This just in from slashdot:

<i>"According to <a href="http://cinescape.com/0/editorial.asp?aff_id=0&amp;this_cat=Television&amp;action= page&amp;type_id=&amp;cat_id=270355&amp;obj_id=40630">Cinscape.com</a>
The Star Trek Enterprise set is awash with rumour that it will not be
renewed for a 4th season, It was previous told it was safe by <a href="http://www.upn.com/">UPN</a> but so was Enteprise's lead-out show <a href="http://www.upn.com/shows/jake/">Jake 2.0</a> which was just <a href="http://www.trektoday.com/news/160104_01.shtml">Cancelled</a>. Star Trek: Enterprise has also been reduced to <a href="http://www.greatlink.org/dcisV2.asp?url=http://www.greatlink.org/shownewsitem.asp?item=2892">24 episodes</a> this season by UPN, things don't look good for the <a href="http://www.startrek.com/">Star Trek</a> Television Franchise and after the <a href="http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=startrek10.htm">flop</a> of <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0253754/">Star Trek: Nemesis</a> it could be many years before we ever see any new Star Trek outside of books."</i>

Of course, I won't miss Enterprise. And thank you Rick Berman for running ST into the ground, great job. Really.

about time and good riddens. :D

What they needed to do, instead of making series about a temporal cold war, is make a series about time. A time ship would bee uber cool. Or better yet, why not go back to the olden days of Captain Pike and restart his adventures. Or even better! Have a DS9 spin off! Star Trek: Defiant! I like it!

Just please stop this let's have T'Pol naked every five seconds, Archer going to blow up and hate everyone, the ship looks like crap and the stoires are crap, crap. I am tired of this series. I have to say that I liked one episode of Enterprise, the episode in which Archer looses his memory (Twilight).

Stop being such wankers, Enterprise is a good series on its own and you know it. It sure beats the crap out of DS9 for one thing, that two bit excuse for a star trek series was like watching a bad soap opera aimed at women in their forties.

The third season has been good episode after good episode and the whole thing is finally starting to become involving. Who gives a flying intercourse whether it's true to the original or not, I sure as hell would like to see it continue on the air.

I prefer Andromedia better than Enterprise but they both aren't that great.

I think Farscape kicks ass all over Star Trek, even though I am a bit of a Trekkie.

Star Trek: The Next Generation was the best series, in my opinion. DS9 was okay for the first few seasons and then got really cool when the Federation went to war with the Dominion. And the USS Defiant was the best ship in any series.

Andromeda is one of my favorite shows on the air right now, but I don't know if it's better than Star Trek: TNG or DS9 in its glory days.

Well to be honest, Farscapr was "by far and away, and without a shadow of a doubt" one of the shittest sci-fi series ever. I mean, i watched the whole first series KNOWING it was degraded and low. After that i walked away and now just laugh at it in scorn.

By the way, Enterprise is easily the worst version of ST.
While watching it, i can almost hear the corporate executives milking the cow of creativity dry.................
(i only ever watched a couple and then stoppped- cause it was awful)

Well it was pretty obvious that the whole ST well ran dry sometime during Voyager, that entire series sort of turned into week after week of seeing what pro-wrestler Janeway and the crew were going to fight in the next episode.

Well to be honest, Farscapr was "by far and away, and without a shadow of a doubt" one of the shittest sci-fi series ever. I mean, i watched the whole first series KNOWING it was degraded and low. After that i walked away and now just laugh at it in scorn.

By the way, Enterprise is easily the worst version of ST.
While watching it, i can almost hear the corporate executives milking the cow of creativity dry.................
(i only ever watched a couple and then stoppped- cause it was awful)

The first series of Farscape did suck, the rest were good.

And you can't judge a series by watching a couple of episodes and walking away, every single spin off star trek series has sucked the first couple of seasons.

I was lucky enough to miss the first few seasons of Farscape, which, as far as I have seen, totally blew. I think after Season 3 the show became better than anything science fictiony on television that had ever before been created. So, really, give it a chance. You don't know what you're missing.

As for Enterprise, I've only seen one episode, and it did kind of suck. Don't hate Berman too much, he did put together some pretty good movies, except for the last one.

fair 'nuf.............

pro-wrestler Janeway

What, you didn't like "Better Dead than Alien" Janeway? It's not like she destroyed entire civilizations or anything. I was personally waiting for the backlash in that show when all the people they pissed off finally got to the Earth ~ 100 years later.

