Ive recently read this reviev on a book written by a serial killer (cant remember who but im sure some one will know) and he mentions that killing some one is a desire that we all have and serial killers are people who just live out their fantasies.

Whose thought about or planned killing someone because you just had the urge to do it, or even better whose a full-time serial killer?

I killed many a box of serial...er cereal

I thought the very same thing the first time I heard the words "serial killer."

The only Mass killing I intend to do is a University Student Populous!!!!


Oh I always neglected the full details...
In a NETWORKED QUAKE ARENA!!!

Maybe some Paint pellet shootings, water pistols, spud guns...
No more TEKKEN though.

Okay, stryde, I'm going to walk towards you now, please, give me the gun, that's right, nice and easy now...

I'm only putting the water pistol down if you put the super-soaker down first! Don't rush me though, I'm armed with Water bombs.

jummy.. cereal frags! :):D

I, at first, found abhorant the idea of killing for fun. Then I realized that god doesn't require us to eat everything we kill. Therefore, most killing is not out of necessity but out of elective spirit.

In his image, smite for fun and profit! :D

:D

This thread reminds me of a poem I picked to do for LA. Its kinda cool. I like the ending. (BTW I'm not one of those gay people who reads poems for fun

Tit for Tat
Walter de la Mare

Have you been catching fihs, Tom Noddy?
Have you sanred a weeping hare?
Have you whistled "No Nunny" and gunned a poor bunny,
Or blinded a bird of the air?

Have you trod like a murderer through the green woods,
Through the dewy deep dingles and glooms,
While every small creature screamed shrill to Dame Nature
"He comes - and he comes!"?

Wonder I very much do, Tom Noddy,
If ever, when of you oroam,
An ogre from space will stoop a lean face,
And lug you home:

Lug you home over his fence, Tom Noddy,
Of thorn-sticks none yards high,
With your bent knees strung round his old iron gun
And you head a dan dangling by:

And hung you up stiff on a hook, Tom Noddy,
From a stone-cold pantry shelf,
Whence your eyes will glare in an empty stare,
Till you are cooked yourself!

Something to think about before you kill someone or something for pleasure. I saw a story on sciforums about alien abductions in brazil, and this guy got his goodies pulled our of a narrow special spot. I wont elaborate. Anyway, signs were that the incisions all over his body, particularly head were done when he was alive, and they were to advanced for our technology because his various organs were pulled out from extremely small holes throughout the body. The story made me sick, and the only reason I'm posting this kindof disgusting stuff is to get my point across, what do we do when an ogre bigger than us comes along? I doubt that brazillian guy ever had much pity for anything either way.

Good question ("... what do we do when an ogre bigger than us comes along?")
and I imagine we'll do what we've always done: We'll unite and kill the mother ...
and then go back to killing each other. ;)

Take care.

You are all such neanderthals, aren´t you? :D

Well, it´s good as long as you keep your killing frenzy within the virtual world.
Now which one was that again...this one? Or this? ;)

-Now which one was that again...this one? Or this?

BlamBLAM
What did you say? I forgot. :D

now that's interseting... i'm not sure if it's even a human weakness/flaw... but i'm pretty sure everyone must have the desire to kill some one now and then... and i'm pretty sure that most of the time no one feels guilty... wait i lost the topic didnt i? oh well.. nevermind...

does anyone have anything intilectual to say on this topic????

If I must.
There are times when I get, not an urge, but momentarily visualize myself in acts of extreme violence. Let me exemplify:

If im in a room with people sitting down, I may get the image of walking up to one of them and burying an elbow or knee in their nose.

I've never actually done it, but his it's the closest to homicidal tendancies I get.

Does this make me psychopathic?

I do the same thing, esp. I sure hope yer not crazy 'cause that would mean I am too! I don't do it too often, though, its been awhile since I have, but your post just reminded me aboot it.

Thank Frell for that.
I may not be normal, but at least now I know I'm not alone!
:)

Esp

Lets imagine that for instance that there was a great study/test of us civillians to see how many are capable of violent acts, and that such a thought/hallucination/visual is placed just to test your reaction to see if your life is going to end up passing through some clinic or prison motel.

I just say make sure that your reality never merges with that pseudo-reality (don't get involved with drugs or your start to lose the difference of real from unreal)

By all means sit there and think about hitting someone, but make sure you bring up a score in the right-bottom corner, and a timer in the right-top corner. Then you can just palm it off to playing too many quake games.

