What is the kookiest crankiest most bizzare website you've ever run across?

One can search crank.net and other related sites for an abundance of these sites. But I want to see ones you've run across other than referencing those sites.

One of my favorites is a website I ran across on another forum being promoted by its authors. They claim to be in touch with hundreds of alien civilizations and have hand drawn pictures of the "Alien Council."

Enjoy!

http://www.theprojectatearth.com/

Obviously, SciFoolems Forums.
Hands down winner.

I did once get pointed to one of the 9/11 conspiracy sites, where everything they said diverged so far from ordinary common sense it was difficult even to understand what they were trying to prove. For example there was an article which explained exactly how it was possible that the WTC was hit by a plane but that the passengers had been disembarked elsewhere - and then killed separately. Occam's Razor notable by its absence.

I'm afraid I no longer have a link, but I will try to post it.

What is the kookiest crankiest most bizzare website you've ever run across?

...

Enjoy!

http://www.theprojectatearth.com/

Now that _is_ crank central! they don't actually say much on the web site, keeping i all under wraps until the book is printed I guess! I wonder which child of theirs drew those pictuers for them?

I know - wasn't that bizarre? Some sensible sounding stuff about conceptualising large numbers, and then we meet Zar and Demetrius via crayon drawing.

Could the whole thing be a spoof? Or is that too much to ask?

Could the whole thing be a spoof? Or is that too much to ask?

Jack and Nancy are dead serious. I have followed Nancy's posts on another science forum, and although she gets caught on a continuous basis regarding the physics of her aliens movements around the galaxy, she is adamant that aliens are not only visiting but are intertwined in our society. She thinks they will reveal themselves and make first contact in Japan.

You gotta love those hand drawings. She never did answer why she didn't simply take photographs.

Of course, they're probably just trying to make a buck on a book deal.

SciForums

Could the whole thing be a spoof? Or is that too much to ask?

Jack and Nancy are dead serious. I have followed Nancy's posts on another science forum, and although she gets caught on a continuous basis regarding the physics of her aliens movements around the galaxy, she is adamant that aliens are not only visiting but are intertwined in our society. She thinks they will reveal themselves and make first contact in Japan.

Hi, (Q)

Yes, that's right :) I will answer your questions.

You gotta love those hand drawings. She never did answer why she didn't simply take photographs.

The aliens don't allow photographs of themselves. Personal "evidence" can be used to prove anything for or against any claimant anyway. It makes little difference because commonly, people do not know any better one way or another on their own. They will believe whatever professionals tell them or lead them to believe, even with their silence and denial. Professional nay-sayers easily make any evidence prove things against true contactees, and provide encouragement for false claimants. This is to keep you confused and serve the propaganda campaign.

Do not underestimate the size of the propaganda campaign or what our leading governments have to lose upon the open knowledge of visitation of advanced races of people to our planet. But that is too bad, people are learning anyway. They are learning what the alien races are really like, and they are figuring out on their own what these governments are really doing about the aliens.

Of course, they're probably just trying to make a buck on a book deal.

My husband and I have been sharing our experiences openly and for no pay to large and small groups, and through the media for 14 years. I hope to have my journals and seminar material published one day, but so far it is not well understood professionally. The houses still want either the professional clout or the Hollywood sensationalism. I have refused publishing three times due to what the houses wanted to do to my material. I may self-publish, but there is a great deal more that people can learn just by talking with us than there is in my factual daily writings.

Mostly I help people who already know the aliens are here and they just want to know about them. Many of them have personal experiences of their own and are confused and afraid. I tell them about the aliens as people, and answer any questions I can to help put them at ease and figure things out for themselves. I help them learn how to communicate with their alien contacts so they can get their own things going with them if they want to. I talk to their families to help them know they can support the contactee. I talk to investigators, and help explain how the aliens make contact happen and why, and help them understand what it is that makes people react the way they do. Sometimes, I help clarify which common beliefs are real and which are not real. Most of what you read and hear through the UFO field and the media is not accurate, both by accidents of perception, and by diabolical design.

If I had one personal piece of evidence to try to prove what I teach, I would not be free to speak. It is my role to speak and help others. I do not need to prove anything. The only proof people ever get is when they themselves have a sighting or a personal experience with alien life, and that may or may not prove to anything to them that people like me say. That is the way the visiting races want it to be. The alien races take very good care of the evidence of themselves and leave it openly for all to witness.

EarthSister
http://www.TheProjectAtEarth.com

So what stops me claiming my made up alien races are real and true and the government is suppressing this. What makes your claims more valid.

But if you want a site with everything from the New world order to the evils of vaccines, chemtrails to free energy then as featured as an awful link of the day http://educate-yourself.org/ If it is fake then someone has put a lot of effort to do so.

The only proof people ever get is when they themselves have a sighting or a personal experience with alien life, ...EarthSister


Ah, that's interesting. I have had an abduction experience, posted here. But I know it was a dream, and not aliens. Just a case of night terrors, nothing more.

Of course, you can sketch what you see in dreams, but not take photographs, so aliens appearing in dreams would be them 'not allowing' pictures to be taken, wouldn't it?

http://www.dailyconfession.com

that brings back memories, last time i went there was about 3 years ago

Earthsister

It is strange to say the least that you suddenly started posting here within a day after I posted the link to your site. Have you been watching this site and have just registered or did someone alert you?

Hi, (Q)

Not strange at all. I noticed the thread among the referral hits to my counter.

So what stops me claiming my made up alien races are real and true and the government is suppressing this. What makes your claims more valid.

Hi, BobG

If you do not personally know anything about a subject, the things that others tell you may be all worth the same to you. Think smart and listen to people, but don't just believe anything without a personal reason to do so. Nothing stops you or anyone from making claims, but the only way others can know whether you are true or untrue is if they already know something about the subject themselves. "Many" people who are making claims are dishonest.

I teach what I learn from my own experiences. You can learn a lot from experiencers, whether you believe them not, and whether they are honest or not. If you listen to them talking long enough, you will start to figure out an idea of who is honest and who is not, and who is mistaken and who knows what they are talking about.