Star Trek: The Next Generation was the best series, in my opinion.I thought so too. In fact, probably my favorite TV show of all time. (And I go back to Howdy Doody and "Tom Corbett: Space Cadet." That's a lot of TV to choose from. ^_^) TNG had fabulous writing and really good stories. The one where the judge had to decide whether Data was a person or they could just haul him off to a lab and tear him down. The one about Ardra, nobody could really prove that she wasn't the planet's god. Too many to count. It's a shame that all scifi shows have to degenerate into interstellar war before they attract the general public. People just love to see things blow up (and hear them blow up -- in a bloody vacuum). The Borg plotline turned a nice philosophical program into just one more endless series of explosions.DS9 was okay for the first few seasons and then got really cool when the Federation went to war with the Dominion.Actually I thought it deteriorated when it became about nothing but war, just like TNG. The Bajoran spirituality, the Ferengi commercialism, even the Cardassian political intrigue, that stuff was more interesting than yet another TV show about endless explosions.I think Farscape kicks ass all over Star Trek, even though I am a bit of a Trekkie.I won't argue. I loved it and I miss it terribly. It achieved the rare success of a long-running, episodic story that stayed coherent and managed to keep the explosions to a minimum. The characters were very sympathetic.Andromeda is one of my favorite shows on the air right now.You lost me there. It's been almost nothing but explosions since it started. The Wayist philosophical thing was nice but they let it slide. Tyr was a great, complex character with real depth, but they lost him to a soap opera, a genre that is in greater danger of extinction than non-violent scifi. Even Trance was cool, but the marketeers decided that she had to look less purple and more sexy to bring in the "Man Show" audience, as if Rommy herself isn't enough of a babe for them.

At least you didn't mention Earth: Final Conflict. My wife loved it and watched every episode twice, but I swear I could never even understand what the hell was happening from one episode to the next.

Not a word about Stargate? It's really gelled. Well drawn universe, interesting, fragile balance among the various aliens, sympathetic characters, a minimum of explosions. They were even cool enough to make fun of themselves over the fact that everywhere they go people speak English.

Or the only other show that really challenged TNG for best show ever: Babylon 5? Similar in so many ways. Hard to understand why so many people only liked one but not the other.

Other shows I remember fondly, although you might not include them here. (In the 1960s we said that SF stood for "speculative fiction," so there was no need to distinguish fantasy from science fiction.) Highlander: took itself seriously, avoided descending from drama into melodrama, very well drawn and sympathetic characters. Tracker: My wife says it's about time women get to see a hot dude like Adrian Paul run around in skivvies for a change. Dark Angel: I was crestfallen that we didn't get to see them find a way out of that season-closing confrontation; damn the "homeland security" mentality for nagging a show that hit way too close to home off the air. Witchblade: shaping up to be as good as Highlander; damn Yancy for letting her addiction to sauce bring this show to an abrupt end. The Chronicle: nothing wrong with a little humor -- well a lot of humor -- nice to see Rena Sofer back on the air.

I was a fan of ST:TOS as a kid, and enjoyed TNG. DS9 left me cold and I stopped watching it about halfway through. I never could stand STV.

But Enterprise has had its moments. There were a few episodes that were truly great and many good episodes. But the Berman curse has kicked in again. He keeps trying to lay on some sort of artificial plot that comes out of nowhere that really ruins the show. The whole "time travel" thing was annoying but fortunately didn't come up too often. But the "interstellar terrorists strike earth" thing has really ruined the show for me. I haven't watched the show at all this season -- every time I've started to watch an episode there's been something so corny right at the beginning that I simply turn it off. Not worth the effort.

I think it is time to let the whole franchise die. This will be beneficial in several ways. First, with any luck, it'll get Berman out of television, or at least out of anything I'll ever watch again. Second, after time, I think people will be more able to accept and appreciate non-Trek SF, shows like Firefly. And who knows, maybe twenty years from now someone will think of a truly original way to resurrect the ST universe in a way that we can appreciate.

:m: Peace.

well, as a bona-fide trekkie I have to say it's time to let it go, not just enterprise but Andromeda too ... ESPECIALLY Andromeda. The thought of a tv season without trek of somekind is sad but not nearly as sad as the shows their putting out. I don't hate Enterprise, the series had a promising little premise but they just ended up regurgitating the earlier series' using different people. I had hope for the concept but it turned out to be more of the same under a thin veneer of bad music and worse stories.