(Personally the only time I get like that is when walking along a pavement filled with Old people looking at a Market on a Monday, they don't walk fast OR IN STRAIGHT LINES, and it gets on my nerves to the point of muttering under my breath... one of these days I'm going to be out with one of those Aerosol Air horns, then we will see if those Old people dart to the sides like Shy rabbits (or drop to the floor, with a heart attack... oops.. sorry my imaginations getting carried away..)

P.S.
I wouldn't really do that... but my bloodpressure does get too high for me to be out in a crowd that feels more like a que.

Stryder is right, its alot to do with stress.

Nowadays we got all these stress causing influences coming at us from every direction. This is just like an instinct in reaction to stress. Our pancreas secretes high amounts of sugar into the blood stream so we can have energy when we need to run from or attack our problems.Blood pools in our extremeties, our breathing and heart rates are faster, well you get the point. We want to vent these pressures. We wouldnt vent our pressures on ogres bigger than us, we would run away. We would however beat on old and frail people as stryder wants to:D scince he cant beat much else.

Edgar allan poe clearly illustrated all these urges we want to but wouldnt act on, most of us anyway. Look at his novel the telltale heart. Think of the creepy psychopath as stryder and that old guy he chops up as the people in the market.

maybe I'm exageratting a little bit, but my point is we want to. All this stress, the small things, bug us and build up.

Its just as unhealthy to act on it as letting it build up. Like I dont need to tell you guys how it can lead to ulcers and insomnia.

Human population surges to unprecedented probably unnatural and unhealthy levels.

There are many reasons to set human behavior to react against general population pressure:
->high population density and the spread of disease.
->competition for local resources.
as well as specific reasons:
->competition for mates
->competition for space (crowded bar effect)

Are we hitting a critical mass? What would that mean?

Mathematically rigorous predictions roughly ten years ago based on real population growth data, fit best to a function with an asymptote at 2050. Essentially infinite population.

Obviously something else will happen. I certainly hope it isn't random violence like that seen in serial killers and the recent instances of high school shootings.
The scary thing is it might be a normal and natural reaction being magnified by the amazingly fast changes technology has enabled in the way we live. Our society is scary in that it just does what it can do. We grow like cancer with little coordination and forethought. Let's hope people start to think before they reach a point where freewill is gone to an impulse to act.

Elbaz

I might take that all as personal, and beat you up you Ogre! :p

What I wrote was for a laugh, admittedly I do mutter things (well I don't actually voice them) but I do know they are frail and old and I shouldn't scare them or do anything to harm them. (But the Airhorn seems funnier than it actually would be)

Psychosis is far beyond just agression, I mean it must be similar to becoming bored with something, namely too much of something that annoys a person slightly makes them burst into an unquestionable rage like temporary insanety.

(Which I know nothing of Elbaz)

If you want to know my current state of mind Elbaz...Well at first reading your reply... Not anger.. just "cheeky little blighter, I'll get him back!" and alot of laughing but not the Mwhahaha kind.
Personally I just get real cheeky and loud about being so instead of stressed, and anyway your not weaving from side to side at -1mph.

Is our population hitting a critical mass?

On page 282 of his book,Consilience, the biologist E.O. Wilson writes;

"If everyone agreed to become vegetarian, leaving nothing for livestock, the present 1.4 billion acres of arable land would support about 10 billion people".

While;
"...all plant photosynthesis (on the entire planet), if used as food, could support about 16 billion people".

The last I checked, the world population was approaching 6 billion.

BTW, on the subject of resources vs. population he gives this insightful example which I do not quote here verbatim;

Suppose one lillypad introduced onto a lake doubles every year in size until after 30 years the entire lake is covered solidly in lilypads. In which of the 30 years were there half lily pads and half open lake?

The answer certainly got my attention!

Thanks,
Michael

Easy.
Year 29.

Nice analogous tool.......oh my god!!!

Orthogonal,
Good comments on pop growth. The 29th year of course. Though prior to the aids epidemic in Africa the mathematical model showed population to be growing faster than exponential. Exponentials reach infinity in infinite time - something with a pole or asymptote reaches infinity in finite time.

Population growth and the carrying capacity of earth is certainly a concern. In the context of killing for fun and people mentioning violent flashes - especially in the context of being crowded in with old people the possibility that humans are not behaviorly stable at such high populations as can be acheived by strict considerations of resources is scary yet interesting.

Think of riots and how normally non-violent people change behavior. Like a phase transition. Water to ice. Peace to war.

Politicians only worry about the problems now. In a changing world you have to think about the problems of tomorrow.

Now I know what to get stryder for christmas -
an axe!:D

Elbaz

I'm not a lumberjack, although I am living next to a forest (with deer). Although I'm not one to say "I don't want your prezzie" because a prezzies a prezzie, but if it doesn't plug into my console I'll have to take it back and ask for a refund.