As long as people still do not know what to think on their own, they will keep favoring the wrong information because it is from "respected sources." The leading governments are suppressing the truth by disguising it physically before your eyes, and even more so in your mind. They contend a few things, including -- "there are no aliens." -- "the aliens are evil." and "anyone who claims to know or believes that the aliens are real and have good reasons for visiting our planet is lying or delusional or both." The true information that you hear is recycled, fixed-up to keep you confused and control your opinions socially, professionally and/or religiously.

But if you want a site with everything from the New world order to the evils of vaccines, chemtrails to free energy then as featured as an awful link of the day http://educate-yourself.org/ If it is fake then someone has put a lot of effort to do so.

I only looked around a little at that site. It looks to me like a somewhat useful, entertaining hodge-podge of strange, controversial subjects. The site owner puts "whatever" on there that he collects from others, true or not, and it seems it's all the same to him. The site serves a fine purpose of making people aware that all of those things are out there, but does not directly serve any truth among it.

EarthSister
http://www.TheProjectAtEarth.com

Ah, that's interesting. I have had an abduction experience, posted here. But I know it was a dream, and not aliens. Just a case of night terrors, nothing more.

phlogistician

I have not heard your story. But sometimes "dreams" are real events. Most alien experiences are not actually physical, but happen within other states of consciousness. "If" we recall them, they come up through our states of consciousness the same way mere dreams do. They seem like dreams, but are much more vivid, orderly and lucid. We may mix them with imagination, or have a wild dream about the real event, but with practice and with getting to know your own alien contacts, if you try, you can progress and start figuring things out on your own.

You do not have to have alien experiences to discover what else you are doing in life besides what you are physically aware of. We all live an existence by spirit parallel to what we live by body. Humans are not well-aware of themselves, but further evolved races of people live by their nature, meeting out of body and speaking by telepathy. To many humans who do it, meeting out of body feels like remembering the same dream with somebody else.

Of course, you can sketch what you see in dreams, but not take photographs, so aliens appearing in dreams would be them 'not allowing' pictures to be taken, wouldn't it?

The alien people are as alive and physical as we are, but we cannot share the same atmosphere. It is normal and necessary for beings of different worlds to meet naturally. It is also necessary for our visiting races to use great care in designing increasing sightings for the general public and for their individual human contacts because of the hardship caused by infighting and threats of harm by the leading governments.

It is very rare for a being of any alien race to ever be exposed to our atmosphere. They can't land and step out any more than we could land on their worlds and step out. Their natural abilities and technologies effect "face to face" contact. When they visit us where we are, they are usually out of body. When we visit their crafts, we are usually out of body.

The aliens have very tight control of encounters with their human contacts. It is not possible to take a picture in most cases of contact, and it is never allowed. That kind of "evidence" does not prove anything to be true, but only makes the one who has it into a target for those who would stop him from speaking, and those who would use him as leverage against the aliens.

If your dream was a real event, some clues to that would be multiple similar dreams through life, physical sightings of alien crafts and family members having similar experiences.

Most humans who have a personal connection to alien life, and experiences with them, do not even know it on a physical level.

EarthSister
http://www.TheProjectAtEarth.com

How can you know anything about a subject which has no evidence or factual basis. And assuming you can tell 100% whether people are lying which I'd like to see you still have people who are under these sort of delusions. You clearly judge truth on a person's character. No government coverup is required, no great conspiracy and if there was any truth it certainly would either have been completely stopped or plastered over the press. But yet it is all convienently documented on the internet albeit in ridiculously different forms. Do you think a government cover-up would be done so poorly and this would really transcend all people's ideologies, beliefs and values. All people apart from those who can expose the truth on the internet.

How can you know anything about a subject which has no evidence or factual basis.

Why do you think there is no evidence or factual basis? Who told you there is none?

And assuming you can tell 100% whether people are lying which I'd like to see you still have people who are under these sort of delusions. You clearly judge truth on a person's character.

That's right, deluded people may think lots of untrue things, but a deluded person has certain characteristics you can recognize. You can't judge delusion simply by claims of alien contact. Also, some people who happen to be deluded also happen to have alien contact.

No government coverup is required, no great conspiracy and if there was any truth it certainly would either have been completely stopped or plastered over the press. But yet it is all convienently documented on the internet albeit in ridiculously different forms.

What the governments are putting so much effort to is covering up what they themselves are doing. The governments can't hide the aliens -- they can only force the aliens to hide by threats of physical harm and blackmail, and by harassing the humans that the alien races work with.

Do you think a government cover-up would be done so poorly and this would really transcend all people's ideologies, beliefs and values. All people apart from those who can expose the truth on the internet.

It is enough to keep you confused and steer your opinion. That's all it takes. Plenty of hard evidence gets out, but all the authorities have to do is announce that it is not hard evidence and that is what loyal, correct people will believe, until they witness something "alien" personally.

The government cover-up is breaking down. People are getting wise to the motives of particular manipulating governments. You can't feed a lie to a wise person. You can only feed a lie to a stupid person. The publics are being kept stupid and mislead.

Earth Sister
http://www.TheProjectAtEarth.com

I tend to hypothesis the point that if something manifests itself as "alien" to you, does it actually mean its "alien" in origin? For instance it was the norm during the period of cold war stalemate between rival countries to utilise methods of manipulation over one another, such manipulation was deemed espionage and usually incorporated spy-rings.

One such espionage method was "the sleeper", however not all sleepers would have even known they were agents admittedly the evidence for that was the commendeering of "biological filters" in regards to bugging equipment.

What I question is could your "alien interactions" just be nothing more than interfacing with your handler?

Why do you think there is no evidence or factual basis? Who told you there is none?

So where is it then?

Earthsister, I told of my experience here;

http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=36591

Please comment, there on on this thread.

You confuse me in your reply to me. Have you _physically_ met aliens?

