Someone has to cut my lawn! :D

Senators rethinking! (http://www.redtractor-usa.com/Imigration_Issue.htm)

Not only fuel cost drives the price of veggies up, but if a farmer can't get "cheap labor" the price of a tomato may just go up to be $1.50 each! :(

Few actually have a problem with immigrants. They just want to know exactly who the hell they are, be able to have a little bit of control how many are arriving, and have them from come from the different countries in slightly more equal numbers. Only a few isolated wackjobs are actually in favor of instituting a 'nobody gets in alive' policy.

lol lookit all the immigrants getting into a country made up of er, immigrants?

Clockwood; this wasn't meant to be a very serious thread on the policy, just a funny responce of this one Senator!

Heck, here's a guy that is using his common sense, even though he may be a Republican he has realized that "cheap labor" benefits this country, it's southern cities are built by Mexicans, and they bare their name to boot. San Antonio Tex, Los Angeles Calf. Las Vegas Nev, San Diego Calf. All those cities were built by Mexicans, the housing in these cities are affordable cause of the cheap labor. So this Frits realizes that! ;) Finally a conservative politician that took his head out of his ass!. See my point?

lol lookit all the immigrants getting into a country made up of er, immigrants?

No! that's not it Sam, It's immigrants when they come from any other part of the world as long as it's not from the south of the border; It's "Illegal Aliens" when they do come from South of the US border! ;)

lol lookit all the immigrants getting into a country made up of er, immigrants?

Hmm, you don't know the difference between LEGAL immigration and ILLEGAL immigration?

And you claim to be studying to become a scientist?????

Baron Max

No! that's not it Sam, It's immigrants when they come from any other part of the world as long as it's not from the south of the border; It's "Illegal Aliens" when they do come from South of the US border! ;)

Hmm what about the Chinese who are smuggled in through ships?

Hmm what about the Chinese who are smuggled in through ships?

Chinese peasants strike up contracts with triads, currently the contract is about $35,000US. Of course, the peasant doesn't have that kind of cash, so they are shipped out in containers, usually to the west coast of Canada where they are picked up by immigration officials, detained and looked after by the government until they manage to slip out, head east and make their way across the US border where they work for the triads counterparts in the US to pay off their contract.

Chinese peasants strike up contracts with triads, currently the contract is about $35,000US. Of course, the peasant doesn't have that kind of cash, so they are shipped out in containers, usually to the west coast of Canada where they are picked up by immigration officials, detained and looked after by the government until they manage to slip out, head east and make their way across the US border where they work for the triads counterparts in the US to pay off their contract.

That explains the gangs, I suppose.

They always have a lot of cannon fodder available.

How sad.

The problem is that they are not immediately deported like the Mexicans, and for very obvious reasons, both governments know the gangs will immediately kill the peasants once they've come back to China.

Hmm what about the Chinese who are smuggled in through ships?

Baby, it's a matte of semantics. If you were here on the South of US and speak of "illegal aliens" no one is going to think of the Chinese! ;)

The problem is that they are not immediately deported like the Mexicans, and for very obvious reasons, both governments know the gangs will immediately kill the peasants once they've come back to China.

I don't know very much about this.

Could you indicate some good sources of information?

Baby, it's a matte of semantics. If you were here on the South of US and speak of "illegal aliens" no one is going to think of the Chinese! ;)

Sometimes the aura of America reminds me of Bombay- people from all over India come there, knowing that one is essentially on one's own, but any man willing to work can make it. All he needs to do is get there.

Sometimes the aura of America reminds me of Bombay- people from all over India come there, knowing that one is essentially on one's own, but any man willing to work can make it. All he needs to do is get there.

But the high rate of poverty is evidence that that's not true, Sam!

And even if it were, Bombay can not keep bringing people in because the city's service simply can't take care of them all. At some point, the services will fail, if it hasn't already. ...dumping more people into the city will make the city collapse.

And, yes, that's any city in the world, not just Bombay!

Baron Max

I don't know very much about this.

Could you indicate some good sources of information?


http://www.ice.gov/pi/news/newsreleases/articles/060405seattle.htm

http://www.ice.gov/pi/news/newsreleases/articles/060405seattle.htm

Hard to imagine what circumstances they must be escaping from to endure this for freedom. Very depressing.

But the high rate of poverty is evidence that that's not true, Sam!

And even if it were, Bombay can not keep bringing people in because the city's service simply can't take care of them all. At some point, the services will fail, if it hasn't already. ...dumping more people into the city will make the city collapse.

And, yes, that's any city in the world, not just Bombay!

Baron Max



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Mumbai

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4269858.stm

Some more information on Chinese human smuggling:

http://usinfo.state.gov/eap/east_asia_pacific/chinese_human_smuggling.html

Sam, this topic is about "wetbacks" ....which is a term for illegal Mexicans. It ain't got jack=shit to do with illegal Chinese being smuggled into the US!

Baron Max

When US businesses depend on illegal immigration to bring their product to market then that business is a criminal enterprise and must be prosecuted as such.

When US businesses depend on illegal immigration to bring their product to market then that business is a criminal enterprise and must be prosecuted as such.