And christ! don't get me started on Andromeda ... I just scratch my head as to how a series as genuinely unique and well executed as Firefly could be cancelled half way through the first season and yet andromeda can remain on the air for four (or is it 5 now?) years. Andromeda ... a program that, in drama, effects, acting and story quality makes Lost in Space look like a speilberg/shakespear production. It truly boggles the mind.

I just watched the firefly dvd and im still shaking my head, that was a seriously well crafted piece of sci-fi for tv. I'm starting to suspect Fox is run by a magic 8-ball and a pair of fuzzy dice, then again the only network that doesn't make me want to sandpaper my eyeballs on a daily basis is HBO.

I found an answer though, I sold my tv.

Buffys,

Andromeda doesn't cost 1.1 Million an episode. Firefly was good, I admit that, which is why we're getting a movie (Check the forums/internet for this information)!

Actually, I believe that Entersuck is getting better. I've watched a few episodes that haven't been that bad. So maybe it's turning around? Who knows? Only time (And a cencellation) will tell.

Cost is certainly an issue but andromeda is crap on every level.

The acting is ... adequate at best where firefly was very good at worst (since andromeda and firefly both used no-names for the most part i doubt firefly had much, if any, financial advantage yet its the superior by a large margin). The effects in andromeda are horrible (but effects are very expensive so ill let that slide).

To me it's the difference in quality of the stories on a weekly basis, the arc of the story as a whole and the individual character's arcs (and lack there of) that represent the biggest gap between the two programs. Andromeda isn't just weak in this regard, it's actually painful to behold. It's truly some of the worst writing ive ever seen and wages can't explain away that level of incompetence.

So as I said I accept budget as a mitigating factor but it can't account for anywhere near that kind of garbage. I've seen flash animated movies on the internet using lego people that were more clever.

Enterprise is better, I really don't mind it at all but the best praise i can give it is its not terrible. I just think they need a hiatus to get their shit together as a franchise, maybe just waiting until the old guard dies or retires to try again. Or possibly the death of the movies and tv series' will put the fear of god into them and force them to take some risks, I'm not sure but the status quo is unacceptable.

I'm not saying "DEATH TO TREK!", just that its time to seriously rethink their direction. I'd rather have nothing at all than mediocrity, star trek has gone the disney route ... safe and boring.

Sorry for the rant but my recent run in with firefly really showed me how static and unoriginal trek has become.

In defence of enterprize it is a very good show, and i dont particularly like star trek, maybe its because i havnt seen a lot of star trek episodes so if anything on enterprize has been repeated from other versions of star trek its new to me, but i like it, they've done well considering they had to make weapons and everything worse than they were before, i think all shows run outta ideas at some point, i gave up with farscape, and stargate SG1s been a bit crappy l8ly, I think DS9 is one of the worst sci-fi series i've ever seen though

Yeah OK, I get it that a bunch of you passionately dislike Enterprise and even feel that the Star Trek series is as dead as swing music. So watch something else or read a book!

We enjoy it, certainly more than most of what's on TV these days. Frankly if I were in charge of the series I'd move it forward a couple centuries after the end of DS9 and Voyager and pick up the galaxy at that point. We'd have exactly one point of continuity: Data. Well his twin brother that they found in that stupid movie anyway, but it would be Brent Spiner who was one of the most versatile actors in the show. He could be allowed to age, after 250 years he would probably choose to look a little more like an "elder," that would fit the plot and his personality.

If you want to pull some of the drenn off TV and make room for something you enjoy, just start at the top of the Neilsen Ratings and work your way down. Dump American Idol, Survivor, and all those reality and talk shows that are so cheap to produce that they drive everything else off the screen. Put wrestling on a separate channel and you can't watch it without getting your forehead permanently branded like a Jaffa, so we can avoid its fans if we accidentally run into one of them.

Whatever happened to the promise of subscription TV? We're paying six hundred bucks a year and it's still almost entirely commercially supported, which means it's programmed by advertising maggots to appeal to the lowest common denominator and there's no bandwidth for the rest of us. If everybody who wanted to keep Dark Angel or Farscape on the air was willing to pay just fifty cents a week per show, that would cover production costs of at least a million dollars an episode.

In 1952 my parents moved us to Tucson, Arizona. We had a TV set but there would be no stations in Tucson for another year. My pop put up a really tall antenna and could barely pick up the stations in Phoenix, 100 miles away. Black and white, half a century ago, full of snow, two channels, signoff at midnight -- and some days I think there were more, better shows then!

