30 million more join the European party

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/01/01/weu01.xml

By Alex Sillius. At midnight last night Romania and Bulgaria became the newest nations of the European Union, bringing with them some 30 million people from one of the poorest corners of the continent.

Wait until Turkey comes in. whether you like it or not.

Way to fuck over Europe, EU idiots!

Let's just pray those damn Turks don't get in.

This is awesome.

Europe from the Atlantic to the Urals!

Americans brag that many people want to become a citizen of the USA.

Europe can claim that whole nations want to become part of Europe.

That's just incontinence. The American Union will bury you!
: pounding shoe on keyboard:

http://piparmetra.net/ftp/EU.jpg

27 countries and half a billion people.
These will sure be interesting years to come, let's hope we can keep this together.

Wait until Turkey comes in. whether you like it or not.


Yes , one day Turkey just might enter .... but please remember , EU is a club ,
where members both HAVE to be democratic AND actively support the ideas of democracy !!!

To bee secular like Turkey , is NOT enough .... :p

Also , for some reason , many countries in EU , think the membership countries , should be European !!!

Only a SMALL part of Turkey is European ......
And accepting all of Turkey as a member - might open up to one other country , which seeks membership of EU : Israel !!!!:m:

Yes , one day Turkey just might enter .... but please remember , EU is a club ,
where members both HAVE to be democratic AND actively support the ideas of democracy !!!

To bee secular like Turkey , is NOT enough .... :p

Also , for some reason , many countries in EU , think the membership countries , should be European !!!

Only a SMALL part of Turkey is European ......
And accepting all of Turkey as a member - might open up to one other country , which seeks membership of EU : Israel !!!!:m:


In a few years the US will join the EU. ;)

In a few years the US will join the EU. ;)

There are two countries remaining
(apart fom the usual eastern countries including Ukraine) - that the EU still wants to join into EU :
Russia - part of Europe - and having a strong economy now - a membership of EU would be to IMMENSE benefit for both parties ..... and also result in stability both economically and millitary worldwide ..........

The other - only a dream - is USA , still widely populated by people originally originating from Europe - still beeing one of our main allies in economy and
security matters .........

One day we hope to make an integrated western part of the world - functioning as one region - integrated economy and millitary - having one currency : the international trade dollar !!!:m:

Also called : The World Dollar !!

Regional superblocs seem to be the way to go.

Next up: Albania ... I mean, Elbonia...

http://www.the-bordello.com/elbonia2.gif

The USA can not join EU, and, if it joins, many others, like Germany, will have to withdraw as required by their constitution which says that Germany can be a part of the EU only if it values social rights.
The EU is not only an economic union, but also and mostly a political, and social rights are an integral part of it.
The USA can join EU only if it becomes socialist. Besides most people here don't like neither the Americans or the American way of doing things, particulary running a country.

Russia is too asiatic and too authoritarian, Turkey is too uneuropean in its values.
If Turkey joins, it will be the end of EU too.

The USA can not join EU, and, if it joins, many others, like Germany, will have to withdraw as required by their constitution which says that Germany can be a part of the EU only if it values social rights.
The EU is not only an economic union, but also and mostly a political, and social rights are an integral part of it.
The USA can join EU only if it becomes socialist. Besides most people here don't like neither the Americans or the American way of doing things, particulary running a country.

Russia is too asiatic and too authoritarian, Turkey is too uneuropean in its values.
If Turkey joins, it will be the end of EU too.

I understand your feelings ....
However , one day you will be surprised ...!!!! :m:

Not likely. Disappointed - maybe.
What do you suggest?

Not likely. Disappointed - maybe.
What do you suggest?


Relax - Turkeys chance of beeing a member is still hanging in a thin thread - it is a possibility though ....
Russia is xenophobic , beeing afraid of Nato and EU ...
And for some reason,USA think they are the center of the universe , and for some reason they don´t even think of joining as beeing even a possibility .....:m:

In politics there is nothing impossible.
I don't think that Russians are afraid of any external phenomena.
The USA is just another civilisation.

I don't think that Russians are afraid of any external phenomena.


Perhaps not - but from old, Russians leaders have difficulties accepting to join foreign countries, in a process where Russia might have to change politics as a demand from EU - they somehow feel , they loose face ....

For many years , they only accepted to join the Warsaw-pact (after creating it themself ) ....

Recently, they are in the proces of joining WTO - but WTO. is not so demanding of Russia as EU would be ....

For Russia to join EU would take courage ... for USA to join would demand a
change of the US way of thinking - (almost a miracle ...) :m:

Is a larger EU good or bad for the US? Or indifferent.

A weaker EU is better for the US. Will the enlargement make EU weaker in the long term I don't know.

"Is a larger EU good or bad for the US? Or indifferent."

