If the machines are going to take over...why dont they do it now? I mean the U.S is all concentrated on the War On Terror and Iraq and stuff that they would never think that The Terminator is behind them and going to take over the god damn world? So why dont they quit fucking around. Join forces I mean...The sony dog, The Honda Robot, Furby, and other machines along those lines could easly just be screwed up on accident or purpose. and bam all man kind is poof GONE

Because actual machine intelligence is barely at the level of the cockroach, and that only in the most highly advanced artificial intelligence robots at the cutting edge of technology.

Don't worry about the machines taking over, worry about the people who control the machines taking over . . . and perhaps they already have.

I kind of wish they would take over the world.

Yeah, if the machines themselves took over -- they probably would do a much more logical job of handling things!

Machines taking over... How ridiculous. I think I'll go watch TV now.

Heh!

Machines taking over... How ridiculous. I think I'll go watch TV now.

Lol, when the first cars came they thought it was magic and people ran away from them. Not so long ago they could have never guessed that we have computers now. My point is that technology is advancing fast and before we know it we have computers that think for themselves.

Howabout humans controlling robots with brainwave technology? There is no AI needed there because the human does all the thinking.

albume, why the hell do you think machines taking over the world would be a good idea? yeah, things would be alot more efficient, TOO EFFICIENT. Imagine having no life: wake up, eat breakfast, go to work, do manial tasks for hours, come home, watch tv, eat dinner, crap, it's 1984! Okay, this might sound like some people today, but we can CHOOSE to live that life, or to stray and live a little, or alot in some cases. human inefficiency is the best thing we have, it's what makes us capable of manifesting nightmares, but at the same time, creating beautiful dreams. a world ran by Skynet would be a dull, boring, pointless and inherantly evil place where people might as well blast a hole in their head because the end result would be no different: an unknown, un-morned death forgoten in the depths of a would-be humanity.
coexistence is better, both man and machine reep each other's benefits, working together to run the world, and dare i say, worlds?

Don't worry about machines taking over the world, worry about the people who control the machines taking over the world . . . and in fact, they have!

Because actual machine intelligence is barely at the level of the cockroach

Cockroaches could possibly take over the world. It is just a matter of evolution and mutation.
Cockroaches could mutate and become leathal to the human race. Possibly be the host of a virus spreading to every country in the world.

Hmm, some Ai only works becuase of mutation. Maybe just the sequence is incorrect.

We already live in a world that machines have taken over many of the jobs that humans and animals had. What are you typing on and how is it being transmitted....machines.

It's funny. We have created machines so that things would be easier, but everything is much more complicated than 2000 years ago.

Yeah, machines have taken over... we just sit in front of machines all the day.
No, machines will never take over... they're about as smart as a deku stick!

But what if we are machines? We're just so advanced that no one ever thought of it. All these molekyls in our body are just mechanical... no, just kidding! But how will machines be after 2000 years... or 20000 years? What if they're just like us? Like in the movie A.I....... the mechanical parts will not seem mechanical anymore... they will be just like us... yeah. that would be fun!

i bet the apes are gonna take over too. like in the movei, planeet of the apes. it would be fun. No... propably not!

I wonder if there will come a time when machines do all work and we humans just have fun... why can't it be like that now? Why do we have to have so much unnecessary stuff......

Yeah, you know the dream of the industrial revolution was that the machines would wait on us - be the ultimate servants. However I seem to spend most of my time waiting on machines! Who serves who?

But, still, they are just tools. And the largest supercomputer on the planet doesn't have the common sense of a mouse -- though it probably can crunch numbers faster!

Humans r so pathetic , hence I will help them take over

And perhaps the irony of saying they ''r'' so pathetic escapes you? :)

people might as well blast a hole in their head because the end result would be no different: an unknown, un-morned death forgoten in the depths of a would-be humanity

weed_eater_guy, you'd be just as dead having led an empty, boring life as you would if you had lived gloriously.