I'm new, but I like the Enterprise series. I think we have some work to do, but atleast this series (I consider all Star Trek productions a single programs since "we' wanted it) expands on the premise (even if in a retro fashion). Maybe next we can have a series from the Klingon of Romulan perspective.

Of course thats just me...

radarman014

You know , Having been a Hardcore Janeway fan , I was very skeptical of this series. Enterprize seems to have one badly written episode after another , However LAST NIGHT was a decent episode ... I am partialy wondering if this is more to do with the curse of Scott Backula having to be in every episode ... The episode about T'pal getting married lastnight was very very good , with that exception ... perhalps like all ships , she really needs a good captin .... or a Seven of nine...

I saw the first few episodes and then I moved and our comcast digital cable has a billion chanels, but no UPN. I think all the spin offs needed a few years to get their bearings. Next generation kind of sucked at first, until about the time Warf started wearing a pony tail. If it survives, it could still turn out all right.

I haven't seen all of the 2nd or 3rd seasons of Enterprise, but it's been OK on the whole from what I have seen. The big problems are endless recycling of plot ideas from the previous Treks, while abandoning continuity with them (why did Enterprise feature the Ferengi and the Borg, when neither race has official contact with humanity until the Next Generation timeframe 2 centuries later?!)

It's good that this series has given the Andorians some actual screentime for a change, as they were supposed to be key and founder members of the Federation - whom we didn't see AT ALL in TNG, DS9 or Voyager! The Tellarites, too should show up more. Though I guess it's pointless asking for an Enterprise appearance of the Gorn or the Tholians, who I had vaguely hoped would show up in TNG or DS9 - attractively alien aliens, better than your standard lumpy-headed humanoids, whose potential for serious villainy was simply forgotten. The Xindi are interesting, however.

I don't like the way Hoshi Sato's linguistic role was quickly marginalised - it had promised to be fun, seeing a starship crew muddle along without depending on perfect translation technology.

Since the founding of the Federation has been fixed at 2161 by previous Star Trek chronologies, it's less than a decade away from the date of current Enterprise continuity. Humans, Vulcans and Andorians, as portrayed in the series, clearly have a lot of work to do before they can become socially compatible enough for a unified government. The main plot arc of the series, if it continues beyond the Xindi storyline, should be based on this.

I liked Enterprise more than DS9 actually, and a lot more than Voyager. Enterprise wasn't as... how can I put this... gay. The people acted like real people would, and not like the ideal military officer who always follows protocol and never backtalks. The way the episodes were tied together into one long story arc was much better than the old 'random event' episodes.

There's some things I don't like though, stupid time plots are one of them. Nazi aliens... I mean really did we have to go into that AGAIN?

Not come across that episode yet: but I agree that we see too much about Nazis and how evil they were in TV documentaries (the various history channels devote a vastly disproportionate share of their scheduling to WWII). We don't need it dredged up repeatedly in science fiction as well.

How 'bout a series involving an organization of interstellar diplomats, who spend their time settling arguments between Human colonies/empires and aliens? The main point of diplomacy is not to get your head kicked in--so no boring wars and explosions, but plenty of tension as trouble is avoided in each episode.

You seem to be following up a lot of my posts, Xylene - perhaps we think alike?

Your idea about a series based on interstellar diplomacy and avoiding conflict: that was the initial premise behind Babylon 5. It was intended as a diplomatic space station where humanity would host embassies from as many alien powers as possible. Of course, war was required to keep public interest in the show - but it always remained more orientated to talk than to action. The central characters never wanted their wars.

You seem to be following up a lot of my posts, Xylene - perhaps we think alike?

Your idea about a series based on interstellar diplomacy and avoiding conflict: that was the initial premise behind Babylon 5. It was intended as a diplomatic space station where humanity would host embassies from as many alien powers as possible. Of course, war was required to keep public interest in the show - but it always remained more orientated to talk than to action. The central characters never wanted their wars.

Actually, Starthane Xyzth, it's an idea I've been working on for a long time. It occurred to me a few years ago that when Humans eventually get out into the Galaxy, beyond our own solar system, we're probably going to be running into all sorts of alien cultures. As soon as we do encounter any, from then on we're going to have to negotiate almost every step of our way. The Interstellar Diplomatic Corps are going to be very important. I've written a number of short stories about their activities, which you can find on the site Writing.com. Google the name Roxalann, and you'll find 7 stories that I've put on that site so far about her work. :)

Looks interesting, Xylene - perhaps I will join that site when I have time, though by a different name, naturally... I see you've got a lot more than 7 stories now, you must be a prolific keyboard cruncher!