An international currency alternative to the US Dollar is dangerous to the US economy. Another credentialed cook in the international kitchen during the sunset of the Petroleum Age reduces the US advantage.

So much for the New American Century. You bastards.

A weaker EU is better for the US. Will the enlargement make EU weaker in the long term I don't know.

Destroyer , your question is typically american .... :p

It depends on which countries join in - EU now have certain economic criterias for new membershipcountries joining EU ........
Those countries joining now ,still have weaker economies than most of the countries allready in the EU ... which means that EU for a while might be weakened ....
However , for some countries in EU , any joining might be great - the economy of Denmark is now the strongest of Europe and believed to be in the top 5 of the world - for almost 7 months , danish companies have had to turn down orders , because they can´t get more people to work for them - right now we are importing educated workers from the rest of EU ...

It is a REAL problem to get qualified workers here in Denmark ----
the economy is simply too good here ..... !!!

And here I sit an american in Norway with the EUs' border just 22 km away an outsider:mad: The Norweigans are too rich and afraid to join.

Hi, the UK here. We think it's great. Hands off the pound though. And our sausages.

And our sausages.

Don´t worry - nobody want to touch your bangers ........:p

Hi, the UK here. We think it's great. Hands off the pound though. And our sausages.


Sausages is something I miss from the states I could really do with some good fatty english sausages up here.

Sausages is something I miss from the states I could really do with some good fatty english sausages up here.

We have got all kind of bangers - as well as low fat sausages - here in DK -
they are good for a meal - but to eat them everyday ..... yeow ......

I think your biggest problem , being in Norway , might be the prices -
Norway is sooooo expensive .... I mean , how much is a beer or a drink at a restaurant ???

They have pølser but they are sooo boring I am thinking mostly of american breakfast sausages and yes it is only a one time a week kind of food. A beer or drink out on the town costs about $10. We vacationed in Denmark last summer (first time for me) and absolutely loved it the attitude seems so much more laid back and european. Det er dejlig å være norsk i Danmark;)

Wait until Turkey comes in. whether you like it or not.

I bet even in Turkey it has opposition.

And here I sit an american in Norway with the EUs' border just 22 km away an outsider:mad: The Norweigans are too rich and afraid to join.They have too much to lose.

So long as Europe remains Unislamicized, the US is not threatened by her.

Let's just hope that Jihadis don't seduce you into burqas in a decade.

The USA can not join EU, and, if it joins, many others, like Germany, will have to withdraw as required by their constitution which says that Germany can be a part of the EU only if it values social rights.
The EU is not only an economic union, but also and mostly a political, and social rights are an integral part of it.
The USA can join EU only if it becomes socialist. Besides most people here don't like neither the Americans or the American way of doing things, particulary running a country.

Russia is too asiatic and too authoritarian, Turkey is too uneuropean in its values.
If Turkey joins, it will be the end of EU too.
Read
http://www.independentcommissiononturkey.org
Includes your bias, oh argument too.

I don't need to read, I know any way.

I don't need to read, I know any way.

You obviously don't. And your resistance to even BOTHERING to read, makes you a bigot.

Like I care.

Yes, no need to care. You know better than

Former President of Finland
Former Prime Minister of Saxony, Germany
Former European Commissioner, Member of the European Parliament
Former Foreign Minister of Netherlands, former European Commissioner
Former Foreign Minister of Poland, Member of the European Parliament
Former Director of the London School of Economics and Political Science
Former Foreign Minister of Spain, former Secretary General of the Council of Europe, former European Commissioner
Former Prime Minister of France, Member of the European Parliament
Former Secretary General of Foreign Affairs, Austria


You're so wise, you're full of wisdom.

Yes, no need to care. You know better than

Former President of Finland
Former Prime Minister of Saxony, Germany
Former European Commissioner, Member of the European Parliament
Former Foreign Minister of Netherlands, former European Commissioner
Former Foreign Minister of Poland, Member of the European Parliament
Former Director of the London School of Economics and Political Science
Former Foreign Minister of Spain, former Secretary General of the Council of Europe, former European Commissioner
Former Prime Minister of France, Member of the European Parliament
Former Secretary General of Foreign Affairs, Austria


You're so wise, you're full of wisdom.
Yes, I am. Thank you.

This is why you don't have, oh need an argument to support your claim. You just know, like a deity. I like how clueless people escape from discussions.

What discussion? I think the fact that Turkey, as it is now, is still a society with predominently muslim values, which contradict with the general European idea of human rights is nothing worth discussing.
In 50 years, maybe.
Meanwhile I don't want those women beating, honour murdering people in the same country as myself.

Besides there's still the Turkey-Cyprus-Greece love triangle.

What discussion? I think the fact that Turkey, as it is now, is still a society with predominently muslim values, which contradict with the general European idea of human rights is nothing worth discussing.
In 50 years, maybe.
Meanwhile I don't want those women beating, honour murdering people in the same country as myself.

