http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4625341.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/4100030.stm
Malaysian tsunami funds queried


By Jonathan Kent
BBC News, Kuala Lumpur



There were repeated complaints aid had not got through

Malaysia's anti-corruption agency has announced it is looking into nine alleged cases of misuse of tsunami relief funds.


It has now emerged that the Penang state branch of the country's anti-corruption agency has received a number of complaints that funds had been misappropriated.

And in some cases, aid appears to have simply disappeared into a black hole.

that somewhere along the line middlemen are helping themselves to money meant for tsunami victims.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4583557.stm

The construction of some temporary barracks has caused concern

In one case, a community leader was reported for "skimming off" food meant for the most poverty-stricken.

Another was found to be taking a cut of labourers' wages in exchange for referring them for work schemes.

But there are also suspicions of corruption in a large government project to house the more than 500,000 people in Aceh who were left homeless by the disaster.

The solution - the building of complexes of long, wooden accommodation blocks, known locally as barracks - has left developers with ample scope to make extra profit through illegally cutting costs.

At one site near Banda Aceh, visited by the BBC, the wood holding up the barracks was not attached to the concrete, but loose and could easily be moved out.

More sand had been mixed with concrete that had been specified in the building regulations, while the floor depth was a number of centimetres too shallow. The tsunami survivors who have moved in are unhappy.

"I don't think this is strong enough if there is another earthquake," said one resident.

"Even when there are children playing around, we can hear their footsteps everywhere. The floor shakes."





Oh dear the tsunami was a human tragedy billions where donated by the west to help the americans and the uk being the biggest donators as usual

saudi arabia and kuwait contributions fall well short of the us and uk contributions even though it was muslims who were the biggest victims of this tragedy

So what do we find what is happening to all the aid well 6billion dollars has been donated to Aceh in indonesia
well basically in indonesia there building sand houses with a little bit of concrete mixed in so they can cut on costs and pocket the difference government building inspectors are turning a blind eye
to it

so next time there is another quake the buildings will fall like a pack of cards

In malaysia they have gone one better most of the money has just disappeared

What is wrong with islam that even when we have a human tragedy and the world comes to help.
muslims steal all the money ment for there muslim brothers

The west can never help muslims and islam as long as they steal
all the aid money meant for there people

Corruption does not belong to any specific religion.

It doesn't matter what happened to the funds. The whole object of the tsunami relief was to make us all feel good about giving ....few, if any, really gave a shit about the people of southeast Asia and/or the vicitims. We've let them all live and die in abject poverty and disease for thousands of years ...and did nothing at all. Had it not been for the news media, we'd done just waht we've done before ....NOTHING!

The relief fund was just an excuse to give a mere pittance of our money so we'd feel better about hording all the rest of our money!!

Baron Max

everneo
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Today, 03:06 PM
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Corruption does not belong to any specific religion.




But islam and muslims are living in absolute poverty with no job hopes and future
in indonesia palestine syria egypt pakistan iran to name but a few

why because there leaders milk the country dry
and everbody is on the take from the leader to the policemen on the street

islam is a breeding ground for terroism because of this massive corruption

Baron Max
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The relief fund was just an excuse to give a mere pittance of our money so we'd feel better about hording all the rest of our money!!



What money baron
the us is a bout 200 billion dollars in debt but still was the biggest donor

do you honestly think if this tragedy happened in america or china muslims
would be contributing to the extent the west has helped the muslim victims of this disaster i think not

Baron what you do not understand is this you could give 700 billion dollars tommorow in aid to indonesia. egypt etc where would all this aid money go to the poor or the jobless

No No it would all go into swiss bank accounts of there corrupt leaders

poverty is caused by corruption fullstop

when you have a leader or goverment that actually cares more for there people
than how big there swiss bank account is, then the poverty can be dealt with

Shut the fuck up, Vincent, stealing tsunami money isn't what Mohammad had in mind when he created Islam.

spidergoat
Kustom Uzer Tytle (3,033 posts)

stealing tsunami money isn't what Mohammad had in mind when he created Islam


Then why does
Mohammad have all these corrupt muslim leaders running muslim countries while his chosen people wollow in poverty

islamic leaders are all corrupt fullstop and when the oil runs dry in the middle east
the entire muslim world will wollow in poverty and terroism

But islam and muslims are living in absolute poverty with no job hopes and future in indonesia palestine syria egypt pakistan iran to name but a few

why because there leaders milk the country dry
and everbody is on the take from the leader to the policemen on the street

Ever heard of Africa?

Ever heard of Africa?



yes and they suffer from the same thing as the middle east poverty and corruption they go hand in hand

No, I agree that these leaders are corrupt, but my point was that it has nothing at all to do with them being Muslims.

JLocke

jlocke
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Today, 05:26 PM
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No, I agree that these leaders are corrupt, but my point was that it has nothing at all to do with them being Muslims.

JLocke



It has everthing to do with there religon
in every muslim country there is corruption starting from there leaders

if muslim countries had accountability for corruption, for there leaders very few do,
most are non democratic or joke democracies like iran or eqypt when they have ridiculous shows of elections in irans case it is run by a bunch of mad clerics who are so anti humanity if they had a button to destroy the world they would do it tommorow

what has saudi arabi kuwait iran done with all there oil money
and what happens when the oil runs out

any industry apart from terroism to take over none

there is no planning in all muslim countries either for now or for the future of there people

and all the oil money where does it go

in iran there all piss poor apart from the billionaire mad clerics running it
in the house of saudi they have all the cash
and kuwait the same

when do the people in muslim countries benifit from the nations oil revenue 60 dollars a barrel now

When never because all muslim leaders are corrupt

It has everthing to do with there religon
in every muslim country there is corruption starting from there leaders
There are corrupt leaders around the world and their corruption has nothing to do with their religion. No religion preaches corruption. End of story. Just because they may be using their religion as an excuse for their corruption, does not mean that the religion is to blame. That too happens around the world (*cough* Bush *cough*).


there is no planning in all muslim countries either for now or for the future of there people
You don't know that, and even if there wasn't, that's the leaders, NOT the religion.


When never because all muslim leaders are corrupt
Also, please take note of what we've said in the 'Islam is a cult' thread about your punctuation/grammar/quoting. I think it'll help get your point across much better.
http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?p=824674#post824674


JLocke

mr lock

you are missing the point here with oil at 60 dollars a barrel
and iran being one of the biggest exporters of it
why is there so much unemployment and no hope there


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4081302.stm
Gap widens between Iran's rich and poor


Unemployment and poverty are some of the most important issues in Iran today. As Iranians prepare for presidential elections, BBC Tehran correspondent Frances Harrison spends the day with a house cleaner struggling to feed her family.


Tahira says she'll vote, though she does not trust politicians


At six o'clock in the morning Tahira Khanum's alarm clock starts beeping. It's the start of a long day for this 60-year-old woman who's the only breadwinner for her family of 10 in south Tehran.
Her husband and sons cannot find jobs.


Where is all the money going in iran apart from swiss bank accounts
big tv screens for the mad clerics to watch american porn on while lecturing there people on morality and no sex before marriage

you are missing the point here with oil at 60 dollars a barrel and iran being one of the biggest exporters of it
why is there so much unemployment and no hope there

Where is all the money going in iran apart from swiss bank accounts
big tv screens for the mad clerics to watch american porn on while lecturing there people on morality and no sex before marriage

No, YOU are missing the bloody point. The point is, as much as you are gonna hate this, the fact that their governments are corrupt has NOTHING to do with their religion. Yes, we all agree, their governments are corrupt, no one is arguing with you about that. I (and I hope I'm not the only one) am just trying to get you to realize that it has nothing to do religion.

JLocke

so the fact that all muslim countries leaders are corrupt has nothing to do with there religon and it is just a big coincidence

get real obviously there is a big flaw in a religon when muslim leaders in every country feel compelled to steal from there people

and also not to give any hope to there people for the future unemplyment in all muslim countries is massive

where is the compassion in islam

do they not feel for there people why are they not making life better for them instead of only themselves are muslims so greedy

Wherever there are rich people and money to be made, there is corruption. The middle east might just be the last place where there is oil, and when the rest of the world runs out, they will still be on top.

Places where there is massive corruption:
USA
China
Russia
Columbia
etc...

Places where there is massive and total corruption:
middle east
africa

fact not fiction

so the fact that all muslim countries leaders are corrupt has nothing to do with there religon and it is just a big coincidence
Pretty fucking much, yeah.
And muslim gov's aren't the only corrupt gov's. Just about every single government in the world is corrupt in one way or another. The US government being one of the major examples.

so the fact that all muslim countries leaders are corrupt

Ok, Vincent, I want you to tell me what in the Islamic religion makes these people so bad. Why is it Islam's fault?

I'm dying to know.