I tend to hypothesis the point that if something manifests itself as "alien" to you, does it actually mean its "alien" in origin? For instance it was the norm during the period of cold war stalemate between rival countries to utilise methods of manipulation over one another, such manipulation was deemed espionage and usually incorporated spy-rings.

One such espionage method was "the sleeper", however not all sleepers would have even known they were agents admittedly the evidence for that was the commendeering of "biological filters" in regards to bugging equipment.

What I question is could your "alien interactions" just be nothing more than interfacing with your handler?

Stryderunknown

I do not exactly understand "the sleeper" or "biological filters" but I get the gist of the question.

Just because something is alien to you, does not mean it is alien in origin.

However, I have traveled with my alien contacts in their crafts, including to a few other worlds of their own. I have witnessed their capabilities both natural and technological. I have had hundreds of conversations with them about the way their things operate, and what these individuals are doing set up around our planet. My husband Jack has had more communications and meetings with them than I have, but usually we are together for meetings with our alien contacts.

Jack and I have also had some troubles with certain kinds of professional human groups, who sometimes pose as "something alien" in order to confuse the people they target. I can see how this has worked on some people who do not have very much firsthand experience with the alien people, but the highest ranks of humans could never replicate what I know the alien races to be like. Besides that, whenever any human individual or group has tried to approach us with a devious plot, our alien contacts have let us know about it.

So where is it then?

You won't believe me if I tell you, so take some guesses so I can see what you will say.

Earthsister, I told of my experience here;

http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=36591

Please comment, there on on this thread.

You confuse me in your reply to me. Have you _physically_ met aliens?

phlogistician

Sorry about the confusion in my last reply. Try reading it a few more times and see if it becomes any clearer.

Yes, I meet my alien contacts physically. But contact between the beings of different races (worlds) is usually not actually physical. It is usually done in other states of consciousness. Jack and I do it both ways at different times.

I will read your experience and write back as soon as I can; my house is getting busy right now with my kids arriving home. I think you want me to post my comments on the other thread, is that right?

Erm im not worried about sites written by cranks i worry about websites proposing theories that are made by proffesors like
quantum immortality,the idea of setting yourself infront of a gun and shooting yourself BUT THATS OK cos youre immortal apparently and will never die even if youre billions of years old

http://www.fact-index.com/q/qu/quantum_immortality.html

Actually I think the suggestion of Quantum Immortality is kind of derived from Causality.

Namely you have the Past, Present and Future tense. For something to have occured in the past, it would have been percievably someones "Future" at some point, therefore what has occured had to occur which also means what occurs in the future is predestined.

I would speculate Quantum Immortality would purely be side of the Grandfather paradox where some people believe it would be impossible to "wipe yourself out from existance by detaining your grandfather from marrying your Grandmother." (I say detaining as murdering grandparents isn't exactly a sane thing to do.)

[Heck thats probably why when people get married they usually have the "If anyone objects to this please speak now" part to the ceremony. j/k]

In escence your "Immorality" is purely because you wouldn't be able to wipe yourself out from existing. Although the point here is thats only if you have the capacity to have seen (and walked the path) of your predestined path, namely if you took a gun and shot yourself in the head, You will die. (No heaven, no angels, mearly no existance)

I thought up a way of becomming rich beyond your wildest dreams based on the idea of many worlds.

All you need to do is buy a lottery ticket,buy tonnes and tonnes of powerful explosives,a computer and programming knowledge.

Now set the explosives up in such a way that itll be IMPOSSIBLE for you to survive if they explode,and to ensure that they will cause death in less than a nanosecond,might be a better idea to strap yourself to a hydrogen bomb.

Now rig the explosives up to your computer and programme the computer in such a way that itll trigger the explosives if your lottery number DOES NOT come up.Your computer would have to be set to recieve the numbers,possibly from the lottery website?

So in summary the only way youll survive is if your lottery number comes up.

The cool part is that you can only survive in those worlds where you have won the lottery.

LMAO

zombo.com

its a hypnotic cattle transducer run by aliens.

I still say that scifoolems forums is the
Kookiest Crankiest Bizzarist Looniest

Earthsister. OK, so you have physically met aliens, but you stated that we cannot share the same atmosphere, so, were they wearing some kind of space suit, or, were you taken to some craft, and kept in a different atmosphere while this meeting occurred?

Please describe the circumstances surrounding these meetings.

Earthsister, I told of my experience here;

http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=36591

Please comment, there on on this thread.

phlogistician

You explain how some kinds of people may assume something alien from that experience very well on your own, but only if they really want to, and only if they don't know what an actual alien experience is like. There are a lot of people like that, too.

Your dream and confusion are normal in my opinion, considering everything you describe. But they are nothing like an actual alien experience. Those of us who work closely with alien life know our alien contacts very well. We don't live our lives in such a state of sleep or confusion or view our experiences that way either.

Earthsister. OK, so you have physically met aliens, but you stated that we cannot share the same atmosphere, so, were they wearing some kind of space suit, or, were you taken to some craft, and kept in a different atmosphere while this meeting occurred?

Please describe the circumstances surrounding these meetings.

I don't understand it all, even though I witness it. The alien people effect physical contact with us (and each other race to race) in many different ways by the use of technologies and natural abilities.

One way meetings are "physical" is by use of dimensional technologies. They can be standing in the next dimension on their crafts in their suitable artificial atmosphere. They can land their crafts right over (through) where you are, and in effect, stand right next to you and allow you to see them by use of additional technologies (or by your own natural abilities). You may have some awareness of the affects of the technologies, but all you would see is the alien person seemingly with you where you are.

Another way is when you are out of body, but don't know that you are, and you meet with the alien people as they are in their own environment.

Some of the races that visit Earth can actually be all right in our atmosphere physically with the use of chemical aids for a very short time, but this is dangerous and not taken on lightly. It is easier and safer to just use dimensional technologies or to visit out of body.

I have never seen an alien in a space suit on Earth.

EarthSister
http://www.TheProjectAtEarth.com

EarthSister, the main issue you have not addressed is under whose authority are these aliens (ET's) making contact, under whose authority are they under?

