Libertarians who vote Democrat

Discussion in 'Politics' started by S.A.M., Aug 14, 2007.

  1. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Are there any?

    Seems like all the libertarians are just republicans without the fundamentalist Christianity.
     
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  3. Ganymede Valued Senior Member

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    Actually, Libertarians are Democrats who're against abortion and Welfare. Everything else is pretty much identical.
     
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  5. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Why are they against abortion and welfare?
     
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  7. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    They have the fundie Christianity as well, half the time - see Ron Paul.

    It's usually a way to vote Republican for the standard reasons, while maintaining plausible deniability for the consequences of electing the modern Republican to office.

    As far as actual libertarian principles, the Dems have at least as great a claim on libertarian allegience - which isn't maybe all that much, but the proportion should be closer to 50/50 - or 0/0, whichever.
     
  8. Neildo Gone Registered Senior Member

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    Libertarians are like Constitutionalists in that they want freedom for all and a small government. You know, kinda like how things are supposed to be, but aren't.

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  9. Portocall Registered Member

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    The abortion point is wrong, but the welfare part should be fairly straightforward. To live with free will and its consequences is the antithesis of expecting a group of other individuals to care for your daily needs.
     
  10. Mr. G reality.sys Valued Senior Member

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    More modern day tribalism.

    Multicultural anti-culturalism.

    I'm an Independent so I don't have to subscribe to patent nonsense.

    You folks look funnier than you seem able to imagine.

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    It's that comedy/tragedy thingy.
     
  11. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Independent: a man who stands for nothing but will fall for anything.

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  12. Portocall Registered Member

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    Uncounted haiku? Or was that responsive on another plane of consciousness?

    Apologies, but I don't track your point(s).
     
  13. Mr. G reality.sys Valued Senior Member

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    Independent: A man who doesn't need friends to hold you down so he can make his point.
     
  14. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Cut and run?
     
  15. Mr. G reality.sys Valued Senior Member

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    Rest at peace.
     
  16. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    So who do independents vote for? Other independents?
     
  17. Neildo Gone Registered Senior Member

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    Nobody, cause we see how stupid all the candidates are.

    Have fun choosing between the "lesser of two evils".

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  18. Mr. G reality.sys Valued Senior Member

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    Mostly, we only are able to choose between the two flavors of bovine nose rings.

    It's too much like living at home and f'king mommie, because she'll spank you senseless if you don't, than we care to imagine.

    You folks are what you are.

    We Independents don't need to be you.
     
  19. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    I'm a Libertarian and a libertarian. They're not the same thing. Small L libertarians believe in limited government, in the right of individuals to do anything they want so long as it causes no direct harm to others. We find the U.S. Constitution to be a fairly reasonable law of the land, but we think the government has been using it for toilet paper since FDR took office. We think the three branches of Congress should actually provide the checks and balances that they were designed to provide, rather than falling all over themselves to back each other up in their stoopidest moments. We believe in freedom of religion although many of us are atheists. We believe the government has no right to tell citizens what they can put in their bodies even though most of us have no respect for drunks and addicts. We believe in equal rights for women, gays and minorities even though most of us are straight white males, but with emphasis on the word "equal," so we have no respect for affirmative discrimination. We believe that the U.S. should respect the sovereignty of other nations but also leave them to find solutions to their own problems.

    As a movement we don't have a position on immigration, abortion, the response to terrorism, and many other important issues because they don't conveniently yield to an analysis based on individual liberty.

    Capital L Libertarians are members of a political party, one that every sensible person knows is a footnote. We find that both Conferences of the Republocrat League sold out to the authoritarians long ago and there is little substantive difference between them. They both adopted every plank of the 1929 Communist Party platform; Eisenhower completed the adoption by founding the Department of Health, Education and Welfare. Every party must have a platform that covers all the important issues so we have to bang out something on Iraq, abortion and immigration, and it distracts us from our true philosophy. We're starting to look at the Sierra Club and noticing how much more successful it has been at pursuing its agenda than the Green Party, and wondering whether we should shut down the party and form a Libertarian Club. At least we wouldn't need positions on Iraq, abortion and immigration.

    Most Libertarians are former Republicans because that party once stood for smaller government and strict construction of the Constitution. They also tend to be businessmen who appreciate the party's opposition to income taxes and most government regulations. They're in it for the politics. But many small-L libertarians are former Democrats and some of us were even once registered Peace & Freedom. We're in it for the philosophy, the opposition to the draft, prohibition, and morality laws.

    When we go into the voting booth we have a quandary. Libertarian candidates are never elected to national office. Yet neither did Communist Party candidates, but their strong support scared the Republocrats into adopting their platform. Waste a vote in the short run but cause change 25 years from now? Sometimes there's so little difference between the main party candidates (from our perspective) that that's a reasonable thing to do. Other times we try to engineer a President and Congress from opposite parties, to prevent them from doing very much and save the country from being screwed up any further. And other times one stands out as the lesser of two evils and we vote for that one.
     
  20. Portocall Registered Member

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    Well put FR.
     

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