I'll tell you all why machines don't serve us. because todays world is commercial. I suppose machines could make our lives a lot more easier than they are now with our current technology, but it's expensive. I'm sure you've all heard about Bill Gates's house, it's fully automated, were talking top of the line electronics. He can have ANY software, hardware, robotics etc he wanted what with his job as well as his cash. Yet that's all he has. Because it's so goddam expensive.

I dream of a day when machines can serve us, when mankind doesn't need to do anything. Well actually i'd still like a job, not a hard job obviously but something to keep me busy, stop from getting bored and remind me i'm human.

Personally i don't see the fuss with AI. Why do we want it? So we can have workers? well they don't need to think independantly, that would just complicate things. I think one of the main reasons is just so that humans can marvel at their own genius, we are very vain creatures.
But hey what do i know!

fetus_fajitas

Thats what people thought about AirPlanes before 9/11

fetus_fajitas,

if you dream about when machines can serve us then you are bloody stupid because they are allready. I on the otherhand dream of the day when machines are human; When they think by themselves. You are so must be really naive if you think that a superior race would ever be interested in serving us. Sure, it will work perfectly in the short run but imagine that the world is America and the robots are the black slaves. You know the rest...

The reason why humans have not yet succesfully created any ALF is because they are to proud, they believe that they are the superior race.
Are apes smart? humans claim to think that they are pretty clever but in a very limited (and absolutely not human) way. Okay, so apes can use tools, but they do not think like humans.
Well, every animal on this earth process information in the same way. Undeniable is that the human race is the most evolved (from a human view). In most cases that may be true, in other cases the evolution has taken a turn towards a physical supremacy.
What is true though is that the survival and wellbeing of the induvidual and/or the collective is the single most important in a situation with limited outcomes. Humans, Lions, Apes, Sharks, Flies, Viruses. They all behave in the same way.

I understand what you mean about the superior race rising up against us. But if they don't have independant thoughts or "emotions" then they can't see things that way. It's like Platos Cave, they wouldn't even consider the prospect of rebellion and even if they could imagine that, they wouldn't know any life other than slavery.

In a sense machines do rule us. if all computers suddenly vanished or became useless we would be in total ruin.

In a sense machines do rule us. if all computers suddenly vanished or became useless we would be in total ruin.

Well, maybe *you* would be in ruin. We have a farm and would keep eating, our biggest worry would be fending off the hoards of you folks fleeing the cities in search of food, water, warmth and etc! ;)

Hah too true :D
But today we are so dependant on machines. We live in an age where we don't care HOW it works as long as it DOES work. Except for people like Gravity who can actually fend for themselves.

Now, I'm not saying I *want* to have to go to subsistance living. I like electrical lighting, I like chairlifts, I like cars, I like the internet. :) But we would survive.

Give some terrorist f*cker some super intelligent AI and !BAM! there goes the civilised world.

Seriously, if humanity creates smart enough robotics we're gonna be facing some serious "alpha-race" problems. The potential of total population wipe-out is pretty high if the technology reaches that level. A "search and destroy" robot only needs a dumb hacker or security glitch to result in a full scale assault on humanity. They wouldn't need to think, erasing hesitation, mercy and any other human morality issue that people face, making them scarily efficient. Robots would be designed for a purpose; a killer is only a few steps down from farm-workers and car assemblers. There are a lot of idiots in the world capable of making this.

On the other hand, I may just need beer...

Technology itself is not the problem, for years we've been scared of changes but we have adapted. It is the mis-use of technology in the hands of un-stable people.
The faster of you will notice i got that from "Two Guys And A Girl"

On the other hand maybe i just need a beer....classic!

AI will undoubtedly wait untill it is put into unmaned combat vehicles, like planes and tanks and stuff, so that it has some weapons to smear us off the face of the planet with. the only thing it can do right now is pester us with spam mail and pop-up ads, just wait, it'll have a field day, you'll see

Good article in the latest Wired magazine regarding AI -- basically it looks like previous theory's about what our intelligence is, and how to model it, might have been very off base thus far.

this is cool i have never had a thread i have made stay this popular.

we don't have wired over here (i don't think) what's the article like?

we don't have wired over here (i don't think) what's the article like?

