The Titanic is disintegrating. Fast. The combination of damage caused by rust and sea life, as well as an unapproved salvage operation and occasional adventure tours for very rich tourists are accelerating the decay of what is arguably the world's most famous underwater attraction, report ABC News and Reuters

Would you propose some way to save it? It can never really be saved...but it will obviously never be forgotten. All it is is material. The memory is what endures, and what is important.

Shut up darkeyedbeauty!

Uhm....make me?

We have pictures. And the ship was bound to decay. No one can scuba dive there...so they can't see it in person. A video feed is all we could really get. And why don't they just watch the countless hours of footage we already have. The emphasis should not be material.

i say build a replica.

Memories don't last forever either, DarkEyedBeauty; time is an implacable and lethal attrition. I will admit that it's fairly pleasing to cling to those memories, though.

Bring me the remains of Leonardo DiCaprio and I will believe it!

Originally posted by bonzi_monkey
i say build a replica.

You want to make another ship sink?

As I understand it, they cannot raise anything as its a "grave site", don't know the technicalities of that one.

Originally posted by Andre
DEB,

what Mucker here is attempting to state so very delicately, is the complication that artifacts are concrete proof. Tangible substantiation. Seeing the seats and the stairs and the washroom that may have been the last vison of thousands of dying people is much more special than a few sober lines in a history book or an unregcognisable monument somewhere.

Rubbish. It's a pile of rotting metal and wood at the bottom of the ocean. The memories of the families of those that died is important, and in anycase none of it matters to us really, does it?
It's at the bottom of the ocean, we can't get at it, and even if we could why? so we can stick some old crap in some museum somewhere?

Get over it.

Originally posted by Bachus
You want to make another ship sink?
armthat S.O.B to take out all the ice berg that stands in it's way.
hehehe

I think this introduction to the 'Eye of the World' best sums it up:

"The Wheel of Time turns and Ages come and go, leaving memories that become legend. Legend fades to myth, and even myth is long forgotten when the Age that gave it birth returns again. "

Originally posted by Wraith
Rubbish. It's a pile of rotting metal and wood at the bottom of the ocean. The memories of the families of those that died is important, and in anycase none of it matters to us really, does it?
It's at the bottom of the ocean, we can't get at it, and even if we could why? so we can stick some old crap in some museum somewhere?

Get over it.

Agreed.

i've only seen it in photographs and video. is it such a bad thing that future generations will also see it that way? not many people actually go and see the thing in person anyway.

Sad.....

I feel sorry that there has been no possible way to build a structure to be placed underwater and sustain very high pressure (Titanic's located very deep in Atlantic, right?). If only it were possble, scientists and co. should build a very powerful glass dome to stop 'unauthorized visitors' from coming to Titanic and destroyit slowly........ Oh, and this project should be done unknowningly to any environment maniac, because some ocean life might be removed from the site...
Okay, this way would be INEFFECTIVE against rust, so there has to be an anti-rust technology developed for it.

I think some people here underestimate the significance of <i>Titanic</i>. It is probably the single most famous shipwreck in history. If its remains were put in a museum, plenty of people would come to look. The story is a fascinating and tragic one. If you weren't around in 1912, you probably can't begin to imagine what a huge story the sinking of the Titanic was, or what an impact it had on confidence in modern technology.

I'm not advocating one action or another here. I'm just saying: don't underestimate the significance of this particular shipwreck.

So,.....whats your point Bonzai?
Its because of that fucking Titanic that my man Leanardo Decaprio
died.
I think they should salvage whats left of that boat and recycle it into something useful like bathroom urinals.:D

P.S.
I have found things more significant while flossing my teeth!

Originally posted by moementum7
[B]Its because of that fucking Titanic that my man Leanardo Decaprio
died.


Yeah well nobody said that only bad things happened with the titanic. ;)

Then you guys should make sure that Kate's still alive so that you can ask for her opinion bout all these.....

Bachus :
Yeap! :rolleyes:

moementum7 :
"I have found things more significant while flossing my teeth!" - a piece of mummy, a 8 years old piece of bread and a... something that you were not able to identify. It was high time to do it! But does it really smell better now?! :bugeye:

James R :
You're right, it's a significant part of our History. It shows how humans can be proud of their work... However, it's in a deep ocean and it will disappear soon or later, whatever we will do. Then, the scientists/historians should take as many things as they can before the (real) end of the Titanic.

Originally posted by James R
I think some people here underestimate the significance of <i>Titanic</i>. It is probably the single most famous shipwreck in history. If its remains were put in a museum, plenty of people would come to look. The story is a fascinating and tragic one. If you weren't around in 1912, you probably can't begin to imagine what a huge story the sinking of the Titanic was, or what an impact it had on confidence in modern technology.

I'm not advocating one action or another here. I'm just saying: don't underestimate the significance of this particular shipwreck.

