Lately on Channel One News, this news show we hafta watch at school, they've been talking about the First Amendment. Today they talked about a school and their "Conservative Club". It ties into the First Amendment, but I forget right now exactly how. My point . . . I had an idea of forming a Liberal Club. What I'd like to know is what exactly we could do with a Liberal Club. I have some ideas, but I don't know if they're very good or original. So . . . What do ya think? What could I do with a Liberal Club? -- Peace, Love, Health, and Happiness to all! Athelwulf.
you could bring to people's attention the differences between liberals and conservatives, giving political and sociological examples.
Wow, what a coincidence! This sounds like a kool idea. Care to explain further? :bugeye: Slayer . . . It's a school club. In a school? Oh, now it's a plan? Typical. Flawed. Logic. You seem to be forgetting an important detail about this Liberal Club: It's a school club. Now . . . my next "plan", or our next "plan"? More. Flawed. Logic. America has no culture of its own. America is a melting pot of all sorts of cultures around the world. Remember that. Man, ya just can't stand the fact that us crackers aren't the superior race. You made me ashamed to be Caucasian for a minute. I'm sorry, I don't know what ye'r talking about. And again, this is a school club. This . . . is . . . a . . . school . . . club! How would that appeal to high-school students? Ah, now it's our "ploy". You are oh so typical. . . . Hey, now that I think about it . . . Are you Coolguy2342, the one that sent me those chain E-mails? If you are, ya failed to cite me as the one who referred ya to SciForums like I told ya.
How is it flawed. Let's see your logical reasoning. Make sure to say which law of logic you are using at any given time. If you use modus ponens to get from one step to another, state it. Let's see how good you actually are at logic, since you are so quick to criticize mine. If you were a true liberal, you wouldn't say "melting pot." It is now considered politically incorrect to say "melting pot." People don't simply melt together, they each have their own background. The proper term is "tossed salad." It's true. Look it up. You could meet after school. You failed to recognize my sarcasm. Talk about flawed logic. It appeals to all liberals (a.k.a "hippies"). No, I am not this "coolguy." But if he has any better reasoning than you, than I think I would like this guy.
I'm sorry . . . Was that a question? I had already given it to you. How can there be such a thing as a "true liberal"? I prefer to not use "tossed salad" because of its connotations. We are high-school students. You failed to recognize my making fun of yer use of sarcasm. More. Flawed. Logic. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Here's some flawed logic right here. You associate the terms "hippy" and "liberal" as if they are the same thing, when they are not. Also, you are arguing with yer own idea of what a liberal is instead of with me, thus making it easier for you to attack an opinion I may have. If I'm correct, that's called straw man. So . . . all hippies are liberals, and all liberals are hippies, ya say. I'll have you know I'm a redneck. So ha! I ask you again, how would going and hugging a tree be an appealing activity? He doesn't. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Where? You haven't said anything in this thread besides asking the original question, and attacking my logic. Which specific statement did you say any form of logic in? Tell me. SO WHAT??? When I was in high shcool, I met with my friends. Why can't you? Because you don't have any? Because eneryone has the sense not to join a liberal club? I did not. I simply chose to ignore it. At least I can admit it. I don't brush it off as a "failed attempt at logic," as you do. Pretty much. It's a generalization. You have to accept the fact that there might be one exception. It is to a hippy/liberal/environmentalist.
Th3darkt0w3r, Man, you seem to not have developed reading skills. Well, since ya missed it, here it is in italics: America has no culture of its own. America is a melting pot of all sorts of cultures around the world. Remember that. On second thought, if any culture could be considered "American", it would be the many many many Native American cultures. In which case, the white man is close to succeeding in destroying the American cultural identity. We palefaces are the culprits! It doesn't seem right that Caucasians could just come over to the New World, kill off or shoo away the people that were here first, and then later decide they don't want any more people coming here. Hypocricy is what it is. So do I. I do. I do have any. I haven't even officially launched Project Liberal Club yet. And don't use absolutes, lest yer logic be flawed. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Ya really like playing this game, don't ya? But ya can't just make generalizations like that. Ya can't do that in math, and ya can't do that in life. Whatever.
th3darkt0w3r - Yeah, they can sit around talking about abortions. Person A: "So, are you planning on getting an abortion anytime soon?" Person B: "Well, I'd love to... but I'm afraid I'm busy all this week." As a liberal, that's a conversation I hear all the time amongst my friends. (sarcasm, in case you didn't catch that.) Athelwulf - I think a liberal club sounds like a good idea, but I don't really have any ideas... it depends on what sort of liberal you are, really. If I were heading up something like that, I'd do sort of some general stuff in support of third-party candidates (not necessarily specific candidates, just support of the general idea) and maybe the club could put together a resources list for information and ways to help with various issues and then post it places or hand it out or something. But I don't know... those are just my ideas, and I'm not even sure what all is okay to do as a school club (I'm homeschooled and have been all my life.)
