Lack of spirituality causes death

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  1. arauca Banned Banned

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    http://www.theatlantic.com/life/arc...cebo-effect-when-intense-belief-kills/245065/

    They died in their sleep one by one, thousands of miles from home. Their median age was 33. All but one -- 116 of the 117 -- were healthy men. Immigrants from southeast Asia, you could count the time most had spent on American soil in just months. At the peak of the deaths in the early 1980s, the death rate from this mysterious problem among the Hmong ethnic group was equivalent to the top five natural causes of death for other American men in their age group.
     
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  3. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    Have you not titled this thread incorrectly???

    These people have such a strong spirituality that a nocturnal spirit enters their dreams, this causes the brain to muddle REM sleep with consciousness, and they die of sheer fright.

    It is spirituality that is killing them, not its absence! I don't see any evidence of atheists dying this way.

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    BTW, one reason the Hmong have not been warmly welcomed in the USA is that they bring some rather uncivilized cultural practices with them, particularly regarding the status of women. Their traditional courtship ritual is a felony in this country.

    A more positive portrayal of the Hmong can be seen in the Clint Eastwood movie "Gran Torino."
     
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  5. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    I worked with a Hmong cook. He mentioned that his grandfather didn't like his dad and killed him, so they moved to America. I asked if his grandfather went to jail. He said "No, they shot him and skinned him" HOLY CRAP!
    His grandfather had died years previously and came back as a tiger and killed his Dad. Lord love a duck
     
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  9. origin Heading towards oblivion Valued Senior Member

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    Well, well, that is some damn fine research. No figures? Probably? Can't argue with that!

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  10. Me-Ki-Gal Banned Banned

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    that is extremely interesting Frag . I was at a city council meeting and a Hmong woman got up and spoke . She was not making coherent sense as she spoke . I could tell something was really bothering here . I felt like I understood what she was saying . Every one dismissed her as being just another crazy woman . I felt like she calling out to Me to help her . She was making a plea to everyone in the room . No one could hear her cry . I could hear it plain and clear . My Wife was there and just assumed she was being abused by her husband or family member . I didn't know what to thank about ? I felt like she calling me by name . It really freaked Me out and gave Me a desire to contact her and get to the bottom of her troubles . I didn't . I think about her a lot though . I can still picture her face . I have not seen her sense . It is kind of haunting
     
  11. Me-Ki-Gal Banned Banned

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    O.K. this might be an interesting link for you all as it goes to my idea that molestation went on at night by the church going men and the court were in denial . I posted about this on another thread about a supposedly first rap case recorded in the Americas some were around 1648 and the deemed the woman possessed. I contend she was being rapped repeatedly by someone close to her and because of sexual denial they called her possessed because no one would face the truth of what was really happening . Here is my supportive link to that thought .

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incubus
     
  12. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

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    The title is correct.


    Imagine you could not practice your atheism. Imagine you would find yourself in a world where natural laws as you know them do not operate.
    You'd go crazy, and possibly die of dread.
     
  13. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Hmm, lack of spirituality causes death. No wait! It's spirituality itself. Or it could be cheese. Or lack of cheese.
    Maybe it's cats?
    Weevils?

    Anybody? Oh, it's people that does it.

    Serious lack of topic/ rationality here.
     
  14. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

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    More from that article:

    I think this points to the simple and readily observable phenomenon of what happens when people for some reason or other cannot live in accordance with their beliefs: they suffer.

    It can hardly be called a mere nocebo.
     
  15. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

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    Imagine you would suddenly find yourself living in an environment where natural laws as you know them do not operate, and where nobody speaks your language and you don't speak theirs.

    Your beliefs would be overchallenged and you would suffer greatly.
     
  16. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Well apart from the phrase "natural laws" I see your point (and I know what you mean there, I think).
    I've been homesick more than once.

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    But I was mostly berating the garbled OP. There is a topic (if one reads the link) but it was hardly well thought out if Arauca can reverse his position after one post (Fraggle's).
     
  17. kwhilborn Banned Banned

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    Changing your environment could be a cause all its own.

    In the Philippines eating too much rice is thought to bring on SURDS (this type of death).

    Maybe these men had been living very meekly and then suddenly been overwhelmed with the food. Then their heart problems coupled with their Thiamine deficiency. The heart has problems with electrical pathways of the heart.

    This was not the power of suggestion, but medical conditions.

    We have seen hypnosis, and the placebo effect, and seen movies where voodoo was used for evil instead of healing. As long as we are dealing with the placebo effect a good old voodoo doll was probably as effective as a doctors sugar pills.

    Despite all of that I think it would be impossible for so many people to die over beliefs. I could maybe see it happening to some oddly suggestive person, but not as many people as what this Hmong grouping describes.

    I think they could vastly improve their worship quality if they see their brethren falling by the dozens. Isn't impending doom one of the more common reasons for prayer?
     

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