I have been always impressed by the number of worthless college degrees. Reciepients of them cannot easily get jobs, and some I really have to think are a complete waste of time. For example, what is the value of an education degree? Why cann't others with degrees in English or Business teach without having a degree in education. Archeology is another worthless degree, in my opinion.
When I was in college, it was a belief that those who were academically challenged found their way into education degrees. Is this so?

A degree in latin, art, or music.

I have been always impressed by the number of worthless college degrees. Reciepients of them cannot easily get jobs, and some I really have to think are a complete waste of time. For example, what is the value of an education degree? Why cann't others with degrees in English or Business teach without having a degree in education. Archeology is another worthless degree, in my opinion.
When I was in college, it was a belief that those who were academically challenged found their way into education degrees. Is this so?

I have always been impressed by the general attitude of the public, that unless your degree ties you to the millstone ,for "money", it is worthless.

Slaves, your all a bunch of fucking slaves.

I have a degree in Art, and I make about 60K/year.

theology

A degree in latin, art, or music.

With music at least you can play in a band...

Philosophy. I have a friend who is 45+ and still hasn't paid his student loan back....

political science

and english

Any degree is worth something in the working world, it almost doesn't matter what kind of degree it is, or how good your grades are.

Any degree is worth something in the working world, it almost doesn't matter what kind of degree it is, or how good your grades are.

yeah it does. Its just some degrees actually make people worth in the real world like engineers and scientists who actually do help the engineers...and those who's only path is to go teach others this dead-end philosophy of theirs. This life is to make results and a positive impact on this life and engineering as well as science is all about that.

A degree in latin, art, or music.

A degree in music theory is definitely not useless for someone interested in pursuing that field.

Teaching is also about that. My college was known as being good for training teachers. It's just a shame teachers don't make much money.

Teaching is also about that. My college was known as being good for training teachers. It's just a shame teachers don't make much money.

thats because teaching is not actually productive...someone can make a religion up and teach it to anyone and its all be good to go. Teaching needs to be embedded with a degree of something else...like science and engineering. So that we can let the kids learn the concepts while getting hands on exercise from the experienced folks.

A degree in music theory is definitely not useless for someone interested in pursuing that field.


well in that case, there isn't a single degree on the planet that is useless if you actually get a job.

Music theory? Seriously? :bugeye:

I have a degree in Art, and I make about 60K/year.
I have NO degree, just a few IT certifications, and I make almost 45K a year.
If I lived somewhere with a higher standard/cost of living other than the South, I'd probably be making over 50...with no degree.

I have NO degree, just a few IT certifications, and I make almost 45K a year.
If I lived somewhere with a higher standard/cost of living other than the South, I'd probably be making over 50...with no degree.

go and live in the North.

well in that case, there isn't a single degree on the planet that is useless if you actually get a job.

Music theory? Seriously? :bugeye:

Seriously! It's what I'm studying towards. :)

And no, the difference is that there are some jobs you can get without needing a specialized degree. Music theorist somewhere noteworthy isn't one of them.

A degree in latin, art, or music.

How are those worthless ?

I don't think there is any classical degree that is useless, but with some it's harder to get a job, like philosophy and history.

I think Art is one of the coolest and most enjoyable degrees to have!

I wish I had taken Latin.. it's awesome :D

There is a separate degree in Latin? I didn't know that because we don't have such in Latvia.
We have Latin studies at the Latvian University, but it's a course within Classical philology, also within Theology and some time ago also in Law.

There is a separate degree in Latin? I didn't know that because we don't have such in Latvia.
We have Latin studies at the Latvian University, but it's a course within Classical philology, also within Theology and some time ago also in Law.

No, I meant in highschool. I don't know whether there is a separate degree in it..

I think Art is one of the coolest and most enjoyable degrees to have!

what jobs do you apply for if you have a degree in art?

what jobs do you apply for if you have a degree in art?

Artist of course.. :p

One day while walking to class on campus I happened to notice a pile of junk on the lawn. I thought that was quite unusual. Normally the campus was always well maintained. Later I noticed another pile of junk on the lawn. I was starting to think things were getting way to lax with campus administration. But I was wondering who would dump trash on the lawn. Come to find out, it belonged to the Art Department. It was a work of art and stupid me, thought it was trash!

Artist of course.. :p


you don't need a degree in art to be an artist. Just like you don't need a degree in music to be a musician.

So wouldn't the talent speak for itself? Why spend all the money on getting a degree?

Hey, I can be an artist too. I generate a couple of bags a trash a week!

you don't need a degree in art to be an artist. Just like you don't need a degree in music to be a musician.

