace man(referring to the sea urchin), no need for you crazy machines to be so mean" consequently stopping a 100 year war. They were in such a bewildered state that they didnt even realize that in effect to the fact that the sentinels had stopped attacking it inevitably meant it was over.... even though something similar had happened less than 2 hours before(relative to them of course), and the senitels just came back and attacked again fourfold.

Denouement...

Little girl asks oracle where Jesus is and if they will ever see him again, seeing that he was carried away by the sea people in such a great haste. Oracle says "He'll come back one day" which could have also been said as "read Revelations in the bible and you will see he is coming back to take his children".

Philosophy...

Life is meaningless, emotion is a construct of the human mind, and faith and choice are all that matter, and most importantly a movie isnt good unless its as subtley cliche as possible.

To be conitnued....

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Originally posted by stopwatch

6. I don't quite get the whole thing with the Indian girl Sati. She's an off-spring of a couple of programs who went to see the Frenchman to get her out of the Matrix so that she won't get deleted. This much is explained early on in the film where Neo meets her in the subway station between the Matrix world and the real world. Subsequently, she boards the train and the next time we see her, she is back in the Matrix at Oracle's home. I though she was supposed to get OUT of the Matrix.

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With Sati, they were trying to get her out of the machine world mainframe and into the matrix. Its kinda like, you have something on your computer that you want but if your parents see it they will delete it, so you load it up onto the internet so that even if it is deleted on your computer you can still go back to it in cyberspace. thats how I see it anyway.

i dont think that they could do a sequel unless they leave Neo out. He has no reason to live. He came back in the first movie because of the love between him and trinity. but trinity is now dead, so he has no reason to come back to life. Love is everything to him and without it he has no reason to come back.
I thought the Oracle said that they would see "the One" again. Well the matrix was rebooted in the end, therefore I think its plausible that its a "new"matrix like the architect was talking about in the 2nd film. Therefore if thats true, then there is a different algorithm or equation, and therefore a different anomoly to that equation/algorithm so that there is a possibility for another "one". Thats how I see it.

Good movie though....inspired me to actually buy the second one...so that I have it when the third comes out.

Who knows. Perhaps Neo was resurrected, and will come back on judgment day.

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This is a load of gar. You must be insane to even come into this thread before watching the movie thinking that you will not see any spoilers. I don't watch any ads for movies I already know I am going to see. I didn't see a single preview for this movie. Nor do I see any preview for most movies I watch. Previews are spoilers. Any form of discussion related to the movie is a spoiler. If you are planning on watching this movie, I suggest you get out of this thread period.

Originally posted by sargentlard
You're quite astute.

No. I guess you neglected to mention that the machines still use humans for batteries. The only way there will cease to be an enemy is when they truly live in peace, and no human is being used in such a manner.

Originally posted by dsdsds
Any love (**barf**) scenes? when and where? I need to know when to go out for popcorn.
I liked the love scenes.

Originally posted by pragmathen
It's my belief that the Oracle was playing on Neo's desires for her own benefit. (Duh, of course.) But get this—in Reloaded, the Architect said that Neo's love was for Trinity instead of Zion. The Oracle knew that Trinity had a great affinity for all of Zion, so she would be a great pawn to get Neo to make the ultimate sacrifice. The Oracle's ulterior motives weren't all that sinister though; she wanted Zion to live as well as the Matrix to continue. So she needed an interlocutor between the Matrix and the Machines. Neo fit the bill.

Maybe you are reading too much into it. The Oracle is just the Oracle. Nothing more.

Originally posted by methylcellulose
I enter a movie hoping to be entertained.
My point exactly. My friend that I went with said that he didn’t like the movie at all. He’s really a big fan of the first one. I myself thought the first one had much more of a structure to it.
He understood some of the Indian that they were chanting during the credits. It was something like everything being an illusion.

Originally posted by stopwatch
6. I don't quite get the whole thing with the Indian girl Sati.
Which Indian girl?! Not once in the movie was there a mention of anybody from India.

http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=30293

Read it. Until then I will put spoiler edits in for you.

