Welcome ladies and geltel-men.
~*That does not meen Mr. G :D*~

Anyone that likes to learn psychic abilities and have questions.
Listen to Banshee, she can give usefull tips...
Just read this thread or PM persons you feel that can help you...
Exept for Banshee, she's very busy to keep up whit everything...
(Just ask her on one of her forums, if you realy feel you need her help).

Anyone whit some controlled psychic powers who wants to share their techniques, post it...

If Mr. G kicks in whit some of his skeptic posts, ignore it...
He mostly has pessimistic comments.
~*Although I'm only warning, it's not aimed to hurt his feelings.*~

c-yah

[DISCLAIMER] I/We will NOT take responsibility for any action that you did using any of these techniques/methods. You did it yourself, out of your own free will. If you where forced by someone that was NOT on the thread, then HE/SHE is responsible for your actions, and should take it. We only post techniques here for you and others out of interest and/or to learn out of free will .

I'm not a skeptic, but I think alot of it is subconscious deep introspection.

I dont have much time to explain, but I got a good website from some other sciforums guy.

kaballah-web.org or something like that. I cant remember the exact spelling.

It's hard not to be sceptical about things which have no evidence to back them up.

I'm using my psychic powers now to predict that I will get some more flak for my stance on all things parapsychological very soon. And so will Mr G, no doubt.

:)

Parapsychology contains the Unexplained.

How do you want your evidence James R.??
The same way the great scientists get their evidence about all their theories? You are welcome to critisize but don't take the members who post here down with it.

Most humans live their lifes to much in the material way and they THINK to much. It should be very good to listen more to your feelings and to your body.
You could be surprised. Go away from your home town and take a long, long walk in the Woods, for instance. With as less humans around as can be. Then be quite, walk and listen...
Listen to everything that is going on in the Woods, every single sound.
It relaxes you completely if you can let it come to you and DO NOT think, just listen and feel...
It helps to make you become more aware of Nature and takes your mind of the material and human trouble of daily life.
Perhaps then you get a little bit of the feelings back which are locked away behind your material thinking way of living among so many other humans who have lost contact with themselves. They prefer to hang on to scientific theories and their material luxury. With all what belongs to it.

No feelings left, no tears to cry...

Well, what do you think has become of all that scientifical thinking and their inventions?

Look around you, in what kind of world you live now a days.
Isn't that pretty...Is it?

Banshee,

<i>How do you want your evidence James R.??
The same way the great scientists get their evidence about all their theories?</i>

Mostly. Yes. At least when we're talking about things which should be verifiable by the scientific method.

<i>You are welcome to critisize but don't take the members who post here down with it.</i>

I have never criticised a member of this forum, to my knowledge. I may disagree with what they say, but that does not mean I am judging them as a person. I will also defend their right to say whatever they want to in a public forum (provided they abide by the spoken and unspoken rules of that forum).

<i>Most humans live their lifes to much in the material way and they THINK to much. It should be very good to listen more to your feelings and to your body.</i>

You're assuming I don't do that. More generally, you're assuming that scientists don't do that. I'm guessing you don't know many scientists personally.

<i>Perhaps then you get a little bit of the feelings back which are locked away behind your material thinking way of living among so many other humans who have lost contact with themselves. They prefer to hang on to scientific theories and their material luxury.</i>

Scientists are actually among the most inventive and imaginative thinkers there are, alongside artists.

May I suggest to you that you learn some science. There is hidden beauty there, too. You may think science is all cold hard theory, with equations and test tubes. In fact, science is the study of the natural world in all its aspects. You may look at a flower and see its superficial beauty. I can look at a flower and see not only how it looks and smells, but also know about how it grew, what its different parts are for and how they work. I can see it as the culmination of millions of years of evolution, the product of a chain of genetic links stretching back to the dawn of life. I also see it as part of an ecosystem - its interrelation with insects which polinate it, parasites which feed on it, and symbiotic organisms which couldn't exist without it. I can think about the energy it gets from the sun and the photosynthetic processes by which its plant converts that energy to food. And the list goes on.

The flower has superficial beauty, but it also has layer apon layer of other beauties, some of which are accessible only with the scientific theories you continually put down.

<i>Look around you, in what kind of world you live now a days.
Isn't that pretty...</i>

Right back at you. :)

Science is slowly reaching the planes where shamen and psychics have travelled since dawn. Alchemy and magick demand the same minute precision as a scientific experiment. By the time virtual reality becomes the chosen form of interface when conducting these experiments, the waving and gesticulations of the scientist will be identical to those of the magus doing a incantation :D

Scientists are the children of alchemists, they should not loose their heritage :)

James R. I am not against scientists, I even read scientifical theories and they have some good theories, but it stay theories.

It are mostly the latest inventions to go into Space and try to colonize another Planet which tick me off and all the war weaponry the great inventors waist their time on.

Perhaps their imagination is a little to much for Earth right now.:)

How you think I've found my way through life until now? Just by living it? I have to deal with scientific inventions also and I don't complain about the more 'normal' inventions.

But I really hate it to see what they are busy with lately. Destruvtive and expensive inventions and nothing which can help the humans on Earth who are in need.

And that is what concerns me the most. Just another theory.

Do you live your life only by scientific theories? I guess not...

If I read your posts at Sciforums in general I have to say you have a pretty smart look at everything...;)

Alright, not menth in a bad way, but eat this quote:


By a lot of sientists, movie and series caracters and even common persons:

It all is ALWAYS possible in THEORY...


Prove that wright OR wrong...
If you can find it.
I garentee you, it'll be as tough as finding proof about psychic abilities...

Just throw away logic, and get lost in these things by trying instead of investigating area's sientific.
I readed page's that they say it did work, but their equipment didn't give an accurate desciption what it is...

I got further to techniques and what to do.
THEN you'll maybe get to the non sceptical part of your beliefs...
Don't just sit around for proof, whit theories these days I can do that and be like Mr. G
Well I won't, I'm not lazy to really wait for proof.

It's probably the most fun to discover it by yourself than by others.
They will have enjoyed conquering the hard things and felt good by overcomming those hard challanges.
I was bored in school because there was no big of a challange for me, and not what I personally wanted to do.

I learned from THAT ITSELF and try to use that lesson.

Just give it a try from the opposit direction.

Banshee,

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha,i wish i could tell them about my bro"...


bye!

Zion, why don't you tell them about your bro...????;)

Well, as you maybe already know, I accepted Shrike's challange...
I'll begin whit the first few tip's, but Banshee and I are planning on making a thread about Astral Projection...

*Maybe I better can devine them as rules...*

1st rule: Never doubt the power you want to learn for.

2nd rule: Never doubt yourself for not being able to do this.
And do not give up or try to depend on others, I don't either.

3rd rule: DO meditate *it'll ease, sooth and relax you*.
For 15 minutes or half an hour if you have enought time to spend.

4th rule: Do NOT punnish yourself nor take it to serious.
Treat it like a game if you can, just stay at ease.
Follow it whit ease and do not forse or you'll frustrate yourself, and that can block ways to your powers.

5th rule: Try to use a good cause as a goal, not for cheap show-offs, and throw logic asside like a book frustrates you, just don't let it blind you.

These 5 simple to learn *but hard to maintain* rules will probably get you a step or two closer to your powers.
I did hear of a saying about "Your powers will respond to a need, not a disire", keep it in mind as a back-up, maybe it's true and can it support you.

More tips and techniques will pop up.
And I don't doubt that!!!

Banshee,

it is in my opinion that these things be kept secret,you know with skeptics around,they might even prove what is right wrong.


bye!

Zion, you have a point...

It's true that we can't trust everybody whit this.
But real skeptics are to d*mn impatient and clouded to even come close to some powers.

If James R. allows himself to overcome his own barrier, he might learn some abilities.
For Shrike, he's doubtling, but very open, he has probably the biggest chance to get these powers as a skeptic.
But Mr.G won't be able, he argues even the facts, like in comming home, dogs and cats did use telepathy and insticts to get home.

A dog or cat could just guese that thet reach The Netherlands from either Spain or France.
I did see a documentation about this on tv, a year or 3/4 ago...

I just only remember *as one of the clearest pictures ever* that there was a little dog who got impatient and barked when her master walked around a few miles further.

When the master talked to a friend and sit's down on a park bench, she was quiet, when the master stood up and walked further toward home, the dog got impatient again and barked and jumped around.

the dog did react about 1/2 or 1/4 of a second later, but she knew.
No coincidence.
I remember also a likely story about a dog who would lay before The window if his master would return from a week long work.
The partner of the master could tell by the dog when he would be on his way.

But she didn't knew it was a telepathic sense of the dog that triggered him to wait.
In a week, the dog layed 2 days sooner at the spot to wait for his master.

The lady says, Get away from there silly, he's not comming home yet, it's thursday.
Ironicly the dog didn't listen to her and stubbornly wait, as-if the lady didn't even say that.
The night of the day, his master comes home, and the lady was surprised afterwards of the event...

Since then I didn't doubt dogs have telepathy, and I could tell most of the time by our dog if my brother or father comes home...
I know myself that dad comes home in about 10 minutes, so the dog would go and wait in about 5...

I wander why they have a better telepathic sence then we do...
They dream more and think less...
we do the opposit, so that could be a logic explenation.
I gotta go, have to set my 21" monitor ready, so dad and I can drop it off for repairs...

Greetz...

As I was saying, it could be untrustfull to some people, but skeptics would mostly have a hard time training it.
I can suggest we use some limits in techniques and tips, but As far as I know, psychokinesis is the worst power to give, but it's also one of the hardest, the hardest one is probably teleportation.

The only harm I'm familiar of whit telepathy is dirty words and a mayor headache.
Don't play it badly whit it, when you kick in someones face whit it, it'll somehow kick you back the same or worse...

