http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9707161/

TOLEDO, Ohio - A crowd that gathered to protest a planned march Saturday by a white supremacist group turned violent, throwing baseball-sized rocks at police and vandalizing vehicles.

Two hours after authorities called off the march, 150 officers continued to chase bands of youths. Those on foot, bicycles and horses joined the officers in helicopters and police cruisers.


SLIDESHOW: Images From Scene

Officers wearing gas masks fired tear gas canisters and flash-bang devices designed to stun suspects, only to see the groups reappear nearby.

Around 1:45 p.m., police in riot gear stood a short distance from a crowd of at least 100 people in an apparent stalemate. Someone in the crowd threw rocks at a passing pickup truck.

Police Chief Mike Navarre said that officers had a report of a man shot in the area, but they had not found a victim or a gunman. No other injuries had been reported, Navarre said.

At least two dozen members of the Roanoke, Va.-based National Socialist Movement, which calls itself "America's Nazi Party," gathered at a city park just before noon and were to march under police protection. Organizers of the march said that they were demonstrating against black gangs that they said were harassing white residents in the neighborhood.

The violence broke out about a quarter-mile from the park along the planned 1-mile route.

Keith White, a black resident, criticized city officials for initially allowing the march.

"They let them come here and expect this not to happen?" said White, 29.

Navarre said at a 1:30 p.m. media briefing that there had been at least six arrests. Police, fire and media vehicles were damaged, he said.

Navarre said that he believed all the members of the Nazi group had left the city.


Now, I don't agree with the neo-Nazi point of view. However, it is sure interesting that when a group tries to exercise their right to free speech, they are attacked and mobbed by thugs who accuse 'Neo-Nazis' of being hateful and violent. Hmm, how ironic!

Good point.
This is why the problem should be stopped at it's source.
That's why I said we should build a time machine, go back in time, and kill the first mammal.
Kill mammal, stop humans from evolving, and thus stop racism from ever forming.

Hapsburg,
You know time travel never works out! Killing that mammal would probably prove to be the thing that actually allows the human race to evolve rather than a race of mighty mice.

Dude, if you kill the first mammal, no other mammals will evolve from it. Thus, no apes will evolve, and thus humans don't evolve, therefore racism does not become an idea.
:p

What's wrong with racism? Is it wrong just because some/most people say it's wrong?

Like many such things in nature, wariness/caution is a natural, protective instinct and can't be so easily "turned off" like many seem to think. That same instinct is exhibited even when meeting someone new ...there's a natural, protective instinct towards caution.

I think most people are just caught up in the propaganda and automatically condemn that which they don't understand. It's politically correct to say, "Racism is a terrible thing!"

Baron Max

its wrong cause it produces people like you wo sprad propaganda about a people cause of the colour of their skin. who spean hours of the day focused on their fear and hatred against this 'other' people.....and this shit incites children and gullible people to think the same. tus spreading conflict and evil

its not being politically correct, or liberal pinko or whatever to expose pople likeyou and jb etc. it is being an intelligent human!

Well, Duendy, all ye're saying is just what most say ......racism is bad! ...LOL!

Just saying it, doesn't make it so.

Baron Max

What's wrong with racism? Is it wrong just because some/most people say it's wrong?

Apart from the fact that it’s pitiable and weak, it’s wrong because some people take their hate for another Race too far and act out their feelings through violent deeds. Feel free to have your Racist opinions, but don’t share them, and don’t take them to the next level.

Baron Max:

Well, Duendy, all ye're saying is just what most say ......racism is bad! ...LOL!

Just saying it, doesn't make it so.

I bet the Neo-Nazis who were prevented from having their march due to rioting must be laughing their asses off. Black gangs rioting, assaulting police, and vandalizing property just gives the neo-Nazi cause more credit. 'See, we say they are animals, and there they are acting like animals!'

It isn't racism to say that blacks are more violent/criminal than other races because it's a fact. Just look at the statistics.

Ye're right, sOmeguy, people are too hung up on political correctness (and accusing others of racism) that they refuse to face the facts of that very issue. Until we fully face the issues of race and cultural differences, as a society, we're never gonna' get any-fuckin'-where. ...yet many/most continue to stick their heads in the sand and ignore those overwhelming statistics and natural tendencies.

Baron Max

...yet many/most continue to stick their heads in the sand and ignore those overwhelming statistics and natural tendencies.
Worse, censor it in the press and treat the criminal as the victim and vice versa.

Ye're right, sOmeguy, people are too hung up on political correctness (and accusing others of racism) that they refuse to face the facts of that very issue. Until we fully face the issues of race and cultural differences, as a society, we're never gonna' get any-fuckin'-where. ...yet many/most continue to stick their heads in the sand and ignore those overwhelming statistics and natural tendencies.

Baron Max
oh right, and your facin are you? yeah ure. all see you do 25/7 i spread evil about how evil black people 'naturally are'. does tis include kids and grandmas or what?.....do you feel their pain? do you fluck. your too bust lookin blinkered in your typical rightous indignant way. facin it..my arse!

What's wrong with racism?
It's wrong because it incites hatred against people merely because they are different than you. Being different isn't wrong, it's what makes us human. Rscism is a crime against humanity.

It isn't racism to say that blacks are more violent/criminal than other races because it's a fact. Just look at the statistics.

We already looked at the statistics and saw other things.

We already looked at the statistics and saw other things.
You can't look at the statistics when your head is in your ass, so you better pull it out of your politically correct ass and look again, how many blacks of the total black population are involved in criminality compared to other races in %.

Fill a block with aziatic/white people.
What do you get? A peaceful place where people enjoy living.
Fill a block with black people.
What do you get? A neglected place loaded with drugdealers, violent people, death & destruction.

oh jeeeez, just what world needs. another racist

oh jeeeez, just what world needs. another racist
I'm no racist as I have lots of friends from other cultures. I'm merely pointing you politically correct people to the facts. If you don't like the facts then do something about it like help a project for better schooling for black people. But don't just sit there with your politically correct fat ass denying the facts.

You can't look at the statistics when your head is in your ass, so you better pull it out of your politically correct ass and look again, .

I think you should pull your head out of your nazi ass.

I think you should pull your head out of your nazi ass.
Can you actually argument that? Why do you think that I am a National Socialist?

So much for intellectual debate on Sciforums...

I can say whatever I want, because you cannot argue i am politically correct either.

I can say whatever I want, because you cannot argue i am politically correct either.

Well you're basically saying that it's racist to say that black people are more violent/criminal than other cultures. That's my argument for claiming that you are politically correct. Now why am I a nazi?

I'm no racist as I have lots of friends from other cultures. I'm merely pointing you politically correct people to the facts. If you don't like the facts then do something about it like help a project for better schooling for black people. But don't just sit there with your politically correct fat ass denying the facts.
i'm not politically correct ool. haven't you seen any other postsby me?

so your sayin you CARE about the gangsterism in black culture? about young black men being killed, and you wanna find a solution...?

Well you're basically saying that it's racist to say that black people are more violent/criminal than other cultures. That's my argument for claiming that you are politically correct. Now why am I a nazi?

Your arguments is lame...

So you are a nazi.

i'm not politically correct ool. haven't you seen any other postsby me?

so your sayin you CARE about the gangsterism in black culture? about young black men being killed, and you wanna find a solution...?

Wow did you just say that blacks have gangsterism? That's just so racist :)

then what are you?

Wow did you just say that blacks have gangsterism? That's just so racist :)
answer the question

so your sayin you CARE about the gangsterism in black culture? about young black men being killed, and you wanna find a solution...?
I don't care about gangsterism in black culture, I only care about how black criminality is affecting my life, family and friends.

Imagine how your culture have been causing genocide, poverty, dispair, violence, attrocities in other cultures.