If they cannot answer that question acceptably then these ones are violating our humanity as a sentient race under our Creator.

EarthSister, the main issue you have not addressed is under whose authority are these aliens (ET's) making contact, under whose authority are they under?

If they cannot answer that question acceptably then these ones are violating our humanity as a sentient race under our Creator.

FireyIce

I will explain it as clearly as I know it simply from my own experiences and communications with the leaders of the organization of our visiting races:

Our visiting races belong here as neighbors, friends and family of both humanity itself, and more directly of individual humans. Their authority is under the larger union of five galaxies, literally translated as "The Intergalactic Union."

These races belong here as well as humans belong to each other country to country, but in more complex, evolutional and spiritual ways. We are all the same one kind of being under the same one God. Humans on Earth are prejudiced against our visiting races-- they are not prejudiced against us or each other.

The individual human people that the alien visitors work personally with are their own related humans. There was an amount of advantage-taking going on by a few races in the past, which has been halted by the organization of our visiting races.

Our world leaders have had appointed human individuals in government (I do not know who) who carry a professional dialog with, in the past -- a few individual races here, and now with the leaders of the organization of visiting races.

In the past, many individual visiting races were working alone here. Our world leaders (US Govt for one, already had ongoing dialog and agreements with a few of them (I do not know exactly how many).

As of April 2000, a few of our visiting races have been permanently dismissed from visiting our planet by the organization of visiting races, and every single last visiting race has been indoctrinated into the organization of our visiting races. Now our leaders (or appointed govt people) have to work directly with the leaders of the organization, not with any individual race.

EarthSister
http://www.TheProjectAtEarth.com

Earthsister

Just to nitpik:

Our world leaders have had appointed human individuals in government (I do not know who)

In the past, many individual visiting races were working alone here... (I do not know exactly how many).

Perhaps those statements should be regarded as hearsay. It's not likely those points were brought to your attention without possessing some manner of validity.

I still say that scifoolems forums is the
Kookiest Crankiest Bizzarist Looniest

If you repeat something over and over, no matter how outrageous it may be, people will come to believe there's some truth in it."

http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Repetition

Earthsister

Just to nitpik:

Our world leaders have had appointed human individuals in government (I do not know who)

In the past, many individual visiting races were working alone here... (I do not know exactly how many).

Perhaps those statements should be regarded as hearsay. It's not likely those points were brought to your attention without possessing some manner of validity.

(Q)

These facts are mixed up here a bit out of context but that's ok.

The points are valid to me because of who I learned about those things from, the alien races, and I am sharing them. But I am not offended and understand that they are not "valid" to others just because I say so, or because I say the aliens say so.

I am absolutely sure of them because of my own different sources and many conversations with them about these things. I did not just hear them in passing and accidentally misunderstand the meanings.

I can't personally validate anything I know from my alien contacts.

It seems I kind of hijacked your thread. Sorry about that. If interest continues, I will open a new one.

EarthSister
http://www.TheProjectAtEarth.com

The points are valid to me because of who I learned about those things from, the alien races

Perhaps you missed my point. The aliens would not need to bring these points to your attention without validity, there simply is no point to it. These are powerful claims to make and the aliens would know that, therefore it is not something they would make light of by introducing the concepts and then not providing validity.

It seems I kind of hijacked your thread. Sorry about that. If interest continues, I will open a new one.

By all means, you have my full permission to keep posting here as you see fit.

Perhaps you missed my point. The aliens would not need to bring these points to your attention without validity, there simply is no point to it. These are powerful claims to make and the aliens would know that, therefore it is not something they would make light of by introducing the concepts and then not providing validity.

Information is never given lightly by the alien races, but closely protected from the rages of propaganda, and to protect the individuals who have it. They will be providing the validity for you- that is THE plan that everything they are doing right now is leading up to. The horse goes before the cart, so to speak, but remember that a point in evolution is over a period of time for humans. We are so slow! It is taking a very long time for common humans to realize the govt corruption surrounding our visiting races and the evidence of their presence.

No matter what the aliens do to show themselves, all the govts have to do is announce to the public, "It was a weather balloon" and the people still today will loyally believe that! Worse, the govts can announce that we are being invaded. When our military fires on the alien crafts, our leaders can tell their people that the aliens fired first! That would be no step forward for us. But little by little in sharing true information first-hand, average every-day people are realizing what is really going on here. The leading govts will "never" disclose what they know or what they are doing about the aliens, and will not allow the aliens to openly visit our planet. The threats are great to our understanding, and to human life as well as alien life.

Look at how many people all over the world are spending all their free time studying and participating in the ufo field personally and professionally, but will not step out of line away from the politically popular opinions, "there are no aliens" and "if there were any aliens, they would be monsters." That is what they talk about all day and night! They have obediently forgotten the evidence that their leaders have told them to forget about. No matter what they see or hear, no "evidence" is actually "evidence" until they are told by the correct agencies that it is. Isn't that funny?

Another important point I should make is that true information about our visiting races can only be handed privately from the aliens to willing and motivated individuals, in order for it to be handed and dispersed publicly at all. Publicly, true information about our visiting races is "forbidden" by our leading governments and all those they control.

You and I have to have some good idea of what the aliens are really like and what they are doing here before we have to face them and "tell our leaders how" to proceed. If we rely only on our world leaders to tell us what to think, the public will not progress in knowledge. But our leaders work for us, not us for them! I prefer to hear what the aliens have to say for themselves, and to decide what I think of it myself. The alien races are doing everything they can to proceed, but our leading governments are doing everything they can to stop them.

By all means, you have my full permission to keep posting here as you see fit.

Thank you very much :)

EarthSister
http://www.TheProjectAtEarth.com

Information is never given lightly by the alien races, but closely protected from the rages of propaganda, and to protect the individuals who have it. They will be providing the validity for you- that is THE plan that everything they are doing right now is leading up to.

When will I meet them? Can you set up a meeting?

.............?????
lets just call this the earthsister page, i mean give other people a chance

Information is never given lightly by the alien races, but closely protected from the rages of propaganda, and to protect the individuals who have it. They will be providing the validity for you- that is THE plan that everything they are doing right now is leading up to.