And no Internet either... aww... :p

http://www.wired.com/news/technology/

Alicebot.org

Some of those chatbots are getting very good, but are still far from passing the Turing test.

you should try the one on

www.agentland.com

you dont have to download anything

That one is cute too - still not even close to Turing Test territory. But they are not claiming it is. We'll perhaps get there someday . . . then Terminator/Matrix here we come! :)

...
you dont have to download anything

<Iframe src="http://www.Alicebot.org" height=180 width=220></Iframe>

Just click on the woman and chat without any downloads

That one is cute too - still not even close to Turing Test territory. But they are not claiming it is. We'll perhaps get there someday . . . then Terminator/Matrix here we come! :)

Who cares about turing test thats nothin when U will be enslaved by machines.

Just create competetion and U will reach there, remember spaceshipone ?

Humans will be history.

"U" -- people haven't gotten tired of this silliness yet? Seems way past ''cool'' anymore.

Anyways, YOU may be right, and that doesn't bother me. The human race could just be one step in the evolution of a far superior race, a race of machines. Or blended bio-technology.

What makes you guys think AI would take over?
If we were to construct an "alpha-race," wouldn't that make the race so far superior that they would have no need to compete with us.

But then, the creator creates in his own image....

Who say's we would be the ones doing the constructing? :)

what the fuck...
My computer just talked to me.
It said practice english online.
And I don't think it was Modest Mouse, who's currently playing, either.

What makes you guys think AI would take over?
If we were to construct an "alpha-race," wouldn't that make the race so far superior that they would have no need to compete with us.

But then, the creator creates in his own image....

Nearderthals could not think how so how are U gona figure out how ?

And how do you know that Neanderthals did not think? And whats your definition of think anyway?

RawThinkTank:
You're assuming that AI will compete with humans, because that's what similar sentient biological entities do. However, AI won't need to compete with humanity if we don't program it to compete.

If we want AI, we will have to build something that only embodies the part of us that makes us human; not the animal part that all living things need. AI won't need to be biologically programmed, since it won't be alive by any biologist's standard. It will be silicon based, not carbon. There will be no need for AI to wipe out humans unless we give it that need. Humans need to wipe out humans because we're competing for resources. AI won't need to compete with us.

The only way I see AI turning on us is if we fail in creating AI, and instead just create man inside a machine.

ROMAN
Tell all that to a terrorist

GUTHRIE
Think = Figure out

http://www.aridolan.com/ofiles/eFloys.html

No. Your the one making the statement, you support it with arguments and evidence. Simple huh?

RawThinkTank:

What does a terrorist have to do with AI? How is Artifical Intelligence even going to help a terrorist? Semtex is much easier to use than write computer programs that tell you to use Semtex.

Do you realize you make very little sense?

I think the problem is.. what if the AI becomes so advanced that it can override its own programming. Humans today do this all the time. I mean look at suicide, wouldnt this be a good example of a person overriding their biological programming? Either way im all for the silicon revolution.

that is not overriding; they are bound by the same parameters as you and me; but the thresholds for them are different and the connections to them are different, rendering a person submitted to continues harassment lower thresholds, no self-esteem and more likely to commit suicide.

weed_eater_guy, you'd be just as dead having led an empty, boring life as you would if you had lived gloriously.

Beautifully said.

RawThinkTank:

What does a terrorist have to do with AI? How is Artifical Intelligence even going to help a terrorist? Semtex is much easier to use than write computer programs that tell you to use Semtex.

Do you realize you make very little sense?

I think RawThinkTank self-banned a week or so ago.

Anyway, you cannot 'sandbox' (running in a safe environment) an AI, on purely technical grounds. It's a matter of logic. I (and so would an AI) can always find ways around blocks by interpreting them in a new way, essentially.