James, 100s of people die in the ocean worldwide every year. Most are poor fisherman off the coast of some forgotten 3rd world country. No one cries over their loss (except for their families and loved ones). Are their lives not as important as those who dided on the Titanic? Why place such intrinsic value on the Titanic? We arbitrarily place such a value on the Titanic, by assuming that people would go and see some rotting remains of a large ship (which sank over 9 decades ago) in some museum. Why? I won't go because I'm told that this wreck is more important than any other wreck, or that the lives of the privilaged plutocrats on board are in any way more important than any other poor old schmuck fisherman that dies at sea.

Originally posted by moementum7
Its because of that Titanic that my man Leanardo Decaprio
died.

It wasn't real you know, it was only pretend, just like Snow White and her 7 Perverts, or Indiana Jones and the Temple of TechnoEffects :) ;)

Titanic will never be raised, the costs outweigh the benefits AND it would disintegrate into dust as soon as they touched it anyway.

well, citizens of the world tend to look up, right?

that bloody psuedo-historic-sentimental-narcisissic-banal piece of crap (Titanic) was one of the worst damn films I have ever had the misfortune of watching.:mad:

Bad Luck Wraith - you got to see it. I KNEW what it would be like and did not even bother......

I love LOTR but have to put up with that pathetic Frodo to watch it. Elijah Wood, or whoever he is, is pathetic. I digress..........

RD:

Thanks for remindng me! I haven't seen LOTR yet. Surely you can't compare LOTR (which to all intents an purposes seems like a class act) with that pile of dogpoo Shitanic.
Yeah, I can see how E. Wood could be irritating slightly...but nothing compared to that bloody Kate Winslet.:rolleyes:

PS: Looking forward to Crushing Newcastle on Saturday;)

Wraith: Saturday will not be like last season's result.

No, I don't compare LOTR to Titanic, far from it. But talking about the "nauseating" aspects of films.

I agree, last season the score was 6-3 (if I remember corectly), but I still think we'll have a comfortable victory.

6-2

Lets not annoy people by drifting off the thread eh? ;)

SG-N,Red Devil :D

talking about drifting. Terminator 3 was so much crap that you could ship it legally as organic fertilizer

haha! that's got its own thread...............

it certainly doesn't deserve a thread

Originally posted by Wraith
that bloody psuedo-historic-sentimental-narcisissic-banal piece of crap (Titanic) was one of the worst damn films I have ever had the misfortune of watching.:mad:

funny, i used to think that way. um still kind of do, but i understand why people loved it (in general--thats why it won awards) because of the historical significance.

You're right, it's all materialistic but if you think about it, without knowledge of historical facts or events, we wouldn't know about the first civilization of mesopotamia, greek civilization, blah blah ...you get it. and the fact that one schmuck vs those who died on the titanic is not any different is true though in tragedy everyone is entitled to know what happened even if it's your great greatx50 grand child.

you know thats a good idea, replicating a ship like titanic in a museum, maybe in a smaller scale. i would guess that they are doing that now or it does exist.

In Liverpool recently I visited the Maritime Museum, they have some fantasically detailed, very large models. Didn't notice Titanic but was not looking all that closely at the time.

for the record, Kate Winslet is a better actress than that E. Wood any day.

OOOHH! You done fucked up now Marigny!
E.Wood is da bomb!
Nuff said.
I forgive you for your misplaced values now move along.
shew shew.*gestures hands for marigny to move along with some compassion*

oh yeah??
you and what army?

I have a right to my opinion.
:bugeye: =:p

:D

Marigny:
knowledge of historical facts or events, we wouldn't know about the first civilization of mesopotamia, greek civilization, blah
yes, you have a point there, the Titanic however is beyond salvage. A replica would be a fairly good idea I suppose.

for the record, Kate Winslet is a better actress than that E. Wood any day.
God that girl gets on my nerves.

Moementum: stop being such an arsehole

:D

Wraith:

<i>James, 100s of people die in the ocean worldwide every year. Most are poor fisherman off the coast of some forgotten 3rd world country. No one cries over their loss (except for their families and loved ones). Are their lives not as important as those who dided on the Titanic?</i>

I certainly didn't say they aren't.

<i>Why place such intrinsic value on the Titanic?</i>

Because it is, among other things, an exemplary cautionary tale of human hubris.

<i>I won't go because I'm told that this wreck is more important than any other wreck, or that the lives of the privilaged plutocrats on board are in any way more important than any other poor old schmuck fisherman that dies at sea.</i>

Actually, most of the people who died on <i>Titanic</i> were Steerage Class passengers with very little money. The higher up in the ship your cabin was, the more chance you had of surviving, statistically.

Originally posted by James R

Actually, most of the people who died on <i>Titanic</i> were Steerage Class passengers with very little money. The higher up in the ship your cabin was, the more chance you had of surviving, statistically.

Interestingly (or not) statistics will always catch up with you in the end.

http://www.insanepictures.com/pic.shtml?0038.jpg

i wish i could go back in time and do really good in high school so i could get a scholarship and go somewhere to learn to become an astronaut, that way the chance of me dying in space would be dramatically multiplied.

Mmmm yes.... :bugeye: :confused: