Laplacian operator

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  1. QuarkHead Remedial Math Student Valued Senior Member

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    I was feeling slightly ashamed at my inability to see the following, but Alpha's recent post encouraged me to seek help. What follows is rather specialized, so I will make no attempt to sugar the pill.

    So, earlier this year I found that the Laplacian in \(\mathbb{R}^3\) can be written in the language of differential forms as \(\nabla^2 = \ast d \ast d\), where \(d: \Lambda^p(V_n) \to \Lambda^{p-1}(V_n)\), and the Hodge operator \(\ast: \Lambda^p(V_n) \to \Lambda^{n-p}(V_n)\), and where \(n=3\) and for the p-forms \((\alpha, \beta)\) is taken to be an inner product,

    In short, we are in a metric space.

    Fine.

    Since, in these circumstances, the exterior derivative is an operator on a metric space, I may define its adjoint such that \((d \alpha, \beta) = (\alpha, d^{\dag}\beta)\), where, by definition, for some n-dimensional manifold \(M_n\), that \(d^{\dag}: \Lambda^p(M_n) \to \Lambda^{p-1}(M_n)\).

    Now my current text defines the Hodge-de Rham operator to be \(\mathcal{HD} \equiv d + d^{\dag}\), which is also fine (actually they use a strike-through of d, but I can't do this here).

    But they then go on to assert that the square of this operator \((\mathcal{HD})^2 = dd^{\dag}+ d^{\dag}d\) and that this is commonly referred to as the Laplacian; \((\mathcal{HD})^2 \equiv \nabla^2\)...Umm

    Now since \(\mathbb{R}^3\) is a vector space - specifically \(V_3\) in the present context, and also since \(\mathbb{R}^3\) is trivially the manifold \(M_3\), then it must be possible, in the specific case, to bring these definitions into register - that is \(\ast d\ast d \equiv d d^{\dag} + d^{\dag} d\)

    Know what? I cannot.

    Any help out there?
     
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  3. AlphaNumeric Fully ionized Registered Senior Member

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    I think there's a few ways to view this, though I cannot think of a direct and short proof off the top of my head.

    The first is to consider the Dirac operator normally associated with Clifford algebras, ie \(D = \gamma^{\mu}\partial_{\mu}\). If you know the Dirac equation, you've seen this before and it's often written as D with a slash through it. Squaring this up you get \(\gamma^{\mu}\gamma^{\nu}\partial_{\mu}\partial_{\nu}\). Partial derivatives commute so \(\gamma^{\mu}\gamma^{\nu}\partial_{\mu}\partial_{\nu} = \frac{1}{2}(\gamma^{\mu}\gamma^{\nu}\partial_{\mu}\partial_{\nu} + \gamma^{\nu}\gamma^{\mu}\partial_{\nu}\partial_{\mu} ) = \frac{1}{2}\{ \gamma^{\mu},\gamma^{\nu}\}\partial_{\mu}\partial_{\nu} = g^{\mu\nu}\partial_{\mu}\partial_{\nu} = \partial^{2}\)

    The Dirac D is not an elliptic operator as the associated symbol doesn't have the right properties but if \(g^{ab} = \delta^{ab}\) then its positive definite and \(D^{2} = \nabla^{2}\).

    The second way is to use the symbol for the Laplacian :

    \(\sigma(\Delta,\xi)\omega = \sigma(dd^{\dag}+d^{\dag}d)\omega = -(\xi \wedge \iota_{\xi}(\omega} + \iota_{\xi}(\xi \wedge \omega)) = -\iota_{\xi}(\xi) \wedge \omega = -|\xi|^{2}\omega\)

    This is equivalent to saying \(\Delta \sim -\partial^{2}\) (or +, depending on sign conventions) and all you need to know to get that is the symbol for d and its adjoint.

    I'm not entirely sure how to do the \(\ast d \ast d = (d+d^{\dag})^{2}\) bit other than simply using the definition of the adjoint in terms of d's and Hodge stars. I also have a sneaking suspicion its not true in general, but in cases like Kahler manifolds they are equal, as I remember reading something where they explicitly stated "If..... then [something] = Laplacian = Kahler Laplacian = ....". There are definitely spaces where various definitions of Laplacians coincide. Unfortunately I returned the book I read it in to the library 2 days ago (3 months overdue....)
     