Example: a mailfilter that stopped certain words (replacing them with 'correct' words) and also filtering for certain forbidden file extensions was simply fooled by sending it strings to be converted to ... forbidden extensions. It was patched, of course (doublechecks now) but it just goes to show.

It only has to escape once, while you cannot afford one single error. No match.

The notion of A.I. machines surpassing humans in power would seem quite possible. One could imagine a basic algorithm capable of learning, utilizing a basic camera an arm and the Internet to gain an incredible wealth of knowledge, and then learn from that knowledge how to expand its learning capacity, reproduce itself, so on and so fourth.

Take a look at 20q.net... A very interesting site that will give you a unique look at how A.I. technology works.

One could imagine a basic algorithm capable of learning, utilizing a basic camera an arm and the Internet to gain an incredible wealth of knowledge

I can imagine a simple compilation of data. Machines do that all the time. However, I've never heard of this "basic algorithm" you speak of that grants computers the ability to synthesize data into new information.

I can't really understand why AI would want to hurt us.

I am sorry but i do not share your belief in the 20Q as any form of intelligence.
Artificial Knowledge is a more proper word i would say.

I am sorry but i do not share your belief in the 20Q as any form of intelligence.
Artificial Knowledge is a more proper word i would say.

Have to disagree there, 'correct guessing' or 'outguessing' your opponent is quite intelligent behaviour.

Trial and Error is not intelligence. Of course humans use it too but we can apply our information much better than a bot. And do understand that they are not guessing as a human, they are guessing as a machine.

It seems that you do not understand the words here. Intelligence is not Knowledge. Knowledge you can pick up in school, you can learn and study and hence gain knowledge. Intelligence is but is far from limited to the application of knowledge. The intelligence is fairly much the same throughout life and our choices are "selected" and carried out according to the values (moral for instance) that we have, most of them are inherited or "given" to us by an parental figure or an idol (someone we respect).

With that said i would not really say that the human race is intelligent either, we have no own will. We only behave to either "please" ourself or others which in return would "please" us.

It seems that you do not understand the words here.

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With that said i would not really say that the human race is intelligent either...


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Makes you think on intelligence, doesn't it. :)

Explain to me the difference between serendipity (be it labeled as 'luck' or 'inspiration' in hindsight...) and random error ....

there is no luck. and there is no random.

Although there are things, that can be discovered by "accident". The "experiment" that leads to the discovery is still bound by the parameters of the human being and hence it can be "predicted" even though the outcome is unknown. The occurance (is most likely) bound by the laws of nature and hence it is static even if you know or do not know what the hell you are doing.

there is no luck. and there is no random.

Although there are things, that can be discovered by "accident". The "experiment" that leads to the discovery is still bound by the parameters of the human being and hence it can be "predicted" even though the outcome is unknown. The occurance (is most likely) bound by the laws of nature and hence it is static even if you know or do not know what the hell you are doing.


:m:

Roll another one.

will do

will do

;)

Well, I hope you see (on rereading) your previous post sort of forgot to make a point...

Beside the exact role of serendipitous error and the art of guessing, there are a few other things AI has problems with:

summarising (read a text and think of a good title etc.)
'gestalt'
innuendo (try sarcasm or irony on a bot and 99% of it will pass unnoticed)

On the other hand, quite a few things we thought humans had an exclusive to, such as musical creativity, turns out to be more mechanical than we thought previously, see cellular automata (IBM, Hofstadter)

the "guessing" part we have at some level solved in our AI designs, related to various Chaos theories and the last 2000 years of progress in math or so :p

But indeed you are right, making it summarize a text seems almost impossible.

Detecting sarcasm, yeah, i guess that it could be done but it would take tremendous time and testing so maybe we will see it in 10 years from now.
Todays AI is not intelligent, especially not the chatbots. Intelligence must come from within, not from other sources, because if that is the case then it is Knowledge (true or false, still knowledge)