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blackmonkeystatue
07-28-04, 09:38 PM
Hello, I've heard and read few things over the last few months and have been pretty curious about them. I wanted to get an idea of whether people agree or disagree with them. If you disagree, please tell me what your opinion is, thanks.

A. Regarding lust and attraction, men judge women on whether or not they can picture themselves having sex with them.

B. Regarding lust and attraction, women judge men on whether they can picture themselves kissing them.

C. Generally, men have a much easier time seperating love and lust than women do, where more often than not, they act independantly. This offers a partial explanation to the sexual habits and wants of most men.

D. Generally, women most often tend to associate love with lust, where more often than not, they act depentantly. This offers a partial explanation to the sexual habits and desires of most women.


Some explaination: To explain C and D, just as a simple example consider the way most men tend to "check out" women (and fantasize having sex with them), whereas women don't reciprocate to nearly the same extent. Another example may be many more men using prostitutes compared to women using prostitutes. This is, of course, leaving biological factors out of the picture.

Please let me know whether you agree or disagree, especially where you disagree.

gendanken
07-28-04, 09:48 PM
A. Regarding lust and attraction, men judge women on whether or not they can picture themselves having sex with them.

B. Regarding lust and attraction, women judge men on whether they can picture themselves kissing them.

*snort*
Come again? Think she only wishes to kiss you when her body is on fire?

C. Generally, men have a much easier time seperating love and lust than women do, where more often than not, they act independantly. This offers a partial explanation to the sexual habits and wants of most men.


Don't know about you, but I tend to think the male remains animalistic in his desires.

"Man's jealousy, like his love, is more intense and less extended or prolonged. The sense of possession is stronger in the male, and constitutes half his love; love is not merely self abandonment, it is also by the contradictoriness of things, a enlargment and victory of the self"
- from Mansions of Philosophy.

He seeks to conquer, obtain, and satiate a burning desire. She seeks to keep this satiety from him, and makes love an identity where to him its simply a tool.

water
07-29-04, 02:45 AM
D. Generally, women most often tend to associate love with lust, where more often than not, they act depentantly. This offers a partial explanation to the sexual habits and desires of most women.

I have always had this "practical problem" with Christianity and Jesus. One is supposed to love Jesus. But Jesus is a man. And in most pictures, and now in films, he is portrayed as this quite goodlooking man. Smiling at you. But you, as a woman, know you shouldn't look at him as a man. You are told this, by men. He is your Saviour. But, he is a man.

So I'm not surprised that in the Western, Christian based society, and idea like

B. Regarding lust and attraction, women judge men on whether they can picture themselves kissing them.

... Since Jesus is your Saviour, not a man, and to kiss him, that's as close as you, a Christian woman, could get. And since to a woman, Jesus is just a man, they may begin to feel towards other men the same way they are expected to feel about Jesus. A perfect way to surpress female lust.

gendanken
07-29-04, 12:46 PM
Rosa:
have always had this "practical problem" with Christianity and Jesus. One is supposed to love Jesus. But Jesus is a man. And in most pictures, and now in films, he is portrayed as this quite goodlooking man. Smiling at you. But you, as a woman, know you shouldn't look at him as a man. You are told this, by men. He is your Saviour. But, he is a man.

So I'm not surprised that in the Western, Christian based society, and idea like

Robert Powell.
"Jesus of Nazareth"

Blue-eyed god made me so fucking........hot.

And since to a woman, Jesus is just a man, they may begin to feel towards other men the same way they are expected to feel about Jesus. A perfect way to surpress female lust.
Applicable only if all men resemble Jesus.
The Negro and the Mongoloid race have their quota of lustful women.
Do all men look like Jesus to you?

A planet filled with Powells is..mouthwatering.

water
07-29-04, 02:19 PM
Gendanken,

Applicable only if all men resemble Jesus.

... and they ought to, mind you.


The Negro and the Mongoloid race have their quota of lustful women.

... and I take the way female lust and attraction are described in the opening post does not apply to them.


Do all men look like Jesus to you?

Heh. No, not at all. But there is an obscure picture of J. by Albrecht Dürrer, and another one by Anton van Dyk - awfully cute J.'s.

blackmonkeystatue
07-29-04, 07:07 PM
*snort*
Come again? Think she only wishes to kiss you when her body is on fire?

I think you may have misunderstood me, or maybe I've misunderstood you. I didn't mean that kissing men is all women want to do. Let me try to say what I meant in those statements another way.

When men see attractive women, their lust more often shows itself in the man picturing/fantasizing about "fucking" that woman.

When women see an attractive man, their lust more often shows itself in the women picturing/fantasizing about kissing the man (or foreplay, passion etc.), but certainly not straight up being "fucked" by that man--or at least not near as often as men do women.

Thats what I meant by men juding women on whether they can picture themselves having sex with them, and women judging men on whether they can picture themselves kissing them.

Correct me if you have a different idea on how men and women generally behave.

Lemming3k
07-30-04, 11:01 AM
A. Regarding lust and attraction, men judge women on whether or not they can picture themselves having sex with them.
By pure definition of lust then of course thats true, attraction to the point of love is an entirely different matter, I'd disagree with the second part, men dont judge women based on being able to picture sex with them.
B. Regarding lust and attraction, women judge men on whether they can picture themselves kissing them.
By definition of lust then it doesnt stop at kissing does it? And as far as i know women dont judge men on being able to picture kissing them or having sex with them. Again love is a different matter.

C and D, i wouldnt say either sex is able to separate love and lust any easier than the other, some people simply know what they want and understand that better than others.
I think all these options are very stereotypical and incorrect.

James R
07-31-04, 12:10 AM
According to evolutionary biology, the best reproductive strategy for a male is often to try to impregnate as many females as possible. On the other hand, the best reproductive stratagy for a female is to find a male who will support and protect her and her offspring. The difference comes from the relative investment of time and energy that members of each sex have to put into reproduction. For the male, it's a quick bonk. For the female, its a much longer gestation period, followed by a birth and rearing of the offspring.

So far, I haven't said anything specific to human beings. But this theory applies equally to human animals as to other animals. It tells us that we should expect men to be more willing to treat sex as a bit of fun, and to be more open to the possibility of multiple sexual partners. Women, on the other hand, are probably more interested in forming a supportive relationship with a single partner who will stay for the long haul.

For related reasons, men tend to emphasize physical attractiveness in a desirable partner, while women tend to be less concerned with that and more concerned with the ability of a man to support them emotionally, physically and (often) financially.

I don't think it is the case that women confuse love with lust - or at least no more than men do. It is more that men can be content with a fair dose of lust; they aren't so much after long-term commitment.