I love that expression "Google the name...", a perfect example of ongoing linguistic evolution. Perhaps the noun Google will become a charted verb in standard English..?

Looks interesting, Xylene - perhaps I will join that site when I have time, though by a different name, naturally... I see you've got a lot more than 7 stories now, you must be a prolific keyboard cruncher!

I love that expression "Google the name...", a perfect example of ongoing linguistic evolution. Perhaps the noun Google will become a charted verb in standard English..?

I've written over 200 stories, mostly sci-fi...as for my use of Google, that's the way most languages change over time, as you'll know. The form of the word remains the same, but the meaning shifts through people finding other ways to use it.

Xylene, if you ever want to post one of your stories to get comments from other users, feel free to.

Re: this thread's original topic - how about organising submissions to the Paramount script office? I imagine quite a few people, here, Xylene not least, may have ideas for future Star Trek: Enterprise episodes, or may indeed have already written them...

I daresay some of my stories could be used as plot-lines for ST episodes. I could have Roxalann as an occasional character who comes in to solve problems once in a while. The absence of mentions of the Interstellar Diplomatic Corps from previous episodes/series could be explained by the fact that they work in the background. Not so much an undercover organisation, but just a group who don't work with governments or burocracies unless they have to.

The absence of mentions of the Interstellar Diplomatic Corps from previous episodes/series could be explained by the fact that they work in the background.

Actually, there were a few references in previous Star Treks to a Federation diplomatic corps! Diplomats, such as Sarek, played a prominent role in TNG - so often, in fact, that I found myself wishing the crew would stop hosting negotiations and get on with exploring new territory...

That was one of the best things about Voyager. No crazy admirals or squabbling delegates!

Xylene, if you ever want to post one of your stories to get comments from other users, feel free to.

My stories tend to be rather long, Presidente; particularly the ones about Roxalann. Is there a special forum thread where I could park them, and how do I upload them from a disk? :)

Xylene, you could post them to a website or blog, or even upload them to a website for download. You can only post small stories excerpts here, sorry. The reward though, is imput from various members. Even they hate your story, they'll try to tell you what they hate and give you constructive input.

If you need help, just PM me.

"UPN has announced that it is cancelling the Star Trek prequel show, Enterprise..." (http://chud.com/thud/1410)

R.I.P.

I don't see what UPN expected, they do zero promoting for the show, they just play the episodes and hope someone tunes in.

Ah well, maybe it'll be moved to another network, maybe it will die out only to be replaced with a new reality show, like The Big Grass Grow-Off, or something equally stupid. 'tis a shame though.

Well, I guess Buffys' link says it all. 5 years is still a very good run - I haven't seen anything beyond season 3 yet.

The mention of a new Quantum Leap show has me excited already, though! Old fans like me have been dying to see a follow-up, or at least a TV movie, for the last decade.

yep, 5 years is a good run.

I think american television's tendency to run a successful show until it withers is a serious problem. The simpsons comes immediately to mind, that show deserved a graceful exit. This "slow death" approach to tv may make a few extra dollars but the long run cost is too high.

The british are on the opposite side of the spectrum. I thought "the office" could have easily handled another season (especially since their seasons are only 6 episodes long as opposed to the american standard of 24) but if a series is going to end I much prefer seeing it go out on top

5 years seems just about right to me. Enterprise has enough notice to end well and since they now know it's over the writers/directors/actors can take chances because they have nothing to lose. Ironically, this announcement gives me hope for the rest of this season.

yep, 5 years is a good run.

I think american television's tendency to run a successful show until it withers is a serious problem. The simpsons comes immediately to mind, that show deserved a graceful exit. This "slow death" approach to tv may make a few extra dollars but the long run cost is too high.

The british are on the opposite side of the spectrum. I thought "the office" could have easily handled another season (especially since their seasons are only 6 episodes long as opposed to the american standard of 24) but if a series is going to end I much prefer seeing it go out on top

5 years seems just about right to me. Enterprise has enough notice to end well and since they now know it's over the writers/directors/actors can take chances because they have nothing to lose. Ironically, this announcement gives me hope for the rest of this season.Isn't five years about the usual length of time that the Star Trek series since TNG have run? I would like to see the formation of the Federation though.

No. The normal run for Star Treks is seven years. Voyager sucked major balls and it went on for seven years... How do things that suck so much stay on the air?