When will I meet them? Can you set up a meeting?

I can't set you up. Everybody asks me that, though.

.............?????
lets just call this the earthsister page, i mean give other people a chance

mickeyboy

Did you have something to ask or comment to anyone particular? Feel free. There is no limit to how many can post at one time.

I can't set you up.

Then how is it I'm supposed to have those same experiences and meet those aliens?

FireyIce

Their authority is under the larger union of five galaxies, literally translated as "The Intergalactic Union."

UNACCEPTABLE

These races belong here as well as humans belong to each other country to country, but in more complex, evolutional and spiritual ways. We are all the same one kind of being under the same one God. Humans on Earth are prejudiced against our visiting races-- they are not prejudiced against us or each other.

We humans are not the possession of the country we happen to live in.

Our world leaders have had appointed human individuals in government (I do not know who) who carry a professional dialog with, in the past -- a few individual races here, and now with the leaders of the organization of visiting races.

In the past, many individual visiting races were working alone here. Our world leaders (US Govt for one, already had ongoing dialog and agreements with a few of them (I do not know exactly how many).

Now our leaders (or appointed govt people) have to work directly with the leaders of the organization, not with any individual race.

These humans having dialog and agreements with the ET's that are here, if these people do not establish under whose authority this interaction is authorized, these people are in error. No matter how warm and fuzzy this interaction is perceived by the human, this interaction is still in error.

Your interaction with these ones here, without them having proper authority, your in error. Even worse you are encouraging others.

We humans are not the possession of the country we happen to live in.


That is what most would like to believe, but since we place people in power to make decisions for us through the embodyment of heirarchy, it would suggest that we actual defer our rights to be decided by them, therefore Countries and those in power can percievably decide a persons individual fate as if they were a possession.

It's not as if governments need to ask permission of an individual if they want to use them in some clandestine experiment, they would just self impose some authority over them, even if it means having to push them into a Mental hospital to take away their rights on medical grounds.

FireyIce

UNACCEPTABLE

I can only imagine to what authority you are alluding. Why do you assume it would not be allowed to bring our people together to know and help one another? Do you think it is against God?

If you do not want to meet or work with alien life, just don't. But I do. It is an individual choice. It is my heritage, which no govt entity has any power or right to deny me.

We humans are not the possession of the country we happen to live in.

I didn't mean to say we are a possession of govt. But we have a leadership to be respected, that is supposed to be protecting us. We do not need govt protection from the aliens. Humanity needs protection from our leading govts.

These humans having dialog and agreements with the ET's that are here, if these people do not establish under whose authority this interaction is authorized, these people are in error. No matter how warm and fuzzy this interaction is perceived by the human, this interaction is still in error.

Well, it's not warm and fuzzy. It is professional more than anything.

The humans representing our govt leaders are engaging in dialog with alien life under the authority of our govt leaders.

Your interaction with these ones here, without them having proper authority, your in error. Even worse you are encouraging others.

Perhaps we misunderstand one another. My personal and professional, extensive, advanced interaction with my own alien contacts is not under any jurisdiction of any Earth authority. Anyone who tries to stop our worlds from allying is in error.

I am curious- could you tell me on what you found your position against contact between our world and our neighboring worlds? Or are you only against civil individuals having contact with alien life?

EarthSister
http://www.TheProjectAtEarth.com

EarthSister
Oh, well, as you have your own aliens here to talk to, would you ask them about that little war that someone lost in our solar system? Or, are all the races and or individuals you know Jesus Christ perfect?
Welcome to scifoolems forums.

Hey Stryder, you are so right on that we are owned by something or someone. But I have no problemo with my owner. Do you?
:m:

If you do not want to meet or work with alien life, just don't. But I do. It is an individual choice.

Ok, I have made the choice to work with alien life, what do I have to do to meet and work with them?

Ok, I have made the choice to work with alien life, what do I have to do to meet and work with them?

(Q)

First you have to be related to another race by spirit. Then your contact is more of a discovery of ongoing events.

You discover contact by looking into what you are doing spiritually, meaning naturally- not religiously, through life. We all live a spiritual existence and meet with other beings and spirits and the divine, whether they include people from other worlds or not.

Of course, whether you try to discover it or not, if you have a relationship and your alien contacts want to make you aware, they make it happen physically for you as well as spiritually.

There is an element of professional contact with alien life also but it is not well-established with our world yet, and I do not know the criteria to be able to define the position, except vaguely as "some govt officials."

There is some rare personal contact between alien life and unrelated civil human individuals, but it is heavily circumstantial, not random.

To become physically aware of whatever you are doing spiritually can be done by meditation and by watching your "dreams." Meditation is spiritual exercise that has both immediate and long-term effects. The more simply and regularly you do it, the better. Ask around of any martial artists you know, and of anyone that seriously practices yoga. Try meditation yourself and discover how it affects your body and mind.

Keep a dream and meditation journal to map your progress.

If and how your alien contact - and your awareness of it - progresses depends on many different things. But first things first.

To become physically aware of whatever you are doing spiritually can be done by meditation and by watching your "dreams."

So, essentially what you're saying is that alien contact is in my dreams?

To become physically aware of whatever you are doing spiritually can be done by meditation and by watching your "dreams."

So, essentially what you're saying is that alien contact is in my dreams?

Not exactly, but it may seem that way.

Whenever you spiritually meet with somebody, if and when you become aware of it physically, the memory or realization of it comes up through your states of consciousness in much the same way "dreams" seem to.

In other words, if you are out of body engaging in some activity, your body is normally unaware of it whether you are asleep at the time or awake. But if you do become aware of it, that is by a connection between yourself- between your body and your spirit. The "memory" of it is not physical, but spiritual. It "seems" like a "dream." But memories of spiritual experiences have more substance than memories of mere imaginary dreams, especially if you pay attention to them and learn how your own abilities feel to you.

