Jaredster
10-26-04, 07:31 PM
Ok I understand the fundimentals of magnetism, I understand that its an electric current that causes it. I understand that it has negetive and electric charges.
Now what I don't understand is what carries the magnetic force? How does it interact with other objects? Is it a carrier particle? I've been to many sites trying to find this answer but I can't find it. Can someone please tell me?
James R
10-27-04, 12:19 AM
Electric and magnetic fields are both different aspects of the same fundamental force - the electomagnetic interaction. The carrier of the electromagnetic force in quantum field theory is the photon. Classically, though, electric and magnetic fields are different, and each affects charged particles in different ways.
Jaredster
10-27-04, 12:41 AM
so a photon attracts two magnets to each other? Because that is seeming to be implyed.
Quantum Quack
10-27-04, 03:38 AM
Jaredster,
Unfortunately magnetism is one of those areas of knowledge that is still very vague.
There is much said about the effects but not the substance or should I say the lack of substance that may make up a magnetic force.
In the following thread some time ago I proposed a couple of possible explanations for grvaity and magnetism and suggest that they boith have mre to do with time than matter or mass.
The value of nothing is everything (http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=39652)
Of course these ideas a pure conjecture and as yet unproveable but if considering magnetism as a fundamental creation of variations in space time where those variations are attracted to teh center of time or Nothingness then elecrical and magnetic forces start to make a little sense.
Any way best of luck in your quest
geistkiesel
10-27-04, 06:17 PM
Ok I understand the fundimentals of magnetism, I understand that its an electric current that causes it. I understand that it has negetive and electric charges.
Now what I don't understand is what carries the magnetic force? How does it interact with other objects? Is it a carrier particle? I've been to many sites trying to find this answer but I can't find it. Can someone please tell me?
A place to start is in Stern-Gerlach transition experiments where a spin-1 particles entering a magnetic field and inhomogeneous magnetic field moves eiither up, down or straight across in 1/3 proportion of the three possible trajectories. The up/down motion is basically symmetrical. The particle moving up in an increasing energy density magnetic field is the mirror motion of the same kind of particle moving in the direction of decreasing energy density. The middle motion is, to my thinking a combination of the both where the state of theat particle is oscilllating in t ime as
up down up down up down etc.
The "standard model", is strikingly different from the one I outlined. For instance the middle state, which I call the +- (plus-minus) state is referred to as the "0" state, by the mainstream. The fundamenal difference in my model and the standard model is I see the spin states generated in an orderly way in each particle, where the standard model has the states hard wired as they exit from the "tungsten filament" from which they were boiled off.
But your question is answered either way, regarding the nature of magnetic fields and the affect the fields ahve on matter.
Usually described as "spin", it does have a taste of EM charge to it. However keeping the inhomogeneous field direction constant and reversing the magnetic field diection imposes a change of direction on the particle. Charge isn't the answer.