The first post in this thread is a total spoiler.

Originally posted by cool skill
Which Indian girl?! Not once in the movie was there a mention of anybody from India.

Sigh....maybe this is more politically correct: the programme that resembles a little girl of Indian origin.

The one who was waiting at the train station together with her parents where they met Neo early on in the film. If I recall correctly, they even introduced themselves with Indian sounding names.

But you're right, they never said they were from India.

The first post in this thread is a total spoiler.

In you don't like it then protest it in Site Feedback.

I could care less. All I'm saying is that there is no point in warning people about spoilers because they know damn well that if they haven't seen the movie, reading anything in a thread about the movie will spoil it.

The fact that the thread is the title of the movie means you sould stay away from it if you don't want to know anything about the movie before you watch it. Putting spoiler in every post is redundant when the entire thread is a spoiler itself.

Originally posted by stopwatch
Sigh....maybe this is more politically correct: the programme that resembles a little girl of Indian origin.
How about saying the little girl Sati that these racists that created the film shoved at us as a minority character?

Did you ever notice that they hired a white guy that didn't know any martial arts to play Neo?
Why didn't they hire an actor like Jakie Chan or somebody that really knew how to fight so that when he says in the first one, "I know kung fu," it really shows?

This movie made absolutely no sense to me. Maybe some of you people who seem to love it so much can explain it to me.

1. How is Neo able to use his powers in the real world?

2. How was Neo able to be in the matrix without being plugged in?

3. What happened at the end? Why was the master machine (or whatever it was) able to kill Smith? Smith had already taken over plenty of other people who the machine god had access to, why not just use one of them?

These aren't exactly minor points…

Neo allowed Smith to copy himself onto him and Neo was connected to the machines at that time. My guess is, the machines were then able to figure out how to decode Smith - and thats what happened - Smith was decoded and sent back to the source.

The fact that the thread is the title of the movie means you sould stay away from it if you don't want to know anything about the movie before you watch it. Putting spoiler in every post is redundant when the entire thread is a spoiler itself.

Cool Skill, sometimes people post what we like to call reviews. That way other members of this website can determine if they're going to see it or not. If you don't like the rule, then post somewhere else. Most people put spoiler alerts in anyways as a common curtsey. Read the sticky called "Old New Rule" and you'll find several reasons as to why spoiler alerts are necessary.

Here, I'll put in the reasons anyways:

# Some movies are released in the States first, and in Britain later.
# Some people haven't seen the movie yet.
# People who search google can pull up this page by accident and ruin the movies for themselves.
# Members on this board like to hear about how good/horrible a movie is. They may trod into your thread and read spoilers instead of reviews.

One thing that I found unconvincing was Oracle's change of appearance. Granted, they had to find someone else to play her since the original actress passed away (I remember reading this somewhere) but why bother acknowledging the change in the storyline if they are going the replace her with someone who looks more or less like the original Oracle?

Now if they had Oracle come back totally different - a man or a child, that would have been much more original and sounded less like a convenient excuse for the change in actress.
Neo allowed Smith to copy himself onto him and Neo was connected to the machines at that time. My guess is, the machines were then able to figure out how to decode Smith - and thats what happened - Smith was decoded and sent back to the source
airavata, the more I think about it, the more I think your interpretation makes sense. But why was Oracle's body lying on the ground after Smith's destruction. What role did Oracle play in Smith's destruction?

Originally posted by cool skill
Why didn't they hire an actor like Jakie Chan or somebody that really knew how to fight so that when he says in the first one, "I know kung fu," it really shows?
Jackie Chan as Neo? Hmmm, interesting thought. But I doubt audiences can keep a straight face if Jackie start sprouting profound lines like "Every begining has an end". But if Jackie Chan were to play Neo, only one person can play Morpheus - Chris Tucker.

I think Solidus was right when he said that Revolutions' nebulous ending was designed to leave the "universe" open for future marketing opportunities. There's a new online game that takes place after Revolutions, which comes out next year, and assorted comics, etc. I'm sure we'll see crappy dimestore novels and other merchandise.

