In studying longevity, I have heard that the main common trait to live long is to do what you love.
I believe in eating raw food for a long healthy life, but I have read about poeple with the worst diets and worst health habits living very long. Mainly because they do what they love.


I have heard also that 60% of deaths in America occur on Mondays. Most deaths on Mondays occur in the morning. Most of those between 9am-10am.
Is there any factual data behind these tolls?


Upon reaching the age of 65, 95% of Americans are either dead or dead broke. So says the success philosophers. Is there any accuracy to this?


So is doing something you dislike on a regular basis not just correlated, but the catalyst in individual ultimate demise? Death.


I myself instictually avoid anything and everything that isn't related to doing what I love(writing, performing, designing, teaching/learning). Is this a survival instinct? As if somehow my body instinctively refuses to allow me to take part in any activity that is not absolutely fulfilling to me. Therefore, allowing me to live longer.


So here's the question: Is constantly doing what you absolutely love and avoiding anything you do not enjoy the deciding factor that determines the length of your lifespan?

Is constantly doing what you absolutely love and avoiding anything you do not enjoy the deciding factor that determines the length of your lifespan?

I look it at differently. You need the perfect amount of stress in your life and constantly move away from you 'comfort zone'.

Doing what you love and ignoring responsibilities/health or whatever makes you weak and unnappreciative. Likewise, stressing over things that you can't possibly control makes you bitter.

Earlier today, there was this huge nerd working on the computer opposite to me and she was - get this - in tears because she realized that she would not be able to fully complete the assignment. 'wha wha wha, but I have to get to calculus!!!' she says to her man whore.

Contrast that some of my lazy friends who visit wendy's each night and couldn't give two shits about getting to class (not that their taking any...) These guys admit their going to die young from poor health and seem unusually proud.

Do you what you love, but don't use that as an excuse to do what you know is good for you. Assembly language is boring, but I learn it because I want to become a better programmer. If you wanna be a rockstar, learn to PLAY first. Get in shape, stop filling your body with carcinogens if you don't want to die early. It applies to everyone

So here's the question: Is constantly doing what you absolutely love and avoiding anything you do not enjoy the deciding factor that determines the length of your lifespan?

The deciding factor that determines the length of your lifespan is the car that hits you.


Otherwise, I think you are asking a question of the kind "Do birds fly?".

Unless what interests you is whether slaves are to be happy with their slavery.

Doing what you love MAY imply having to become 'poor'. for if you're doing some job you hate and the only alternative is to levae which'll leave you with not as much money, on benefit etc, what then?

i feel we all have the power of choice. you dont HAVEt to do what your parents wish for you to do If you dont want that...dont HAVe to do some shit job, task etc IF you dont want to.....What usually keeps us doing stuff like that is usually fear of changing even a crappy situation because of the fear of the unknown. like 'the lesser of the two evil' kind of tthing. But KNOW that it is YOUR choice. THAt is your power

of COURSe doing what you hate is not good. who the fk wants to do what they hate. it's this culture that loves havin you do shit like that hile it rolls in your labour as capital for its machine. hence the godamn rat race all round

....and miserable faces....and violence.....and druggin, and boozin it...and people on meds....and road rage.....and overeatin...and shoppin....and worry and trouble......and suicides....and bullying.....and boredom

Who cares? You're going to die when you are. I say do what you love, and even if you don't live longer, you'll live happy! :)

Keeping yourself out of other peoples businesses is a good way to live a long time! ;)

Eating , sleeping , excercising , love, fun and good friends are also good things to have.

I work hard and play hard. It's a bit of a family trait. I go to dchool, then I go to work, then I do homework and by the time it's done, it's about 10:00 PM, then I'll watch a little TV or something. On the weekends, I party and go nuts. My family has long lifelines (many of them 90+) and we all live in a similar way. Maybe it's the perfect balance.

Go out and rape every woman you want to. And then you will have longevity all your days.

Longevity.

longetivity behind bars

longetivity behind bars

The accompanying mental image was entirely unnecessary.

Besides that,

How can a man possibly be jailed for doing something he loves? Such is the heinous injustice that makes morality the stupidest thing since McDonalds.

freedom of the individual and freedom from the individual. Its called the social contract, not morality. And you're welcome to move someplace without one.

In the meantime, lets not break the rules we've all agreed upon.

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and why is mcdonalds 'stupid'? They're simply responding to demand

freedom of the individual and freedom from the individual. Its called the social contract, not morality. And you're welcome to move someplace without one.

Au contraire. Since no man is born with some preposterous obligation to a society thriving on herd mentality and its lofty morality, if society does not like it, society can move elsewhere.

As far as you and I know, contracts are usually agreed to. If you never agreed to this so-called 'contract' in the first place, then ask yourself this: how can you possibly breach it?

Ironically enough I wrote a little piece on this today. Bashing laws and morality as the threshold of human stupidity. I find nothing more absurd and baneful than this foolish notion that freedom is to be found in laws. Pack animals, that's what society comprises. The very idea even that there is to be individualism found in society is equally depressing. Both beliefs are obviously retarded and incompatible.

Huxley's Brave New World triumphs over Orwell's 1984.

In the meantime, lets not break the rules we've all agreed upon.

Funny how to be free, we are all forced to sign a social contract. All for one, and one for all.

Did I mention I'm Emma Goldman's descendant? That I am.


and why is mcdonalds 'stupid'? They're simply responding to demand

Have you seen their new slew of hip, urban commercials? More revolting than the food. Well, almost.

Hmm my view on it is the key to longevity is to not compare your present self to your past. Avoid memories unless specifically for the purpose of drawing new meaning out of reflection. Stay out of the mirror. Avoid reinforcing thought habits such as,, oh I feel old. Im tired. I dont feel well. Im not as young as I used to be.
Dont work towards retirement and dont believe that time brings you down. I believe we really do create our outside image from the way we see ourselves in the insides to a large extent.

And genetics. Plays a huge role.

Au contraire. Since no man is born with some preposterous obligation to a society thriving on herd mentality and its lofty morality, if society does not like it, society can move elsewhere.

You really have things backwards.

and why is mcdonalds 'stupid'? They're simply responding to demand
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That's why.

Furthermore, commercialism is not a response to demand. It is a manipulation of demand.

Coolskill,

They're making buckets of money and piling up real estate. Do you really believe McDonalds has some insidious plan to make Americans fat?

§outh§tar,

Au contraire. Since no man is born with some preposterous obligation to a society thriving on herd mentality and its lofty morality, if society does not like it, society can move elsewhere.

Thats like blind man tellilng a giant oak to make like a tree and leaf..

Say what you want. Kick the tree. Head-butt it at full speed. It ain't going anywhere. And you're still in denial.

As far as you and I know, contracts are usually agreed to. If you never agreed to this so-called 'contract' in the first place, then ask yourself this: how can you possibly breach it?

You mean the great stork never let you see it!! Bastard!

I find nothing more absurd and baneful than this foolish notion that freedom is to be found in laws. Pack animals, that's what society comprises. The very idea even that there is to be individualism found in society is equally depressing.

Security is to be found in laws, not freedom. Thats the whole point of the social contract- you trade away bits of freedom for security.

Did I mention I'm Emma Goldman's descendant? That I am.

Really? Congratulations. But how nice it would be to make a name for yourself, rather than being another Napoleon III.

Have you seen their new slew of hip, urban commercials? More revolting than the food. Well, almost.

I hardly ever watch TV

Security is to be found in laws, not freedom. Thats the whole point of the social contract- you trade away bits of freedom for security.Be careful, that may have been a good motto in the days of Gilgamesh when the world was overrun with barbarian hordes. But today it's quite possible to go too far. Somebody famous (look it up in Bartlett's) said, "People who are willing to sacrifice a little freedom for a little security eventually end up with neither. And that's perfectly fair, because it's what those people deserve." I hardly ever watch TVThat sounds really hip, there were lots of people who went around saying that during the 1960s. Of course, those are the same people who are now my age and can describe every moment of every scene in every episode of the original Star Trek and Mission: Impossible series.

There are hundreds of channels. There's plenty of really good stuff on TV. If you haven't found it you're just not trying. Drama, mystery, music, comedy, animated shows. Plenty of people I respect think highly of some of the TV news programs, although I personally think they tell us how to feel instead of what's happening.

TV is a wasteland of advertising and other people's favorite sitcoms only if you forget to use the OFF button.