Greetz...
*And still, be at ease, it's nothing to worry about as long as you don't abuse it*

I fell asleep the first time I tried to meditate-is that okay? I had a nice little nap:p

Well, it's common to fall asleep when you begin meditating.
Just ignore the hsppening, see it as a little mistake that was more helpfull than useless or bad.

A good rested mind wouldn't hurt for practicing psychic powers :D.
So just meditate again and again, don't take it hard if you'll fall asleep, you just have to get used to it...

Zion, you are very right. It was a reaction on your reply. Tried to get something from you, but you are right. Keep it to yourself.;)

Psy-learner, thank you for the explanation. :)

It is true though that most humans fall asleep during the first few times they try to meditate. But that will pass and then you really don't fall asleep no more.

Try to do it with your Inner Self awake. Take advantage of the Chakra's to meditate, it will help you to meditate and keep your Inner Self awake.

I will go there now to explane as far as I know my english good enough to explane...:p

This is Learning Psychic Powers *free-for-all* after all.
Free to learn of this forum skeptic or not!

But now the desperate question...
CAN ANYBODY PLEASE HELP ME TO GET THIS FORUM BACK TO LIFE?????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????

I recently got interested in Ki Energies.
I think it has a link to psychic powers or can be used in combination...
Anybody want to teach others psychic powers?
Or inform a little bit about Ki Energies?

That's why this forums here after all :)

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That's rare, 3 times 2 word I rarely use in 1 post.
Nice counting too.
*3 times-2 words-1 post*
*The 3rd time is now: rare, after all*

What a load of rubbish I always can put in a post.
*/

Come on!
Get life back in here!

Yes Psy-learner, you are right. Lets bring some life in this thread again.

As you mentioned to me, one of the important centres in the body to concentrate on with Ki energies is located some 3 - 10 centimeters under your navel. At exactly the same place as a Chakra is located. In the belly, you can find feelings that have to do with your emotional state of mind.

If you feel real sad, your belly gives the signals. Think of it. Your belly hurts literally when you are down and sad. When you see something aweful, your belly reacts and cramps(?). The feelings are best felt in the belly. When you break down and cry, your whole belly hurts. It is an important 'place' in your body. Pay attention to it, you'll see and feel for yourself.

I don't know much about Ki energies though. You can teach me something here. Lets hear it please...;)

Sorry being late to comment in the thread.

Banshee, as i knew, it's about 2 to 3 cm UNDER the belly. but, may be you have another references. ;)

James R, if you wanna see REAL proof of psychic skills, you can go to eastern countries such as India, China, Indonesia, etc. There are lots of people has those skill. I WAS exercised several times ago. You can also meet me directly if you're really serious. I knew several training center in my country/city. Or i can take you to meet my previous teachers. Email me IF YOU'RE REALY SERIOUS want to see the proof. I learn physics too (not as good as you are, indeed), But it won't close my mind to belive things what you might think "not scientific enough".

Psy-learner. if you realy serious on Ki Energy (we call it "tenaga dalam" (=inner power) here, in my country), i strongly suggest you to get REAL teacher who can meet face-to-face. it may harm to yourself without experienced teacher. The teacher can FEEL your power/progress, and give proper directions.

I got more info about training center.

Try to search on google by keywords: "Satria Nusantara" or "Merpati Putih". Those training centers both from Indonesia. Satria Nusantara purely exercise on inner-power and health, Merpati Putih combine inner-power (for experts) with traditional martial art (for beginner). Satria Nusantara already opened training center in Netherland (your country Psy-learner! ;) ). I heard that Merpati Putih also opened at USA.
I've ever exercise in both of these training center. On telepathy, i've lerned from somewhere else willing to remain unexposed. Both of these training centers also mostly opened on Colleges in Indonesia, and also in 10 Nov Institute of Technology --my college :cool: -- as extra-curriculum activity.

Unfortunately mostly web you gonna found are in Indonesian language. But must be there some links in English somewhere.

See... James R, we're not talking bullshit here. Hope one of training center opened in your country, so we can get your analyst from scientific view :)

Hi ismu,

That's interesting. Could you please tell me what sorts of things you were taught at the centres you mentioned? What kinds of techniques? Do any of them work over long distances, so that you can demonstrate them over the internet?

Are these places very common in Indonesia? How many people go to them? Do they teach everybody, or only people with some special abilities?

If the proof of paranormal powers exists, why haven't we seen any? Surely they would be easy to demonstrate under controlled conditions - especially by trained experts such as yourself.

Well I thought I heard something awhile back about this Indian (no, not native american) guy who John Lennon idolized. I'm not sure but did the guy turn out to be a total b.ser?

James R,
No, these can't be learned at home. It's might harm to ourself without direct (face-to-face) supervision from experts.

They teach everybody. But the results and progress depends on individual nature. As we people there the smart one and dumb one, can't have equal progress in science education. The rest of answer you can find in my posts in Telepathy thread.

James R & Pollux V,
They don't like to show of force for nothing, we should use the skill for nobel purpose, such as self defense, not for fun, nor to take benefit in selfish manner. During training we always told to be wise and humble handling this skill. (I was tempted to act wicked at the first times :o ). There are sky above sky, by having these skill won't make us as invincible superhuman.

- Hey guys, after practicing and mostly find information...
(just say gathering information only for almost 2 years)
I have an announcement to make...

- Probably not all of you psychics are open about your powers, but a lot of you appeared to open up thanx to Banshee...
This post wil be posted in more then 1 thread...

- A few days ago, I seriously started to try telekinesis again, and very seriously...
Even whit a method (seeming boring and dificult) so simple and fun to try...
--- The psi-wheel technique ---
and I did it, whit more and sooner results then I even expected after long last...
I don't want to mis-guide people here, but I did it in even the first session...
Not on a big scale, but at least noticable...
Te day after went 3 times as better...

So I now pronounce myself, as Psychic controlled...

I'll practice more, to get very good, and try to encourage people to open up for it, and to learn it if they can be trusted whit it...

Cheers to you all and your sucesses on the same goals as I have...

P.S. : "Here's a late reply for ismu..."

I truely want to grow my skills in most area's...
And I have a good confidence in myself, and litteraly now...

I studied about 2 years now, so if something will get out of hand, I know that I can prevent, minimize or even restore it...
Maybe it'll be good to have a teacher though...
But I was a person mostly on my own on these things...

"And for Banshee..."
Sure I'll teach some things to you and explain some things...
I first want to train my self thouroughly, so I'll master it fast enough (whit minimal damage, if any).

And I'll know what I'll talk about :)
If I didn't, I wouldn's...

Originally posted by Psy-learner
[size=1]P.S. : "Here's a late reply for ismu..."

I truely want to grow my skills in most area's...
And I have a good confidence in myself, and litteraly now...

I studied about 2 years now, so if something will get out of hand, I know that I can prevent, minimize or even restore it...
Maybe it'll be good to have a teacher though...
But I was a person mostly on my own on these things...
[/i]

For your own sake, at least you supposed to know where to find a help, just in case something wrong happen. Such as internal injured or inconscious.

Congratulation for your achievement ;)

Psy-learner, how you mean this? Explanation please. Thank you. :) Be careful...:)

Originally posted by Psy-learner
*"And for Banshee..."
Sure I'll teach some things to you and explain some things...*

What exactly do you want to teach me? Just wondering... :)

Originally posted by Banshee
I don't know much about Ki energies though. You can teach me something here. Lets hear it please...;)

Well, this was your Message to me, on the previous page...
So that is what I'll teach and/or explain to you :)

I do have 2 links, but I don't know if you'd like them...

Hey...

I'd like to participate in this discussion as well, as a new sciforums member... On one hand I'm a pretty scientific and sceptical person, I let reason be the engine of my mind, and emotions the fuel of that engine...

On the other hand, I do keep a open mind towards everything... Although I strongly believe that everything in the universe is logical, I do believe that there are things which seem illogical and supernatural because we don't yet understand them... This also enables me to believe in the possibility of telepathy, telekinesis, astral projection and the like....

My question to you-all is, are so-called psychic powers still possible with such an attitude? I'd very much like to develop myself in all ways possible, hence also in parapsychological ways... Until now I've been rather unsuccesfull in such things although they've always appealed my interest.

A theory is that such 'supernatural' things only work if you believe them to work for 100%... The truth is that logic doesn't allow me that.. Because there's always a chance (a fairly big chance) then the 'power' doesn't work..

I'd appreciate your insights on this,

This is the first time I wandered in the parapsychology, this is all very interesting to me. But in the opening post, I took it that I would be learning how to use my psychic abilities (which I do believe in) but so far noone has gave me any tips, except other places on the net to look. I like Banshees tip on taking a walk with nobody around - I try that every weekend - and it is very relaxing and fulfilling. Ive tried meditating, but I have very little personal time. And also, does meditating itself help you gain the psychic ability or does it just open up your mind more? Im thinking the latter. So, other than an open mind, what more can I do? Are there other techniques that I could try or learn to gain better understanding of my psychic abilities?? Just curious.:)


Groove on

My oppinion is that you have a (maybe even big) chance...
If you are really open, you'll have to do everything told to you on how to do it...

Meditation is a way to amplify the possibility, but I didn't meditate while doing TK...

When you do a TK method, don't analize it...
Just go whit it...
Silent your thoughts, but don't force it...
Do the method like it is explained, and just believe in it...
Get rid of logic for that time being...

IF you DO want to analize it, just come to patience, and AFTER your experience, (if any) analize what you did, what you felth, and what you thought...

I advise to search thuroughly about paranormal activities like I did...
It gave me a boost...

Proycon, welcome to Sciforums. :) Yep, psychic abilities and good reasoning go very well together.

