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Discussion in 'Free Thoughts' started by Redoubtable, Jan 9, 2003.

  1. Seeing that I contrived this relatively profound notion without the guidance or intrusion of other persons, I am rather proud of myself. Please don't deride me or inform me of "God." Such belligerent, biased, impetuous, or overly pious replies will just cause me despair. I am enamored with the formal niceties of the polite anonymous and will appreciate even the statemenst of those who find my conceptions amorphopous, inscrutable, or crude (If they express their displeasure withough calling me a mindless motherfucker or a poor delluded sinner.).

    Well then, having addressed that, I will now proceed. Are you all familiar with the Law of the Conservation of Matter? If not, it is a scientific LAW which conveys the indestructible (changeable but resilient) nature of all tangible things in the cosmos. So, now that we are aware of this immutable principle, we may deduce that all matter will endure for eternity, regardless of pernicious or volatile conditions it finds its self in. Id est -> NO MATTER WILL EVER CEASE TO BE!

    Now we may make further evaluations in accordance with the aforementioned. Time, as it it (an abstract, impalpable idea of man) IS basically the existence of physical objects. As long as matter continues to occupy the void, "time" will continue. One could actually say time would not end even if all matter simply vanished. However, being rational, we ascertain that without matter, time would become obsolete, an absurdity made unnecessary by the disappearance of all things to which it applied. Thus, it WOULD, in fact, be no more.

    So colleagues, time willl never end! Why? Do you actually need to ask that? I will elaborate: As long as matter exists, time does. Matter will always exist, never spontaneously vanishing. Ergo, time will never end.
    THAt succinct little ephiphany is inexpressibly signifigant to our universe. It is a realization which proves that history truly does repeat itself. NOTE: I do not mean to say it does so in a philosohical, developmental, or politcal fashion. I mean to articulate this: HISTORY WILL OCCUR AGAIN, and AGAIN, and AGAIN!!!
    This is becuse of an cursory fact pertaining to eternity. You see, if you give a pssible event eternity to happen, it will happen infinite times? Please understand!!! If one regards event A, the creation of the Earth in the Milky Way, as possible due to its current existence (We know its possible becuse its happened before EARTH IS HERE, IT is obviously possible for it to be here - If not, it wouldn't be here.) it must happen infinite times in ETERNITY. So we will be here again. Earth will be here again.

    The period of time that will undoubtedly pass before we and our paltry little mud-sphere exist again will be immeasurable. This is evident and uncontrovertible (INDISPUTABLE). Most likely, no human mind could fathom the number of years that might conceivably pass during the "time between rebirths."

    Of course, human minds, being chemically based, are subject to the effects of this system. No person could ever have the ability to rcall his or her past lives. Of course, there wouldn't be much to remember anyway, seeing that every life would be an exact duplicate of the last (I am not sure about that . . . . :bugeye: ) . . .

    Well does anyone agree?
     
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  3. goofyfish Analog By Birth, Digital By Design Valued Senior Member

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    It seems to me that the only place time is likely to exist is within the realm of the human mind. If we were not here to put a watch on the universe, time would cease to exist. However, with your criteria:
    If the big bang model is correct and the universe has enough mass to be closed, then its expansion will eventually stop, reverse and billions of years later everything, including space-time, will collapse into a singularity. At that point space and time will cease to exist for this universe.

    :m: Peace.
     
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  5. But will the "Big Bang" not then repeat itself, sending matter back across the expansive regions of space?
     
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  7. chroot Crackpot killer Registered Senior Member

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    Surprisingly, you'll actually sound smarter if you put down the thesaurus.
    There is no "Law of Conservation of Matter" recognized by the standard model of modern physics. Sorry.
    This is conjecture. There are a variety of different philosophical systems which deal with time in equally subjective, yet equally valid ways.
    Oh, wow... you came up with the infinite monkey theorem all on your own, eh? I thought this was routinely taught to every middle-schooler during lectures on elementary probability -- between playing tetherball in gym class and learning about the human genitalia in health class.
    I would say your "succinct little ephinany" is experienced by everyone shortly after entering puberty.

    - Warren
     
  8. Well I apologize if I am wordy, but I didn't use a thesaurus.

    As for the scientific Law I must be think of the one involved in Chemistry . . . But still . . . nuclear reaction dont actaully destroy matter . . . well maybe they do . . . well I am not certain I suppose you could say they do . . .

    Hmmm In puberty? If so, although you are probably exaggerating, then I'm slightly behind. The infinite monkey theorem is only about probabilty. It doesn't concern life to the degree of my earlier statements.
     
  9. Pollux V Ra Bless America Registered Senior Member

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    I'd agree with you that as long as there is matter time will exist. I'm not sure that matter cannot be destroyed, I haven't taken a science class that goes into detail in such an account.

    However your theory, although imaginative, does not take into account the fact that the universe is constantly in motion. Every atom in existence is stretching at this very moment (I believe, I could be wrong...), eventually the universe will be a cold, dark place where distances are immeasurable between one subatomic particle and another. I'm not even sure that it'll collapse upon itself and start over, I don't think that anyone is.

    Given the time that galaxies have been in existence and the vast deal of ones that have existed and will exist, it is not altogether inconcievable that a species identical to the human race has or will develop. But as for the same people and historical events existing, the odds of that occuring are undoubtedly so numerous that the zeroes, if font sized twelve, would stretch from one end of the globe to the other.

    But welcome to sciforums! Enjoy yourself, and tone down the vocabulary that you use! It'll get your points across if you use words people can relate to rather than ones that put you above the knowledge that they have acquired.
     
  10. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    hate to burst your bubble but matter can be turned into pure energy there by no longer BEING matter
     
  11. Tallguy That's the way it is... Registered Senior Member

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    Doesn't time stop at 0 degrees Kelvin? If I understand temperature correctly, it depends on how violently the atoms are vibrating (maybe there's a different term for this?) If this is correct, wouldn't this mean that without matter(to vibrate), there is no time?
     
  12. Tallguy That's the way it is... Registered Senior Member

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    Redoubtable, this is for you.
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    (Here, take it. It's a thesaurus)



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