i was SO disapointed by the second movie

i should have known they would destroy it after what they did to marry's caricter

the ents CHOSE to go to war, the elves NEVER waver in the surport for the fight against the dark lord and Eroind is FOR aragon marrying arwen

i was telling this to someone and he said "okay asguard,its a movie, it cant be just like the book or else no one would see it because books suck"

OMG

and then he tryed to tell me that more people have seen the movies than have EVER read the books

this is set that was in its 18th printing in 98

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

I haven't yet seen the movie (it isn't yet in Latvia), but my friends from other countries tell me that they quite liked the film and that it was not a bit worse than the first one.

Avatar, you must see it - MUST MUST MUST MUST MUST - just for the battle scenes.

I will - 15th of January
no chance of getting the tickets sooner if you don't want to stand in the line from 6am that is

was telling this to someone and he said "okay asguard,its a movie, it cant be just like the book or else no one would see it because books suck"

I was the one who said that. It was me. It was part joke and part truth. Let's go through this again, Asguard.:)

and then he tryed to tell me that more people have seen the movies than have EVER read the books

Your wrong.

Box Office Data
Domestic Gross: $513,422,345
International Gross: $635,322,095
Worldwide Gross: $1,148,744,440

And thats just for The Fellowship of the Ring.

59 countries show LOTR on the big screen. The books however have only been translated 15 times for 15 different countries. That includes Germany, France, Switzerland, and Japan.

The books did sell about 100 million copies, that doesnt mean that people read them all the way through, or liked them for that matter. But if you divide the average ticket price ($7 USAD) into 1 billion (Worldwide Gross, including USA and everyone else) even (thats right Im rounding down)....

You get: 1, 641, 063, 485 people that have seent the movie world wide. Now lets subtract the 6% of people who probably walked out of theaters, and then the people who did repeat visits which is about 17% (this is according to data found here at Louisville Tech, not on the comp, sorry).... Well, that still leaves about a billion people who have seen the movie... Asguard, I think your wrong.

I thought the books were fairly boring. I pretty much just skimmed the first and haven't bothered with the second and third.

I haven't read any of the books. But I love the movies! Just the battle scenes in TTT were awesome... Shouldnt this thread be in scifi?

I enjoyed the books, bought one that was in the one volume version. I found the writing to be superb in some places and extremely dull in others. I'm a little sketchy on the two towers, but I think for half the book Aragorn is just talking to the king of Rohan in upper-elite-from-middle-ages-speke. I'm disapointed that the part with Shelob wasn't in this film, that made the Two Towers my favorite of the three.

I've seen the film twice so far. I love it. Although the movie doesn't give really any actor enough time to warrant a "his acting was great" title (which they could not have done anyway) overall the acting was superb. Gollum is not only one of the coolest characters ever done in a film, I found him to be totally convincing, both in the special effects department and with his "acting." Grima Wormtongue also did an awesome job. The scene where the king was young-i-fied by Gandalf was very awesome. The battle scenes were amazing, every last one of them was a nerd's dream. Comedy relief by Gimli kicked ass. Just before the battle of helm's deep begins he asks Legolas if he can describe what is happening, then Legolas replies with something to the effect of "no, but would you like a box." Gimli laughs. Like I said, the cinematography was gorgeous, with the king of Rohan (forget his name) starting the scene where he cries for his son with only a flower in the shot. There were others (but not as many as the original).

Somehow I found it funny.

And for the cons...

Some of the writing seemed a little questionable, I found that Gandalf was hardly in the film at all, probably for the better, because he was made out to be almost too cool, I'm not sure I can go into any more detail. Grima's character and acting was great, but he said something rather poetic about Eowyn that seemed unrealistic, about spring on a winter's day. Dunno.

All in all, great film, I'll be watching it 'till my dying day eight hundred years from now:)

By the way all of us need to slap thor around a little bit so he'll see this movie. This includes xev avatar counsler and me.

Forward!

I'm going to see TTT today! YAY!!! :D I'm so excited! Plus, before watching it, I'll be going to City Hall to see the LoTR-themed ice sculpture competitions! :D WooHOO!

My friend told me the exact same scene about Gimli and Legolas, Pollux! lol!! :D In fact, she basically said everything that you did. Except she added in a lot more of "Aragorn is so hot" and "It was so cool when Aragorn did -", hahaha :D

I'm going to see TTT today! YAY!!! I'm so excited! Plus, before watching it, I'll be going to City Hall to see the LoTR-themed ice sculpture competitions! WooHOO!

Your a good man...er woman BlueSoul... Sorry.

My favorite part, and this is with a SPOILER ALERT SO DO NOT READ PAST THIS POINT! Youve been warned. Anywho my favorite part was when the ents trashed Saurmans tower... Hehe, that was awesome. Marry and Pippin rule.

No problem, Coffee! :)

Oh yeah, don't worry about spoiling it for me. I've read the books, I've read condensed scripts (http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=14531), I've read spoiler news thingies, but that's not going to make the experience worse. In fact, it will be even more enjoyable, because I will know what to look for! :D

(psst...tis Merry) ;)

I'm going now! So excited!!! :D

Enjoy! Enjoy!

I'm amazed you haven't seen it yet.

I saw it last night!:D
I liked this one better than the first!!!!!!


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I saw it at the premiere here, and I thought it was great, even though I haven't read the books. But now I want to.

(Ok, I saw this yesterday instead of supposedly seeing it on Tuesday. The point is, I saw it! And...)

It was SUPER! :D The battle scenes were awesome, I don't think I've ever felt so compelled by the action before. It made me want to leap into the fray, grab a sword from the cold hands of a corpse, and whack some Orcs! lol

Merry, Pippin, and the Ents were ... not what I expected. I think they were severely downplayed, even for their monumental role in crippling Saruman's forces and grounds and whatnot. The Ent Moot was sad, and Treebeard looked nothing as I would have pictured him. It became rather short-lived after Treebeard grabbing Merry and Pippin, squeezing them and accusing them of being very small Orcs. Where was Treebeard offering them some of that water? Why didn't we see and know more of the Ents? The mysticsm of the ancient Ents was entirely absent.

I know people are going to get pissed, but I still feel female roles in LoTR don't fit quite well. Arwen? Galadriel? Leave them in the first book, that's where they belong! Now is the time for Eowyn, and even she was downplayed. I didn't see as much character development for her as I would have liked; my friend claimed that there was a lot of "lovey-dovey" between her and Aragorn, but I hardly felt it at all.

Gandalf...he appears, does some magic on Theoden, and scarpers off again. Augh! But cool nevertheless. :cool: He was supposed to be Gandalf Stormcrow, bringing bad news in his wake, which is why Theoden is hesistant to see him in the first place. But no, Gandalf just barges in, with Legolas, Gimli and Aragorn singlehandedly tossing aside the king's soldiers. I remember seeing Legolas, giving a backhanded swipe at one of the guys. Afterwards, Gandalf was supposed to be a wise counsellor, but there wasn't enough time for that. (Note: I totally recognized Theoden's throne, because I saw it and touched it at the exhibition! :D )

Grima Wormtongue was superb! He was satisfyingly slimy, repulsive, and eville enough. I didn't quite understand the scene with Eowyn and him, how she appeared to fall for him, then spat her words at him and left. That part wasn't clear enough, I wanted to see more hatred. :D

Gimli Gimli Gimli...*shakes head exasperatedly* :D All those puns and jokes made at the expense of poor Gimli. It was sad how he turned into the comic relief. But I still laughed, when Aragorn had to toss him over to the bridge, and all the scenes with Gimli lagging behind Aragorn and Legolas running, lol

Where's the Legolas-Gimli friendship??? It still feels like the Fellowship is just a mere group of acquaintances, not like a real brotherhood drawn together in a pact of loyalty like the actors were in real life. Even now when they are separated, the groups of 2's and three's are kind of distant with each other within. I don't know ... is it hard to show on the screen, that's why? Maybe we need more conversation, like in the books. I wouldn't mind sitting in the theatre for another hour if I can see more character and plot development. Because it's rather scanty now, imo.

The Ent uprising was sad to me. I expected fully embodied rage, hatred-spurred violence, and blind destruction from the Ents, because Saruman killed all those trees. All I saw was random squishings of Orcs, some branch waving, and even the music was not as brilliant as it was during Theoden's last ride into battle. I remember in the books, you weren't even allowed to burn wood unless it was dead, and even at the slightest mention of an axe the entire forest would turn against the intruder. Fangorn Forest is supposed to be dark and forboding, and the Ents were the keepers (I think). And Legolas ... he was supposed to be enraptured by the antediluvian trees. Did I see any of that? No; just some random words, a little fuzzy scene of him gazing at the trees, and that was it. How're they supposed to end the movies, if Legolas doesn't show more love for Fangorn? He's supposed to come back and visit it after the whole thing's over, for Pete's sake.

I think starting the second movie with Gandalf and the Balrog was pretty great. It completely absorbed my attention, and the falling just sucked you right into the atmosphere. But, if they were falling, how did they end up on top of a mountain? :bugeye: I thought the Gandalf-the-Grey-turning-into-Gandalf-the-White was very well planned, because people think wizards are just like people, when Gandalf was actually a Maia, one of the few of his race that are immortal (here's a little bg info on him: http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/default.htm?http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/g/gandalf.html).

Finally, we arrive at GOLLUM! :) He was first-rate! The CGI was state of the art, and he was just one step away from being a real creature and blending in perfectly with the environment. The expressions were so deep and real, he was better than most of the actors, I must admit. People found Gollum's internal argument with Smeagol to be funny, but I didn't. I thought it was well-done, not the least bit confusing or funny, and really made Gollum one of the star players because he came from being virtually unknown to developing this wonderfully complex personality. Bravo!

Scenery was perfectly stunning and awe-inspiring as always ...

Costumes! They simply don't get enough credit! Isn't it amazing how each Orc was originally designed, and the weaponry was handcrafted by smiths? So much sweat has gone into making Middle-Earth come to life, it really is staggering. Manifold kudos goes to the set designers, costume designers, cinematographers, landscaping artists .. all the people behind the scenes! :D

I didn't find the Ringwraiths as frightening and imposing as they had in the first movie. Were they even in TTT originally? I don't remember. But the dragons were rather overkill, and completely dwarfed the Nazgul's supposedly overpowering evil.

I thought Sam's anger at Gollum was ungrounded. It was as if he had PMS or something, heh.

The second movie suffers much the same ailment as the first: not enough time for everything! I, and other fans, are sure to be willing to sit through a four, even five hour performance of one of our favourite fantasy trilogies, as long as we get what we want. Am I right? :D

There were a bunch of inconsistencies, too, but I'm too tired to list them. Blah. :p

arghhhhhhhhhh.. i haven't seen it yet.. 2 more weeks till it comes here.. BLOODY HELL..eheheh... i've read the books.. the first one is quite boring, but the other 2 really got me... anywayz, i can't wait to see the movie... i hate y'all already-seen-lotr2-ppl...

Muahaha!! :D Man, it was SO GOOD Syco! :D

They probably cut a lot of the character development out for time constraits, like the first film. I've got the special dvd and so far I've watched all the extras through and through (over the course of two days!), I've listened to the entire commentary with Peter, Fran and Phillipa, I was sad that I didn't get to see any of Fran, because after having a look at her pic she appears to be fairly of the attractive sort. Based on her writing abilities, from all outward appearances it looks like Peter struck gold.

I've seen about 1/4 of the actors commentary, it isn't nearly as awesome as the directors. Listening to them talk about funny stories is awesome, I think they said that Pippin wet his pants when they shot off the fireworks in the beginning.