Here's a thought, most of the people who watch ST shows are pretty good with computers right? Maybe viewer ratings are so low because a lot of them simply download the episodes when they're released, I know that's what I do. I try to avoid TV as much as possible these days, so I download what I want to watch and leave it at that.

No. The normal run for Star Treks is seven years. Voyager sucked major balls and it went on for seven years... How do things that suck so much stay on the air?

Because not everyone thinks they suck! Voyager was a bit sub-par and directionless in the first 2 years, but not as much so as DS9 - and both series improved a lot. On the whole, I would say Voyager was my favourite incarnation of Star Trek so far. What did you dislike about it so much?

What did you dislike about it so much?

I loved DS9. It was also the darkest of the series, what with the war an all.

I didn't hate Voyager. I just liked DS9 better.

OK, so whats next?
just when it was starting to get interesting


http://www.trektoday.com/news/020205_04.shtml
UPN Cancels 'Star Trek: Enterprise'
By Christian
February 2, 2005 - 8:17 PM

Star Trek: Enterprise will come to an end following the airing of an as yet untitled series finale on May the 13th, 2005.

OK, so whats next?
Get Scott Bakula back to playing Dr. Sam Beckett! OH BOY!!

[Did he ever say "Oh boy" on Enterprise?]

OK, so whats next?
just when it was starting to get interestingSurvivor Star Trek . Where unsuspecting contestents are marooned on a planet with a horny Captain Kirk . :D

What - kind of like Voyager meets Gilligan's Island meets Big Brother?

Turning it into reality TV would be the ultimate betrayal of Gene Roddenberry's vision. I'd rather see Star Trek die for good than be reduced to rubbish like that.

I haven't seen any Star Trek episode or film, but today I saw this article
http://slashdot.org/articles/05/02/12/2014244.shtml?tid=214&tid=1

What - kind of like Voyager meets Gilligan's Island meets Big Brother?

Turning it into reality TV would be the ultimate betrayal of Gene Roddenberry's vision. I'd rather see Star Trek die for good than be reduced to rubbish like that.I was only kidding Starhane.

Introduce a new race into the Star Trek universe--one even more staunch and bloody-minded than the Borg, but on our side. It would create some interesting moral issues to have Picard et. al. having to explain away the actions of ferocious allies--headhunting, cannibalism, etc., etc., and having to justify being on the same side as a bunch of bloody savages instead of kicking their teeth in as per usual. Leaves Humans with a bit of a conundrum, having to say well, we don't actually approve of the way they do things, but we like what they do--and thank God they're on our side and not giving US any shit!

Introduce a new race into the Star Trek universe--one even more staunch and bloody-minded than the Borg, but on our side.

The Kingons are bad enough from that point of view: vicious, bloodthirsty, thuggish, rowdy, undemocratic, strictly patriarchal and guilty of brutally subjugating numerous weaker cultures. The historic alliance with them must have been a bitter pill for many Federation citizens to swallow - like the idea of 1930s Britain calling Nazi Germany an ally, but worse.

I think it's time for Enterprise to go. I like the show and other Star Trek series but I think it's time for Enterprise because a lot of the episodes areslow and rehashed from other series.

No. The normal run for Star Treks is seven years. Voyager sucked major balls and it went on for seven years... How do things that suck so much stay on the air?
I loved Voyager, but I hated the ending, the time police will need to send her back, to fix the timeline,
knowing they would end, the writers had plenty of time to get a believable ending

I hated Voyager with every breath I took and it remained for so long to twist and corrupt the Star Trek universe. Nothing would kill it.

Now there is Enterprise... which I actually like. It isn't perfect but I haven't missed an episode yet. And for some reason they are trying to kill it when it is the only thing on UPN I would actually classify as television. Damn I wish someone else would pick up its contract.

OUCH!

Good god, I can't believe what T'Pol (Jolene Blalock) had to say about enterprise in this (http://www.mirrordot.org/stories/c90f4ada6c068b5cf74e0bf91965b765/) article.

I mean, we started out with 13 million viewers on the pilot, and we somehow managed to drive 11 million of them away.
There is an awkward silence when the subject of the final episode is broached. "I don't know where to begin with that one," she finally stammers. "The final episode is ... appalling."

I've seen people be unflattering about shows they've done in the past but enterprise's final episode hasn't even aired yet! Damn, she must really hate the show.