So you never use hardware tools as interface with your comp, Stryder?
How civilized. I always keep a hammer handy :D

Both genetics and hormones predispose a man towards aggressive behavior. Young men appear to be particularly affected. However, a man's rational mind normally counters violent, anti-social behavior. A moderate level of aggressive behavior serves as a useful survival trait, but only if coupled with reason. Throughout history, those men who lost their heads and ran amok, tended quite literally, to lose their heads.

Don't worry esp, your violent urges don't mark you as a psychopath, unless of course you act on them. An aggressive nature is only one aspect among many that makes a man. While Camille Paglia might be guilty of overstatement when she writes,"There is no female Mozart because there is no female Jack-The-Ripper", she does make the point.

Esp, when I was your age (20 years ago), rather than forever repressing my excess aggressions, I found a socially benign outlet for them in amateur boxing. I experienced a particular satisfaction when my left hook, along with as much force from my upper body as I could plant behind it, found its way onto the right temple of some poor schmuck's head. On the other hand, there is nothing quite so humbling as getting squared with a punch you never saw coming. Seriously esp, boxing is an excellent sport. You might give it a try.

A Modest Proposal ;)

When I was in boot camp, there was an institution in place for preventing small arguments from escalating into uncontrolled fights. If you had a grievance with another guy you could challenge him to "train" with you on the following Saturday morning in the boxing ring (ala,A Cool Hand Luke).

I wonder if such an institution might be useful in our society at large? Imagine, if instead of clogging up our court system with their petty diagreements, two jerks might agree to simply abide by the outcome of say five, two-minute rounds in the ring (and waive any claims of resulting bodily injury). I wonder if the occasional broken jaw would actually constitute less violence than we suffer from the occasional nut case "going postal", believing he's been wronged in the courts.

But here is the best part: Trainers would replace lawyers! Also, referees would replace judges. Instead of paying citizens to appear for jury duty, we could instead charge admission to these boxing matches. The entire judicial system might become self-supporting! Am I on to something big here?

Michael

Orthogonal, so what about small shitty boxers frustrated about always getting their asses kicked. They might be more likely to go postal. Intersting idea though.

"When my hard drive acts up, I just save myself the trouble of fidgitting with the settings and throw it up against the wall"

Does this relate to any of you. It relates to all of us, thats the answer. EVERYONE has aggression in them.


(stryder, the axe was ment for those old people as in the telltale heart. Although i suppose you could also have the option of using if on your console.:cool: )

A Colt 44 @ 20 paces (the great equalizer) would settle the dispute ... like
permanently in many cases. Though, admittedly, there isn't the satisfaction
of physical conact.

Oh well, can't have everything. ;)

Take care.

Scilosopher and Chagur both see cracks in my satirical proposal. It requires a man of honor to admit defeat in a fair fight. The situation I presented would likely involve anything but men of honor. Back to the drawing board.

Once upon a time (actually, in the 19th century), the Monarch of Belgium (if I remember correctly) became involved in a personal dispute with another European monarch. It went so far that the papers talked briefly of war. At one point the King of Belgium was asked, rather than bring his country to war if it might be more humane if he and the other monarch instead meet in a personal duel? The King answered; "A blacksmith possessing tongs does not retrieve his iron from the fire with his bare hand". Eventually, the dispute was resolved without resorting to war. But the King's recorded reply illustrates an eternal thorn in the side of man. A rogue male will use any means at his disposal to produce his desired outcome.

I attended high school in St. Louis, Missouri back in the mid-seventies. I had my share of street fights growing up. But the thought never crossed my mind that the kid I knocked down, might return with a gun and kill me. Certainly, we knew all bets were off when we occasionally tangled with the blacks from up in the North end of the city. But we all knew that middle class boys from Catholic schools didn't kill each other over insults and fist fights. Having moved away from the city many years ago, I've no idea if that is still the case.

Michael

Mr. taylan007 - I am a Darth Vader for those kind of people.

Ive recently read this reviev on a book written by a serial killer (cant remember who but im sure some one will know) and he mentions that killing some one is a desire that we all have and serial killers are people who just live out their fantasies.



I have never given thought to kill anyone, punch them sure,but never so bad as to kill them but just hurt them.

Ive recently read this reviev on a book written by a serial killer (cant remember who but im sure some one will know) and he mentions that killing some one is a desire that we all have and serial killers are people who just live out their fantasies.



Oooooo......................some people these days like to make up horseshit to satisfy somebody's boring life. Killing isn't cool. Hehe,it's weird why can't some people just admit they are ordinary beings instead of trying stupidly to be abnormal.