'Lyrical Terrorist' found guilty

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  1. Ghost_007 Registered Senior Member

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    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7084801.stm

    Wth?!?! Completely insane. What the hell happened to freedom of expression, freedom of thought? Does it not apply to Muslims? Has this woman actually committed any crime? Has she been involved in any terrorist activity?

    The mind boggles.
     
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  3. Nickelodeon Banned Banned

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    The Mujahideen Poisons Handbook?
     
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  5. Ghost_007 Registered Senior Member

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    I doubt she went all the way to Afghanistan or Iraq to get that.

    Maybe she used Google?
     
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  7. Pandaemoni Valued Senior Member

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    Britain has no first amendment, so sometimes you get things like this. I suppose we'll have to wait and see who's system is better off in the long run, but after 200 years I neither see the British clamoring for American-style freedom of speech, nor Americans clamoring to return to their British roots.
     
  8. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    She's a wannabe terrorist. She deserves incarceration. Good thing the state got to her first, though, innit? Otherwise she might have done something silly. Her desire for martyrdom was "increasing daily".
     
  9. milkweed Valued Senior Member

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    well...

    you have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can be used against you.

    I know its US miranda, but still... Ya go and post things like that while accumulating a library of poison handbooks and your just asking to get nailed.

    She wasnt convicted for her 'poems'. She was convicted for having the poison handbook.

    I have to go now and hide my copy of .....

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_banned_books
     
  10. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    And tried to donate to terrorists.

    Reason enough, as they say.
     
  11. milkweed Valued Senior Member

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    oh yea. And that.
     
  12. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    Where can I get a copy of that poisons hand book

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    Seriously, I hope she doens't do to much time. She probably needed a good scare to pull her head out of her arse - that's about it.
     
  13. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    So was she punished for her speech? Or was she punished for owning a book? In the U.S. both are protected but there are exceptions for both. Advocating the overthrow of the government by force, conspiring to commit a crime, exhorting people to riot, lying for the purpose of fraud, these are all forms of speech that are prohibited. Actually I'm not sure what book you would have to own to be arrested, but writing one on those same topics would be illegal. I don't know whether you could be convicted of a crime for possessing a book of instructions for committing terrorism. They could take it away from you and it would take you fifty years in the court system to get it back, like cancer patients and their medicinal marijuana plants.
     
  14. Ghost_007 Registered Senior Member

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    Wannabes should be incarcerated. :bugeye: Who are the wannabes? Who decides who the wannabes are?

    Has she actually done anything wrong. Was she considered to be a terrorist threat? A girl working in WHSmiths has a book on poisons, big deal. Tell her off and that, but convicting her under the terrorism act, that is a joke. It is a complete sham.
     
  15. Ghost_007 Registered Senior Member

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    Owning 'terrorist manuals'.

    Stuff that is easily accessible from the Internet. Its not like she got in contact with members of Al-Qaeda.

    I feel it is very, very harsh.
     
  16. milkweed Valued Senior Member

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    I wish they had posted what terrorist org she tried to donate to. It seems by this wiki article that it might be Jihad Way.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samina_Malik

    I think this final thought sums it up well:

    "Perhaps, the right analogy is with child pornography on the net. It may be easy to wander into that world, but whatever your reasons for doing so, it will be taken very seriously if you do."

    http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/society/law_order/enigma of the lyrical terrorist/1027647
     
  17. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    One problem is she was working at an airport and the Citizens are pretty serious about making sure airport authorities are not too much inclined towards running a plane into some of their buildings. I'm sure if she was working as a stripper in a night club thing may have worked out different?

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    Regardless, I don't know how serious she was and from what I read I wouldn't want to see her do hard time, but I think a few months in the pokey may screw her head on straight.
     
  18. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    good point
     
  19. Neildo Gone Registered Senior Member

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    Yeah, serious. You can download those manuals on the Department of Justice's own website, wth.

    - N
     
  20. maxg Registered Senior Member

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    I hope my own attempts at verse won't get me in similar trouble.

    There once was a jihadist from Iraq
    Who grabbed President Bush by his sack
    When W screamed
    The jihadist beamed
    And the secret service gave him a smack
     
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  21. maxg Registered Senior Member

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    There have been a number of other cases in Great Britain where ownership of books that teach "bomb making" has been used in charge individuals with terrorist activities. The most recent one I remember reading about is a kid who owned a copy of the Anarchist Cookbook:
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7030096.stm

    It is completely absurd.
     
  22. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    It's also the law.

    Sorry. :shrug: Don't be a terrorist sympathizer if you don't want to do time.
     
  23. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    I wonder how Ghost would view it if I were able to travel back in time and donate money to the Stern Gang.
     

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