So wouldn't the talent speak for itself? Why spend all the money on getting a degree?

Talent can be refined and enhanced in the process of getting a degree.

what jobs do you apply for if you have a degree in art?

Art historian, art teacher, researcher, evaluating artwork, finding talent, working at an art gallery, museum, being an artist for private companies, local gov., etc.
There are a plethora of things you can do!

But there are not a plethora of jobs.

you don't need a degree in art to be an artist. Just like you don't need a degree in music to be a musician.

So wouldn't the talent speak for itself? Why spend all the money on getting a degree?

I personally know a few artists. Talent usually is undirected and lacks skill without professional studies in art. Have been told that by artists themselves.

You can be a lot better artist if you have studied art, just as you can be a lot better musician, if you have studied music.

I personally know many bands members and you can always hear it if the person has had an education in music, usually it sounds so much better!

But there are not a plethora of jobs.

There are! And don't forger to count in all those who are self employed, who make jobs for themselves.

I don't think art is a high priority here in America. I bet more money is spent of sports than art. Its a shame.

I would agree with you on a music degree. Music takes a lot of work to be successful. I have always been impressed with the music of Kansas, they seemed to have blended rock and roll with elements of classical music.

political science If it's just money, a political science degree from Georgetown Universtiy had one of the highest average first year starting salaries for its graduates of any degree from anywhere, for several years. May still.

If money is the only ticker, any serious trade school can show you higher payoffs from one or two year ceritficates than almost any four year or more college degree. The income stream starts before the schooling is over, usually. My wife made 50k her first year out from a two year machinist program, while still an apprentice, with her schooling already paid for by night work obtained with the skills as acquired - contrast that with a 50k debt in the third year of an engineering degree from a good school, and a trade school breaks down to be 200k + advantage on day one. Hard to catch that.

Plumbing pays even better. Hydraulics.

An education degree is probably worthless in what it signifies. But a lack of schooling in education is a serious handicap for someone who wants to teach professionally - the world is full of technologically capable people who can't teach and don't know that. That's why you have to go to school to be an engineer - on the job you'd be taught by engineers, and experience has shown that to be not so productive.

Don't mistake low standards of performance for an easy job.

I think there are some teachers who cannot teach too. I am just not convinced that a general education would not have served them better.

If it's just money, a political science degree from Georgetown Universtiy had one of the highest average first year starting salaries for its graduates of any degree from anywhere, for several years. May still.

If money is the only ticker, any serious trade school can show you higher payoffs from one or two year ceritficates than almost any four year or more college degree. The income stream starts before the schooling is over, usually. My wife made 50k her first year out from a two year machinist program, while still an apprentice, with her schooling already paid for by night work obtained with the skills as acquired - contrast that with a 50k debt in the third year of an engineering degree from a good school, and a trade school breaks down to be 200k + advantage on day one. Hard to catch that.

Plumbing pays even better. Hydraulics.

An education degree is probably worthless in what it signifies. But a lack of schooling in education is a serious handicap for someone who wants to teach professionally - the world is full of technologically capable people who can't teach and don't know that. That's why you have to go to school to be an engineer - on the job you'd be taught by engineers, and experience has shown that to be not so productive.

Don't mistake low standards of performance for an easy job.

around here the best jobs are plumber, mechanic, electrician, and brick layer. And it amazes me how many girls I now see at the auto garage. With more electronics in cars, its not the same job anymore. Oh and nursing, there's a job i wish I had gotten into.

Every consumer product in America has some work done by an artist or designer. I concentrated in Graphic Design/Photography, but I'm doing industrial design. There are plenty of jobs out there for artists.

My major is Japanese/english.

go and live in the North.
No thanks. I'll pass. The winters in the North suck ass (I HATE cold weather), and housing is too expensive. If you can deal with the higher than average ratio of rednecks and white trash around here, the South is an awesome place to live.

It doesn't matter how many degrees you have on paper, if you lack all common sense.

It doesn't matter how many degrees you have on paper, if you lack all common sense.

Now thats just ot true :D

It doesn't matter how many degrees you have on paper, if you lack all common sense.

No one lacks all common sense, because there is no such thing as "common" sense.

Now thats just ot true :D

I have come across ppl with various lists of degrees. Then you talk to them about some basic things and they don't have a clue. It's like they filled up there brain with so much knowledge there is no room left for basic common sense.

My degree would be absolutely and utterly useless in the USA. :D

My degree would be absolutely and utterly useless in the USA. :D

aren't you a lawyer?