But they are not allowed to interfer with your culture...how selfish

I don't care about gangsterism in black culture, I only care about how black criminality is affecting my society.
oh right. YOUR society where you are SO good and pure. you have no effect on what goes on right? racist shpeek. dude i haveheard ths for days

dp you ever think on te war on drugs? or dont your mind go that far?

Imagine how your culture have been causing genocide, poverty, dispair, violence, attrocities in other cultures.

But they are not allowed to interfer with your culture...how selfish

They have also caused that among their own culture... and why should we care about things that happened so many years ago?

oh right. YOUR society where you are SO good and pure. you have no effect on what goes on right? racist shpeek. dude i haveheard ths for days

I corrected it. I only care about the lives that I am directly involved with, doesn't matter what skin collor.

They have also caused that among their own culture... and why should we care about things that happened hundreds of years ago?
they are happening NOW!!!!!

They have also caused that among their own culture... and why should we care about things that happened so many years ago?

Are you telling me you are not meddling with Iraqi culture right now?

they are happening NOW!!!!!
Give me an example.

I did.

Give me an example.

IRAQ

Are you telling me you are not meddling with Iraqi culture right now?

In a few years there will be order and peace, or it will go wrong and one of their own people will overthrow the government and turn it into a war machine again, which is the only thing the country has seen in quite a time. It has always been a country in chaos. This is a good thing for the Iraqi people.

i'm not politically correct ool. haven't you seen any other postsby me?

so your sayin you CARE about the gangsterism in black culture? about young black men being killed, and you wanna find a solution...?
I think s0meguy wants to find a "Solution", but not the one we want...

In a few years there will be order and peace, or it will go wrong and one of their own people will overthrow the government and turn it into a war machine again, which is the only thing the country has seen in quite a time. It has always been a country in chaos. This is a good thing for the Iraqi people.


Yes, and slavery made black people better too.

Is that what you are saying?

Yes, and slavery made black people better too.

Is that what you are saying?

I'm saying that western order will force peace upon the country and after a (long) while they will get used to it, or it will not, as I suggested.

Not like black racism has anything to do with this.

Western order?

You mean the USA I presume.

In a few years there will be order and peace, or it will go wrong and one of their own people will overthrow the government and turn it into a war machine again, which is the only thing the country has seen in quite a time. It has always been a country in chaos. This is a good thing for the Iraqi people.
you see. you just showyour ignorance. all cause you feel yourself a superior whiteman, worship the criminal leaders, and are specialized in looking AT what you see is violence specific to black people.....would you agree you mean young MEn, and not grannies runnin round with machetes?

Iraq. do you know about Depleted Uranium?

Western order?

You mean the USA I presume.

The USA isn't the only country involved with Iraq.

you see. you just showyour ignorance. all cause you feel yourself a superior whiteman, worship the criminal leaders, and are specialized in looking AT what you see is violence specific to black people.....would you agree you mean young MEn, and not grannies runnin round with machetes?

Iraq. do you know about Depleted Uranium?

ROFL! I'm not even white, I don't worship any leader, I don't care about politics and I don't care about criminality among black people. Like I said before, I only care about what is directly affecting me or indirectly to some degree. Life is too short to worry about all that.

You mean if it involves a few countries instead of just 1 then this 'wolf pack' can do whatever they want in the world?

You mean if it involves a few countries instead of just 1 then this 'wolf pack' can do whatever they want in the world?

When they have 'good' motives then yes.

Now don't start whining about the oil issue, I'm just saying that in the end the Iraqi people will profit from this.

ROFL! I'm not even white, I don't worship any leader, I don't care about politics and I don't care about criminality among black people. Like I said before, I only care about what is directly affecting me or indirectly to some degree. Life is too short to worry about all that.
you are not white? are you black?

I'm not black either. My father is white and my mother is Aziatic. But why would you care. Are you white?

When they have 'good' motives then yes.

Now don't start whining about the oil issue, I'm just saying that in the end the Iraqi people will profit from this.

Saddam had good motives too. He wanted to unite Iraq again. After all, kuwait was just another Iraqi province.

Hitler also had good motives.


Wait...or could it be that the good motives of some are actually not seen as good by others? No, that is a too radical thought. Good can only be good.

It isn't racism to say that blacks are more violent/criminal than other races because it's a fact. Just look at the statistics.

Just food for thought, because I honestly don't know my own opinion on this matter, but:

Is it then reacist to assume that a black person will ensue violence in the future?

On one hand, you have that fact that (mind you, I am speaking in very general terms here) they do commit more crimes then others.

However, on the other hand, you have the fact that a crime does not exsist (sp?) until it is actually commited. So would it be moral, or legal even, to (this would be an extreme) follow a black man in order to secure the assets of society?

Personally, I don't like (insert offensive racial slur starting with an "N" here)s. Now, don't get me wrong, I am in no way racist. I have a bit of color, myself, although I doubt that counts for much (I'm Mexican). I like blacks, I just don't like (again, insert slur here)s. Why? Because they degrade themselves to the point which they don't deserved to be liked by me. A black person isn't self-centered, egotistical and rude, but a () is. It is one thing to have culture, it is another to act as though you are better then someone else.

The violence which ensued at the protest/march is symbolic for conformity to what the Neo-Nazis wish for them(blacks) to be. In the end, the Neo-Nazi group got away from this looking better then they started. From the video provided on CNN, it seemed as though many of the people in the riots were black/colored. Seems like an issue from the Inivisible Man. They attempt to protest for their individuality, yet group togeather to form a mob mentality in which all of them are apart, but none are in control.

If I offend you, my apologies. These are simply my beliefs.

Live well,
-Dave

Is it then reacist to assume that a black person will ensue violence in the future?

On one hand, you have that fact that (mind you, I am speaking in very general terms here) they do commit more crimes then others.

Not racist, just a stereotype. Gotta love how there's no such thing as a stereotype anymore but rather it's all racist. Am I racist by saying within the next 10 seconds, some Mexican elsewhere in the world is going to bite into a taco, a Muslim blow himself up, an Indian steal an American job, a white person gonna crookedly earn a few bucks, a Russian get drunk, or a Jew save a penny? It used to be fun times when people didn't have so many sticks up their unlubed butts where everyone could make fun of one another, even of various races, without everything being considered racist or "anti-semite" (also, why do Jews get the special privelage of their own derogatory term whereas for everyone else it's blanket "racism"?).


Personally, I don't like (insert offensive racial slur starting with an "N" here)s. Now, don't get me wrong, I am in no way racist. I have a bit of color, myself, although I doubt that counts for much (I'm Mexican). I like blacks, I just don't like (again, insert slur here)s. Why? Because they degrade themselves to the point which they don't deserved to be liked by me. A black person isn't self-centered, egotistical and rude, but a () is. It is one thing to have culture, it is another to act as though you are better then someone else.

Same here. I don't like niggers. I don't like wetbacks. Nor do I like rednecks or white trash. I don't like the degenerate types of all races because they're filthy, no-good, scum. It's just too bad when you refer to those low-lifes, people accuse you of thinking that of the whole race. :rolleyes:

- N

Not racist, just a stereotype. Gotta love how there's no such thing as a stereotype anymore but rather it's all racist. Am I racist by saying within the next 10 seconds, some Mexican elsewhere in the world is going to bite into a taco, a Muslim blow himself up, an Indian steal an American job, a white person gonna crookedly earn a few bucks, a Russian get drunk, or a Jew save a penny? It used to be fun times when people didn't have so many sticks up their unlubed butts where everyone could make fun of one another, even of various races, without everything being considered racist or "anti-semite" (also, why do Jews get the special privelage of their own derogatory term whereas for everyone else it's blanket "racism"?).