Although the alien people who visit Earth are as alive and physical as we are, they cannot step right into our atmosphere, so personal contact between us is usually by spirit. The advanced races have no difficulty at all with this, as it is their normal, advanced way of being and meeting. We humans also do it, but we are not well aware or in control of it yet at our point of evolution. When we meet with alien life, the aliens cause us to use and be aware of our natural abilities more than we can on our own yet.

If you can see somebody who is out of their body, you are seeing them with your spirit, not with your eyes. If you close your eyes, you can still see them and sense them there. Any other people with you probably could not see them there. You can also talk with them mind to mind, or spirit to spirit, and hear their words aloud in your mind although others with you probably cannot.

Jack's and my contact with alien life is advanced, especially Jack's. We "dream" the same spiritual experiences together as well as meet with the alien beings physically together. We hear them speaking to both of us telepathically. Jack and I support each other and learn everything we can from the aliens. These things have been carefully taught to us by example and experience with the aliens for the direct purpose of our understanding of them, so that we can help explain them to others who have these experiences. We understand the concepts only as well as we can, which is simply. If we only ever saw the aliens physically, like so many humans assume is the only way that matters, we would not even learn how and why natural contact happens.

All of us have spiritual experiences all of the time, day and night. We all "live" a busy spiritual existence. But when our bodies are asleep we are physically out of our own way, and memories of events come to our first state of consciousness more easily. We may wake up with a memory of a spiritual event that occurred at any time, but we easily assume that it happened while we were asleep, or that it was just a wild imaginary dream. All of the ordinary things we do spiritually get ignored, but when we see something or someone out of the ordinary, it may catch our attention.

Map your dreams, pay close attention to the details and just see what you might see there.

We may wake up with a memory of a spiritual event that occurred at any time, but we easily assume that it happened while we were asleep, or that it was just a wild imaginary dream.

I now see where my problem lies. I always take on the notion that events not of what me might consider part of reality ARE wild imaginary dreams whilst I sleep. Perhaps what I need is some guidance in how best to discern between those dreams and the spiritual events you refer?

What methods do you use to try and initiate a spiritual event with the aliens or do you have to wait until they contact you?

I'd be very interested in hearing some descriptions of what you saw in your travels with the aliens?

Map your dreams, pay close attention to the details and just see what you might see there.

Quite often, dreams are forgotten soon after you wake up. Are there methods to help remember your dreams?

I now see where my problem lies. I always take on the notion that events not of what me might consider part of reality ARE wild imaginary dreams whilst I sleep. Perhaps what I need is some guidance in how best to discern between those dreams and the spiritual events you refer?

The best way for you to learn the difference is to study yourself yourself. Don't let anybody else lead you to believe what your own dreams hold for you. Find your own way around in your own mind.

What methods do you use to try and initiate a spiritual event with the aliens or do you have to wait until they contact you?

The alien races are all working together and with their human contacts. The efforts run together for the same outcome, so things are happening by a schedule, in order and on time as needed, as well as possible. Things change, of course. The best laid plans may go awry. I don't know exactly what the plans are at any given time, or what is on the schedule at any moment, but I am well aware that things happen as they need to happen, and everyone is pretty busy at all times. I can request a meeting off the current topic for a personal reason but depending on the priority, I may have to wait for it. I can also talk with them from a distance and not require any meeting or event. I get in touch with them at any time, in a moment, just by thinking to them.

Usually when I have a request of them, it is for some information I want to get in response to a question I have, or something I read about or somebody has asked me that I don't know the answer to. My "avenue" of communication is open at all times, but they don't stop what they are doing just to chat, and often I wait a long time (weeks or months) to get answers to random, relatively unimportant questions. In that time, I may see them a number of times for more immediate things and not have any opportunity to ask any off topic questions.

Also, Jack and I, as all alien experiencers, are kept from being aware of many things we do with the aliens. Many things we can't know about at all because we would be harassed by agencies and groups for the information. It is also a large burden of stress to know too much, especially things we cannot understand on this physical level. We need to write everything down in detail to safeguard its integrity, figure it out, and keep it straight in our minds. It is a large responsibility that we do not take lightly. If we understand well on a higher level and there is no additional need for us to know on a physical level, we are spared the burden of it.

Just for the record, of course we want to know everything! But we have to live our normal daily lives first, raise our kids, work, socialize with friends, sleep. Too much would consume us. Our alien friends know what we need to know and don't, and on higher levels we speak for ourselves and come to all agreements.

One of the things Jack and I do often is travel out of body with alien life to meet other humans who have contact. We help them get to know their own alien contacts so they can see past their fear and make informed decisions of whether they want to participate with them. We continue to meet with them on that level, teach what we are learning and share our knowledge. On a physical level, we do not need to know specifically about all of these people. And it is not even our business to know so much of their private lives. We know some of them physically, and are aware of our meetings with them from time to time, but it is enough for us just to know that helping like this is something we do regularly.

I'd be very interested in hearing some descriptions of what you saw in your travels with the aliens?

What specific kind of thing would you be interested in hearing about?

Quite often, dreams are forgotten soon after you wake up. Are there methods to help remember your dreams?

Yes. Go to bed early enough every night to get enough sleep. Talk with yourself about paying attention through the night while you sleep, and decide that if you wake during the night, and in the morning, you will jot down the gist of what you were dreaming so you will not forget. Have pen and paper ready by the bedside lamp.

As soon as possible upon waking, write down your dreams in detail. No detail is too small. Write factually, point to point to point. Do not discriminate or neglect any point, however seemingly insignificant. The act of taking yourself back, starting at the beginning of what you recall, and inching your way forward through the order of events as you write them down, trains your mind to be more aware of all things as they happen. You will learn to recognize your own patterns of imagination, and then the key points will stand out above the mundane.

When you capture a dream by the edge of it, you can go deeper into it. Just hold your body still, take one or two slow deep breaths and focus on the clearest, earliest detail of the dream in your mind. Gently look around, see what you hear, see what you smell, look for familiar people. Move forward slowly. You can also try going backwards by retracing your steps- imagine yourself gently stepping, walking backwards in your mind. There are no rules for any of this, just make up your own ways. Use your own mind to discover what is in your own mind.