I don't think the movie really requires any explanation, although I would like an explaination at to how anything so goddamn horrible could be released in theaters.

It's all been said I realize, but it had a worthless ending, overblown effects, uninspired story and performances, and stupid, stupid machines. You know, if I were an organic, flowing mass of 50,000+ armored killing machines attacking the city of my enemy I would make my best effort to break stuff, and possibly kill people. The sentinels in Revolutions just flew around in pretty circles and picked off stragglers.

Originally posted by airavata
Neo allowed Smith to copy himself onto him and Neo was connected to the machines at that time. My guess is, the machines were then able to figure out how to decode Smith - and thats what happened - Smith was decoded and sent back to the source. But Smith had already copied himself into many people who were connected to the machines. Why didn't the machines use one of them?

Maybe they needed the One and Smith decoded at the same time? I really don't know... i'm just guessing.

As far as neo using his powers in the real world....

It is stated that neo came from the source and so he must return to the source, which is what he decides to do in order to defeat smith. My take on it is that he realizes part of this truth at the end of the 2nd movie, which is why he destroyed the sentinels with the wave of a hand. Thats also why he was laying on the table, not jacked in, but still inside the matrix. In effect, as somone postulated before, he has a wireless connection to the matrix. Thus explaining the fact that he cant see because his eyes are burnt up, but he sees that orange vision crap. He has some type of wireless connection to the matrix, or its a part of him... something to that effect. I mean, he does still have machine componets to him like Trinity and Morpheous does, right? Thats how they jack back into the matrix.

Simply put, NO SEQUEL will or was ever better than the first matrix. You cant make a better movie than the first matrix. Why?
Because after not having any good movies for like 2 years, no original story line, or anything, a movie called The Matrix pops up out of absolutely no where (it was kept under wraps for awhile), bursts onto the scene with an A.) Original Story Line, B.) Awesome special effects, C.) A story line incorporating religion and philosophy.

After that, everyone has formed their opinion and own decision on how the story line should continue. So after the first one, where there a solid base of core fans, you come out with a second one and third, it becomes impossible to please everyone because everyone already has formed their own ideas on how it should go.

SO, AGAIN, the first matrix is obviously and undeniably the best one.

And quickly, I would have been disappointed if everything was explained with such detail, that nothing would be left up to the imagination. Thats what makes a movie or book really fantastic, when you can fill in the little crevices with your own personal views and beliefs. Its also what makes a movie or book so much more appealing to a wider range of people. And generally its done in sequels. why? Well I already told you why, because after the first one, everyone has an opionion on how it should continue.


Think about it.


Later
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Originally posted by Nasor
But Smith had already copied himself into many people who were connected to the machines. Why didn't the machines use one of them?

My guess is that is has to do with the architect speach, and the bit about the system trying to balance itself (oracle?).

Neo was the remainder of an unbalanced equation, and that created disturbances in the matrix.
The matrix was trying to balance itself, so created smith, specifically the version of smith that came into being when neo entered him. (in other words, smith's code was modified by this contact with neo's to become his opposite. Neo jumped into agent smith. Now smith can jump into people.)

neo is the 1 and smith is the -1. They had to destroy each other. It was the only way to balance things. The machines couldn't use anyone else because they weren't the one.

Originally posted by stopwatch
But if Jackie Chan were to play Neo, only one person can play Morpheus - Chris Tucker.
Hell ya!
That would be funny as hell.
The problem still lies with the fact that these people that were picked to play the lead roles in a kung fu movie didn't even know any kung fu. They all had to go through all this training. It was completely retarded of them to do so. They really should have picked real kung fu masters to play these parts so that the movie would be more realistic and exciting. I don't know much about martial arts, but even I could tell that the fighting in the Matrix was much more clumsy than the fighting in other martial arts movies. Even American martial arts movies.
Second, they wouldn't have had to waste so much extra time on all the extra training if they hired real kung fu masters to play the part. There are lots of kung fu masters out there that can act just as well if not better than the actors that were chosen.