Same here. I don't like niggers. I don't like wetbacks. Nor do I like rednecks or white trash. I don't like the degenerate types of all races because they're filthy, no-good, scum. It's just too bad when you refer to those low-lifes, people accuse you of thinking that of the whole race. :rolleyes:

- N

You bring up very good points. I agree with you whole-heartedly. Although, I think the reason the Jewish get their own class of duragatories is because they went through the Holocaust. Being that it's the most recent race-involving tragedy, we are still somewhat touchy on the subject. Note that highschool, even junior highs are begining (sp?) to talk more and more about slavery, but the only focus on the Holocaust is through the social studies. I think that once we become somewhat accustomed to hearing Holocaust, which is very near, we will begin to talk through it more. In the future, once we are more accustomed to hearing "9/11," society will be able to analyze the event from different perspectives. Such is the case with all tragedies.

I'm glad you mention all races in your post. It's something I (sadly) skipped over. Thanks for not containing yourself to such a small boundry, as I did.

Come to think of it, I never really hear too much about Jew sterotypes or degenerates. What is a Jewish degenerate? American, anyways. I suppose the closest thing that can come to my mind would be a terrorist in Isreal. Anyhow, thanks for the response.

Live well,
-Dave

what i've noted wit this someguy dude is--typically--he, like other racists has one agenda only. to bad mouth and spread negative propaganda about black people

several times i have tried to engage him in discussion abou other very significant issues concerning violence--not 'black violence' white, red, green, etc, but vilencein OUR community--and he simply ignores exploring about it. ie., a very blinkered view which believes if it just can get rid of the 'other' it is scapgoating then 'his society' will be'purer'....same old pattern!.....you'll better exploring opening your MINDS. and seeing people as not black, jewish, mexican, white, etc., but as HUMAN BEINGS

Come on,
The only reason the blacks were rioting and looting again was because just like during hurricane Katrina, people needed food and other things to be able to survive while being a part of a "peaceful" protest.

what i've noted wit this someguy dude is--typically--he, like other racists has one agenda only. to bad mouth and spread negative propaganda about black people


Egad! Leave it to Deundy to twist what someone says!! The guy specifically said he had no problems with Blacks - just the ones that acted like low-lifers and he also included low-life Whites and rednecks in that as well.

In my opinion, racists are just a simgle notch above people who hurt children - and I hate those with a passion.

So, mind-warped Duendy, I'm certainly no racist - not a bit! - but I understand what the guy is saying and agree with him.

It isn't racism to say that blacks are more violent/criminal than other races because it's a fact. Just look at the statistics.

If by blacks you mean African Americans, then I'll agree with you to a point. African Americans have been bred for a couple hundred to be big strong and stupid, and while it has not been completely effective, it has skewed their race that direction.

Of course, if include Africans in your assessment, then your ignorance is showing.

And if you think that such racial profiling tells us anything useful about any individual African American, then you're stupid as well as ignorant.

But what else could we expect from a redneck?

Egad! Leave it to Deundy to twist what someone says!!

me::spreadng yer anti-duendy propagana agin sweetie pie?

The guy specifically said he had no problems with Blacks - just the ones that acted like low-lifers and he also included low-life Whites and rednecks in that as well.

me::tell you wht. you look thru YOUR eyes and il will look thru mine allight. dont need you lookin thrumy eyes. in fact i would want it at ALL ugggh!

In my opinion, racists are just a simgle notch above people who hurt children - and I hate those with a passion.

me::well ya got that right dudey

So, mind-warped Duendy, I'm certainly no racist - not a bit! - but I understand what the guy is saying and agree with him.
what areYOU on? gallons of coffee no doubt. heps ye keep followin me about huh?

If by blacks you mean African Americans, then I'll agree with you to a point. African Americans have been bred for a couple hundred to be big strong and stupid, and while it has not been completely effective, it has skewed their race that direction.

"African Americans" are considered the most intelligent of "Africans" in the world.

Unless you can name another place in the world?

changa....? you are the most stupideststupid that ever disgraced stupidcity

what areYOU on? gallons of coffee no doubt. heps ye keep followin me about huh?

I'm on nothing at all. And I'm sure not following you - you just keep getting in the way, that's all. :D

It isn't racism to say that blacks are more violent/criminal than other races because it's a fact. Just look at the statistics.

It's like saying Saddam had WMD's. Damn near every white person I know believed that shit. Same as they believe that the government is there friend and the police are good people! Does that mean that white people are brain dead sheep?

I believe that this world would be a better place if all white people were sent to another planet. That's a fact.

ALL the worlds problems stem directly/indirectly from white people. That's a fact.

They are for the most part a arrogant, greedy, lying, thieving, willing to sell there own mother for a dime, race. That's a fact.

They are for the most part murdering thugs. That's a fact.

More people have been harmed by the actions of white people than the other way around. That's a fact.

They are genetically inferior to all other races on the planet. That’s a fact.

White people commit more crime than all ethnic groups in the USA COMBINED! That’s a fact.

THESE ARE NOT RACIST STATEMENTS - THEY ARE FACT.

"African Americans" are considered the most intelligent of "Africans" in the world.

Unless you can name another place in the world?

I suppose that by Africans you mean blacks. So I'll ask, who considers African-Americans to be the smartest blacks? Certainly not anyone who's been to Botswana, Namibia, or even South Africa!

And as I said, I'm talking population averages, which tells you far less
than you'd need to draw conclusions about individuals.

changa....? you are the most stupideststupid that ever disgraced stupidcity

Are you sure? Because maybe I'm not black.

"African Americans" are considered the most intelligent of "Africans" in the world.

Unless you can name another place in the world?
Ah hah! Game, set, match. If African-Americans are smarter than Black Africans, then that proves it is due to cultural differences, not genetic ones, ie., better nutrition, education, government assistance...

They are genetically inferior to all other races on the planet. That’s a fact.

White people commit more crime than all ethnic groups in the USA COMBINED! That’s a fact.

THESE ARE NOT RACIST STATEMENTS - THEY ARE FACT.

Very well. You've really stuck yourself out there on a limb with this one. Now you will have to show us your "facts" and from reliable sources. Can you do it?

It's like saying Saddam had WMD's. Damn near every white person I know believed that shit. Same as they believe that the government is there friend and the police are good people! Does that mean that white people are brain dead sheep?

I believe that this world would be a better place if all white people were sent to another planet. That's a fact.

ALL the worlds problems stem directly/indirectly from white people. That's a fact.

They are for the most part a arrogant, greedy, lying, thieving, willing to sell there own mother for a dime, race. That's a fact.

They are for the most part murdering thugs. That's a fact.

More people have been harmed by the actions of white people than the other way around. That's a fact.

They are genetically inferior to all other races on the planet. That’s a fact.

White people commit more crime than all ethnic groups in the USA COMBINED! That’s a fact.

THESE ARE NOT RACIST STATEMENTS - THEY ARE FACT.
Nothing in your post is based on the truth, and you are a racist. Offcourse noone will ever tell you that - because only white people can be racist.

If your black people are so superior, then how come that almost every notable invention in the history of mankind was made by [insert any race other than black] people? It is White and Aziatic people that rule todays prosperous countries.

The only black people that run (corrupted) governments are in Africa, the poorest and most primitive countries in the world.

Nothing in your post is based on the truth, and you are a racist. Offcourse noone will ever tell you that - because only white people can be racist.

If your black people are so superior, then how come that almost every notable invention in the history of mankind was made by [insert any race other than black] people? It is White and Aziatic people that rule todays wealthiest countries.

The only black people that run (corrupted) governments are in Africa, the poorest and most primitive countries in the world.

White and Aziatic people rule the wealthiest countries. Apparently this signifies a CAUSAL relationship with intelligence or other human attributes.

No explanation of this causal relationship is given of course.

Neither is mentioned that we are talking about the current situation in the world. Might it have been different in the past? Will it be different in the future.