I have come across ppl with various lists of degrees. Then you talk to them about some basic things and they don't have a clue. It's like they filled up there brain with so much knowledge there is no room left for basic common sense.

Common sense doesnt help you make as much money as a bunch of degrees, and in our current society money is all that seems to matter. :(

Common sense doesnt help you make as much money as a bunch of degrees, and in our current society money is all that seems to matter. :(

It has always made me make lots of money :D

aren't you a lawyer?

True, true. But Continental European. USA legal system is completely different. And moronic, and irrational.

It doesn't matter how many degrees you have on paper, if you lack all common sense.

I wish that was true. I'd rather work with an engineer who worked his way up than one fresh out of college with all the book learning he could afford.
Unfortunately experience doesn't count for much anymore, they want a piece of paper. :(

True, true. But Continental European. USA legal system is completely different. And moronic, and irrational.

moronic and irrational? :rolleyes:

they don't give 200K for nothing

I know employers like to see a resume filled with degrees and certificates. Unfortunately there are ppl out there with many yrs of experience that could dance circles around these ppl.

maybe corrupt is a better word

corrupt? No, its a different generation of HR managers and business owners. They went to college. Their parents worked for the American Dream, gave it to them, and they expect the people who work for them to be like them, not like Mom and Dad.

how can you possibly say that a music degree is useles some of the richest people in the world have music degrees take andrew-loyd webber hes worth well over 800 million

..and some of the richest musicians never learnt music... :)

To me any degree is worthless that can be studied on your own. What holds you back from studying philosophy? You don't even have to go to the library anymore. Same with most 'dry" classes, where a teacher is not needed. They are not necessery worthless, but paying for them to get a degree is silly, if you just want to have the knowledge and don't want to teach or be employed as an expert.

True, true. But Continental European. USA legal system is completely different. And moronic, and irrational.

Amen to that. It is funny if not pathetic, our laws clearly say one thing. But in practice they often are the exact opposite.

A degree in Para*skyve*cology... sorry I mean Parapsychology has to be the most idiotic degree ever. Then again I tend to see the world as it is rather than float around dreaming about ghosts, gremlins, Ghouls, demons, witches, the boogeyman, the lochness monster, Yeti, bigfoot, aliens, corncircles etc.

No, I meant in highschool. I don't know whether there is a separate degree in it..

No you don't it sucked. Out of all my classmates that took it only two developed any interest in pursuing it after we graduated. It weird because its a language that is read only. So few speak it I think some of the value of the language has been lossed. It is very helpful if you don't understand any romantic languages because you can read those languages to a certain extent without knowing anything about the language. That's kind of cool.

I personally think that education seems to be more about paperwork and files than actual knowledge. It's overrated.

What I mean is, there's too much silly policy and procedure and not enough true learning. So what if there is one guy that is a genius at, say, technology but never bothered going to college? Should he not get a job?

I have to agree, a degree in education is pretty pointless. It just serves to limit the supply of potential teachers. I just do not see the value in a teaching degree. Home teachers, often non degreed people, have shown themselves to be equally effective and in many cases more effective than professional teachers.

A degree in Para*skyve*cology... sorry I mean Parapsychology has to be the most idiotic degree ever. Then again I tend to see the world as it is rather than float around dreaming about ghosts, gremlins, Ghouls, demons, witches, the boogeyman, the lochness monster, Yeti, bigfoot, aliens, corncircles etc.

Who offers degrees in parapsychology?

I have to agree, a degree in education is pretty pointless. It just serves to limit the supply of potential teachers. I just do not see the value in a teaching degree. Home teachers, often non degreed people, have shown themselves to be equally effective and in many cases more effective than professional teachers.

Professional teachers? Don't make me laugh. There is no teaching, it's nothing more than constant repitition and tedium (if that's a word).


Anyone can be a teacher. Anyone skilled in a certain field can be a teacher.

um without an education degree you cant legally BE a teacher. this is partly because a componant of the course has to do with manditory reporting which is the law for anyone working in the health, education, and legal sectors as well as in the public service, the churches and politics.

Arts on the other hand is a toilet paper degree:p as is philiosphy:p

I personally think that education seems to be more about paperwork and files than actual knowledge. It's overrated.

What I mean is, there's too much silly policy and procedure and not enough true learning. So what if there is one guy that is a genius at, say, technology but never bothered going to college? Should he not get a job?