On the matter of kung fu specialists, I think they chose Keanu Reeves because he's just a sexy, sexy man. (<= Okay, I'm just kidding there.)
I liked how they (being the W brothers) were able to bring in totally inexperienced people and make them fight. The incorporation of wire fighting into American cinema is just something else that the W brothers are introducing as revolutionary along with bullet time technology, etc. They're just saying "hey, look what everyone else has ignored". Then, they did it a second, and a third time (and by then it wasn't new anymore).

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Mephura:

Sounds about right. Mathematically, Neo is a cumulative whole-number remainder from an equation designed to balance integral human will with the control imposed by the environment of the Matrix. If Smith is the opposite of that, the two added together equal zero, negating their mutual presence in the Matrix.

Metaphysically, Neo is the embodiment of human will to choose, to guide one's destiny, to live. Smith is the nihilistic opposite, existing only to destroy life, to move all things toward "the inevitable", where will and choice are irrelevant. Again, they negate one another. The machines used the fact that Neo was jacked in as a means of catalysing this "addition", rather than Smith simply overwriting Neo's mind.

Now, here's where I think things get fuzzy: the machines use Neo to delete Smith (and vice versa). We see Neo carted off by the giant machine slab, still jacked in, and we see it in orange "neovision". Now, I presume that Neo was reinserted into the Matrix/equation as the Architect said he had to be in his big speech, and that this is what set things right in the Matrix (rubble being cleared away, etc). But I wonder, does Neo's conciousness still exist in the Matrix? Or the real world? I assume so, since we see Neo's exit through his own eyes (or at least his weird orange vision). Does this mean he has moved to a higher level of being/conciousness? Does he now dwell bodiless in the Matrix? Is Neo the Starchild? Had it not been for the neovision at the end (and the Oracle "suspecting" that everyone would see Neo again) I would have assumed that he was brain-fried. Guess not.

Maybe we'll learn more from The Matrix Online, not that the Wachowski brothers will get another dime out of me.

Originally posted by mgwisni
Pros: Hugo Weaving is incredible, and Agent Smith will go down in history as one of the greatest bad guys ever. That speach he had when him and Neo were in the bottom of that pit was incredible.
YES! Totally man.
It almost seemed smith's dialogue was from a different writer than the rest of the movie, to me everything he said was spot on, in all 3 movies in fact, smith was the most logical character and talked so much sense, he didn't seem like bad guy to me.
In a way his speach in that pit just made everything else pointless. In my eyes he "won" the whole battle with that speach alone.
Also hugo weavings facial expressions rock, agent smith is without a doubt one of the best characters in movie history.
The rest of the movie, I enjoyed but it was kind of cheesy, how many times did they go on about love in a really annoying way? "I can tell you are in love" etc, there were so many stupid sentences like that.

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BTW I'm pretty sure neo died, me and my friends were arguing about it but i thought it was pretty obvious, I thought that robot thing was going to eat him, that would have been cool, haha, if it had a woodchipper device on its back and just lifted his carcass up and feeded him into it. Hey it would have been better than nothing which is what we got.

Anyway, the matrices are awesome even if only for agent smith's harshly stiff reality checks.
He is by far the best thing to come from this movie series and an agent smith spinoff movie would be awesome.

Originally posted by Dr Lou Natic
It almost seemed smith's dialogue was from a different writer than the rest of the movie
The cliche lines that the humans were sprouting were so irritating that I was actually rooting for the Sentinels & Smith to win and silence them. There's only so many "I believe in you, Neo" that one can take. How did the dialogue degrade to such a level? It wasn't this bad in the second film.

I really have no other way of saying this but watch the movie the second time and it will hit you at how perfect the ending is. It absolutely makes sense but on a bigger level. Try not to care about the fate of the characters but try to understand the ending on a bigger level. I can't say trust me but if you try it does makes very much sense.


I panned the movie for its ending but i take back what i said.....the ending is crystal clear once the movie is seen again and the key scenes are heard closely and watched with attention for minute details.