*stRgrL*, everybody can open up their psychic abilities. Not everyone has the same possibilities. Meditation is a good way to open up your Inner Self/Inner Senses and find a good balance between your feelings and your acting toward the outside world. A lot of humans grow narrow-minded, as society asks this and most people want to belong to the herd. So, scientific evidence for everything and if it's not to be proven, it doesn't exist.

Guess most of this human race has lost connection with Nature and their Inner Selfs. Everything is already decided for them by the rules and laws of this consumption society. Then feelings are hidden, easier to do without that 'voice' which tries to speak to them from within.

So, besides being in Nature and treat Her with respect, be yourself, be true to yourself and your Inner Feelings... :)

I bet you've had experiences with rather 'unexplainable things' during this life time. Think about it!

Yep, psychic abilities and good reasoning go very well together.

They are however, at opposite ends of the spectrum in regards to reality.

Guess most of this human race has lost connection with Nature and their Inner Selfs.

Unlike others who have lost connection with reality.

I bet you've had experiences with rather 'unexplainable things' during this life time.

Oh yes, I have. Thanks for the advise. Im going on a mission this weekend to find my inner self! Wish me luck!!!!


Groove on

I concern about your safety, guys and gals. So I'll tell some tips so you're not misleading on your practice. Before entering next phase you MUST do these breathing steps. Or your health could go worst.

PLEASE READ CAREFULLY!

There are 4 types of breath (As long as I knew and did. Other discipline might be use another) in meditating. These must be done in sequences. DON'T do next type of breath before you done previous types.

1) 1:2 sided breath
This breath is in proportion 1:2. Means inhale in n heart beat, and exhale in 2n heart beat. The longer the better, but DON'T push yourself. If you feel comfort in breathing with 2 heart beat inhale and 4 hart beat exhale, don't push yourself to larger number. Start it with 2/4 heart beats. Normally you'll done this step in 1--2 months.

Do it about 30--45 minutes daily, at night, at opening (or well ventilated room). You can do it before you go to sleep.

Practice this breath until you feel comfort with at least 6/12 heart beats. REMEMBER: DO NOT PUSH YOURSELF TO ACHIEVE LARGER NUMBER. BE PATIENT UNTIL YOU FEEL COMFORT WITH THIS BREATH. Maximum numbers is 8/16. Larger than that won't make any good.

This kind of breat then shold be used in your daily life, after you finished this types of breath, and move on next types.

2) 1:1 sided breath
After you feel comfort with 1:2 sided breath, your night breath rituals should be changed to 1:1 proportion. Do it daily until you can reach at least 8/8 heart beats. Maximum 12/12.
These two types of breath needed to prepare your body and mind to practice next phase of breaths without degradation of your health. Normally you'll done this step in 1--2 months.

Notice that these breathing practice may damage your brain if it can't get enough oxygen supply.

Remember: Use 1:2 sided breath in your daily life.

3) 2:1:2 sided breath
It means 2n heart beats inhale, 1n heart beats hold, 2n heart beats exhale. Do it daily until you can reach at least 8/4/8 heart beats. Maximum 12/6/12.

This breath type is used to collect energy from suroundings. While meditating, imagine you suck pure energy while inhale, lock those energy below your navel while holding your breath, and release impurities in your body while exhale.

Remember: Don't push yourself. Holding too much energy beyond your capability may harm yourself. Don't practice this more than 1 hour a day, Unless you're advanced and can feel your own energy and you capacity.

In this this phase, should be there is an expert guide you. He'll know are you have enough energy yet to go to next phase. An expert (teacher) can feel how much energy cou collect. If you don't have enough energy, step by step you'll gonna lost your energy you've been collected in next phase.
Useless isn't it? You got to do this phase again if you lost your energy in next phase.

But in average, most of people got enough energy after 3 upto 6 months.

4) 2:1:2:1 sided breath
This means 2n heart beats inhale, 1n heart beats hold while your lung full of air, 2n heart beats exhale, and 2n heart beats hold while your lung empty. Do it daily until you can reach at least 8/4/8/4 heart beats. Maximum 16/8/16/8.

This breath type is used to collect energy from suroundings, and prepare your energy to use. While meditating, imagine you suck pure energy while inhale, lock those energy below your navel while holding your breath, release some of your energy to create such energy shield around your body while exhale, and lock that shield while hold in empty lung.

This energy shield is used to protect you. And ready to use (combined with energy you have below your navel) for other purpose such as long distance atack, telekinetic, hard material breaking with bare hand (or even using your head), telepathy, etc.

Practice this type of breath at least 1 hour daily. And keep breathing with 1:2 side breath in your daily life. Otherwise, you'll lost your ability, and should restart your practice from the baginning.

It's requres more practice to utilize you energy, depends on specialization / expertise you want to do.

---

Good luck, and keep yourself being humble. There are skies above sky, there must be someone, somewhere, have ability above yours. Use your ability ONLY for nobel puposes. Don't ever just show up for nothing!!

DISCLAIMER: I don't take any responsibility for any damage and/or injuries you may got and/or create. I've suggest you to get a teacher who can assist you face to face. I've told the risk, and assume you ready to take any risk on your own.

As I mentioned above while I said "Other discipline might be use another" (~type of breath) it's about 2:1:2 sided breath.

Other discipline (as I knew and did) using triangle breath. It was using 1:1:1 proportion of heart beats period for inhale:hold:exhale.
But i suggest to use 2:1:2. It easier and more safe for your health.

Do 2:1:2 sided breath exercise (or triangle breath) if you feel your power goes weak. It's used to collect energy from surrounding without waste it to build your shield.

Again, don't forget: 2:1:2 sided or triangle breath can work ONLY if your body has prepared well using 1:2 and 1:1 sided breath. If not your body can't hold enough energy by 2:1:2 or triangle breath.

Originally posted by *stRgrL*
this is all very interesting to me. But in the opening post, I took it that I would be learning how to use my psychic abilities (which I do believe in) but so far noone has gave me any tips,

Groove on

Uhh, whooops there *stRgrl*.
Well yeah, but I didn't really get to it yet...
And uhh, this might sound like a lame excuse, but, I thought that I menth whit *free-4-all* that anybody whit a technique of his, her own ot a good technique, would post it here, and to post good comments about abilities.

It actually says that in the first post...
So, "if" you have anything, post it...
Clearly and detailed, like ismu and I did/do...

And I'll edit the first post to ad a disclaimer, just to be sure...

But sure, I'll try to get to it, and uhh, sorry for the mess...
So here is the fist Tech I'll post (for the second time) wich I sucseeded in using...
And ofcourse (thanks to ismu) the Second technique on this forum, even to make it up for you all...

---Here is the psi-wheel tech...

The psi-wheel technique is simpelly prepared...

Tools needed:
A piece of paper, larger then 1/2 inch x 1/2 inch, or 1 cm x 1 cm.
1 scissor.
1 thumb-tack.

Make cut a square piece of paper to the about size I mentioned.
Now you have to fold the paper 4 times...

Once so that the top-left corner touches the lower-right corner.
Once so that the top-right corner touches the lower-left corner.

Turn the piece of paper around.

Then once so the left corners touches the right corners...
And then once so that the top corners touches the bottom corners.

Now, set the thumb-tack so the metal point is upward...
Now balance the piece of paper on it, and try not to let you or anything blow at it...
If it helps to make you sure, set a glas upside down over it.
(this could make it a bit more dificult, so it's your call)
Now it's set!


Sugestedly, meditate for minimally 15 minutes.
Other wise relax and clear your miind completely, and get a goood focus on what you are doing.
(Yes, goood, whit 3 o's, that's because you do have to focus good on only the method...)

Now, focus on one corner of the paper...
Focus on it whit all your energy, and (uhhm, how to explain it) *will* it to turn..
Try if it helps, that it spinns on the top of the tack...

Now what didn't work for me: when you get a good control, try knocking it off of the tack and see iff you sucseed...

And somethink that did woek for me: if you can't focus on it, try pushing is whit energy trough your hands...
If you can make invisible psi-balls, this will be a bit easier for you.
Set your hand about atleast 5 centimeters from it, and try to imagine energy from it and pushing against a corner.
Or point at the cornet, and try to imagine it comming out of your index finger...
now there is 1 little technique whit this too, but if you use it, it could spoil it, because you could get depended on it...
And that is what you don't want, limited results and limited Psycokinesis...


Some tips on the side:

1. When you focus on it, try to do it whitout nesseseraly thinking about it.
Sure you can let one or two thoughts slip trough, as long as you can recover it fast and get a good focus back.

2. Try to focus or imagining the goal instead of the task, to be honnest, that was a bit of a boost the second day I did it.

3. Try to fool your sub-consions, try and *tell it* "Hey, it moved, did you see it? You did that".
If your lucky, it does move, but don't depend on it...
[DISCLAIMER, this is a tip that didn't came from myself]

4. To read it again, go to:
http://www.spiritonline.com/files/messages/17/410.html?965436363
and
http://www.psipog.org/cgi-bin/show.cgi?000-005 "Note that this site does have 2 working clips of the psi-wheel"

[DISCLAIMER] I/We will NOT take responsibility for any action that you did using any of these techniques/methods. You did it yourself, out of your own free will. If you where forced by someone that was NOT on the thread, then HE/SHE is responsible for your actions, and should take it. We only post techniques here for you and others out of interest and/or to learn out of free will .

Interesting Psy-learner.

But using only concentration you'll can only move lightweight suffs. Because you don't have enough energy to magnify your will.

By using breath practice as you basic training, after master it, you may have enough power to throw 400 pounds guy couple meters away without touching him.

Keep practicing ;)

Can you do that, ismu?