'Every notable invention is apparently made by any other race than black people.' Honestly, I don't even know how I could possibly even start by explaining how nonsensical this is, or pointless as an argument. You must all get your arguments of the same source, because you all sound like a broken record. It's basically the same as having to listen to a creationist. Fucking tiresome and fucking boring.

It's like saying Saddam had WMD's. Damn near every white person I know believed that shit. Same as they believe that the government is there friend and the police are good people! Does that mean that white people are brain dead sheep?

Well most believed it at first due to manipulated intellegence by the Bush Adminstration. The only whites who continue to believe it at the die-hard Republicans or the weak-minded that listen to Sean Hannity. At least most have wisened up after being fooled by Bush 'n Co. However, yes, most whites are Republicans so it may seem like most still believe Saddam has WMDs.

I believe that this world would be a better place if all white people were sent to another planet. That's a fact.

False.

ALL the worlds problems stem directly/indirectly from white people. That's a fact.

False. Only those in charge. It's just that whites control everything which makes it seem like it applies to them all.

They are for the most part a arrogant, greedy, lying, thieving, willing to sell there own mother for a dime, race. That's a fact.

False. Only those in charge. However, that applies to anyone in charge. Again, it's just that most whites are in charge. This applies to ANYONE who's is a greedy materialistic person and it applies to most Americans, especially the youth raised in the 90's on up life of Mtv with all the glam and "bling". The media and marketing industry disgusts me in how they turned everyone into materialistic people wanting to be like all these celebs and living the high life wearing expensive clothes, driving fast cars, glorifying the thug life, and all that crap. For the smart kids who've resisted, even if you're called losers by those types, my hat is off to you.

They are for the most part murdering thugs. That's a fact.

False. Only those in charge. And only those idiotic enough to follow them without question, such as those in the brainwashed military -- which, have a lot of blacks enlisted in it. ;)

More people have been harmed by the actions of white people than the other way around. That's a fact.

True. Wow, got one, at least. :p

They are genetically inferior to all other races on the planet. That’s a fact.

False. 2nd highest IQ next to Asians and physically, they have superior upper body strength. The lower body belongs to the blacks, the upper, the whites. It's one reason why most quarterbacks are white and it's also why most people in bodybuilding contests are white, especially those in the StrongMan competitions.

White people commit more crime than all ethnic groups in the USA COMBINED! That’s a fact.

True. But that's only because 75% of the U.S. population is white, heh.

THESE ARE NOT RACIST STATEMENTS - THEY ARE FACT.

No, they're opinions. One was fact and the other was a true statement, but a silly statement that doesn't mean much. It's like saying Chinese people commit the most crimes in China, Arabs commit the most crimes in the Middle East (actually, that would be the U.S. and Israel, heh :p ), and blacks commit the most crimes in Africa. Well gee, I wonder why, heh.

- N

yeah i'll go wid that neildo. good you pointed out the also racism that says its allwhites thats te problem. that is SCAPEGOATING....jeeeesus when you think of what te white PEOPLE have had to endure with persecution. torn from their land--which was actually owned by the aristocracy-still is---then stuffed sardine like into te most grim soul-dead/destroying concrete upright coffins. not a tree. no contact wit te land. made to work in godawful places or on welfare and made a scum --even by some whites whve managed to get out of tem and become 'middle class'.........their accenta mocked. teir images mocked in TV and film. stereotyped...and on and on.....

Nothing in your post is based on the truth, and you are a racist. Offcourse noone will ever tell you that - because only white people can be racist.

If your black people are so superior, then how come that almost every notable invention in the history of mankind was made by [insert any race other than black] people? It is White and Aziatic people that rule todays prosperous countries.

"It is White and Aziatic people that rule todays prosperous countries."

You say this like it a good thing. As rulers who have been given wealth like no ruler has ever known in the history of man, you brag that whites and Asiatic rule? What do you do with that wealth? Do you fed the poor? Do you house the homeless? Take care of the orphan? No, your White and Asiatic people store it up as to compete with each other. You kill over control of the worlds resources. You lie in your attempts to get the worlds people to follow your evil plans. You rape, murder, abuse, steal all in the name of your evil god - money. Do you really think it a good thing that you may be in charge of such evil?

You speak of your benevolence all the while stabbing the poor in the back. You are such do gooders. Yet you rush in haste towards destruction and are heedless as to the path you take. So lost you believe your own lies. Yet you think this is a good thing. :eek:

No, I’m not racist. Just aware. The day for the guilty blue-eye to be judge is almost upon us. Do not think because you sit in a position of power that you are on top. No, just getting enough rope to hang yourselves.

If you bothered to read, you'd find that living on the planet has been made easier but the inventions of men of color but because you see yourself as so mighty your brain won’t allow you to see. Your guilty ones have always attempted to hide truth and present falsehood. No matter. Truth always comes forth.

"It is White and Aziatic people that rule todays prosperous countries."

You say this like it a good thing. As rulers who have been given wealth like no ruler has ever known in the history of man, you brag that whites and Asiatic rule? What do you do with that wealth? Do you fed the poor? Do you house the homeless? Take care of the orphan? No, your White and Asiatic people store it up as to compete with each other. You kill over control of the worlds resources. You lie in your attempts to get the worlds people to follow your evil plans. You rape, murder, abuse, steal all in the name of your evil god - money. Do you really think it a good thing that you may be in charge of such evil?

You speak of your benevolence all the while stabbing the poor in the back. You are such do gooders. Yet you rush in haste towards destruction and are heedless as to the path you take. So lost you believe your own lies. Yet you think this is a good thing. :eek:

No, I’m not racist. Just aware. The day for the guilty blue-eye to be judge is almost upon us. Do not think because you sit in a position of power that you are on top. No, just getting enough rope to hang yourselves.

If you bothered to read, you'd find that living on the planet has been made easier but the inventions of men of color but because you see yourself as so mighty your brain won’t allow you to see. Your guilty ones have always attempted to hide truth and present falsehood. No matter. Truth always comes forth.

Right, blame white men for everything bad and evil in this world. Why didn't you reply to my statement that the only black people who run countries, are corrupt, abusing their own people. Would you rather live in Africa where the black people rule? You live in prosperity, you have the freedom to do whatever you want. You have that freedom because of white people. It doesn't matter what skin collor people are anyway. Because were all the same anyway, humans. Everyone has the capacity to be corrupt, greedy and violent.

You say this like it a good thing.

Well yes it is, actually. Just look at what happens in Africa, when black people run a country. But like I said were all human and were all capable of inhuman things. I'll leave it to you to figure out why people in countries run by black people are poor and have little freedom.

As for the world resources thing, just go look in Africa and see what the black people are doing to eachother in order to gain power over the natural resources.

A friend of mine once lead a project in Africa, to build a factory where the local people could work. They built up the factory with local workers, and bought expensive machinery. They instructed them and stayed with them for half a year. When they left, and returned after 2 months to see how it's going, he couldn't believe his eyes. The factory (which was paid for by white people by the way) was totally abandoned and everyone was living in poverty again. The machinery was largely sold for low prices.

There's much more to it, but this experience shows that Africans weren't capable of handling themselves.

hahaaa that's how you SEE it!...actually working in a factory - to me - is not an intelligent thing. i know...i have done it. and it is really crap, soul destroying!
........You are typically celebrating industrial fascism. this is the idea that industrial progress is evolution. NO, it isn't. It is industrial fascism. and those people rightly chose 'poverty' rather than be part of the whiteman's soul dead world

hahaaa that's how you SEE it!...actually working in a factory - to me - is not an intelligent thing. i know...i have done it. and it is really crap, soul destroying!
........You are typically celebrating industrial fascism. this is the idea that industrial progress is evolution. NO, it isn't. It is industrial fascism. and those people rightly chose 'poverty' rather than be part of the whiteman's soul dead world

Ahh, the wonderful viepoint of Duendy! When the real truth is those people would (and do) JUMP at the chance for such a job! That fact is witten all across Africa (ever visited there, Duendy?). There just aren't many jobs available there.

Ahh, the wonderful viepoint of Duendy!

me::least i have them and dont just dish out snide all oer tis forum...you wanker

When the real truth is those people would (and do) JUMP at the chance for such a job!

me:real truth huh?...re-read you clown

That fact is witten all across Africa (ever visited there, Duendy?).

me::yae....have you Light?

There just aren't many jobs available there.
ohhhhh go to the top the classs....and jump off! you have my permission

ohhhhh go to the top the classs....and jump off! you have my permission

Yes, I have viewpoints and I just expressed one, you hopeless hag. (Talk about a thick head!)

And yes, I've been there. And I also have family working in Nigeria right now. Whenever they announce a job vacancy, 50 people (and often more) show up wanting that single job. Prefer to live in poverty, eh? Garbage!!!

Yes, I have viewpoints and I just expressed one, you hopeless hag. (Talk about a thick head!)

me::Lyke, OMG!!!is Light a badmouth mthafker or whaaat?

And yes, I've been there. And I also have family working in Nigeria right now. Whenever they announce a job vacancy, 50 people (and often more) show up wanting that single job. Prefer to live in poverty, eh? Garbage!!!

Light? do us a favour? go and fukin love there preferably widout a computerrrrr?

as for what yer ravin abiut. i said go re-read. trouble with people like you who just crit crit crit is...you dont LISTEN. the people he referred to didne wanna work In te stinkin whiteman's factory. whatpart of that dont yer understand?

Light? do us a favour? go and fukin love there preferably widout a computerrrrr?

as for what yer ravin abiut. i said go re-read. trouble with people like you who just crit crit crit is...you dont LISTEN. the people he referred to didne wanna work In te stinkin whiteman's factory. whatpart of that dont yer understand?

I wasn't talking to him, Duendy, I was talking to YOU! You are the one who said "........You are typically celebrating industrial fascism. this is the idea that industrial progress is evolution. NO, it isn't. It is industrial fascism. and those people rightly chose 'poverty' rather than be part of the whiteman's soul dead world"

And that's an absolute falsehood - they have NOT chosen poverty - as you claim!

I wasn't talking to him, Duendy, I was talking to YOU!

me::oooooooo!(pulls covers to neck)

You are the one who said "........You are typically celebrating industrial fascism. this is the idea that industrial progress is evolution. NO, it isn't. It is industrial fascism. and those people rightly chose 'poverty' rather than be part of the whiteman's soul dead world"

me::i know what i said buster

And that's an absolute falsehood - they have NOT chosen poverty - as you claim!
i put poverty in commas......why? cause i am aware that theone whp told that story is an out an out racist sos theres no means to verify his racist tale designed to spread evil.....however, goin on WHA as said i could very well understand people NOT wanting to work in a factory as it is soul destrpying and chooin 'poverty'. ie., that even tough poor there still could be freedom...in that you are not tied to a conveyor belt

ph what the hell am i talkin to you for. you just wanna cause troble like old racit over there

Right, blame white men for everything bad and evil in this world. Why didn't you reply to my statement that the only black people who run countries, are corrupt, abusing their own people. Would you rather live in Africa where the black people rule?

For the present plight that has become Africa, yes I blame WHITE MEN. Greedy, resource stealing western thinking arrogant WHITE MEN. It's a given that those with so-called rule in certain African nations are in league with this greedy bunch of thieves. Whatever wealth that may be introduced into one of these nations is sitting in some African leader’s bank account. Its suppose to be that way. It one of the conditions of getting these funds. That they not be used to help the population. Can you say I.M.F? World Bank? [Look at the Venezuelan model and why the greedy and evil are against Chavez. ]

As for the world resources thing, just go look in Africa and see what the black people are doing to each other in order to gain power over the natural resources.

What resources? The ones being shipped out the country by the ton? The ones not helping the people of Africa?

Gain power? Have you bothered to study the history of Africa and how it got to the present point at which it exists?

A friend of mine once lead a project in Africa, to build a factory where the local people could work. They built up the factory with local workers, and bought expensive machinery. They instructed them and stayed with them for half a year. When they left, and returned after 2 months to see how it's going, he couldn't believe his eyes. The factory (which was paid for by white people by the way) was totally abandoned and everyone was living in poverty again. The machinery was largely sold for low prices..

? :eek: ? And? Would your "friend" have been happy if the machinery was sold for a high price? What's your point? That starving people should what, be happy with what the thieves and killers gives them after he's stolen all the gold and diamonds and left them with a fucking factory? Should they smile like Step N Fetcher and "Yes sir boss" all the way to the grave and thank good ol' western benevolence? Would you feel grateful if I broke into your house, stole all you shit and gave you a can of beans in return? And then when I saw you weren't grateful for that can of beans, subjected you to my boot?

I'm curious to know what an underdeveloped nation with primitive digging tools would actually do with diamonds.

You say this like it a good thing. As rulers who have been given wealth like no ruler has ever known in the history of man, you brag that whites and Asiatic rule? What do you do with that wealth? Do you fed the poor? Do you house the homeless? Take care of the orphan? No, your White and Asiatic people store it up as to compete with each other.

Curiously, I recall a particularily powerful African civilization ruling, killing, and conquering nations with perhaps the biggest class-poverty gap the world has ever known and it was called Egypt.

The thing is, nobody cares what whites and asians do with their power, because they earned it and through conquest determine what civilization is and what is just and unjust. Why is it in anyone's interest to feed those who cannot feed themselves? To help those who cannot help themselves? Such things are done out of charity and purity of heart, not necessity. That we can deliver aid to third world countries using our 'evil corporate white man technology' is a miracle of the modern world.

Racial prejudice makes you stupider, new research finds According to Dartmouth College :Full story. (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2003/11/17/MNGB633LED1.DTL)

If blacks think that whites are the most God awfull, hatefull, racist people ever, why are they not doing all they can to stay away from these white devils?

In fact, what blacks are doing is the complete opposite.

You just think blacks hate you so you can hate them back.

You just think blacks hate you so you can hate them back.
I don't hate blacks, I just want to avoid blacks because in my opinion they are to violent for my taste.

You are afraid and avoid blacks because you think they are violent.


Still the same. Just replace 'hate' with 'afraid' and with 'you think they are violent'.

I don't hate blacks, I just want to avoid blacks because in my opinion they are to violent for my taste.
yeah...cause it is what you re PROJECTING!....you who is 'JB' have/are ingrining yer brain. your very nervous system/mind is being patterned by your relentless crusade yer on..tooooo actually SEE what yo are beliving. get me?
Tim Leary would say you was 'imprinted'....ie., you are locked into your tunnel reality (RAW)....so now cazzoooom what you think is what you see

i recommend you contact some people fom 'recovering racists' and ask them stuff and i bet you they will know exactly whrer your coming from and talk to you from experience......but FIRST...FIRSST it is YOU who have to see you have a problem. if you dont then.........

You are afraid and avoid blacks because you think they are violent.


Still the same. Just replace 'hate' with 'afraid' and with 'you think they are violent'.And you think they are not violent, so whats the big deal?

Is it ok if I want to avoid them, I mean don't I have that right?

Freedom of accociation

You are afraid and avoid blacks because you think they are violent.


Still the same. Just replace 'hate' with 'afraid' and with 'you think they are violent'.

It's notable that people that argue against judging people by color are mostly black people/non-western foreigners. It isn't the color that people are afraid of but it's the violent culture in most of the heavily black populated areas.