Mephura you were right and i apologize to you for my defensive reply earlier.

He is by far the best thing to come from this movie series and an agent smith spinoff movie would be awesome.

Indeed. I hope they make a movie like that. That would rock.

That film is amazing. No complaints. Well hardly any.

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I would have liked a little more clarity on the whole 'is Neo dead?' thing and why Neo was seeing everything Orange, but, to be fair during the film I was so distracted by the amazing special effects that I didn't even notice that they hadn't explained it. Oh and I didn't find myself caring that much when Trinity died, but that was possibly because I never liked her anyway.

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I saw it twice out of obligation, and I maintain that the ending was crap. It's clear enough what happens, it just isn't good.

Yeah, the cycle had a different resolution this time than it did the last five times, but it continues. So in the "big picture" nothing was resolved. I don't think the crappiness of it had anything to do with the deaths or fates of the characters. It had to do with sheer stupidity. When the Smiths light up like Christmas trees and start to explode I was inwardly saying to myself "the real reason the Wachowski brothers never go on camera is because they are five and six years of age respectively, and cannot legally work in the united states". It was utterly childish. "Everything that has a beginning has an end"? WHAT ended? The cycle could begin again at any time. The happy little computer program family at the film's conclusion? Could you get any more trite? Worthless. I won't even go into how one armored robot with two 30mm cannons was able to hold off 25,000 flying death machines at a time, or how the sentinals flew around endlessly without doing much of anything, except getting shot. Or how the dialogue stank to high heaven. Or how stupid Neo's conversation with the giant Wizard of Oz face was. Or how Trinity took 20 minutes to die impaled in three places by random, apparently sharp cables.

I don't think anything about the movie was unclear. Just really fucking horrible.

Originally posted by sargentlard
I really have no other way of saying this but watch the movie the second time and it will hit you at how perfect the ending is. It absolutely makes sense but on a bigger level. Try not to care about the fate of the characters but try to understand the ending on a bigger level. I can't say trust me but if you try it does makes very much sense.


I panned the movie for its ending but i take back what i said.....the ending is crystal clear once the movie is seen again and the key scenes are heard closely and watched with attention for minute details.Ok, I can accept the ending. I'm still not at all clear on how Neo was able to be in the matrix without being plugged in, or how he was able to use his powers in the real world.

Originally posted by sargentlard
Mephura you were right and i apologize to you for my defensive reply earlier.

Thanks..
Sorry about jumping down your throat like that. I just didn't seee what everyone was so confused over and why people were beeging for another one. To me, it seemed like they had wrapped things up pretty well.

Well, it all depends on what you look for in a movie. If you like fight scenes half full of badly animated CGI cartoons running around, and a plot which plays at being insightful by throwing around philosophical jargon- this movie is for you. In my opinion, the two sequels are good examples of pretentious garbage.

Originally posted by methylcellulose
The incorporation of wire fighting into American cinema is just something else that the W brothers are introducing as revolutionary along with bullet time technology, etc. They're
I think the wire fighting is great. My problem is with the ditzes that they strapped onto those wires.

Originally posted by Mephura
As for the Oracle's comment at the end about seeing him again, refer to architect's speach from reloaded.
Mephura, I've just gone over the dialogue transcript for Matrix Reloaded and I couldn't find anything in the Architect's speech that would throw a light on Oracle's comment about seeing Neo again. Could you perhaps enlighten me a bit?

Ok, I can accept the ending. I'm still not at all clear on how Neo was able to be in the matrix without being plugged in, or how he was able to use his powers in the real world.

Actually we never see Neo use his powers in the real world. The only time we see Neo use his powers is in the matrix. We see him fly, we see him do kung fu, and we see him sense things. Never in the real world do we see him do things like that, except sense things. He can sense the sentinels because they're machines. He's got a freakin wireless connection in the back of his head! It's blue tooth tech man, I swear!

umm coffee,
how about the stopping of the sentinels at the end of two and when he blows up all the bots towards the end of three by waving his hand?