I'm going to run with Fraggle's reassesment of television, and that not watching TV is just the trendy thing to do.
Not eating McDonald's is also a trendy thing. The food their is delicious, and I have a difficult time believeing anyone who contradicts me. It's chock full of high calorie nutrients that our simian brains crave. Dislike of McDonalds is a culture response.
We don't like McDonalds because it's what the peasants eat.

And back to the topic - my two cents:

I think (opinion - no research here) that doing what you love gives you a reason to live longer and helps with the psychological component of that, but you really do need to pay attention to how you treat your body. I think that basicaly if you respect your body, you'll have a long life. Sometimes some MacDonalds (yup, it's a good treat but a bad diet), do some hiking, do things in moderation, and you're good to go.

Yeah, moderation is probably also key.

About the TV thing - Its not to sound holier than thou saying that 'I don't watch TV'. Its that I don't watch 'TV'.

Anything I do watch is in pure commercial free format, downloaded from the net with the ability to rewind and archive on optical storage. Newsgroups, bittorent, anything. I'm in the process of going through BBC's 'The Ascent of Man'. (hope I don't sound too pretentious now! :m: )

Be careful, that may have been a good motto in the days of Gilgamesh when the world was overrun with barbarian hordes.

Agreed (for now). But more than an opinion, I was to attempting to correct SouthStars interpretation of the social contract:
this foolish notion that freedom is to be found in laws.

Its all about getting a good bargain for the freedoms we give up. And not giving them away too fast. Individual freedom itself is meaningless and only natures way of allowing genetic evolution(which we're approaching the natural limits of).Trade it in for the social contract and you get an evolution of the species, fully equipped with the knowledge to responsibly handle genetics and stop us from destroying ourselves. This is why Singapore is a rough model for the future.

Who is dumb enough to believe that anarchy could work nowadays? In such an overcrowded world, we'd come close to extinction before a new government sets itself up.

But uhh...not to complicate things :m:

It depends on what you love.

If you love sport? Yes.

If you love computers? No.

"Coolskill,

They're making buckets of money and piling up real estate. Do you really believe McDonalds has some insidious plan to make Americans fat?"
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No I do not. Their insidious plan is to make profit whatever it takes. The best marketing plan is to make people believe that they will die without your product. McDonald's doesn't go that far, but they do use marketing in many ways to sell harmful products as if they were completely harmless.


Fakists believe that our rights are based on the laws.
Realitists believe that our laws are based on our rights.
The law does not give us our rights. The law is used to protect our rights.
Humans have the right to freedom of speech.
Weather there is a law protecting that right or not, the right remains nonetheless.
If your rulers persecute you for what you say, it does not mean you do not have the right to say it.
It only means that your rulers/persecutors are violating your rights instead of protecting them.


From what I have heard, you can partake in unhealthy eating and exercise perhaps even in narcotics, and live a long life doing what you enjoy. Not sure if this is true.

Actually, I side to the idea that, while biologically doing things I love will make you live longer (by giving less stress), mentally it will make my life shorter.... My happy times are always over when I just start to enjoy it...

You really have things backwards.

You are too complacent.

French people, Italian people, Japanese people -- lots of people who eat, drink, and smoke stuff that we're told is way bad for us, and don't make a religion out of exercise and fitness -- have longer life expectancies than Americans, Brits, Aussies, etc.

It seems that it doesn't really matter what we eat or how hard we work out. It's speaking English that kills us.

Vamos a aceptar el espanol como nuestra lengua nacional, y nuestras vidas seran mas largas. Quienes van alla conmigo?

§outh§tar,

Thats like blind man tellilng a giant oak to make like a tree and leaf..

Say what you want. Kick the tree. Head-butt it at full speed. It ain't going anywhere. And you're still in denial.

Not me. For it is said, "If you can't beat 'em, join 'em".

A snake in the grass is more dangerous than a lion in the streets.

Did the Americans not discover this truth?

You mean the great stork never let you see it!! Bastard!

Gypped of my rightful inheritance, I was. ...

Security is to be found in laws, not freedom. Thats the whole point of the social contract- you trade away bits of freedom for security.

Whose laws, is what I ask.

Really? Congratulations. But how nice it would be to make a name for yourself, rather than being another Napoleon III.

What’s in a name? that which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet;

I hardly ever watch TV

How deprived.


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Who is dumb enough to believe that anarchy could work nowadays? In such an overcrowded world, we'd come close to extinction before a new government sets itself up.

You never know until you try.