I disagree that she must hate the show. She sounds like she has a good sense of discrimination and can tell what is worthwhile from crap. She had a lot more appreciation for the fourth season than the third, which should tell you something.

Nope, sounds like disappointment to me. The same disappointment the rest of us sometimes feel at a show that has so much potential and yet so seldom comes close to meeting expectations.

Well if the principle cast don't even like it, the show must surely be degenerating. Let it die sooner, with some dignity as a flagship UPN series still remaining.

The sad part is it could have been a great show, but the writing and storylines were complete crap. The whole Xindi war wasn't too badly done, but for me the final blow was that stupid Nazi aliens episode.

Great cast, great effects, great concept, horrible horrible writing.

The sad part is it could have been a great show, but the writing and storylines were complete crap. could have, I would have preferred they answer some questions, like; what happened to the TOS Klingons' bumps, where are all the Mexicans in the future? & don't re-tell that one about arabs, you know the one, "because its a show about the future & there aren't any arabs (Mexicans) in the future".

I liked Capt Hernandez, so now they could have an all-Mexican starship, just like those all-Vulcan ones.

The whole Xindi war wasn't too badly done, but for me the final blow was that stupid Nazi aliens episode. been there, done that, what a weak way to save the time line, & end the Temporal Cold War,

is the Temporal Cold War or are Xindi or Suliban ever mentioned in any official ST sources? I think not, they should never soiled the continuity of ST

Great cast, great effects, great concept, horrible horrible writing.
yeap, Archer was too arrogant, blind & stubborn

& who did TPol love? Archer or Trip?

& why was Hoshi so weak & scared?

what happened to the TOS Klingons' bumps, where are all the Mexicans in the future?

Oh, the sources are still deliberately obscure about Klingon anatomy through history... when the Deep Space 9 crew travelled back into the original episode "Trouble With Tribbles", no-one but Worf even recognised the TOS Klingons as being Klingon! He was too embarressed to explain it all...
As for Mexicans, perhaps most of them were killed in the 3rd World War of the mid 21st Century? Certainly if their poulation keeps growing steadily more urbanised, a relatively few nukes will be able to utterly decimate their nation...

is the Temporal Cold War or are Xindi or Suliban ever mentioned in any official ST sources? I think not, they should never soiled the continuity of ST

There are plenty of official Trek references to Suliban (http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/library/aliens/article/127303.html), the Temporal Cold War (http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/library/aliens/article/128206.html) and Xindi (http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/library/aliens/article/2573.html).

who did TPol love? Archer or Trip?

She grew to admire and respect Archer most, but lusted after Trip in her own repressed, drug-addicted, meditation-deprived way. I think the only person she, or any Vulcan, truly loves, is themselves.

why was Hoshi so weak & scared?

Because she's an over-enthusiastic attempt by the scriptwriters to create a believably human character with real personal inadequacies, whatever her linguistic gifts...

Oh, the sources are still deliberately obscure about Klingon anatomy through history... when the Deep Space 9 crew travelled back into the original episode "Trouble With Tribbles", no-one but Worf even recognised the TOS Klingons as being Klingon! He was too embarressed to explain it all...saw TNG: "TwT", hilarious, but I think it was all PC; in the '60s no one would have complained that the Klingons looked to Asian (because make-up & special effects were so rudimentary), which may have looked too offensive later? Or they wanted to give Klingons a more "barbaric alien" look? but this last Enterprise, what with "augment hman" DNA & such is WEAK

As for Mexicans, perhaps most of them were killed in the 3rd World War of the mid 21st Century? Certainly if their poulation keeps growing steadily more urbanised, a relatively few nukes will be able to utterly decimate their nation...got to stop al Queda before they blow up Mexico

There are plenty of official Trek references to
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I should re-phrase that, I meant previous to ST: Enterprise, I didn't like their messing with the timeline, inventing races, wars, etc... when the previous have so much potential, like; Romulans, Andorians, Orians, even Hortas!

, I meant previous to ST: Enterprise,
Hummm? I think I just found out what gave Matt Groening the idea of a Star Trek religion in the future for "Futurama", namely "ST", like 'St.', like "St. Elsewhere" a '80s TV show with Ed Begly Jr, Howie Mandel, David Morse, William Daniels, Denzel Washington, et al..

http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servlet/ShowMainServlet/showid-205/St_Elsewhere/
http://www.geocities.com/zoidberg_fan/episodes/where_no_fan.html

... I would have preferred they answer some questions, like; what happened to the TOS Klingons' bumps...