Coffee, I think there were two instances where Neo demonstrated he had the power to stop the Sentinels in the real world - one during the end of the second film and another one towards the end of the third film where Neo was in a ship with Trinity flying towards the machines. I thought this was quite obvious...unless I mis-read those two scenes.

The explanation for that is:
neo is magic:rolleyes:

Originally posted by Dr Lou Natic
The explanation for that is:
neo is magic:rolleyes: No kidding. I think at one point in the movie Neo specifically asks the oracle how he was able to stop sentinels in the real world. She gives a completely nonsensical answer about 'the one being connected to the source' or something like that. It's never actually explained.

The first movie was great because it had a lot of philosophy and religious allegory in it and it made sense. They actually had a rational explanation for everything that happened. I am HUGELY disappointed that they resorted to 'it's magic' in the third movie. It's like the W brothers couldn't figure out a way to locically resolve the situation they had created, so they just gave up on having their story make sense.

Originally posted by stopwatch
Coffee, I think there were two instances where Neo demonstrated he had the power to stop the Sentinels in the real world - one during the end of the second film and another one towards the end of the third film where Neo was in a ship with Trinity flying towards the machines. I thought this was quite obvious...unless I mis-read those two scenes.

I mistated my late night post, my bad. The real reason why Neo can sense the robots is because... Hey look, a dog with a puffy tail!

No really. Neo can't fly in the real world. The only power that we see him use is his power to stop sentinels. Other then that he has no matrix-ish powers in the real world. Like I said before, he has a wireless connection that doesn't extend that far. (If his connection went any further couldn't he just blow up the machine city?)

Originally posted by CounslerCoffee
No really. Neo can't fly in the real world. The only power that we see him use is his power to stop sentinels. Other then that he has no matrix-ish powers in the real world. Like I said before, he has a wireless connection that doesn't extend that far. (If his connection went any further couldn't he just blow up the machine city?)

I agree. I'm still trying to come up with a better answer for the wireless bit. I mean if he had wireless, why bother having him jacked in in the first place?

Most of the stuff had reasonable, if not realistic (but who really cares. Its a movie), explanations. That one thing just bothers the hell out of me.

Hmm.... I feel like the answer is right there in front of me and I am just looking way too hard for it.

Hey Meph, etc, I think the reason is easy and mentioned amongst these:
http://www.msnbc.com/news/980793.asp?cp1=1

Face it people....the brothers got too excited with reloaded and created too many questions to be answered in one movie......they did the best they could with one ending but it'll follow with merchandising to explain the whole story. Coming to a comic book store near you.

Originally posted by Dr Lou Natic
neo is magic
Actually, Neo is Johnny Mnemonic.

http://www.antonraubenweiss.com/gibson/images/jmgame_small.jpg


See. After realizing that the real world is really a second matrix, Johnny M. wakes up in the real real world.
Oh ah.

What baffles me about Neo being able to blow up sentinels/see in the real world with no explanation given is that it wasn't at all critical to the plot, they could have just not had him blinded, and have them escape the sentinels without him blowing them up. Its like they intentionally created a hole in their plot where none was needed.

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Mephura: If you remember the first film, a lot of the plot was Neo's journey to becoming the One, and Revloutions/Reloaded involve Neo choosing to stop simply knowing the path, and start walking the path. So when his journey began, he didn't have wireless...or at least wasn't aware of it. The Source was described as the "machine mainframe" in the second movie, which means that if his power "reaches all the way back to the source" as the Oracle stated it did in Rev, he would have considerable power over/against machines in both the Matrix and the real world.

jps: I think the whole sentinel-shorting thing was necessary to show that Neo DID have power in the real world. If we didn't have some other demonstration of his "super powers", I'm sure his "wireless connection" would have seemed even MORE weird and out of place.

The Buddha anaolgies and Platonic references are rampant throughout the trilogy. Keeping this in mind, it would make sense that Neo would have to transcend/elevate his conciousness beyond the world of illusions (The Matrix) and that this would also give him power in the real world.

