I watched it last night!

OMG! I forgot how this is a good movie! :eek:

Dustin was nervous schizo as usual, Laurence Olivier was excellent as a nazi dentist, psycho William Devane, Roy Scheider... Excellent!

One of the best thriller movies ever!

Yes but...

Is it safe? :confused:

Yes but...

Is it safe? :confused:

Heh!

There should be more movies with nazi dentists, or at least evil dentists.

I watched it last night!

OMG! I forgot how this is a good movie! :eek:

Dustin was nervous schizo as usual, Laurence Olivier was excellent as a nazi dentist, psycho William Devane, Roy Scheider... Excellent!

One of the best thriller movies ever!

im the white angel.
:D

Marathon Man has some lessons for those unsympathetic to real people who are drawn into horrific ordeals by nothing more than random association.

If a true-to-life documentary of Maher Arar's life (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maher_Arar) is ever made, it would be even more chilling than Marathon Man. But would we pay attention even then? To me that's the burning question the movie asks.

Is it safe? Not so long as true stories like Maher's are occuring routinely. It isn't safe for any of us, while we ignore the disappeared and tortured victims of our own societies, absorbed instead into our make-believe movie ordeals.

Is it safe? Not while we systematically insulate ourselves from the real-world experiences of horror taking place in the shadows, with our own governments (in the case of Americans and others) directing the abductions and torture from start to finish.

Where I think the plot of Marathon Man turns away from typical reality is when Babe Levy (the leading character) gets his violent revenge upon his tormentors. This is probably why many prefer movie fantasies, and prefer instant gratification to reality- Justice is rarely so swift in real life, where it takes infinitely greater patience to achieve.

Is it safe? Not for so long as the abductors and torturers of real people like Maher Arar go unnamed and unpunished. It isn't really safe for any of us.

The only thing I remember about that movie (I saw it years ago) was the dentist scene. Ouch!

Marathon Man has some lessons for those unsympathetic to real people who are drawn into horrific ordeals by nothing more than random association.

Geez, and I thought all this time that it was just a fuckin' movie. :D

Baron Max

I'm not surprised. You display a nearly identical perspective on the American torture underground, which is infinitely more real in terms both of multiplying incidents and implications.

I'll also remind you that the greatest art contains messages applicable to our own experience.

I'll also remind you that the greatest art contains messages applicable to our own experience.

No it don't, it's just art ...whatever the fuck that is.

I will admit, however, that there are those who will try to see things that aren't there ...in some silly-assed idea that the artist was "trying to say something" ...when all he was doing was making something that would sell so he could eat!

People see or believe what they want ....then, worse, they try to make you see or believe it, too.

Baron Max

Great artists do have something to say to you. You're suffering from a pitiable handicap, Baron.

Great artists do have something to say to you. You're suffering from a pitiable handicap, Baron.

You may believe what you wish, Hype.

But isn't it interesting that you don't allow me that same courtesy? Why is that?

Baron Max

Because an open mind makes more joyful new discoveries than a closed one. In the particular case of art, you've really been missing out, Baron. Give it a chance and you won't be sorry.

Because an open mind makes more joyful new discoveries than a closed one.

So you're trying to convince me, a fifty-three yr old man whose lived a good, happy, content life, and who has been smart enough to be able to retire at 52, to have an open mind?? ...LOL!

In the particular case of art, you've really been missing out, Baron. Give it a chance and you won't be sorry.

I've been in the arts for most of my life; music, painting, drawing, designing, writing, sculpting, carving, ...among other things, and you ask me to "give it a chance"? :D

No painter that I know sits down and tries to think up some "message" before he decides what to paint! We usually get ideas from just doodling or seeing some natural scene or ...., any of a thousand things. There is no "message" except the ones that idiot critics attach to it.

Baron Max

Wow. You've either been associating with hacks all these years, or you have never understood artists. But it's not too late to happily discover that art really is (and has ever been) about communication across all sorts of barriers that nothing else has penetrated. I'm sad to discover that you've been missing out on many truly rich experiences.

I'm sad to discover that you've been missing out on many truly rich experiences.

Or is it that you're sad that you've been deluding yourself all these years?? :D

Baron Max

No, I clearly and honestly expressed what makes me sad about you.