With Gimli and Legolas, I think at least a little bit of their friendship was shown in two parts, one, when Legolas was ready to kill Eomer after he threatened Gimli in the beginning (Eomer's helmet kicks ass, btw), and then when Gimli said to Aragorn "not a word to the elf" just before he threw him. Gimli was the best choice for comedic relief, since Merry and Pippin's roles are somewhat diminished.

I did want more from the ents. I felt that they did look extremely awesome, treebeard, to me, looked and sounded excellent, I loved it when he said "I've always enjoyed walking south, somehow it always seemed like moving downhill." I distinctly remember one shot, when Merry is lecturing the ents, they all look back at him, and each of them has this funky look, each is a different type of tree. I was enthralled, but there was a lot more to that side of the story, and even if I hadn't read the book I still would have felt it incomplete.

Gollum's monologue...words cannot express how much I loved every word that came out of that character's mouth.

"Aaah, aaah it burns!"

"Stupid, fat hobbit."

And that song he sings right before Faramir threatens to kill him, when he's in the pool...

I think Gandalf seemed too cool. Based on his performance in this picture (which may not have been Ian's fault, since he was beyond excellent in the last film) I'm glad I didn't see any more of him. I really like Gandalf the Grey a lot more than Gandalf the White.

The Balrog scene was awesome, in the deluxe dvd Peter talked about how he wanted to start each film off like a James Bond Movie, where there's action immediately in the beginning to draw the audience in and then an explanation of it later. The sound effect of his sword falling down the chasm was awesome, as was their battle. I think they actually fought their way back up to the top, but I'm really not sure.

The ringwraiths themselves were not frightening, the dragons, I felt, were awesome, even though for some reason I had always thought they were some kind of evil giant bird...oh well. The battle the king of the ringwraiths has with gandalf at the end of the third one should be cool.

Blue have you gotten the second soundtrack? If so, how is it? How is it? How is it?

And this website appears to be very awesome.

I finally saw the film, and it was ok, but i wasn't that impressed with it. I would rate it 3 stars (out of 5), just as the first one.

my problems with the film:
1. too long.
You start thinking "i hope it ends soon" near the end. I wasn't the only one. Many people were checking their mobile phones and moving around near the end.

2. Is there a plot?
The plot is not so obvious. Especially since this movie doesn't seem to have a beginning or an ending. Just a middle part. At least the first movie had a beginning. Yes, i am aware of the fact that it is a trilogy, but that doesn't mean you can skip the essence of a story (beginning and end). I can assure you that I didn't have the faintest clue what was going on in the beginning, since it was a year ago i saw the first one, and the story of that one was not impressive enough to be imprinted in my memory.

3. How easy it was to defeat the forces of Sauron and the guy whose name is remarkably similar, but i forgot.
You take some walking trees and a few cavalry men...and byebye evil army. Why didn't they do this in the first place?

4. Hobits look like humans. Especially when a hobit walks trough a landscape you can feel that the dimensions of the surroundings are wrong. The bushes are still at bush height for humans. Rocks are still human rock size. Therefore hobits look human size. Sometimes they meet tall people...then they apparently look small...but as soon as the tall people go away, the hobbits look human sized again.

5. the battle scenes...many problems with those but i will point out one. It is so easy to kill an orc (or whatever they were). Our heroes have no problems of disposing them. They just wave their swords around and the evil creatures drop like flies. I had a weird moment when the 'elven leader' died in battle. I could only think: " what a sissy, killed by orcs. anyone can kill orcs. His friends have killed hundreds of orcs each and they are not even sweating. What a total loser"


oh yeah...and the book is boring

actully thats about the only thing they DID get right

see the there are actully 6 books they are just cut down into 3 so people can actully hold them so the begining middle and end are the three movies

The director did a great job with scenery, symbolism, and costumes.... BUT the humor with the Dwarf was enough to make me sick. I dont know if i am going to see the third movie because I dont want him making a joke on Mt Doom. I might just wait till they all come out on DVD.