Thanks, Im going to try in this weekend - Ill let ya'll know how it goes. Oh, and in your opinion - would you try in the quiet outdoors or in a totally quiet room?
Just curious:)

Groove on

If you want to try TK, without ever having any experience in it, then make sure you are in a quiet place, without interference.

Good luck, let's know what happened please...:)

Originally posted by James R
Can you do that, ismu?

No. I've told before (somewhere in my post) that I was leave the training before I fully master it. Got bored. I was can only "touch" someone from distance. And crush stones with bare hand.

But I SAW my seniors and teachers at Satria Nusantara did it many times in the training center. They can do that after 3 -- 5 years practice.

See attachment. It shows Merpati Putih student breaks stones with his head. It's seems imposible to do it with only headbones without other power.

Unfortunately I haven't got the picture of telekinetics used to throw someone. Satria Nusantara training center ussually do it in the demo for new students to encourage them.

more note about my breathing technique:
The technique I told you in previous post is not came from Merpati Putih, neither from Satria Nusantara.

Reply to: *stRgrl*

I agree whit Banshee, just try it indoors...
Maybe if *we* get more experience, we could do it outdoors, I would like that...
---
You know, I did A breathing exercize...

It was 4 seconds deep inhaling, and 10 seconds slowly exhaling...
After about 10 days, I could even stay under water for 90 seconds flat...
And my average, whit some training of 4 days of just trying to stay long under, was 40 seconds...
It DOUBLED!

So I'll try to keep in mind to restart good breathing exercizes...

And uhh, 400 pound guy? I like the sound of that ismu...
But uhh, I don't want to cause much trouble too when I'll get mad/furious...
Not on purpose anyway...
And I'll try to find more on energy supply exercizes...
I tried drawing energy, but never really used it, onless I needed a little, but it would be drained in not even 3 minutes...

ismu read your posts, and i have been in touch with my old master again,and he has agreed to train me further in the arts,he trained me for nine years,he got me to black belt two dan, he has trained me in chi kung, and taught me how to breath, at this moment in time i take six breaths a min, but i want to get it down to four, i am at one with my surroundings and meditate every day, for at least one hour, i listen to the sounds around me, as i live in the country side i get a lot of peace, i can pick out sounds that i can not hear when i am in a normal state,last week i picked up a frog that had just hoped past me, with my eyes closed and in meditation at the time, to me that was perfect speed ,but to my master i was just showing off, i would love to go to china but may not find the time as i am a farmer,and i dont get much time to go on hols,but i will always find time to practice the arts, hope you keep posting on this subject, as i want to know all i can.

have you heard of James Randi? show him your powers, and be rich.


ps. i can't believe what you guys are talking about. think about the world where people could move things and hurt others by psychic powers.


pps. www.randi.org (that is, if you really want the money)

ppps. i can get down to 0 breaths a minute.

have you heard of James Randi? show him your powers, and be rich.

Are you a slob?
2 things:

1 you must have a pure goal whith your powers, if you don't use them in a good way, it'll kick you hard for it.

2. When you wanna "show off" you'll get nervous, especially whit strange people around you...
think about you playing poker, doing well, and suddenly some stranger not even playing, stares over your shoulder, you get nervous, LOSE CONCENTRATION, and eventually, MESS UP, because of that...

ps. i can't believe what you guys are talking about. think about the world where people could move things and hurt others by psychic powers.

well, explain why average people only use 10 to 30 % of their brains, and leave the other 70 to 90% untouched their whole lives...

Well, uhh, maybe you probably use less then 5%, but, sorry to say it, that's you...

think about the world where people could move things and hurt others by psychic powers and hurt others by psychic powers hurt others

sorry again, but, that's not a pure intent, and what are you, a psychotic only want to profit from a high power to hurt others that hurt you big time?
Now that's pathetic, only learning it for that cause.

pps. www.randi.org (that is, if you really want the money)

Why would we want money using our powers?
We are happy whitout money, if you just could let go of materials that you like, but don't need to enjoy your live...

Okay, SURE I'LL DO IT!!!
But I'm 1.5 years to late whit tapping in to my powers to help my brothers kid that had Leukemy...

That is purety of heart, not fully, but If I could save someone whit it, I'd would be glad to do it...
Not for a cheap victory, do it yourself if you think that's the answer...

But that's another problem, you are skeptical, and if you'd like to try, you mess up because of unpure intentions...

ppps. i can get down to 0 breaths a minute.

Prove it, make a tape end set a download link here for it...
Everybody could do THAT, but most of them are dead...
And a lot could hold their breath, but drowning or sufficating yourself is not your goal...

Have a great time doing that, (all day long, at 1 continuous time, killing yourself)

*Sorry for the rough words, but like this, he'll learn a little bit*

"you must have a pure goal whith your powers, if you don't use them in a good way, it'll kick you hard for it."

pure goal? take the money and use it for good.

"When you wanna "show off" you'll get nervous, especially whit strange people around you...
think about you playing poker, doing well, and suddenly some stranger not even playing, stares over your shoulder, you get nervous, LOSE CONCENTRATION, and eventually, MESS UP, because of that... "

so that's really the reason.

"Well, uhh, maybe you probably use less then 5%, but, sorry to say it, that's you..."

i don't know the exact %.....do you (% of your own brain)?


"sorry again, but, that's not a pure intent, and what are you, a psychotic only want to profit from a high power to hurt others that hurt you big time?

i'm not the one using psychic powers. did i say i would hurt someone?

"Now that's pathetic, only learning it for that cause."

it would be pathetic to use it like that, but if there would be such powers, someone would surely use it for that.

"Why would we want money using our powers?"

you don't want money. do you work? i would use these powers to claim the 1 000 000 dollars.

"*Sorry for the rough words, but like this, he'll learn a little bit*"

and what would that be?

you don't have to apologize ... come on...we're adults (i suppose you are too?), we can take it. that's life. without psychic powers.

ps. you forgot the smileys.....(i know, sometimes i do too)
;)

Well, you have got a point, but I won't run for the money...
Only when it's really, really, really, really, really needed...

And I don't know how much % I used, I'd have to buy or borrow equipment for it, or estimate it...

And no, you did not say you would hurt someone, but why think negative about psychic powers...

I admit people use it for bad causes, but they either don't know about the "do something bad, and it'll happen to you too stuff", forgot it, or because they used it long before they did such actions...

Uri Geller appeared that he got a bad experience after playing vegas at 1 casino and drain 1000's from them.

So that would also answer "you don't want money. do you work? i would use these powers to claim the 1 000 000 dollars." dor why I wouldn't do it.

And, uhh, I hasitated to use smiley's,, but choosed not to add them after all...

:D Greetz...

Psy-learner,

You can donate the money to charity.

And here we go again!!! http://people.zeelandnet.nl/pascal/images/smilies/banghead.gif

The same old story, same old song and dance my friend... http://people.zeelandnet.nl/pascal/images/smilies/headache.gif

I know Banshee...

I'll try the "ancient chinees secret":
-- When there's a lot of noise, be silent, and they will ignore you"

So you do know what I meen...

Okay, I got some free time last night and tried the little paper thingy, but it didnt work!!! I know, I didnt get lots of time to spend, maybe 15 minutes, but I did feel alot better after just sitting there concentrating. Maybe Im concentrating too hard? Any tips????

And Banshee, I love those little smiley faces, where'd ya get em??

Well, technically psi-learner you're not cheating when you use your powers to get the money. They want you to get it, and why shouldn't you? It's not an unfair advantage, no one else seems to be able to get the money, so why not give it a shot? You're cheating in poker if you can see everyone else's hand because you're a psychic, but you can't cheat or do anything wrong if you use your powers to prove to the world that the phenomena is true.

Good point Pollux

Heh, ya I know :D

Originally posted by Pollux V
You're cheating in poker if you can see everyone else's hand because you're a psychic, but you can't cheat or do anything wrong if you use your powers to prove to the world that the phenomena is true.

No, wrong!!! It's not allowed to use powers for this kind of crap and you know it!!! Cheating is wrong in any way. It back-fires, remember?

You people and your money. Jesus, is there nothing else you can think about but that? Money, money, money...Makes the world go round...And bring it to its doom, in the end.

Fuck It!!! :rolleyes:

*stRgrL*, mayhaps you should do this concentrating every day. It will certainly help you to feel better. It's rather difficult to do T/K after 1 try. Keep on going, who knows what will come out of it? It never hurts to try...:)

(The smilies were a one time event. They are coming from another Forum. Guess it's a little cheating, too, for they don't belong here. I stole them, just for once...;) Well, I may do it again, I love those Smilies.)

Well *stRgrl*, I think that you just said it yourself a bit...
You can concentrate to hard...
Or maybe you didn't concentrate to hard, but missed out a little detail...

Try to concentrate playfully...
Don't *bug* yourself all the time, by straining and tensing all the time...

It's sometimes hard to stay relaxed and un-tensed while you try to concentrate good...
Try it as if you where playing a board game, what you won't take to seriously whit failure...

Maybe an example of Risk:

The good way: That you play whit a good focus/concentration, but keep relaxed and joyfull, and just try your best whitout the desire to win...

The bad way: That you play so seriously, you get tence and you try very hard to win.
And whit all costs, that you concentrate good, but are missing maybe even the most obvious or simplest attacks because of your *blinded* view caused by your desire...

Hope that you got the point...
Check the page here for some starting points (http://www.spiritonline.com/files/messages/17/406.html?965436107)
It could be a little help for you...
And look a little bit around, it isn't a bad site...

cya...

Banshee,

So you're saying that you'd rather see people starving on the streets than to use your psychic powers to help them - perhaps by donating $1 million dollars, for example?

Interesting.

n-n-nutty.

Psychic power should be handle and use with care. REALLY CARE. Just like handling nuclear weapon.