As soon as you start to practice these exercises, you will notice a large difference in your general awareness all day and night, physically and spiritually. The more regularly you do it, the better you will get at remembering everything that happens. Once or twice a day for 20 to 30 minutes is a good amount of time for an opportunity to grab onto anything that is there to grab.

Becoming aware is just like turning on the television. The programs are already running, and you just want to tune in and follow along.

The best way for you to learn the difference is to study yourself yourself.

That's not very helpful. Can you offer any assistance at all?

I get in touch with them at any time, in a moment, just by thinking to them.

Can you tell me how to do that?

Many things we can't know about at all because we would be harassed by agencies and groups for the information.

What groups and agencies would harrass you?

What specific kind of thing would you be interested in hearing about?

Things like the places you've been and the things you saw not of this Earth.

The best way for you to learn the difference is to study yourself yourself.

That's not very helpful. Can you offer any assistance at all?

I did, (Q). Start to meditate and watch your dreams. Start to learn on your own. It is the best way. Be patient. Try it.

I get in touch with them at any time, in a moment, just by thinking to them.

Can you tell me how to do that?

If you have alien contact, start thinking to them. Write down exactly what you want to say, then just think it to them. If you do not have alien contacts, think to your own spirit guides and ancestors anyway, and of course to the divine. Just see what happens.

Many things we can't know about at all because we would be harassed by agencies and groups for the information.

What groups and agencies would harrass you?

Govt agencies and ufo and spiritual groups of excitable people.

What specific kind of thing would you be interested in hearing about?

Things like the places you've been and the things you saw not of this Earth.

Ok, places I've been to. I have visited a few other worlds briefly for the purpose of learning from the experience so that I can tell others. It is very rare that alien life takes any humans away from Earth.

One that I have been to has a great deal of water all over the planet and lots of low trees or high bushes. There are lots of wood bridges and walkways built to get around the land. There is a great deal of marine life, and the marine life is equivalently evolved as the people, and communicate with the people.

Another I have visited has large land mass. It has water but I did not see it that I recall. The land is covered in vegetation that looks similar to wheat plains. They have no trees. They have animals wild and domestic, much further advanced and different from our own.

Another is a world of a race of beings of light. These people are as alive and physical as we are, but their bodies are made of light. They are "intelligent energy" and their home is a star. Their buildings are very tall and all white with no windows, tubular shapes, sloped down at the rooftops. They have no trees or any animal or marine life.

Things not of this Earth, that would be everything the aliens are and everything they have; all of their technologies. None of it is of this Earth. If you ask me more specifically what you want to know about, I will try to tell you, if I know anything about it.

Q, in your dreams. Sounds simple enough. ;)

Sounds like the same old game, with a different name. :rolleyes:

Q, in your dreams. Sounds simple enough. ;)

Sounds like the same old game, with a different name. :rolleyes:


Spiritual nature is no game. Universal life is no game. Come on, think broader than that.

EarthSister
Would you care to inform these people about the word spirit, spiritual, spirituality and where they are coined from? Please be as broad on this as you can.

FOCLMAO

EarthSister
Would you care to inform these people about the word spirit, spiritual, spirituality and where they are coined from? Please be as broad on this as you can.

"Natural."

FOCLMAO

What does FOCLMAO mean?

How about these:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=Bush+antichrist+666

Without you establishing under whose authority these ET’s are under you do not know who you are playing with, an intergalactic union of five galaxies does not suffice.

To know who your dealing with would also require an answer to another question:

Oh, well, as you have your own aliens here to talk to, would you ask them about that little war that someone lost in our solar system? Or, are all the races and or individuals you know Jesus Christ perfect?

Without these answers, you do not know who or what your dealing with, let alone what their technologies are to build such an elaborate story frame just for you to have the privilege to pass it on to others.

Do you really want to get caught with your pants down playing with the losers when the real authority shows up?
:D

Without you establishing under whose authority these ET’s are under you do not know who you are playing with, an intergalactic union of five galaxies does not suffice.

It suffices me to know myself who I am working with. I understand that you don't take my word for it. But it is my own experience, not just somebody else's word to me. I assess who and what I am dealing with by what I experience, not by what I am told by those who do not experience it. I know my alien contacts very well. They present themselves to me and my family and friends as nothing but professional, morally sound and spiritually motivated in their work. These are the beings I support as the leaders of their organization. All I can tell you is don't worry about the aliens, just worry about the humans.

To know who your dealing with would also require an answer to another question:
"Oh, well, as you have your own aliens here to talk to, would you ask them about that little war that someone lost in our solar system? Or, are all the races and or individuals you know Jesus Christ perfect?"

Why do you think there was a war in our solar system? To what are you alluding? Demons? Why do you believe it?

The alien races and individuals I know personally are not perfect, but no people are. They are just GOOD, upstanding, outstanding people with great intelligence and abilities, giving up their own lives, comfort, homes and families to work here to help our humanity get over some of our worst evolutional difficulties, and to help us out with some of our other visiting races. If somebody you know joined the peace corps to go work in one of our third world countries, would you criticize them for not being perfect, or would support them? Maybe ask if there was any little thing you could do to help out?

Without these answers, you do not know who or what your dealing with, let alone what their technologies are to build such an elaborate story frame just for you to have the privilege to pass it on to others.

You don't understand me very much and you assume too much. You don't understand that I have my answers to who the beings are. You don't have answers but you seem to be assuming the worst, perhaps by some religious belief.

Do you really want to get caught with your pants down playing with the losers when the real authority shows up?
:D

That statement makes no sense. Your "pants down" metaphor is inappropriate and does not even apply.

The authority is already here. Our visiting races are now organized, working together under the guidance of the most advanced of them. Their authority is a larger organization of races beyond them.

God is with us all. Is that what you are waiting for me to say?

If you ask me more specifically what you want to know about, I will try to tell you, if I know anything about it.

That's exactly what I was asking about, thanks. If you can share any more of those descriptions, that would be great.