More like when U.S. businesses depend on illegal immigration, we're screwed cause there's nothing we can do about it. Once policy affects a powerful businessman making money, good luck trying to get that reversed. You'd be more likely to see Democrats and Republicans sitting around a campfire singing Kumbaya before that ever happens.

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More like when U.S. businesses depend on illegal immigration, we're screwed cause there's nothing we can do about it. Once policy affects a powerful businessman making money, good luck trying to get that reversed. You'd be more likely to see Democrats and Republicans sitting around a campfire singing Kumbaya before that ever happens.

- NGood Point. I agree. Pseudo slave labor has always been a cornerstone of US capitalism. It's all about that profit and if it means breaking their own laws the Twin Party Twinks will do it with a smile.

Good Point. I agree. Pseudo slave labor has always been a cornerstone of US capitalism. It's all about that profit and if it means breaking their own laws the Twin Party Twinks will do it with a smile.

I'd like to post an article that has received recommendations from multiple sources about the disaster White South Africa created by importing millions of Blacks for their use as cheap labor.

http://www.realiteit.co.za/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=573&mode=thread

White South Africa What Went Wrong

In 1980, White South Africa was acknowledged -- even by her enemies -- as the most powerful country on the African continent. Now, 25 years later, this White giant has collapsed and is in the hands of the ANC. The Afrikaners, once masters of the country, are today a subject nation, ruled by people, who only 120 years ago, did not have the wheel.
How did this happen? What happened to Apartheid? Why did that policy not guarantee White survival in that country? What went wrong? Arthur Kemp provides the answer.

It is one of the many bitter ironies about South Africa that the policy of Apartheid – to which Afrikaners clung for decades as their only hope and salvation from Third World domination – was in fact an impracticable and unworkable system which led directly to the Afrikaners’ demise as a political force in that country.

The politicians -- the National Party -- who fostered Apartheid, are the primary criminals in this tragedy, holding out a false illusory hope to the Afrikaners, and then when the inevitable became just that, changed track and gave in, abandoning their followers to ANC rule as callously as they had earlier lied to them.

For Apartheid – in reality forced social segregation – was nothing but an illusion, a twisted distortion of the demographic reality of South Africa, not to mention the truth that it was, ultimately, morally repugnant as well.

Who really wants to rule over millions of non-Whites by force? What sane White person would wish that as a legacy to their children?

Worse, the conservative White South African politicians – all of them - never understood – and possibly still today, do not understand – what the driving force of political power is: namely, physical occupation.

Political power comes from physical occupation: not historical rights, not title deeds, not moral rights – only occupation. Those people who occupy a territory determine the nature of the society in that region. Two examples, familiar to all, illustrate this point well:

Example 1: North America. On that continent, the American Indian (Amerind) people lived for thousands of years, creating a culture which dominated that continent. The culture of North America reflected the fact that the Amerinds lived and formed the majority population there.

After 1500 AD, however, that continent filled up with White immigrants from Europe. These White immigrants displaced the Amerinds by squeezing them out of possession of North America.

The great shift in North America then occurred. Whereas the Amerind culture had dominated for thousands of years, in a few hundred years the dominant civilization on that continent had become White European. This shift reflected the fact that the majority of inhabitants of North America had become White Europeans -- and the Amerind civilization “fell” because the population of North America changed.

This effect -- the displacement of peoples and the subsequent disappearance of their civilization -- has direct implications in racial terms. The rise and fall of any particular civilization can therefore be traced, not by the economics, politics, morals etc. of a particular civilization, but rather by the actual racial presence of the people themselves. If the society which has produced a particular civilization stays intact as a racially homogeneous unit, then that civilization remains active.

If, however, the society within any particular given area changes its racial makeup -- through invasion, immigration, or any decline in numbers -- then the civilization which that society has produced will disappear with them, to be replaced by a new civilization reflecting the new inhabitants of that territory.

Example 2: Israel. The state of Israel is today a political reality, not because the Bible says Jews belong there (although many Jews and Christians might think so), but simply because the Zionist movement has ensured that Jews are a majority in that territory. This was done through a deliberate policy of settlement and immigration, coordinated over decades.

This also forms the rationale behind the current Israeli government’s plans to build up Jewish settlements in the occupied Arab West Bank: by physically occupying the territory, they hope to change the make-up of that region to the point where it becomes de facto part of Israel. History teaches us that there are two main reasons for a change in the racial make-up of any
society: either military occupation or the use of foreign or alien labor.

The American Indians serve as a text book example of the “military occupation” case study, as detailed earlier, while South Africa serves as a text book example of the “use of foreign labor” case study. When a change occurs through the use of alien labor, the following process occurs:

- The dominant society imports (usually racially) foreign labor to do the menial work in that society.
- These racial aliens then become established, settle down and multiply in numbers by drawing upon the society’s structures (in White countries, their science, healthcare, technology, etc.)
- They grow in number, and finally dominate that society by their sheer numbers.

It is, simply put, a demographic reality: those who occupy a land, determine the nature of that society. And so it was – and is – with South Africa, where population figures reveal precisely how the use of alien labor by the Afrikaners dispossessed them of their fatherland.

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