My teacher won't give his knowledge before he sure the student will wise enough to use it. First lesson is to fix your mind. Use it only for nobel purposes. And try to use non-psychic power first to solve the problem. That's why we also learn traditional (non-psychic) martial art as beginner. Here we can feel how hurts when your opponent in the training kick your face. You may not angry because of that. You should shake hand with your opponent after he beat you up in the training. Learn to control your emotion. Learn to control your short term desires. Learn to be wise, humble and kind.

Yes, It is always tempting when you have huge power in your hand. So, DON'T BE TEMPTED!!!

Think, what will you do if you have unbeatable super weapon you can always carry, and no one can take it from you? honestly... Are you tempted to control the world? make anyone bend their back to you?

Hfff.... Perhaps it's my mistake to reveal some technique here :(. Perhaps I shouldn't do it any more... sorry.

Sure you still can give techniques...
Most people are to impatient...
You just have to ignore them...
And I let them on the secret *again* and refresh your memory at the same time...

Most people still believe that people whit psychic powers are *gifted*...
Die hard skeptics and disbelievers won't even try untill someone has given them *solid* evidence...
But I quote from a site:
Extraordinary events need extraordinary evidence... So just think that only people that the it seriously will learn it.
Wannabe world dominators wont, trust me...
Okay, exept that they hire psychics...
But most of them won't do anything for the cause of harm...

Well... I'll think again about the techniques...
About evidence, I think it useless for skeptics. But for anyone who have good will and good intent, here I found a website about what we/you can do in Merpati Putih training center:

check this out (http://mpusa.50megs.com/indept.htm)

Hope this can encourage you to your learning and practice. We can see in that site that psychic ability can be use for blind people to "see" again.

BLASTOFF, it's wonderful what you did, catch jumping frog with your eyes closed. ;) When I was active in Merpati Putih, I was also able to cut flying mosquitoes with kitchen knife. But that's a history. I don't do training anymore.
I found greater values in life: being normal people. I found that my main purpose in life is not being a warrior. Someone else might be, but not me, I think.

<i>Die hard skeptics and disbelievers won't even try untill someone has given them *solid* evidence...</i>

Wrong, at least in my case.

I tried all the psychic stuff when I was younger. I used to think it would be cool to have psychic powers. Unfortunately, I discovered that psychic powers don't work.

Then I grew up.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by James R
I tried all the psychic stuff when I was younger. I used to think it would be cool to have psychic powers. Unfortunately, I discovered that psychic powers don't work.

Perhaps you haven't got the right guidance, or naturally not talented in psychic. But it doesn't mean that psychic power doesn't exists. You just can't master it (yet?), just like other people can't be too good in physics and math, or someones can grew high, big and strong, some others grew short, thin and weak.

Here i found a picture of psychic master throw someone without touching him. Not animated though (can't really convincing). But that's the only I can get for now.

Looks to me like one guy waving his hands and the other guy jumping back.

The guy could've been standing on a box that's been painted out of the picture. Notice his foot's shadow, it seems to not be as wide as it should be.

Whatever...

Just google on "Satria Nusantara", search for it's training center nearest to yours, and see with your own eyes. They show a demo for new registered students every 4 months.

Ismu,

I believe we humans are capable of a lot more than most of us realise. Maybe even psychic stuff. But I am a skeptic, and I like proof in all things.

Alright, a few days back I found a site, not really to my liking...
www.psipog.org

You'll get at the page to choose between PsiPog and LPSC...

I DO like Psipog itself, but not LPSC...
But, on LPSC, they claim that they CAN proof it, and apperantly do have proof...
I didn't see all of the LPSC parts, just wasn't my taste...

Have fun reading their *proof* and stuff...

Cya...

Originally posted by Adam
Ismu,

I believe we humans are capable of a lot more than most of us realise. Maybe even psychic stuff. But I am a skeptic, and I like proof in all things.

You're just lazy to searching the proof. And I also not (perhaps never) in the mood (and also too lazy) to put extraordinary proof right infront of skeptic's nose. :p

Greatly said by ismu...
Because it's the truth :D

It's just like working...
If your lazy and do things wrong, you piss your boss off and you can forget his help...
Do a great job and help out good and even become friends whit him, he can do ya favors...

SO GET YOUR LAZY ASSES UP LIKE I DID FROM THE EXACT START, AND SEARCH YOUR-SELFS, AND YOU'D PROBABLY GET MORE COOPERATION AFTERWARDS!

Cya...

ISMU i have seen proof of the power and i will learn it, my master has showen me and it was out of this world. i thank you for opening my mind. keep in touch please.

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ps. btw, ismu, i can't find noble purpose from the picture you posted.:eek: ........;)

Uhh, I think, uhhhh...
Not giving any physical pain by hitting them, but pushing them over as a result not to get painfull physical contact *?!?*

Congratulation BLASTOFF. Open minded person always have more chance to get something. Keep practicing. And if you (and your master) don't mind, tell our frends here about your progress.

Err... what did you mean by "...it was out of this world"?

varkas, it was in the training. The nobel purspose are such as self defense, defend your family against crime, etc.
Btw, jelly is not a good target for telekinesis. It is a good target for hungry mouth :D

about psychic powers in "self-defence"...

when people start to learning martial arts, how many of these teenagers (that's when most of them they start, i think) want to learn it for self-defence and how many just for showing off their skills, and in actual fighting situation, using their skills beyond the self-defence phase?

i know a lots of people (well, at least ten people ;) ) who trained martial arts
just to be the best fighter in the neigborhood. they did not start training because they were weak and defenceless. they started it because it make them feared and respected. some of them got kicked out of the training, but can't take away their skills...

if there's a millions (kyoshu or whatever...) of people who uses or learns to use these qi powers, i think there's a couple of not-so-noble among them.
and how will the master (teacher..) know when student is wise enough to use the powers?

if a guy, who is using his Qi or whatever powers, never starts a fight,
then two 'psychic fighters' fighting each other would be impossible.
is there schools where they teach to block these qi powers?...
that would be interesting... ;)

i think these 'psychic fighters' are as noble as skeptics. ;)
both seem to really care about people. even if they are total strangers and really pisses them off. ;)
they don't want to see people get hurt or don't want to hurt them.

psy-learner:"Most people still believe that people whit psychic powers are *gifted*..."

even some psychics say that they are gifted. (still? hell, there are STILL alchemists, too.;) )

psy-learner:"Die hard skeptics and disbelievers won't even try untill someone has given them *solid* evidence... "

that's not true. i have tried. pressure point-fighting (for selfdefence, of course) is another thing, but i don't know what to think of qi... i have seen some demostrations even on tv... but then again, there's john edwards on tv too... so i don't know.

ps. "Higher-level martial Qigong skills use Qi itself to penetrate an opponent's body and disrupt natural energy flow and/or cause internal organ damage." (i probably think it's more serious than it really is, right?)

pps. and psylearner, don't say i'm psychotic or whatever, just because this post is mostly about hurting others...
i have never started a fight. ;)

(does this make any sense at all? no, i'm not drunk, i think... ;) )

How many people you've ever seen using psychic power to hurts people just for fun? So... it means teachers know --no matter how-- that student wise enough when he gave them the power.

And for your note, psychic teacher (or someone else with higher power) can take away or at least neutralize student's power. Just like broke arm and leg bones in regular martial arts, so they can't fight anymore.

There are also there is big difference in psychic training and regular martial arts training. You can have enough power if you calm enough. Meditating will work in it. It's all about mind control. If you can't control your negative emotion, you won't be able to control the power and easily defeated. I don't know why, perhaps there is some connection with alpha waves in the brain.

ismu what i mean by out of this world was, IT HURT LIKE HELL;)

Blastoff, what technique did he use?

Was it a punch whit Ki energy or a hard telekinetic push?

I think it using a kin of Ki power, just like what we learnt in Satria Nusantara and Merpati Putih. It's looks like that there is Ki power (we called it tenaga dalam) in most advanced martial arts from oriental countries. Telekinetic basically use same form of "energy" (unidentified by physics, yet).

PSY-LEARNER/ it was a push like a move from kata, he was standing about ten feet away, he moved and i feel on my ass (HARD)

Well looky here...

We have someone on the other side of a psychic event...

He that does not claim to be psychic or did use psychic powers.
He that does claim in a way that it exist and experienced it.

Finally someone who can make somewhat of a difference...
A link between the skeptics and the psychics...
ismu is one of those links too, but not taken seriously by all...

Greetz...

Psychic powers are real and they are not somthing you should play with! You have no idea what you are getting into!!!

I have used these powers, and I have seen them in use, and I have seen what can happen. You may be allowing all sorts of unholy influences into your life when you use them!!!!!

For it is written in the Bible that the Adversary prowls about like a roaring lion, seeking to devour!!!

Be careful when you use these powers, but do not believe the so-called 'skeptics' who say that these powers do not exist! I have seen them used for good and bad!

God Bless and Keep
Scott

I agree with Mulder here. I told it many times. Be carefull and be kind using it.

btw, Welcome to scifrums FoxMulder ;)

Well, I know what I'm playing whit *gladly* and I know how to develope and use it, even whitout supervision...

A little group wants to develop it...
I hope I can jump in and teach them whit supervision, I know they need it a bit...
ESPECIALLY 1 of them, who is sceptical *somewhat less now* about telekinesis but DID have eighter and OBE or A/P or NDE like experience...

It sounded to me like OBE, like they do have in deadly exidents...
And a NDE is from what I know/heard something else...

Don't worry about me, I'm *always to smart for most things to mess up*, but they always notice it afterwards...

Greetz...

Thank you for the welcomes, this forum is really interesting! I hope I can continue to share the things I have learned here!

Psy-Learner:

"ESPECIALLY 1 of them, who is sceptical *somewhat less now* about telekinesis but DID have eighter and OBE or A/P or NDE like experience..."