I think I agree with th3darkt0w3r on this issue. I don't think he is talking about friends talking about their own abortions, but instead how to make it legal, or even preferred to get one. I'm pretty sure it was societal plans, not personal ones. Athelwulf, you are being rather silly, and, frankly, rather child-like in your arguments. You automatically attack the argument based on no real observations. You skirt the issue at han, only to argue about the fact that the logic is flawed (without giving any explanation, even when asked). I am getting the feeling you don't really feel that way, and you just felt threatened because finally there is someone with better arguing skills than yourself. You feel threatened. Then you try to blame t0w3r of "playing these games," when you truly are the one participating in the games. Here's what really makes me laugh. Th3darkt0w3r said that you could meet after school. Then you said that you can't, because you are a high school student. How is that a logical argument? Why the hell can't a high school club meet after school? And then you try to defend yourself by saying you do have friends, and you could meet after school. Lousy attempt to defend your honor! Athelwulf, I have never known you to be a very good arguer, but this has to be your worst yet.
I am this person. And take it from me that I most certainly do have better reasoning skills (not to mention math skills, musical skills, general knowledge skills, writing skills, reading skills, et cetera) than Athelwulf. You know what? I think I like you, too!
Rubiks, Fine, you go ahead and think that. Sure. But I had given an explaination right after I said the logic was flawed and long before I was asked to give them. And on top of that, I restated my explaination and explained further right after being asked. It's not my fault if you or th3darkt0w3r missed all of that. And I'm getting the feeling that you believe that any argument for any opinion you share is sound, while an argument for any other opinion is flawed. More obliged to argue with flawed logic than threatened. He started, I reciprocated. We were even. He could've left it at that, but he didn't. I seem to have a knack for making you laugh. Yes, th3darkt0w3r said we could meet afterschool, but he said that in response to my response to his suggestion that we could smoke weed. If he's being ridiculously sarcastic, I feel I have the right to be ridiculously sarcastic right back. As for my defending myself, it was in response to an ad hominem. Read it for yerself. He was insinuating that I had no friends. Ad hominem. And even if you think it was a lousy attempt, at least I have the right to defend my honor. You go ahead and think that.
Now, let's see. You say finally there's someone with better arguing skills than him. That would imply it doesn't happen often - in fact, it implies it's never happened before. Then you say that you've never known him to be a good arguer; if that were true, then there would be people with better arguing skills than him all the time. You contradicted yourself pretty majorly, dude.
Rubiks, Actually, these would be simple guesses. Dictionary.com defines "theory" as "a set of statements or principles devised to explain a group of facts or phenomena, especially one that has been repeatedly tested or is widely accepted and can be used to make predictions about natural phenomena." These cannot be theories, only guesses. That, or it's yer nasty sarcasm again. And you conservatives are worried about us libs destroying that?! Or kuz I see no culture that can be labeled as "American". It is logical, but it's not the only drawable conclusion, and it's not why I think there is no American culture. Oh, je suis désolé. J'ai oublié. Tu ne parles pas Internet. Oh, es tut mir Leid. Ich habe vergessen. Du kannst Internet nicht. "RMFAO" bedeutet "Rolling my fucking ass off". Das war eigentlich ein Typo. Das söllte sein "LMFAO". Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
When I first saw this thread; I thought to myself; Hmm a liberal club, do they even know the meaning of liberal with all the years of distortion?. The new-meaning of liberal seems to be somewhat like a free thinker, non-conservative social statist type of person in support of welfare social programs to help the poor, and basically to support the people. But the true meaning today of liberalism-basically is just socialist!. However some of us old enough do remember the true meaning of liberalism; http://www2.sunysuffolk.edu/pecorip... Philosophy/Liberalism_and_Conservativism.htm But that's not the case for many decades under both parties. Today both US' political party go for getting elected or re-elected, having the larger turn-outs of votes, so they promise ever more and more social programs, not one iota of thought, is given that these social programs are the reasons they are strangling the middle class, and scaring buissiness out of this country to produce their products in a less restrictive enviorement towards them. The welfare state, does not work. And it has become a draine in our resources, No I din't support the pundit in office! But I'm still a conservative, with liberal ideals. So Bush does make some good moves, along with some horrible ones, no one likes a bully!. And even the Pope thinks he's an idiot; Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Godless.
I agree... I don't know how democrats took the title of liberal... but republicans need to stop labeling them with it. It's an insult to the english language. another interesting thing is the color change in the parties... the reps always used to be the Blue party... all the way back to the old union uniforms... Being of the party of lincoln, I want my damn color back... you guys can be green or something.
Lately on Channel One News, this news show we hafta watch at school, they've been talking about the First Amendment. Today they talked about a school and their "Conservative Club". It ties into the First Amendment, but I forget right now exactly how. My point . . . I had an idea of forming a Liberal Club. What I'd like to know is what exactly we could do with a Liberal Club. I have some ideas, but I don't know if they're very good or original. So . . . What do ya think? What could I do with a Liberal Club? -- Peace, Love, Health, and Happiness to all! Athelwulf.