I completely agree with you. College education and most of high school too is completely over rated. It seems like its just stalling. College teaches you nothing about real on the job experience. Knowledge is great, but it really doesn't compare to experience.

im sorry but besides the resurch (which is DEFINITLY lacking in the emergency medical sector) what exactly makes you think that you who dont have a degree would be as good a paramedic as me (when i finish mine)

Then there is the fact that they need ALOT more resurch so they are desprate for people to do masters degrees and PHD's in the EM field

im sorry but besides the resurch (which is DEFINITLY lacking in the emergency medical sector) what exactly makes you think that you who dont have a degree would be as good a paramedic as me (when i finish mine)

Then there is the fact that they need ALOT more resurch so they are desprate for people to do masters degrees and PHD's in the EM field

Like I said knowledge is great, but it can't compare to experience. I plan on becoming a surgeon, but anyone who has actually operated before degree or not is a better surgeon than I, because book smarts can only take you so far.

im sorry but i would DEFINITLY perfer a surgon who has studied A&P BEFORE cutting me open rather than just "winging it"

I am not saying teaching is bad. Certianly people need to be taught. But a professional degree in teaching is not necessary. One must have some knowledge of the subject matter and be able to communicate. Legal constraints aside, one does not need a teaching degree to teach...just knoweldge of the subject and the ability to effectively communicate.

Russian literature.

I am not saying teaching is bad. Certianly people need to be taught. But a professional degree in teaching is not necessary. A degree in teaching is probably overdoing it, but there is definitely a skill set that can be acquired, and acquired faster through formal study.

I have worked beside professional high school math teachers, and graduate students in math, handling TA work in first year college calculus - the pros were better at it, despite being inferior mathematicians in general.

One of the grad students was better than all the others. I shared a class with him, and discovered that he had pressured the department to allow him to take a graduate level class in teaching methods for mathematics - it showed. A lot of the fancy stuff is silly (the fads in US mathematical pedagogy have been not jsut silly but criminal, IMHO ) but the insights into different types of learning and different approaches for different students are real, and may be available in no other way.

It's one thing to teach a compatible student or two at home. It's quite another to face five classes of thirty teenagers each five days a week, with a core curriculum to get through and records to keep, if you care about their success.

Who offers degrees in parapsychology?

Hopefully not many places now. I once found it listed while looking through a local universities PhD supplement, It make be laugh. I mean the only thing that can come from it is perhaps a PhD in just the History and Mythology, perhaps even a Psychological explanation in regards to how that factors in to peoples "delusions" as their minds attempt to make sense of obscure data.

There are however a few ex-university students out there with this degree that regularly try to capture ghosts on camera or test the background radiation of crop circle formations with Geiger counter's. It's not that they prove parapsychology exists and technically they don't want to disprove it either because their qualification would be worth less than toilet paper.

This isn't my local, however it has a Parapsychology Unit:
http://www.koestler-parapsychology.psy.ed.ac.uk/
(I wonder if they remotely viewed I was going to post on this subject and their URL beforehand?)

Hopefully not many places now. I once found it listed while looking through a local universities PhD supplement, It make be laugh. I mean the only thing that can come from it is perhaps a PhD in just the History and Mythology, perhaps even a Psychological explanation in regards to how that factors in to peoples "delusions" as their minds attempt to make sense of obscure data.

There are however a few ex-university students out there with this degree that regularly try to capture ghosts on camera or test the background radiation of crop circle formations with Geiger counter's. It's not that they prove parapsychology exists and technically they don't want to disprove it either because their qualification would be worth less than toilet paper.

This isn't my local, however it has a Parapsychology Unit:
http://www.koestler-parapsychology.psy.ed.ac.uk/
(I wonder if they remotely viewed I was going to post on this subject and their URL beforehand?)

I think there are a few universities in Europe and one in the US that offers a few classes.

Like I said knowledge is great, but it can't compare to experience. I plan on becoming a surgeon, but anyone who has actually operated before degree or not is a better surgeon than I, because book smarts can only take you so far.

Wait a tick... you can get a degree without practical training?

no you cant, thats a myth.

My sister is just about to finish her physio degree and her whole third year was practical (under another physio), mum has an education degree and her whole fourth year was in the class room as a student teacher. Almost every unit i do in my paramedics degree (at least the paramedics topics) have a practical assesment (CPR, giving drugs, ventaliation, facture management, defribalation ect), then when we finish we STILL have to do a 2 year internship before we are qualifided

im sorry but besides the resurch (which is DEFINITLY lacking in the emergency medical sector) what exactly makes you think that you who dont have a degree would be as good a paramedic as me
excuse me but don't get on your high horse you can't even spell research so what if you have a college degree in the grand scheme of things everyone is equal no matter whether they have a degree or not