Ever wonder why the so-called "skeptics" claim to be skeptical?

Uhh, he *one single independent entity* is one of my best friends...

I think he is scared of telekinesis, or just disbelieving...
I did tell him I did sucseed, and he doesn't know anything about the powers yet...

Just one of the logic analogies I've heard...
That fear is a reaction of looking into the unknown...

---Well, the rest of the *die-hard* skeptics, they just want extraordinary proof and use their over-inflated ego's to get it sovled by things they don't believe in...
And of course, want some attention, and make more persone disbelieve...

---High Skeptics are strongly saying it doesn't exist until proven before their eyes.

---Normal skeptics are just saying yes or no, whit an unsurity...

---Trying skeptics *SeekerOfTruth I geus* are trying it, but whitout a good believe, at least they are open for it...

---And then the last but not least skeptic, scared skeptics...
They will eighter not confirm their believe even if you give your word you can use psychic powers, denying the ability of it's existance by religion/believes or because they are scared of it...

Just my own theory of possible skeptics that there are...

Greetz, and I forgot to welcome you, sorry...
To make it up:
Welcome to sciforums FoxMulder and hope you'd enjoy the forums here... :)

Psy-Learner:
"I think he is scared of telekinesis, or just disbelieving...
I did tell him I did sucseed, and he doesn't know anything about the powers yet..."

At least he is not closed-minded like most so-called 'skeptics'!

"Well, the rest of the *die-hard* skeptics, they just want extraordinary proof and use their over- inflated ego's to get it sovled by things they don't believe in...
And of course, want some attention, and make more persone disbelieve..."

Yes, they are very egotistical! But it goes deeper than that. I will have to post more on why they are 'skeptical' later, I must go now!

But what I say might sound 'odd'. I hope you are all open-minded enough to hear me out!

ISMU/ lost temper last week i was trying psychic movement, did not do it so i lost my temper and broke a six inch plank with a kick, got ten flips, and a hundred push ups, my master says i got off easy ill get it in the end.:)

Blastoff: Well that's weird to read it like that...

From what I understand, uhhh...

You just got mad because psycho kinesis *latin for mind movement* didn't work.
You had to kick 6" planks, made ten flips and 100 push-ups, as punnishment by your master for getting mad about it.

Right?

FoxMulder *the important part of the post :D*:

Please tell why the so-called skeptics are like that...
I think that you are refering, like stryderunknow *I think* in the thread Psychokinesis in Pseudoscience *pfffff, a mouth full* that most are debunkem agents *or something*...

I only heard that once, he was picking back on Mayor sceptic Mr.G
Well, I don't know but now I think Mr.G-zus's pain in the ass was a debunkem *or something*.

Note that a debunkem agent *or something* is an agent to wrecklessly deny the existance to keep the society cool-headed or something.

Am I right?

If you have more information about eigther why the die-hard sceptics are like that, or about those *or something* agents, please post it...

It would be usefull :D

Please see my "Skeptics" thread.

Originally posted by BLASTOFF
ISMU lost temper last week i was trying psychic movement, did not do it so i lost my temper and broke a six inch plank with a kick, got ten flips, and a hundred push ups, my master says i got off easy ill get it in the end. :)

Sorry for late to respond.
:) Yup. you got to control your emotion. Meditation is good way to do it. You're lucky your master didn't take back your psychic ability. You have to be wise if you got great power in your hand, or it will turns back to yourself some other time. Your push-up is a way your master says that. ;)

Just like the Karma thing...

Karma, from what I understand, is that you get the luck you make...

For instance, a fast analogy:
When you have a garden, you plant seeds...
These could be eighter lovely smelling flouwers or stinking flowers...
So if you want to sell or give those flowers, you'll get the same pay back...

Give a lovely smeller, and you'll get good things back...
Give a horrible stinker, and you'll suffer the stench itself...

You reek what you have sown...

So just use it for good, because if ya kick someone in the bottom, the most likely try their best to do the same, and mostly exceed...

O, and tip, I always said...

Try to relax your mind till you have no thought.
Keep your head cool and let it go by itself...
Don't force it to stop, you'll get there whitout forcing...
Just believe *as you do*...
And just be playfull about it, so you won't frustrate by taking it to serious...

Sucses...

ismu/ and psy-learner/ my last two lessons my master had me sat in meditation and my lessons last an hour and a half each/ but it has taught me not to lose my temper, it was just a lose of control

ismu/psy-learner i moved a flat piece of cadr last week end, i did not beleave it but my master saw it as well, and i was not even trying, there was only him and myself in the room, no doors open or windows ,no draughts just us. it felt strange to be able to move the card with out touching it but it felt good aswell.

Congratulations Blastoff

Did you repeat the event like it did?
Or was it a lucky day?
I seem to have my lucky days, every first week of a new month...

5th may I got great sucses for one day :)
And the month before I tried and had luck that it did work...

But this month, today, I started in the morning and it went great again, big results, but not during the other time...

Well, I have to eat now, because I drained my energy...
And maybe a quick nap...

Along whit a question for ismu...
Do you know a technique to keep your stamana while in normal state?
I know about power ups, and that it boosts stamana, but I can't do that yet :(

Well, thanx for the answer if any :)
And Sucses Blastoff

psy-learner did repeat but nothing, but this morning, after meditating, i tryed again, and three times straight of the bloody table all in a row one after another, must be a lucky day.

Well Blastoff, nice to hear that...
I'm try meditating again, I almonst never meditated...
Hope that it would release some powers along the way though...
Just meditate every day for half an hour to an hour...
That should probably help, a lot...

Greetz...

So, welcome back to the course of TK and Psychic powers, and of course energy manipulation...

Did you by any chance gave up on Telekinesis?
Did you do one of the simpellest to learn TK practices?

-*Like, stuck on the Psi-wheel tech?*-

So you gave up after months of training whit that technique and still no full controll over it...
And admit it, you probably gave up because of that...

Well, why quit while you where half way there?
You did it in te first place to control somewhat over it, so train in different ways...

*I found these words and are setting them here only to help, and I'll stick to it myself...*

Start again if you gave up, and try something a level up...
From the psi-wheel, try to step up to a pencil, and try to roll it across a sstraight surface...

So maybe it won't work the first time.
Maybe it does if you're lucky *like I was whit the Psi-wheel*
So just expect to have somewhat time to accomplish that...

Even like it doesn't do anything while you try, just keep on doing that like whit your lower level tech...
When you are able to do that technique for a bit, go back to the psi-wheel, but stick to the pencil all the time first...

Now when you get back to the psi-wheel, you probably get more control over that...
That's the thing you have to do, always be a level further then you can do...
If you did like it is discribed here, do as your next task to slide the pencil instead of rolling it...

Now if I do get info on another way to improve your tk skill, I'll post it again here ;)

And do message more, the more we share, the better we can get to a higher level.
Just do the right thing whit it...

Greetz

Alright, still feeling a little bit helpless whit it?
Maybe it's a help to add this to it...

Try to do a hard technique, knocking over a cup or glass, or even the Dancing Flame technique...

Like first, dedicate to these techniques...
Practice it for *even* months...
Go for the goal of practice, not specially for the sucseeding...

Now, after all that practicing, try an easier one, like the Psi-wheel for one, or rolling/sliding a pencil...
When it works better, you'll know that you are making progress...
And always go back at this harder technique to ascend to a higher level of TK...

When you reached a higher level, continue only this one whit the goal of good practice, and to sucseed...
When you do Sucseed, you'll probably get going good, and TK will be easier then at the first most time :)

Then You have to do it yourself, by choosing a harder challange to get to higher levels, and always practice it...
Just don't give up, and try to stick to it as much as possible...

Hope you will Sucseed ;)

Did you by any chance gave up on Telekinesis?
Did you do one of the simpellest to learn TK practices?

Perhaps, due in part that TK requires powerful mind control to manipulate energy according to TK proponents, those that developed or already possessed such power realized TK is pure baloney.

So you gave up after months of training whit that technique and still no full controll over it...
And admit it, you probably gave up because of that...

There are but few things in the real world which after months of training cannot be mastered to a certain degree. If after months of training at TK, one should be able, at the very least, make a pencil "quiver." Of course, one with a weak mind would certainly not have the discipline to train for months at TK or anything else for that matter. If a strong mind be, one would certainly not waste months attempting to move a pencil but would instead invest their time in more productive ventures.

Just don't give up, and try to stick to it as much as possible...

Hope you will Sucseed

I'm somewhat at a loss to understand why one should waste their time, and what appears to be a lot of time, trying to make a pencil roll across a table. What ultimate purpose will this serve ? What gain is there to be had ?

And for that matter, if you could actually achieve this goal, would you use this new found power for good or evil ? Will you be touring the theaters and concert halls of the world showing off your pencil rolling abilities to the masses ? Perhaps the networks will provide you with your own TV show ? Hollywood make a movie ? A knighthood ? World domination ?

Please enlighten us as to the future of pencil motion.

Well, I would use it for good, not showing it off, and not just a cheap trick for only fetshing a pencil when I need to.
It's only a way to measure your powers.

I feel like I'd need it some time, dunno why presicely, but I do...
And it's the persons own choise if he/she sees it as a waste of time or not.

I'd rather waste my time on this whit the feeling I would need it some day then searching for the meaning of life, what would take at least *what least? Just* A LOT of ages, and present the world something they maybe care for a day or 2...

Now THAT's a waste of time, isn't it?
Searching for years like a lot, find the meaning, care for it 2 days and losing interest for that challange...

Well, it's your choise :)

It's only a way to measure your powers.