American Genocide
http://jacobisrael.us/genocide.htm

The rate at which Blacks killed Blacks in 1994 was 876 times greater, and the rate at which they killed Whites was 164 times greater, than the rate at which Whites killed Blacks. Whites were twice as likely to be killed by Blacks than by Hispanics. Blacks were twice as likely as Hispanics and 71 times as likely as Whites to kill members of their own race. One quarter of the nation's homicides were committed by the 0.7% of the population who were Black men between the ages of 18-24. If there were no Blacks or Hispanics in the US at all, our homicide rate might be as low as North Dakota, or 0.2 per 100,000 population, one fiftieth of its all time high of 9.8 in 1991.

These are facts. Do not simply discard them because of the origin and contents (I disagree with the creator of this website on several points, but it's about the facts) on the website.

Here is something I posted at another thread in the history section.
http://www.vdare.com/taylor/050913_crime.htm

A few interesting quotes

Blacks are just 13 percent of the population but they commit more than half the muggings and murders in the country. Hispanics commit violent crimes at about three times the white rate.

The proportion of blacks and Hispanics in an area is the single best indicator of how dangerous it is. The racial mix is a much better predictor of crime rates than poverty, unemployment, and dropout rates combined.
Needless to say, some listeners didn't want to hear that blacks are in jail for robbery at 15 times the white rate. A surprising number of black callers claimed our "racist" white government cooks the statistics. Most white callers said one of two things: either that I was "racist" or that I was brave. (Somehow, no one ever thought I was a brave racist.)

If you want an interesting read on race and crime, go here. Don't discard it because of your PREJUDICE but face the facts!

Another interesting quote from that same thread:

Racism is one more way to persuade people to voluntarily live with delusions and stupid ideas. It is delusion if we think that a given criticism is true of blacks and not whites. There are many stupid ideas out there, some of which are so firmly entrenched, even in the 21st century and the age of enlightenment, that I don't have the time and energy to root them out. It's truly stupid to believe that blacks are any more promiscuous than whites as a race.

So you feel safe when you enter a bar with hells angels because the statistics show that white people commit less crime?

So you feel safe when you enter a bar with hells angels because the statistics show that white people commit less crime?

No but like I was saying, it's not the color but it's the culture.

And because the majority of said color seems to be involved in that culture...

Then obviously not all black people are the same. And your statistics are meaningless and you have to judge every individual on his or her own merits.

I never said that all blacks are the same.

The point that I am trying to prove here is that it is not racist to claim that a large part of the criminality is caused by a small group of black people that are a large part of the black population.

The statistics are facts and that is why it is not racist to claim that the statistics display the criminal behaviour of the average black man.

It's a bit of a pointless claim though. Since it has nothing to do with being black.

It's a bit of a pointless claim though. Since it has nothing to do with being black.

Perhaps not, perhaps it does. Perhaps it is true that the average black man is less intelligent and relies on basic instinct more than the average man of other races. It could be possible that such differences exist because black people developed seperate from other races. Would it be racist to say that elephants are less intelligent than monkeys? no. Humans in fact are animals. Several groups of humans developped themselves seperate from other human groups. Some humans are physically stronger in some parts of the area, while some people relied more on using their brains to survive and develop themselves.

So there. Some small groups of black people could have developed more than other black people or mixed with other race genes, and therefore rely more on their brains.

Speaking of brains, brains of all races could be identical on most points, it's just that when an individual learns to use his/her brains in a more effective way, said person can become more intelligent. And when this happens on a race level, there you have it: the race becomes more intelligent.

So there you have it. A biological proof. Which reminds me of this:

Racism is one more way to persuade people to voluntarily live with delusions and stupid ideas.

Your logic is faulty
First you say:
I never said that all blacks are the same.[/quote]

Then you say:
[QUOTE=s0meguy]The point that I am trying to prove here is that it is not racist to claim that a large part of the criminality is caused by a small group of black people that are a large part of the black population.

Then you progress to:
The statistics are facts and that is why it is not racist to claim that the statistics display the criminal behaviour of the average black man.

Which is it: that the Average Black Person is a criminal or only a small percentage of blacks are criminal minded?

Perhaps not, perhaps it does. Perhaps it is true that the average black man is less intelligent and relies on basic instinct more than the average man of other races. It could be possible that such differences exist because black people developped seperate from other races.

It could also be that the schools in most black areas are highly inadequate. Intelligence is not hereditary. Intelligence is learned. That’s a fact. Your whole argument is racist. To even think this is racist yet you keep attempting to prove something that can't be proven. This is just your opinion. It's like Hitler saying that all Jews were inferior.

But this is something that most blacks can tell you – Some white people have racism so deeply imbedded in there minds that they don’t think there racist. They try to find all these reasons why people of color have such violent behaviors. Could it be that they were born that way? Could it be they don't want to try? Could it be that they are less intelligent?

Yet they never seem to see what's right in front of them. They are somehow under the impression that every person in this country has the same avenues to advancement and that's just not true.

The crime rate in black areas has less to do with people being black and all to do with people being poor. Poor people no matter what color will have higher crime rates. Some poor people develop a survival mentally. If the situation was reversed and non-blacks were poor, you'd find higher crime rates in the areas they live in also. In fact, you can find that now in what is consider "trailer park trash" areas of the country which are by and large, white.

Blacks on the most part ARE NOT VIOLENT . I see the people that start wars. The ones who nuke other countries. The ones who steal billions from there employees leaving them dirt poor. The ones who lie and cheat to get ahead. I see the gun manufactures. The ones who ship drugs into this country. In other words, I see the ones who cause the most harm in the world and guess what, they aren't black!

I just love the way people such as you sit around and think that black people are less "human" than themselves. Not looking at the many reasons for outcome of what is considered a project. You sit there with your noses in the air thinking you are so much better than them.

In NYC and across the country, the school system is highly inadequate. It's designed so that anyone who enters them will not have the basic skills required to make it to college. It’s designed to make one not even think about college.

Also, when a school kid is starving, it's kind of hard to keep your mind in books. When you can’t find job, it’s hard to keep thinking about straight A’s.

…I generally like to look at people for what they are – not the color of ones skin. I realize that the powers that be have a vested interest in keeping the masses separate but every time someone such as yourself displays such ignorance, I can’t help but revert back to “you” and attempt to dispel you misconceptions.

So there. Some small groups of black people could have developed more than other black people or mixed with other race genes, and therefore rely more on their brains.

Speaking of brains, brains of all races could be identical on most points, it's just that when an individual learns to use his/her brains in a more effective way, said person can become more intelligent. And when this happens on a race level, there you have it: the race becomes more intelligent.

So there you have it. A biological proof.

So, I wonder, when will you start you use your brain? What "biological proof" have you proven? You just saying stupid things will not make them true. It like me saying that all Asiatic [what part of Asia are you from? ] people can't drive and the men have small penises and they all know how to iron a shirt and wash clothes and there women “love you long time”. It's stupid yet I'm sure I can find "Proof" to back up these stupid claims.

Right On(((((((((dkb218...

The crime rate in black areas has less to do with people being black and all to do with people being poor. Poor people no matter what color will have higher crime rates.

If that's really the case, then can you name any poor white "ghetto" or "trailer trash" area in any city in the USA that has a crime rate as high as the poor black "ghetto" areas in most, if not all, US cities?

If what you say is true, then you should be able to name numerous white "ghetto" areas in numerous cities. I'd also like you to check out the crime rates in poor white states like, say, West Virginia ...and/or some of the poor white cities in similar states.

It could also be that the schools in most black areas are highly inadequate. Intelligence is not hereditary.

Check some of the poorer white areas of the USA and the equally inadequate school systems ....why ain't the crime rate as high as the black areas??

In fact, you can find that (higher crime rates) now in what is consider "trailer park trash" areas of the country which are by and large, white.

Name a few areas ...I'd be highly interested. I've tried numerous times and can't find such a white area with a similar crime rate as black areas.