JLocke

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“ Originally Posted by vincent28uk
so the fact that all muslim countries leaders are corrupt
”

Ok, Vincent, I want you to tell me what in the Islamic religion makes these people so bad. Why is it Islam's fault?

I'm dying to know.




well lets see in buddhist teachings to steal from someone means you comeback as a cockroach in the next life

catholics see it as a sin

now muslims they cut your hand off in some muslim countries for theft
its just a pity the laws of theft do not apply to them there would be alot of handless arab leaders today

i do not know why muslim leaders who read the koran steal from there people
but there must be something in there telling them to do it why else would they all be at it

Well, if you cut thier hands off, they can't steal anymore, can they? The means are justified by the end result of having a thief unable to steal things.

And the leaders aren't taxing the people to the point of poverty because they're muslim...they're doing it because they're humans...and humans are a power-hungry, war-mongering, violent, and insane species. Pure and simple.

i do not know why muslim leaders who read the koran steal from there people but there must be something in there telling them to do it why else would they all be at it
You are the most narrowminded person I've ever met. I honestly can't believe you are just repeating the same arguments over and over and every time we debunk them, you just repeat them. Discussion doesn't work like that. We have already told you that there is corruption everywhere, it is not just the Muslim leaders who are corrupt, and it is no the Koran that is telling them to do that. Have you ever read the Koran? Do you know what it says in the Koran? We both know you havn't so I'll tell you. NOWHERE in the Koran does it say anything about suicide bombing or about hating Westerners. That is something invented by the corrupt leaders of these nations, not the result of their religion.

JLocke

holy war jihad

thats not in the koran too

lol


all over the world muslims are off on there holidays where off to iraq on another jihad

off they go on there happy travels from the uk europe america off on another merry jihad to fight those nasty infidels after our black oil and our burkha clad sexy women
i get a hard on just thinking about there eyelashes well thats all you can see on most of them
lol
lol

I'd like to be the first to officialy nominate this thread and all others started by Vincent along these lines to be sent to the cesspool! Just hit "Report" on one of his posts, and give the moderator your two cents.

Second that. Too bad we're a little short on mods. Who would I talk to about getting some more?

Second that. Too bad we're a little short on mods. Who would I talk to about getting some more?

We generaly hold elections. JamesR is a good guy, but of course he's just one man. If you report these threads, however, I'm sure he'll get to it in a reasonably timely manner.

You fucking moron, there are only FIVE pillars of muslim Faith, and Jihad is not one of them. Get it through your fucking skull, parrot.
Jihad is a war to DEFEND islam against threats, not an offensive war. In an offensive jihad, it is pretty much only political means of advancing power, and has nothing to do with the religious aspect of it.
It is a struggle to defend islam from being destroyed, as during the crusades, when the christians invaded the muslim lands.
Fucking hell, you are just an arrogant, narrowminded, concieted, racist, and downright wrong little jackass, aren't you? Go die. No one at all will miss you.
I hope you get banned soon. Where the hell are the mods?

EDIT- Thirded.

Let's hold an election and get another mod, I know the political section needs one desperately. I feel like too many people are just people bashing instead of discussing. I was a mod on The Science Forum and I havn't gone back in a while because the other mods didn't like how I wanted more discussion and less people/race bashing.

Agreed. This forum needs a lot more mods.

cry for the moderators

when reality hurts


bbc news facts hurt

when you do not like to see islam in all its unholy glory

everthing i have said in all these threads is news reported from the bbc news

if you do not like to hear the truth about islam change religon

BBC news? Haven't you learned *NOT* to listen to everything the news says? Find out the info on your own...Fuck, man...
And you don't know anything about islam. Look on wikipedia, and learn.
:rolleyes: El Retardo...

:rolleyes: El Retardo...
Again Hapsburg, I really don't like your insulting retards... :D

everthing i have said in all these threads is news reported from the bbc news
No, the BBC doesn't blame Islam for the actions of people that happen to be muslim.

He needs to hear it, demeaning him might make him realize no one wants him here.

He needs to hear it, demeaning him might make him realize no one wants him here.

Haha, if he hasn't realized he's a fucking dumbass by now then I don't really think he's gonna realize we all want him to leave....

It's still fun to say it to him regardless.

He is a narrowminded, bullheaded, culturalist... but no more so than a number of individuals whom I have butted heads with here on Sciforums. If you don't like what he has to say, just don't repond. His threads will quickly drop out of sight.

Lol, Clockwood, he's a special one. Go look at his threads where Hapsburg and I have argued with him, looking back, it's fucking hilarious.