BTW, Neo uses his "wireless connection" to disable Sentinels in the 2nd film. In the 3rd he uses in to disable sentinels, prematurely detonate TOW bombs (launched from the Machine city), "see" energy without the use of his eyes (neovision) and enter the Matrix without being jacked in. It also seems to me that he uses his power to diffuse/deflect the explosive effects of the TOW bombs and plasma blasts when he and Trinity fly through the Machines' defenses in Revolutions...I don't think the Logos could have flown through those fires without his help.

Interesting also that their ship is called the Logos...according to Platonic theory the logos is the part of the mind that reasons, and is able to transcend the illusory, physical world.

Whether or not the rabbit hole ran that deep or I'm just making shit up, I guess we'll find out when they publish "The Matrix and Philosophy: Volume II". It still doesn't make Revolutions less lame.

Walker, what is a TOW bomb?

Originally posted by Walker
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jps: I think the whole sentinel-shorting thing was necessary to show that Neo DID have power in the real world. If we didn't have some other demonstration of his "super powers", I'm sure his "wireless connection" would have seemed even MORE weird and out of place.

BTW, Neo uses his "wireless connection" to disable Sentinels in the 2nd film. In the 3rd he uses in to disable sentinels, prematurely detonate TOW bombs (launched from the Machine city), "see" energy without the use of his eyes (neovision) and enter the Matrix without being jacked in. It also seems to me that he uses his power to diffuse/deflect the explosive effects of the TOW bombs and plasma blasts when he and Trinity fly through the Machines' defenses in Revolutions...I don't think the Logos could have flown through those fires without his help.

Yeah, but none of those things were particularly important to the plot. Why include the whole flying through the fire thing? Why not have them just come up through a tunnel into the city, have him beat smith(in the real world) without getting blinded, and get away from the sentinels on their own. The movie would have been little changed without the wireless aspect. That being so, its apparent that the writeres went out of their way to include it, but failed to explain it in an adequate way. Perhaps they were leaving it to be explained in the online game, or perhaps it was some sort of statement about mind over matter not being a principle confined to the matrix, or something totally different. Either way, as I see it, it moved the matrix out of the realm of improbable science fiction and into the realm of fantasy needlessly

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Can some1 please explain to me why Neo sees the world in orange! I just do not understand. I've seen it twice now + I'm still missing something.

(haven't seen revolutions yet) Neo sees the world in orange? Like the amber screens of 15 years ago? Also, why is the matrix .. uhmm what do you call it .. characters scrolling down the screen in monochrome? Not enough memory left over in the graphic cards?

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stopwatch: TOW bombs are the explosive bomb machines that are thrown by Sentinels in Reloaded and launched by the machine city's defenses in Revolutions. They are referred to as TOW bombs on The Matrix website.

jps: I don't think Neo would've had much credibility as a saviour if he was only able to do extrordinary things insdide the Matrix. The "wireless connection" was also a necessary plot point because without it Neo would never have fallen into the hands of the Merovingian, and hence, never have required the rescue effort from Trinity and Morpheus. They also never would've got that dramatic "head shot" of Neo and Bane at the end of Revolutions. I think Neo's persistent connection with the machines also makes it more plausible that Neo isn't completely or confirmably dead, as the Oracle indicated at the end of the 3rd film. He may be somewhere inside the machine world.

When you say they could have done things differently, you are right. Neo didn't necessarily need to have powers in the real world, but for that matter they could've done a lot of other stuff differently, too. Neo didn't HAVE to fly inside the Matrix. He could have been able to teleport, or just have been really, really fast. He could've shot lightning bolts out of his fingers, but instead he defeated enemies over distance by telekinetically stopping their bullets.

I don't think it was unreasonable or inappropriate to give Neo a connection to the machine world that results in powers. I think it makes sense, and adds credibility to the idea that he has greater ability inside the Matrix. As superflouos as Neo's real-world abilities may have been, I think they are just as much of a legitimate plot point as anything else in the movies.