Baron Max

Poor white people are more likely to be complacent about it, poor black people are proactive, and figure out ways to get ahead. This shows initiative.

criminality is caused by a small group of black people that are a large part of the black population.

You didn't understand what I said. What I said is that a small group of people cause a huge part of the criminality in the west. That small group is a large part of the black population.

It could also be that the schools in most black areas are highly inadequate. Intelligence is not hereditary. Intelligence is learned. That’s a fact. Your whole argument is racist. To even think this is racist yet you keep attempting to prove something that can't be proven. This is just your opinion. It's like Hitler saying that all Jews were inferior.

Fine. Let's try this logic: cats are more intelligent than Elephants. Is this a racist statement?

There's this big turtle species and there is a small turtle species. The big species is more intelligent. Is this a racist statement?

There is this white bird and a black bird. The black bird is more intelligent than the white bird because it developed in an area where it had to use and develop specific aspects of it's intelligence. Is this a racist statement?

People from Kenia run faster than people from other countries in general. Is this a racist statement?

The Average Aziatic man is more intelligent than the Average Black man. Is this a racist statement? If yes, then why were the previous statements not racist statements?

But this is something that most blacks can tell you – Some white people have racism so deeply imbedded in there minds that they don’t think there racist. They try to find all these reasons why people of color have such violent behaviors. Could it be that they were born that way? Could it be they don't want to try? Could it be that they are less intelligent?


Exactly the opposite of what you say is true. You have your conviction so deeply embedded that it can't make place for something that actually makes sense. Try that logic.

Yet they never seem to see what's right in front of them. They are somehow under the impression that every person in this country has the same avenues to advancement and that's just not true.

No. The people that you accuse of racism on this board recognise that not all blacks are criminals and so do I, as I have mentioned before, I know many friendly people from other cultures including black.

The crime rate in black areas has less to do with people being black and all to do with people being poor. Poor people no matter what color will have higher crime rates.
I agree. But some races or certain groups may be more sensitive to criminal attractions; If I didn't formulate that correctly I'm not sure how to put this as English is not my first language.

It's like 2 species of bears; Bears from Russia might be more attracted to use violence than bears from Africa.

Blacks on the most part ARE NOT VIOLENT . I see the people that start wars. The ones who nuke other countries. The ones who steal billions from there employees leaving them dirt poor. The ones who lie and cheat to get ahead. I see the gun manufactures. The ones who ship drugs into this country. In other words, I see the ones who cause the most harm in the world and guess what, they aren't black!

Are you blaming white people for this, or are you blaming people in general, or are you blaming nature for producing life?

If you are blaming white people for this, that would be racist by your own standard. Besides, I could counter every accusation except maybe nukes to an extent with an accusation towards black people.

I just love the way people such as you sit around and think that black people are less "human" than themselves.
Replace "human" with "civilized in a modern way" and replace "black people" with "black people in general"

You sit there with your noses in the air thinking you are so much better than them.
I've heard this so many times before. No, I do not see things like that in the least. Isn't this called prejudice?

Instead of blocking the last few phrases from processing by your conscious brain (human defense meganism for preventing information that doesn't correspond to one's own interpretion of sensitive things to enter) try to learn from all this in your own way.

In NYC and across the country, the school system is highly inadequate. It's designed so that anyone who enters them will not have the basic skills required to make it to college. It’s designed to make one not even think about college.

I agree. I am not an American myself but it is widely known that the American school system is rubbish.

So, I wonder, when will you start you use your brain? What "biological proof" have you proven? You just saying stupid things will not make them true. It like me saying that all Asiatic [what part of Asia are you from? ] people can't drive and the men have small penises and they all know how to iron a shirt and wash clothes and there women “love you long time”. It's stupid yet I'm sure I can find "Proof" to back up these stupid claims.

Just because it's simple doesn't mean it's stupid. When 2 groups of animals develop in a seperate area while they were the same species at one time, they will after a while start to show differences in behavior and physical properties.

…I generally like to look at people for what they are – not the color of ones skin. I realize that the powers that be have a vested interest in keeping the masses separate but every time someone such as yourself displays such ignorance, I can’t help but revert back to “you” and attempt to dispel you misconceptions.

Prejudice. I have stated my point quite a few times, and it was certainly not to prove that all blacks are criminal or violent.

I do not judge people by skin color. Any individuals that I personally know in any way I always judge by their actions.

Poor white people are more likely to be complacent about it, poor black people are proactive, and figure out ways to get ahead. This shows initiative.

Proactive by means of having riots eh?

You didn't understand what I said. What I said is that a small group of people cause a huge part of the criminality in the west. That small group is a large part of the black population.

[In actually, a Large group - whites cause the majority of crime in the west]

Fine. Let's try this logic: cats are more intelligent than Elephants. Is this a racist statement?
[I'm neither cat or elephant]

There's this big turtle species and there is a small turtle species. The big species is more intelligent. Is this a racist statement? :eek:


There is this white bird and a black bird. The black bird is more intelligent than the white bird because it developed in an area where it had to use and develop specific aspects of it's intelligence. Is this a racist statement?
[I'm not a bird nor am I a turtle]

People from Kenia run faster than people from other countries in general. Is this a racist statement?

[I'm not from Kenya]

The Average Aziatic man is more intelligent than the Average Black man. Is this a racist statement? If yes, then why were the previous statements not racist statements?

[What is Aziatic man? How have you proven this statement to be true? What makes for intelligence? Maybe your logic should have said the average Aziatic man has access to better schooling therefore will become more intelligent than the average black man. I understand that logic. Your logic makes it a "My brain is more advance than your brain" thing and that's just not true]


Are you blaming white people for this, or are you blaming people in general, or are you blaming nature for producing life?

If you are blaming white people for this, that would be racist by your own standard. Besides, I could counter every accusation except maybe nukes to an extent with an accusation towards black people.

[Will if you could, you'd be lying. I'm not blaming white people for anything - just telling it how it is.]

[In actually, a Large group - whites cause the majority of crime in the west]

Whew... I must say that I'm impressed. I was almost losing my sanity when I read that post. That didn't take place quite a while. I'll make it really simple for you this time. Even one of those moronic IQ 70 'homies' could understand this.

Let me quote something from a previous post.

One quarter of the nation's homicides were committed by the 0.7% of the population who were Black men between the ages of 18-24

The animals thing was to compare us to other things of our nature.

To call someone a racist for claiming that black people in general are dumb is the same as claiming that someone is a racist for claiming that polar bears are physically stronger than brown bears.

Conclusion: one cannot be a racist for stating facts

Your stats say nothing about the nature of 'blacks'.

There are many possible reasons for those crime statistics. Correlation doesn't imply causation. As you might know, being black has an effect on your place in society independent of your own personal qualities. To be scientific about it, you would need to put numbers of blacks and whites in controlled conditions from birth and then measure their response to identical situations.

once again lets quote something earlier from this thread.

Perhaps not, perhaps it does. Perhaps it is true that the average black man is less intelligent and relies on basic instinct more than the average man of other races. It could be possible that such differences exist because black people developed seperate from other races. Would it be racist to say that elephants are less intelligent than monkeys? no. Humans in fact are animals. Several groups of humans developed themselves seperate from other human groups. Some humans are physically stronger in some parts of the area, while some people relied more on using their brains to survive and develop themselves.

Can you guys atleast consider the possibility of such a natural event to have taken place?

Any person's performance is affected, positively or negatively, by the society he lives in.

once again lets quote something earlier from this thread.

Your stats don't prove or suggest anything like that.

Your stats don't prove or suggest anything like that.

It does. The amount of black people that are involved in criminality in proportion to the size of the black population is much much much higher than that same statistic on say white people.