Hapsburg
Holy Roman Emperor, Biatch (899 posts)




now he says dont believe the news
in america i do not
however i am from the uk

and the news is unbiased by law

bbc reporters have been targeted and shot at on purpose and killed even once by israel soldiers
for reporting about the injustices and killings against the palestine people

by english law the news is unbiased in the uk


do not lecture me on the news

the uk is the mother of all democracies and unlike america the news is unbiased

I looked. I have seen idiots like that before in my years here. I normally just take them as comedy relief.

Usually they burn out pretty fast and vanish off the radar.

Yeah well keep your fingers crossed.

Clockwood
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yes mr Prosecutor


i have presented my case i have submitted bbc world news links to all my accusations against islam and muslims

i have heard many people here singing other songs here have they proved my facts wrong have i been proven a liar

the facts are there the evidence is there supplied by the bbc

i rest my case

You don't have a fucking case, moron. None of your stupid BBC links showed any evidence that the Islam religion had anything to do with nutters blowing themselves up.

JLocke

Islam is just in one of its insane phases. Christianity has had a couple of its own, you know. It will snap out of it in due time.

Clockwood
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Today, 09:50 PM
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Islam is just in one of its insane phases. Christianity has had a couple of its own, you know. It will snap out of it in due time.




mr prosecutor silence in court
or i will have the baliffs remove you to a padded cell

mr prosecutor silence in court
or i will have the baliffs remove you to a padded cell
He's officially off his rocker.

Note that I chose the title of Prosecutor due to America being denounced as 'The Great Satan'. Translated from Hebrew, Satan means prosecutor. I decided to go for a touch of irony.

I am getting close to reporting you as well.

We've decided that we should ask for another moderator.

jlocke
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We've decided that we should ask for another moderator.



you have outed me and now you demand another moderator
what a queenie you are'
a real bitch if i had my handbag

what should we do with all the muslims, vincent? Have a war? Seems like we already started that.

spidergoat
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Today, 10:49 PM
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what should we do with all the muslims, vincent? Have a war? Seems like we already started that.




well re educate them try to get them to accept other peaceful religons out there
and not a cult like islam

try to tell them there whole life does not have to be about religon

spidergoat
well re educate them try to get them to accept other peaceful religons out there
and not a cult like islam

try to tell them there whole life does not have to be about religon

Well shit, you've finaly said something that makes a bit of sense! Can we do that with Christians and Jews as well? I think they're all in desperate need of it!

well jews yes but most other religions apart from cults like the moonies or islam
have there shit together

well jews yes but most other religions apart from cults like the moonies or islam
have there shit together

I disagree, have you read the bible lately? Every other page commands you to stone this or burn that! It's all in your interpretation. We as a culture have generally cooled down on our religiously inspired violence, and made Christianity a more tolerable faith. Muslim extremists just have to do the same - as it stands the vast majority of Muslims already have, it's a religion and a philosophy that's just as peaceful as Christianity. They just need to get rid of their Crusaders - the same way we need to get rid of abortion clinic bombers, and red-neck fag-bashers.

As far as Jews go, we just need to round all of 'em that don't work in Hollywood, the medical field, accounting or law, (namely Israel) and shoot 'em off to the moon for a while and catch up with 'em later once everyone's just cooled down some!

Mystech
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Today, 11:15 PM
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“ Originally Posted by vincent28uk
well jews yes but most other religions apart from cults like the moonies or islam
have there shit together
”

I disagree, have you read the bible lately? Every other page commands you to stone this or burn that!



yes but catholics do not run around taking a eye for eye type thing
muslims take the koran word for word and actually believe all the shit in it

there is a lot of cods wallop in the bible but we take what we think is right in it
and the crap like eye for a eye we ignore it

yes but catholics do not run around taking a eye for eye type thing
muslims take the koran word for word and actually believe all the shit in it

I know several Muslims and not a single one of them does that. I'd say that the number of Muslims that even come close to doing that account for an extremely small fraction of followers of Islam. Of course, all those other millions of Muslims aren't busy blowing things up, so you don't often hear about them in the news.

well recently we had all this hullaboo about

those nasty infidel yanks flushing the koran down the toilet in that cuban island prison camp they have and horrors defacing the koran

hell you could burn the bible in front of any catholic and they would not bat a eyelid
religon is about what you believe in your heart and between you and god

not what is written in some dumb ass book be it the bible or the koran

yet all those riots in muslim countries about defacing the koran you talk about taking religon to seriously muslims are way beyond that