Someone with a strong mind need not measure their powers by rolling a pencil across a desk. The mind was never meant for such use and in fact, can not be used for that purpose. The "power" of the mind is synaptic interaction internal to the brain and is limited to the contents of your skull. Thus one would measure their powers by the use of this interaction.

I feel like I'd need it some time, dunno why presicely, but I do...

If all you have is a gut feeling with no set of short or long term goals, then perhaps you should ask yourself what this gut feeling is really trying to tell you. It may in fact be telling you not to waste your time with this nonsense. Your own sense of self reasoning is trying to overcome your delusion. That is a very good sign and should not be taken lightly.

And it's the persons own choise if he/she sees it as a waste of time or not.

Quite true. However, when other people see someone wasting their time, in any way, they are concerned for that persons well being and sometimes wish to reach out in order to help that person become more productive. If one has the opportunities to lead a productive life and they choose to throw it away on meaningless nonsense, they become a burden for the rest of society. You would be surprised to know that those that have not the opportunities to lead productive lives, for example those in third world nations, are more infuriated than most. They find it hard to believe that people living in rich, free nations would waste their lives in such a way.

I'd rather waste my time on this whit the feeling I would need it some day then searching for the meaning of life, what would take at least *what least? Just* A LOT of ages, and present the world something they maybe care for a day or 2...

First of all, the meaning of life is to live, pure and simple. You need not search any further. And secondly, why waste your time at all. Life is short. You'll be dead and gone in the blink of an eye, so to speak.

Now THAT's a waste of time, isn't it?
Searching for years like a lot, find the meaning, care for it 2 days and losing interest for that challange...

If what you're trying to say is that spending a lifetime searching for the meaning of life is a waste of time, I'd have to agree with you. But that's no reason to spend your time searching other fruitless avenues.

Well, it's your choise

Again, I agree, it's my choice. It is also my choice to attempt in helping you see the folly of this nonsense. You may also make the choice in listening to reason or not. I would be saddened to know you will continue to spend your time trying to make pencils roll across tables. It is simple human nature for us not to sit idle and watch the days roll by, or in this case, pencils. ;)

Well you solved the reason of live quickly, and I agree, just live it :)

But the scieentists of today don't understand that...
And I don't see what is so fruitless about training TK...
I'm not only after TK, but training the whole mind and body...

The reason of life it to live, the reason of approcriation is evolution...

Our bodies aren't menth for the purpose of sitting on a chair all day trying to make your eyez squared only for the enjoyment.
It'll wreck our species even if it will be like that.

You can eighter try to have fun in life wasting time to evolve our species or you could eighter rot away everything of your possibilities whitout wasting time, and still have fun.

What don't you see as a waste of time?
School is, work is, computers are...
The only thing that it is not is the thing you have fun whit and trying to evolve, perfection of either yourself or your offspring,. and even both if possible :)

And I don't see what is so fruitless about training TK...
I'm not only after TK, but training the whole mind and body...

Training for what ? You admitted yourself you have no idea what you're training for and why you're doing it and all you can attest to is a "feeling.". You therefore have no purpose in life whatsoever other than to waste time staring at pencils. I submit you are misinterpreting your "feelings" and that your mind and body are telling you so.

Our bodies aren't menth for the purpose of sitting on a chair all day trying to make your eyez squared only for the enjoyment.

Agreed, then why are you doing just that ?

You can eighter try to have fun in life wasting time to evolve our species or you could eighter rot away everything of your possibilities whitout wasting time, and still have fun.

A waste of your time is simply a waste of your time, no hidden meanings. You are deluding yourself into thinking you are evolving the species by sitting around all day doing nothing. Wasting time is NOT fun. You will quickly understand that when there is little time left in your life.



Now you're contradiction yourself. Do you not go to school to gain knowledge? Do you not work or are you financially independent ? Do you use a computer ? If you answered no to any of these questions, you are in contradiction.

Someone who is able to use these opportunities but instead throws them aside is a disgrace to those who have not the opportunities you so easily balk. If all you want to do is sit around all day staring at pencils, please exchange your life and all it could provide with someone from a third world nation who will obviously exploit and appreciate those opportunities you discard. They would give anything to go to school, to work or to use a computer.

[i]The only thing that it is not is the thing you have fun whit and trying to evolve, perfection of either yourself or your offspring,. and even both if possible

Nonsense. You will perfect little more than the art of growing carbuncles. ;)

You admitted yourself you have no idea what you're training for and why you're doing it

Uhhh, where, when, how?
I only pointed out 1 of the things, that it was a strong feeling that doesn't tell me stop, but driving me to do that.

Sure, I work, no, just skipped 1 year of school, because I want to have a fall-back for things that could happen when I go further whit education.
Yes, I do use a computer.

But what kind of knowledge do we need?
Sience?
Technology?

wait...
I feel I am missing one that is missed out for at least 97% of the time.
what could it be ;)

ow, by the way, since when are pencils squared?
I only heard you zould get squared eyes from something emitting radiation and are SQUARED.

uhh, what radiates and has a square shape?
Well, you probably know ;)

but you do have to know there are also otther ways to develop our knowledge...
And that we, *a so called far developed species* are in our infency whit our *knowlegde*

Something tells me we don't know squat yet...
ow, there is that feeling again that deludes me.

Aw, what the heck, just consider this message a deluded piece of time wasting and non-sence

Sorry to say it, but we are getting of track by wasting our time cramming the thread full of subject NOT menth for this forum, so what ever you are gonna send, I will not reply to it, I'm staying on the threads meaning of existence...

Cyaz

sorry for jumping in so late, i have read the whole forum, i have a few questions, i want to work on the development of my psychic skills, but where do i start? should i find someone to teach or guide me? where do i find such help?

Hi, welcome to this thread *and sci-forums*...

Sorry for my late reply, but I'll answer your questions...

I learned that you actually have to start at basic energy training, or some simple things that aren't THAT exiting...

A teacher would be fine to develope your skills whit.
If there are some centers near you that teach a form of yoga, like rei-ki for instance, you could ask for advise on finding a teacher...

I already know why Ki and Chi are use very much in yoga and martial-arts training, but I'll get in to that later for you if you want...

Here are 3 links that I mostly advise:
http://www.psipog.net/activepsy
http://www.spiritonline.com
http://undergrounddragon.tripod.com

The first link is one of the most famous and best site's around, but the server selled it's domain, so PsiPog adopted that section :)

PsiPog is one of the great ones too so take a look at it too ;)

But stick whit the first link, and do read all the things on how to start and then go to the basics, then if you train seriously, you'll probably do fine...

Well, hope to get a message back, greetings...

thanks for the links psy learner, im going to start with the basic energy training right away. im really excited bout finally finding help with this subject. Ill let ya know bout my progress

psy-learner i have been practicing for a while now with my martial art teacher, as you know he droped me with his power, i have moved a few glasses and bottles with ease will be trying bigger things later on in my training.

i just started with the basic skills, grounding, centering, and making psi balls. Since i have started my forehead, where my third eye would be, feels like it is throbbing and twiching all the time. Seemingly for no reason. Is this normal?

Well, that's impressive BLASTOFF, you're learning it fast, no doubt about it :D

about the third-eye case, I geard more about that, I think it is natural for some people to feel that...

maybe you could try some third-eye techniques, you could probably be skilled in that area...
But if you do other things, try to combine things whit tyour third eye, or do as you did before...
*If you ignored it, ignore it, if you used it, use it :)*

Well, good luck whit your trainings :)

ismu and psy-learner i m still practicing my master blind folded me last week and then he tossed a stone at me it hit me twice but he told me to see through the blind fold and to try to see the stone, i did and i caught it five times in a row, i feel different in my self my life seems better and it is passing over my family, the whole family seems happier, my master says i am getting a strong physic ability,

Hi Blastoff, sorry for the late reply...

It seems your abilities are growing far more faster then mine...
The only advise I could give at the moment is to practice it a few times a week...
And whit this training, you probably could sence your family and friends their emotions.
And of course share yours esier whit them...

It seems like the real empathy ability...
Ask your master if you could train more on that, it could come in handy for restoring someone's happyness...

Well, Good luck on your training, it appears you're doing great. :)

Hi,
anyone (banshee, others)
practiced in the 'powers'
maybe you could read my comment on the other
telepathy/teleportation thread.....
I don't know where to go next.
I mean, I have no telekinesis practice yet and
my telepathy is shotty, at best, but it is there
and seems to want to 'practice'
but I'm not sure what to do next.....
I like to do good and witness harmony!
I also like to be funny.
I am insatiably mischevious and try not
to let that get too far.

love susan

psy-learner/ i practice every night for about two maybe three hours, and at week ends i spend a lot more time with my master, as much as i can, my wife comes with me so there is no trouble there, she loves medatating, and is getting good, my children have there own lives, but come some times to see us, but i spend a lot of time on my own when i am on the farm, i like it that way, i am getting better but have a long long long way to go, this i have been told, i have also been told not to get big headed,

I was talking to a Shaolin master the other day. He had me count 123123123 and then waved his hand across my face. It was pretty neat I felt a shock move through my head and lost my concentration. We started laughing. He said "its a good trick to use on your girlfriend". :D

BLASTOFF lucky guy my girlfriend isn't so understanding. I will complain that I have barley trained and she will say "Ah you train to much anyways..spend more time with me". That Shaolin trick could come in handy hmmmmm....... ;)

Speaking of which i should go train now.

Hehehe i figured out how to do that shockwave thing... Although i havent managed to do it without some sort of physical contact.... Me and my girlfriend can do this, makes kissing even better.(wink)

Well blastoff, no wonder that you are growing fast whit your skills, you are more dedicated to it then I am...

And that shockwave thing, I did it this afternoonat my cat...
She's a wild one running around and all...
I tried it carefully, and she was all tamed up, she even directly came to me, wanting to be cuddled or something :)

Dunno if the effect had to be like that, but it seems a bit logic to me...