You could argue that that is because living standards; But you could also argue that it is because genetic issues. Maybe not in an direct way, but in an indirect way. Why is it so hard for you to consider that this might also be a cause; Just like living standards?

The answer to this question would be: TABOO

Everywhere on the world people with different properties live; Physical and mental properties which have to do with genetics.

Hmm..because there isn't any evidence for your postulation of race differences but there is evidence (scientific) for social causes.

i wonder someguy.....why you choose the name ? cause you must think that?

have you got te guts to call a young black man a ,moronic 70IQ dumb nigger'? which of course what you think?.....no. of course you wouodn't. cause you then would have a taste of tat violence you flusterly go on about. tally ignoreing--as you racists always do--the CONTEXT of violence. not 'black violence or 'white' violence, red etc

alo let me ask you. or if yer still sulking, bmax jb...new racist kid on the block stuart?..etc. what VALUE do you give to black people?...just answer that?

http://sq.4mg.com/NationIQ.htm

http://jacobisrael.us/iqrace.htm

Just a few googled websites - it has been proven.

I feel sorry for you dkb

Whew... I must say that I'm impressed. I was almost losing my sanity when I read that post. That didn't take place quite a while. I'll make it really simple for you this time. Even one of those moronic IQ 70 'homies' could understand this.

The animals thing was to compare us to other things of our nature.

To call someone a racist for claiming that black people in general are dumb is the same as claiming that someone is a racist for claiming that polar bears are physically stronger than brown bears.

Conclusion: one cannot be a racist for stating facts

I was wondering why your post seemed so childish. You are a child. 18? Come on. Life is much more than the simple things you've learned at 18. To call s0meguy racist for stating an opinion as fact is not racist - it's a fact.

Your conclusions are all wrong. You have no knowledge. These comparisons with animals to humans are not making your point and that little Even one of those moronic IQ 70 'homies' could understand this seems to prove my point, that you are racist.

You seem to be the type that has two hobbies in life - Books and a lack of common sense. Your book smarts will only get you so far in this world.

You seem to want to convince people of your intellect yet with all you say, you just get dumber and dumber.

http://sq.4mg.com/NationIQ.htm
oh i see. you cant even speak. you choose to thorw at me a silly arsed IQ tester kit,,,,,which proves what? i will tell you. your silly little narrow mind, which is full of fear and hate rates IQ test as THE scientific for intelligence right. that is your measurin stick!......you are just tooo sad dudey

“ Even one of those moronic IQ 70 'homies' could understand this ”

seems to prove my point, that you are racist.

No, I was refering to a culture. One of my studymates is black, actually. I have nothing against the color, it's the culture, the hate.

You incorrectly judged me. Everything you said about me is wrong, unbased. So is everything that you based life on for some non existent reason. You must think that you are wise or something.

No, I was refering to a culture. One of my studymates is black, actually. I have nothing against the color, it's the culture, the hate.

You incorrectly judged me. Everything you said about me is wrong, unbased. You must think that you are wise or something.

No, I think you're a stuck up little asian snub who has need of some simple common sense. But what I think about you doesn't really matter just as what you think about makes no difference to me.

No, I was refering to a culture. One of my studymates is black, actually. I have nothing against the color, it's the culture, the hate.

You incorrectly judged me. Everything you said about me is wrong, unbased.....

@i have nothing against the color, it's theclture, the hate@

and may i ask, are you in any way aware of the hate in the ruling power white culture?

http://sq.4mg.com/NationIQ.htm

http://jacobisrael.us/iqrace.htm

Just a few googled websites - it has been proven.

I feel sorry for you dkb

You feel sorry for me?!?! What "proof" have these sites? Dude, there is no proof here. They are all OPINION! This is not proof. Proof would be taking two people, giving them the same everything and seeing who would come out ahead. These bullshit little sites you call proof...?

Please stop - your making yourself look dumber and dumber...

You feel sorry for me?!?! What "proof" have these sites? Dude, there is no proof here. They are all OPINION! This is not proof. Proof would be taking two people, giving them the same everything and seeing who would come out ahead. These bullshit little sites you call proof...?

Please stop - your making yourself look dumber and dumber...

I never stated that these websites contained any proof.

I googled and I glanced. I might do some actual research on the subject later.

You just glanced and judged. You probably didn't even look at them at all.

The only websites that contain facts for you are websites that you would agree with anyway.

I know who you really should be afraid off.

Men.

Men commit more crimes than women.

Doesn't matter if they are white, black, purple or orange. All coloured men commit more crimes than women.

I suggest you surround yourself with women.

Do not interact with men...

avoid them.

I know who you really should be afraid off.

Men.

Men commit more crimes than women.

Doesn't matter if they are white, black, purple or orange. All coloured men commit more crimes than women.

I suggest you surround yourself with women.

Do not interact with men...

avoid them.

What a fine example you make there. A reason for this may be that men have developed themselves in a different way.

*Ducks and hides*

"You sexist! The world would be better off without people like you!"

*runs away chased by a hord of brainwashed sciforums members*

I don't see what is so shocking here.

You must have realized that genetically and physiologically men and women are quite more different than a black man is different to a white man..

If you are consistent now in your reasoning there should be a complete isolation of male and female community. Or do you take pleasure or satisfaction in exposing women to male crime rates?

If you say A you must say B.

I know who you really should be afraid off. Men. Men commit more crimes than women.

Actually, Spurious, ye're not too far off in that statement ...even tho' I think ye're trying to be sarcastic. However, where you've missed the point, in my opinion, is using the word "afraid" rather than "cautious". I.e., "You should be more cautious about strange men, than with strange women." And anyone with any sense should take heed to those words! But the issue is NOT, or should not be, fear .....only sensible caution.

I think, in the same light, one should be more cautious of a group of men walking toward you with baseball bats and "looking" mean and nasty, and less cautious of a single man in a nice, fashionable suit carrying a briefcase. The key to it, of course, is the ability to quickly "judge" those around you ....and if you don't, or can't, then you just might become a victim!

I suggest you surround yourself with women. Do not interact with men... avoid them.

Well, I prefer women, of course. But ye're taking your little bit of silly sarcasm just a bit too far. One does not have to "avoid" men to be cautious of those who might do you harm. For example, would anyone with any brains at all walk right up to "vicious-looking" motorcycle gang members and try to start a conversation about the merits of .....well, cleanliness and fashionable mens' wear? Or about the great job that the cops are doing? Or that Japanese motorcyles are better than Harleys?

Caution .........NOT fear.

Baron Max

On the genetic differences between different geographic populations.

http://www.nature.com/news/2005/051024/full/051024-6.html

And HapMap shows how differences between ethnic groups can be very subtle. For example, across the 1 million sites examined, only 11 always contained a different genetic base in the Nigerian samples when compared with the same site in the European samples.

"This speaks to the fact that the genetic differences between different populations in various geographic areas are minor," says Daly.

But although the absolute differences between the various ethnic backgrounds are tiny, there are genetic trends that differ between ethnic groups. A given set of SNPs may be linked in one way in Asian populations for example, but in a different way in Europeans. Over the whole genome there are more differences between individuals than there are between ethnic groups, but such trends are still thought to be useful for targeting drugs.

Hudson stresses that not all people within an ethnic group share the same SNP pattern, so pharmaceutical companies should bear this in mind. "We would want to give a drug not based on the colour of someone's skin but based on the presence or absence of the genetic markers," he says.

Can any racist understand this???? Or should we make it simpler for you?

amongst some Carrabean people the white man was seen as the Infidel........tis is understandable...tell ya why. the particular white trait has been the emphasis on 'logic'---hence their technologcial supremacy. but tis has come about via the loss of their very soul/feeling....let me quickly add i dont mean ALL white people. many many many of the people of the land have been severely persecuted and their real history has been eradicated--as the ruling white power elite doone with black history...!.....