Spoilers, moans etc
I think walker is generally correct, about teh whole matrix restarting again, leaving the situation unresolved. I thought he would merge with the matrix and take it over, but oh no, he had to die, or return to the source and defeat smith and yet reboot teh whole shebang. The blinding was interesting, I think it has a reference to some sort of greek myth perhaps, something old like that, I just cant think what.
Ultimately though, I think they should have spent far less time on the defence of Zion, impressive though it was. And if I were in charge of said defence, knowing that EMP was our best weapon against an invasion of sentinels, I would have everything wired up with fuses, and computers with faraday cages and earths, decoy the sentinels in, then EMP them. Repeat as necessary. Meanwhile, you could easily make exoskeletons that are eitehr em proof or run on mechanics, and the guns they use are explosive propelled, so it doesnt matter.
The wireless connection to the matrix kind of worked, becasue lets face it, with that amount of hardware in you to hook you up to it, you probably would radiate a great deal in the Em spectrum.
However, what streatches the whole series too much, is the basic premises. the brothers do, IMO, follow proper SF logic. For example, how do tehy get into teh matrix? Do they dial someone up, and when they pick the phone up, some peopel amterialise beside them? Or what? The exit from the matrix works as a necesary tension device (but is unnecessary if they are erally controlling themselves remotely like they seem to be.) but nothing is ever said about how they get into it. Another example is use of EMP as said above. PLus, if you have what looks like anti gravity, then surely you care capable of clearing those nasty clouds away.
I think Smith is the best character in the movie, and it would have been great to have Neo ask him why he exists and what his purpose is, in the massive fight scene. but no, neo is reduced to monosyllables and general pointless answers (yeah man, i'm soooo deeep) that look like hteyre aimed at 12 year olds. IN a way though there were genuine awesome moments, such as the approach to the machine city and you relaise the lumps of metal moving are its gigantic defenders. Or armaggeddon, with millions of silent smiths standing around, in all the buildings. Except somehow they never made enough of that, they shoudl have somehow made the masses of smiths more obvious, more real, intrusive, whereas the battle was a little too individualised.

One of the group I went to see it with pointed out that they never had tiome to darn their ragged knitted jumpers (new fashion anyone?) yet trinity had time to put on full make up.
Then, I wonder about zion, how come they have such a mishmash of technology, their ships have touch screens and stuff, yet look like retro-industrial wasteland products. I think then the machines destroyed Zion before, they killed everyone and left the machines and resources, which would then get restarted by the new escapees, or the adam and eve group who came with previous "ones" or something. So now we have a restarted matrix, but with a survived zion, that still has a few hundred thousand of its population. yet how long will the truce last? When will the next one arrive?
Coming soon to a cinema near you, the matrix 4- the purpose of life.
or something like that. I still think a better ultimate ending would be the one and some others cyborging, melding human and machine, such that the humans can come out of hiding, restore the earth, the machines get to do new different htings, whether in human bodies or whatnot, and everyone lives happily ever after. I thought the wee chat in reloaded with the old councillor suggested that quite blatantly.

I agree that a bunch of the Zion tech is left over from previous Matricies/Zions, and it gets reconstructed and innovated upon by the populace over time. After all, the current Zion has only been in place for 100 years or so, not enough time to develop giant hoverships.

Will Smith was originally approached to play Neo.
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/arizonaliving/articles/0510jada10.html

"You did it."
"No.... we did it"

Simple put, no movie containing those lines can ever be considered good. Never.

Saw the revolutions yesterday. I think the machines were reaching the human state in the "person" of smit. neo warned the matrix man that a program (smit) got out of control and that only he (neo) can stop it. neo could read smit because smit has developed a human quality: hate.

Sounds not too bad, and still leads towards my ultimate end it all, which wold involve cyborging. Remember, Smith was actually the most characterfyul character in the film.

Remember, Smith was actually the most characterfyul character in the film.

Agree. The world of the machines:
the "programmer" (the matrix man): god
surrounded by agents: angels
angel smith: satan