I'll work on your methods and see what comes of it.

http://www.iw.net/~a_plutonium/

The website of Archemedes Plutonium includes various homegrown scientific theories, as well as a journal/autobiography that starts in 1950!

I looked for the website of Panawave Laboratories, the lastest incarnation of the Aum Shinrikyo cult, but it seems to be gone. For a while, they had some really wacky drawings on there, and explanations in Japanese of their anti-electromagnetic field beliefs.

How about this one:
http://www.futurehorizons.net/time2.htm

Where you can buy a time machine for $500

and the inventor interview

http://www.v-j-enterprises.com/timetrav.html

Asking whose authority these so called ET’s that are here, of yours of course, are under does not hold any assumptions or religious nuance. Authority is the first and main concern of anyone being contacted by an outside entity otherwise you might as well be playing with smoke and mirrors or some interesting technology.

The war in our solar system is very evident, establishing whose authority and witch side of the conflict your ET’s were on, only leaves the logical deduction the losers are stuck here with nothing more at their disposal than us humans.
:D

FieryIce

I don't think Earthsister is aware of that war. Perhaps you and Norval could help educate her and she can then in turn find out from her alien contacts the skinny?

Asking whose authority these so called ET’s that are here, of yours of course, are under does not hold any assumptions or religious nuance. Authority is the first and main concern of anyone being contacted by an outside entity otherwise you might as well be playing with smoke and mirrors or some interesting technology.

The war in our solar system is very evident, establishing whose authority and witch side of the conflict your ET’s were on, only leaves the logical deduction the losers are stuck here with nothing more at their disposal than us humans.
:D

FieryIce

I don't know what you are talking about. (Q) is right. Please fill me in on what you believe this war to be and why you believe it.

You say it is evident. How is that? Show me where. The only warring I see is among humans on Earth.

EarthSister,

I believe their theory is that crater chains (rows of craters) are the remnants of unguided nuclear bombs being drop in rows in strafing attacks by alien space ships against alien bases across all the planets of the solar system. I think according to them the attacking space fleet won and the losers were banished to the earth.

Not too bad a rendering there WCF. :)
Yes, there is a web site about crater chain research and investigations that propose war in our solar system. www.craterchains.com or you can even google it. But indeed, do ask you lil buddies about that war. :D

Well I still like the Exploding Neqeuim theory: the one were aliens blow up the bombs in rows for some form of sexual/orgy ritual. It makes even better sense they your theory in many ways. If you wait for me get stoned and drunk enough I’m sure EN could come by and argue you about it.

the one were aliens blow up the bombs in rows for some form of sexual/orgy ritualWait... that was Mars?

Talk about range....

FieryIce, craterchains (Norval,

I am reading up on craterchains, and I also asked my alien contacts to "give me the skinny" but please don't think they answer every question I ask them. If they tell me anything, I will let you know.

Why is it you dismiss this natural explanation for craterchains, if I understand it right?
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap980801.html

Why is it you dismiss this natural explanation for craterchains, if I understand it right?

That has been the repeated question. Norval has yet to clarify.

I would suspect that the question would be of very little importance to the aliens as it is understood these are natural phenomenae, or it would be of great importance in that the aliens would know a great deal about intergalactic wars being fought in our solar system.

Regardless, perhaps Earthsister's friends could put that subject to rest once and for all.

The question to establish whose authority and witch side of the conflict your ET’s were on is highly significant. Norval posted the research web page.

The war in our solar system was extensive, so much so that all the information control and acquisition maggots have crawled out of the woodwork.
:D

So basically even if the aliens them selves say that there was no stellar war and your full of shit, you will disregarded their testimony as part of their information control policies?

If so do you live huddle in a corner, in a fetal position with a tin foil hat on?

The question to establish whose authority

That's a very funny statement. Since when did ones authority here contravene their credibility or lack thereof?

If my contacts say anything to me about craterchains, I will repeat it here, but I never expect or depend on belief from forum and message board members, and I am not offended by the lack of it.

Many of the things I know from alien life rub against the grain of the ufo field. In order for me to be able to share them I have to expect disbelief. It's not a problem for me, really. What I say should not carry any more weight for you than what others say. You have to think for yourself, no matter what. Don't follow anybody.

There seems to be information acquisition, manipulation and control agents in all aspects of our lives. Religions, governments, education systems, and so on and so on. That said I would question just about everything I have come to accept as the “normal” way of life here in the usa. The bullshit gets so deep at times that even the looks on peoples faces when they give the news gives it away.

WHY do some question the given current crater chain theories such as volcanism or subsidence or a broken up space what ever caused these in line craters? Because as it was said right here at scifoolems forums that it is about as mathematically possible for them to occur just once in our solar system, not the hundreds of times we count, but just once is about the same odds as you winning every lotto on earth for the next six months. :D
That and military experience with automated fire control systems.

There seems to be

So, you're not really sure, are you?

That said I would question just about everything I have come to accept as the “normal” way of life

Then perhaps it is merely your own paranoia rather than conspiracy.

The bullshit gets so deep at times that even the looks on peoples faces when they give the news gives it away.

Most people make decisions based on the information provided rather than the looks on the faces of the informant.

WHY do some question the given current crater chain theories such as volcanism or subsidence or a broken up space what ever caused these in line craters?

Quite simply because it can be shown they are of a natural occurence whereas alien wars have not been shown to be the cause.

So Q, you lock a thread where comments are given about Mercury and the crater chains that astronomers see there and have named, but.

If you wish to discuss Craterchains please create a thread to do so in the appropriate forum. This thread will not be used for that discussion. Closed.
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Then you come over here hijack and disrupt the conversation and questions?!?!
What an ass hole you are Q

Then you come over here hijack and disrupt the conversation and questions?!?!

Perhaps you didn't notice, but I created this thread. And I am responding to your posts, that is what forums are all about.

What an ass hole you are Q

That is your own personal problem which I care little about.

And as I stated, if you want to talk about Craterchains, start a new thread.

STDD = Same Tactics Different Day