Besides there's still the Turkey-Cyprus-Greece love triangle.

Your prediction is a WELL-KNOWN bias about Turkey-EU relations. This is WHY I gave you the link. But you RESIST to read, escape from understanding. That report includes many of your arguments and gives answers.

Turkey will not join the EU tomorrow. Do you know WHAT is EU accession talks. Do you know the path Turkey is passing now. Changes being made for SOLVING human rights issues. And of course Cyprus.

If you have a problem with wife beating people and honor killings (mainly in Kurdish areas) I have too. I see the EU accession talks like a path to solve this problems.

You first said it would be the end to EU, you now say in 50 years. And I say it's not likely to happen in at least 15 years.

But definetely, not the end of EU.

The end of EU if Turkey joins as it is now. I'm no Nostradamus able to predict what will its society be like in 50 years, but 50 years is time enough for Turkey to change.
Sooner? Don't think so. But I'm no expert in Turkish society.

Any way, no accession talks can change the society, it's for the society to do.
You can't order a new way of perceiving the world.

Oh, and everything that is touted by pro-enlargement polititians as bias is not neccesseraly that.

And ot be frank, I've participated in discussions on this issue at my uni last year for several seminars, and I'm fed up with this subject.
If you believe that Turkey should join the EU in the near future (15 years is not enough for generations to change), please, I really don't care what you believe in.

The end of EU if Turkey joins as it is now. I'm no Nostradamus able to predict what will its society be like in 50 years, but 50 years is time enough for Turkey to change.
Sooner? Don't think so. But I'm no expert in Turkish society.

Any way, no accession talks can change the society, it's for the society to do.
You can't order a new way of perceiving the world.

Oh, and everything that is touted by pro-enlargement polititians as bias is not neccesseraly that.

And ot be frank, I've participated in discussions on this issue at my uni last year for several seminars, and I'm fed up with this subject.
If you believe that Turkey should join the EU in the near future (15 years is not enough for generations to change), please, I really don't care what you believe in.

But you're being Nostradamus to say "50". My "15" is not magic, it's what I am reading in many EUROPEAN sources. You're playing the Nostradamus not me.

Besides, your perception of the Turkish society is obviously not adequate. This is the COMMON European bias about Turkey and the Turks. The report also includes that. But why bother, you know.

To be frank, I don't buy the excuse "I have been to many seminars, thus I know" but that's not the case. And I really don't care what some uninformed Europeans think of Turkey's accession. Nearly half of the EU population ALREADY agrees with Turkey's accession. It will surely rise within few years. It's not like "some pro-enlargemant politicians".

I saw the most WELL KNOWN bias and couldn't resist to reply.

Of course, you're not the one who will decide. Fortunately.

50 is enough for the current adult generation to grow old and die. 15 is not.
And about your common bias - so they are not beating their women and killing for trivial honour things?

And whatever the people of Europe will choose, will be ok by me. I respect that freedom.
And I never said that I know the future, just the present, and just that I'm tired of this issue. This is my last post about it too.

Oh, and maybe I'll have a little say in that, I'm in the process of joining the diplomat ranks of my country.

Be seeing you

50 is enough for the current adult generation to grow old and die. 15 is not.
And about your common bias - so they are not beating their women and killing for trivial honour things?

And whatever the people of Europe will choose, will be ok by me. I respect that freedom.
And I never said that I know, just that I'm tired of this issue. This is my last post about it too.

Oh, and maybe I'll have a little say in that, I'm in the process of joining the diplomat ranks of my country.

Be seeing you

No actually. It's sheer ignorance to think that all living people have to die. That's because of lack of understanding the society of Turkey.
Also, society does not change in one generation. It would be accurate if we consider taking all new born children and raising them in an isolated island.

It's good to see how people in Europe are getting more informed about world, other countries day by day.

To be frank, again I really don't buy the excuse "I'm such an important person, thus I know" What can I say, if it's true, I feel sorry for your country.

I've read Ukraine & Georgia are being eyed for the next admission round. Stalin's birthplace? Looks like Russia is being surrounded. The US is flipflopping on promises that the bases in central Asia are temporary as well.

So what, Hitler's birthplace is in Austria. ;)
I hope they wait a bit with new countries (they will), because EU is overheating,
too many countries trying to operate in a model that was designed for far less.

Oh sorry I forgot to answer to this priceless question

"And about your common bias - so they are not beating their women and killing for trivial honour things?"

Common bias thinks every single Turk or the vast majority of the Turks beat their wives and kill women. But in reality those are a tiny minority, especially in rural areas of Sout-East because of underdevelopment and lack of education.

For EU-Russia relations here's what (just) official document says

http://ec.europa.eu/comm/external_relations/russia/intro/index.htm