Cultivating male sexual energy by Mantak Chia. Has some very nice techniques along those lines its worth a look...Trust me

Hey Blastoff what style do you do?

I can see the last post was made a long time ago. If any of you are still out there I am very interested in learning from the beginning how to use my psychic powers. I have been doing some research on the net and have gotten only a short way from the start.

I would like to know where and how i can start.
I would also like to know if anyone knows a "master" or a "guide" in Belgium/Brussels.

Thank you

I'm still alive :)

I was waiting for replies from others on the forum, but now you come along and could help starting the thread going again...

First off, I wouldn't know a guide or teacher near you...
Second of all, what did you accomplish in your short way...

And third and all of all, to start off...
1. Read a bit through this thread.
2. Read the Termoniligy on this thread http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=16920

3. Try to choose a goal you are really interested in...

I will copy the therminoligy to this thread in a twhile, and I will try to give some more techniques...

0. I am glad you are there

1. I read the entire thread yesterday, but couldnt post cause my computer crashed (works bad)

2. Just read that thread... interesting, however there is a big difference between being observant and intelligent compared to psychic powers.
Your terminology explanation was helpful, but mostly known to me from here and there.

3. I don't know exactly the goal, but i do have a vision. I know that such things as meditation, auras, telepathy are a must to learn if one is looking to go further, but i strongly believe that these are just beginner techniques compared to what can really be done.

to your question as to what i have done so far:
1) research on the net
2) read a lesson on reaching the alpha state, but have not tried it yet (recieved it today)
3) Tried to do what you had suggested a couple pages back. I placed a long needle and on top i put a 1cm x 1 cm paper. Small hole in the middle so it could be set. Tried moving it myself to see if it moves easily. Then as you suggested i tried breathing 2s inhale 1s break 4s exhale 1s break and focus on the corner of the paper. After 5-6 minutes I was not able to affect it, however when i slowly reached my finger to the paper to drop it it droped when my finger was about an inch away. Now, i am not sure why, it could have been a little wind from my hand movemement. I couldnt repeat that again.

And now i am here.

Allright, I didn't know what to reply when I readed it at first.
As you have no goal in mind yet, I'll advise the real basics.

Try to meditate for 15 minutes, make your clothes looser and sit in a comfortable chair.
*Something like a barkalounger, big leather seat you could lay in...*

If you rather are comfortabler with tighter clothes, make it tighter or change in something tigther.
Make yourself comfortable, but at least sit the first few times whit meditating so you have a decreased chanse of falling asleep.

Relax your mind and muscles, and visualize things that would relax you, like a certain place, a beach or woods...
This can be fictional or a real place.


Either if you skipped meditation or just done that, try gathering energy.

This can be done in several ways.

Breathing:
Every time you inhale try to gather the energy and let it flow into your body.
Everytime you exhale let the energy flow more through your body.

There is no need to pause in between, you could breath 3 seconds in and 6 seconds out, or 4 second deep inhale, and 10 seconds slow exhale...

Try to breath in a way that is comfortable whit you...
And at least 10 breaths.
This could help a lot whit a few days/weeks.

Grounding:
Drawing energy is sometimes said as grounding, but Grounding could be used in another way too...
We would go for drawing energy...

Try to make a link between you and the earth whit your energy.
When you feel a link, try to let the energy flow through the link into your body...
Keep absorbing energy until you feel you have enough, then let the energy just flow naturally through your body, and disconnect the link.

Drawing energy:
This is similar to grounding, but you could choose the source...
Examples are light, the sun, the ground, water, earth *just like grounding*, the air *like breathing*, or some other form.

Just do the same as grounding, and as you wanna use energy, you could use it directly whit this technique.


Now, try to make a psi-ball:

Cup your hands as-if you where holding a foot-ball or something 2 times bigger then a tennis-ball...
Now when you do that, let the energy flow up through your arms toward your hands.
Now let the energy go through your hands forming into a ball...

do this for about 5/10 minutes and you should have made a psi-ball...

Don't be alarmed if you don't see or feel the psi-ball, 99% of the time a psi-ball is invisible when created for the first time.
It is probably possible to make it visible, but I wouldn't bother that right now.

If you've developed more skill through meditation or this training, you could start to sence and probably see the psi-ball a little bit later on...


When you accomplished all this and trained this for a few week, you could notice that it'll get easier whit progress and probably that your stamana and awareness will increase too.

The key to use energy is visualization.
your sub-consious is sensitive to visualization and will stimulate the events whit it.

I'd rather say visualization rather then imagination, because of (Q)'s comments on that...
However, try to use your sences to notice the appearence of the psi-ball
Visualizing the appearence could confuse you whit your true abilities.
You could use visualization to increase your sensitivity of sences, but don't visualize the appearence while practicing these techniques...

*I included these things so (Q) or Mr.G haven't got evidence for me explaining it wrongly, and trying to learn others false things...*
Try to read it word for word, and if you understand it all, then you should apply it...

just telling... the paper could've felt down because of static energy, going from your finger towards the paper or sumthing...

not saying it couldn't have been psychic ofcourse, cuz I do know sum things that work, like holding a lil chain in your hand with sumthing heavy hanging on it (just dunno neckless or sum) anywayz... try to imagine it circling round and round while holding your arm kind of in an easy comfi way while holding the chain...
when u cincentrate real hard u'll notice that it indeed starts swirling round the way u want it too...
and I can also explain why, this is just bcuz u give ur subcounscious the impulse of wanting that thing to moce, so u kind of hypnotize yourself while concentrating on the movement it should make and your two fingers holding the chain will start moving in such a minimum way u probably don't even notice it (or anyone else if u want to use this one as a trick or a proof to hypnotising people)
anywayz, thats sumthing not errrm quite psychic I guess...
still, I had sum weird experiences with sum girl, bout like, having sex while not touching each other ... eheh (nah seriously, izz all bout energy)
and had sum weird flashes of whtvr containing whole series of views I saw later on after the "dreams" in the exact same chronological way... ofcourse the mind keeps calculating every lil change that COULD happen in life and perhaps that was just one of the possibilities already in my head... still, its kinda scary, cuz it also means that our mind has so many more potential than we already use....

and now I cut my crap nd stop boring u all ;)
and

hey again,
thanks for the reply.

could you please be a bit more specific on how to make the connection with earth or any other object and how to draw the energy.

I do try to meditate, but i just started and the max i can get to is to get a "spinning head" sensation. I haven't felt gathering energy through my deep breaths though.

-=#h@@rdkoor#=-, interesting point. Yes it could have been static, but i guess you never know until you are able to repeat the experiement all the time. On the other note how did you start if i may ask having sex without touching. Were there some techniques or you guys just experimented with energy?

(and they all ask bout the sex thing, lol)
ah well, we weren't planning on doing so, it just kinda happened, bodies closer together, feeling the tension and all of a sudden we just laid there, eyes closed, just feeling each other without any physical contact... after a while we just got used to it and with sum way or another the energy just kept coming (even during physical "it") and I guess it has to do sum with the Ki energy for its kinda where it all came from, underneath the belly, (no not that part entirely,lol)
either way... it was good, hehe.
and, well, there are still yet so many things that aren't proven yet, but that doesnt mean it can't be, u have to be open to all these things ofcourse, bcuz, if we now already knew all about nature and the world and universe, well, then its kind of a pity since we cant cure this disease or that disease witgh normal scientific stuff, while sumtimes lil "miracles" (as people tend to call them) happen thx to believe in the parapsychology, believe in shamans (i.e. peyote, mushrooms, just plain tripping and putting the bad vibes outside letting good ones in)
but as I said, science isn't studying all that for it's controversial... and when they do, they just use tha rmy, experiment on them and see what they can be good for in war while on drugs...
sigh, either way, keep this thread alive or sumthing for it's interesting and, meditation is sumthing u should learn and practice, the more u do it, the more u'll understand, and it isn't to get u stoned or anyting, it's to relax your mind and body and hopefully your soul (dont start bout, hey I have no soul, cuz soul is but a word, interprete it the way u want ;)
and makes u have a comfi feeling before u go asleep, or just before u go to sum training thing, whtvr....

Well, like making the psi-ball, you don't nesseseraly have to feel the energy the first time you use it.

Just use your energy to make the connection.
Whit grounding, just let it flow through your legs and make a connection through your feet, as-if you are sprouting roots tike a tree...

Whit drawing energy, just let the energy link to the source, as-if it was a garden- or feulling-hose...

It is mostly said that Ki energy is gathered about 2 inches underneath your navel.
Try to feel at that spot and drawe energy from there if you want to use it.

I still wanna be carefull whit what I say, so sotrry if it still isn't all that clear.

Just go to http://www.psipog.net/activepsy and there it'll be explained better probably.

But remember that visualization is a tool for accomplishing psychic abilities.

thx a lot.
that site was very interesting.

there is something i want to ask though.

I am not sure how to absorb energy and especially how to ground. I am not even sure if "gounding" makes sense in an apartment. I live ina town and there is no calm place i can find to make a direct contact with earth if that is what it meant.

i do get various sensations during meditation and energy focus. Some slight tingling, muscles contracting and head spinning kind of a feeling.

I haven't ben able to make a psychic kind of a discovery yet, but i am not giving up.

I did notice that sounds became very loud during meditation. For example when i was meditating my phone rang and it scared the <beep> out of me it seemed so loud.

with grounding and all it just kind of means u get the energy like from sumthing that isnt yours, like when getting energy from earth, doesnt mean u have to be directly in the dirt or sum, the floor is in coonection with the earth so, it just flows through it all... I guess...
except when ur like flying or sum :)

hehe, lots of something and whatever there :)

Anyways, still trying, still nothing, not giving up.