I thought they were pretty clear, I guess you missed that episode. here's a recap:

The klingons tried to make a genetically superior race of klingons by modifying the technique used to illegally alter humans (which lead to the eugenics wars and startrek 2: the wrath of khan). They did succeed but there were 2 byproducts, the altered klingons look more human (in otherwords, no obvious forehead bumps) and they die a horrible death soon after they are altered. So, since the klingon doctors suck so bad, they abducted dr. flox and forced him to fix the problem. Much adventure and heroics ensue and just in the nick of time flox saves the day. Unfortunately, flox's fix robs them of their super-duper brains and strength and leaves them looking like b-movie versions of genghis khan.

I thought they were pretty clear, I guess you missed that episode. here's a recap:

Unfortunately, flox's fix robs them of their super-duper brains and strength and leaves them looking like b-movie versions of genghis khan.
saw it, didn't like it, it was weak, so I commented here:
Or they wanted to give Klingons a more "barbaric alien" look? but this last Enterprise, what with "augment hman" DNA & such is WEAK

well, to be fair, they didn't have many options.

When TNG came out they could hardly use the lame looking klingon makeup from TOS but any alteration had to be explained eventually. What else could make them look like a completely different species besides different dna? It was a no-win situation, they had to change the look significantly but any explanation would feel forced. That's why they dodged the question for so long.

I never saw that episode; it must be interesting to have some explanation for the whole Klingon issue. Since the flat-headed, genetically altered phenotype was still current in TOS time, 100 years after Enterprise, it can't have been particularly regressive or inferior.

Still doesn't explain why specific individual Klingons - Kor, Kang and Koloth - went from flat-headed in their prime to the normal Klingon look in their old age (as seen in DS9). Or why the crew in that show weren't aware that the experiment had ever taken place, considering that the first starship Enterprise was directly involved and its missions would have been a matter of record...

Or even better! Have a DS9 spin off! Star Trek: Defiant! I like it!


they could have brought in the defiant from when it appeared in the star trek movie with the borg in it (cant remember its name the now) that would have been a good introduction> they cold also have developed worf even more as a character instead of going back into the past with enterprise>

it must be interesting to have some explanation for the whole Klingon issue. Since the flat-headed, genetically altered phenotype was still current in TOS time, 100 years after Enterprise, it can't have been particularly regressive or inferior. I prefer smooth-plated

Still doesn't explain why specific individual Klingons - Kor, Kang and Koloth - went from flat-headed in their prime to the normal Klingon look in their old age (as seen in DS9).
they were working on another scenerio then? like, they get flat-headed in their old age, when their "ridge-horn knobs" stop growing, so all the TOS Klingons were really pre-pubsecent teen-agers, thats why Worf was embarassed by the question, you know, those were the awkward years
Or why the crew in that show weren't aware that the experiment had ever taken place, considering that the first starship Enterprise was directly involved and its missions would have been a matter of record...ok, that was my number one problem with Enterprise, it had no continuity, it made up 'alternate histories' as it went along, introduced alien races, wars unheard of in TOS, TNG, DS9 or Voyager, so, what gives?

they cold also have developed worf even more as a character instead of going back into the past with enterprise>

Michael Dorn did a total of 11 seasons of Star Treks, longer than any other cast member... I think he must be sick of that oppressive Klingon prosthetic makeup by now.

Speaking of Enterprise, what the hell is going on with it?? I know it's been cancelled but I mean, I haven't seen a new episode for maybe 4 weeks now...

i agree, that's very silly indeed.

the new enterprise series is an absolute joke. as was the last star trek movie made. Star wars rules also.

the new enterprise series is an absolute joke.

All I've seen of it so far is "Storm Front"... another World War II Trek! That was the last thing we needed. TOS, Voyager and DS9 have all sent up WWII and the Nazis at some point. Originality is truly vanishing from the Paramount script office.

Despite how much I enjoyed ST: Enterprise, I have to say that without reservation, it had the alltime worst finale ever. As a local TV critic around here said, you have to see it to believe how bad it is.
Brutal.

well, I've seen the last ep now.

To be honest, I expected a lot worse, I thought they were ending it like a dream. As if Riker pops in at the end and say's "end program", like he was just watching tv. But they tied it into a story from the middle of ST:NG, I didn't expect that.

I still thought the end was poorly planned but I didn't despise it like I thought I would. If they'd put a bit more episodes into it I think it would have been a decent way to wrap it all up.

I didn't hate it (to my surprise) and that's a compliment.