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  5. temur man of no words Registered Senior Member

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    I think

    \(*d*d=dd^\dagger+d^\dagger d\)

    is only true for 0-forms since \(d^\dagger=*d*\) up to sign. The general one is called the Hodge Laplacian (probably also the Laplace-deRham operator) and the one acting on 0-forms is called the Laplace-Beltrami operator.
     
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  7. AlphaNumeric Fully ionized Registered Senior Member

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    Yeah, having flicked a bit more through Nakahara it would seem there's various Laplacians, often related to one another by factors of 2 etc and the \(\ast d \ast d\) definitely seems like it's out by a factor of 2 from \((d+d^{\dag})^{2}\) so I'd wager it's only true on either particular manifolds or for particular value of p when applied to p-forms.
     
  8. QuarkHead Remedial Math Student Valued Senior Member

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    I thank you for you responses, and, in a masochistic sort of way, I am slightly encouraged by the evidence that I haven't missed a simple trick.

    However I have made some progress, not a lot, but some.

    temur: for the 0-form \(f\) we know that \(d^{\dag}f = 0\). Hence in the expression \(dd^{\dag}f+ d^{\dag}d f\) the first term vanishes. Now since \(df\) is a 1-form and that \(d^{\dag}df\) is then a 0-form by construction, we satisfy the Laplacian for a 0-form. Call it as \(f'\)

    We also know that for any 0-form, \(\ast d \ast d f\) is also a 0-form, call it \(f''\) (no derivatives implied). How do I know that \(f' = f''\)?

    I agree, though, on an arbitrary manifold, this probably doesn't extend to all p-forms.

    Alpha: My texts assure me that the equality \(\nabla^2 = dd^{\dag} + d^{\dag}d\) is valid only on a compact Riemann or pseudo-Riemann manifold, whereas, my earlier rubbish equating \(\nabla^2 = \ast d\ast d\) depended, I now see, on the manifold \(\mathbb{R}^3\) (Euclidean metric), which is neither Riemann nor compact.

    Umm...

    In my earlier thread you mentioned harmonic forms - I suspect there may be some clue here - lemme read yours again, together with my texts and get back, but one thing sticks out: our Laplacian is a self-adjoint differential operator. So, by my construction, I may have that, for arbitrary p-forms \((\nabla^2 \alpha, \nabla^2 \beta) = (d \alpha, d \beta) + (d^{\dag} \alpha, d^{\dag} \beta)\).

    So that if, say, \(\nabla^2\alpha =0\) (definition of an harmonic form), then the identity \((\nabla^2 \alpha, \nabla^2 \beta) = (d \alpha, d \beta) + (d^{\dag} \alpha, d^{\dag} \beta)\) collapses, since by a simple application of linear algebra we know that if, say, \(v=0 \Rightarrow (v,w) =0\)
     
  9. temur man of no words Registered Senior Member

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    because *d* = d+

    I think it is Riemann. Noncompactness is not much of an issue if you consider only compactly supported entities.
     
  10. AlphaNumeric Fully ionized Registered Senior Member

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    You might want to check your algebra for that Laplacian identity you've given because I don't think that's right. The LHS involves second order derivatives on each form but the RHS is only 1st order derivatives on each form. Do you mean \((\nabla^{2}\alpha,\beta)\) instead, then you've got the right orders of d and d-dag everywhere.
     
  11. temur man of no words Registered Senior Member

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    Sorry, R^3 with its Euclidean metric is a Riemannian manifold, of course it is not a Riemann surface.
     
  12. QuarkHead Remedial Math Student Valued Senior Member

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    Then show me the proof, as this as at the heart of my question!

    (Alpha - back to you on your post, but now I have to run)
     
  13. QuarkHead Remedial Math Student Valued Senior Member

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    Yikes!! Did I really say that? It seems I did, but of course it is nonsense. It should be \( (\nabla^2 \alpha, \beta) = (d \alpha, d \beta)+(d^{\dag} \alpha, d^{\dag} \beta) = (\alpha,\nabla^2 \beta) \), since the operators \(d\) and \(d^{\dag}\) are adjoint, which implies that the Laplacian is self-adjoint.

    Logic all in a mess in my post. Sorry folks.

    Thank you for keeping me honest
     

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