Cowards don't try; cowards want security. Or at least they think that is what they want.

Fraggle,
French people, Italian people, Japanese people -- lots of people who eat, drink, and smoke stuff that we're told is way bad for us, and don't make a religion out of exercise and fitness -- have longer life expectancies than Americans, Brits, Aussies, etc.

The mediterranean and Japanese diets are superior to American, British or Aussie.

Plus, if you look at the statistics rather than the average life expectancy-which is only a few years apart-, you'll see they're extremely lopsided. People who 'make a religion' out of being healthy have very long lifespans no matter what country they live in. Others die at a much younger age.

Of those who make it to the age of 65, only a very small percentage die until 80 (the graph looks walking off the edge of a cliff.)

SouthStar,
Whose laws, is what I ask.
The laws that we've all agreed on. Ever actually participated in a protest or rally?

You never know until you try.
Try putting a loaded handgun to your head and pulling the trigger. I'm curious.

Cowards don't try; cowards want security. Or at least they think that is what they want.
If you're going to running around calling cowardess the card on everyone, you should at least run away from home and start a revolution. I purple dog dare you.

The laws that we've all agreed on. Ever actually participated in a protest or rally?

Hmm.. Here's the thing about "we've all agreed on" yet again. I am not sure how this assumption comes to be? What about those who have not "agreed"? What kind of freedom do they have, having been forced under some so-called 'social contract'. Is the "pursuit of happiness" to be found in obeying the moral whims of the majority? Is this not absurd?

Try putting a loaded handgun to your head and pulling the trigger. I'm curious.

I don't want to go to jail for attempted suicide. Blame the social contract, not me.

If you're going to running around calling cowardess the card on everyone, you should at least run away from home and start a revolution. I purple dog dare you.

Wait and see. Not a revolution, that will only result in a new government being set up. Something much more cunning.

What about those who have not "agreed"? What kind of freedom do they have, having been forced under some so-called 'social contract'. Is the "pursuit of happiness" to be found in obeying the moral whims of the majority? Is this not absurd?

No, I agree with you on the absurdity of 'moral whim' laws. You're going to love this article:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1425731,00.html

"Some of them there are outmoded reasons for, others just seem to be ridiculous, like banning whale-hunting in a landlocked state," he said."

(Many years ago they tried to 'outlaw' Pi, and make it 3 so that 'math would be easier'.)

What right do you have? Any right you prescribe to yourself so long as you're willing to accept the consequences. The silly thing is that even though you shout non-conformity at the top of your lungs, you don't appear to be making any sort of a difference. Not even a riot. And unlike your great great great grandmother the penalty for self-expression is kinder nowadays.

Wait and see. Not a revolution, that will only result in a new government being set up. Something much more cunning
Parroting her words is like holding up a picture and pretending its a mirror.

No, I agree with you on the absurdity of 'moral whim' laws. You're going to love this article:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1425731,00.html

"Some of them there are outmoded reasons for, others just seem to be ridiculous, like banning whale-hunting in a landlocked state," he said."

(Many years ago they tried to 'outlaw' Pi, and make it 3 so that 'math would be easier'.)

What right do you have? Any right you prescribe to yourself so long as you're willing to accept the consequences. The silly thing is that even though you shout non-conformity at the top of your lungs, you don't appear to be making any sort of a difference. Not even a riot. And unlike your great great great grandmother the penalty for self-expression is kinder nowadays.


To quote Nikos Maziotis

This authoritarian structure penetrates the whole of society and it is this structure that we want to destroy. Either with peaceful or with violent means, even with guns. I have no problem with that.

I will contradict my brother who said before, that he didn't want the guns in order to make war. They were for war. Maybe they were just kept there. But guns are for war, you don't just have them to keep them at home. I might have kept them as they were, but they are to make war and I make war...

No amount of "petitioning", or "rioting" is going to do any good. The sheep are brainless and do not think individually, but rather as the herd. What is needed, is war, "either with peaceful or with violent means, even with guns."

I have no problem with that. But those who think I am somehow entitled to a social contract I don't agree to, why, I am sure they will read this sooner or later and after doing so, find a frivolous accusation to pit against me. Thoughtcrime. Before I can try out my freedom, I hear that my freedom is illegal. Why? Because the sheep said so. And so you see, this penalty for self-expression you speak of betrays the fact that freedom is not to be found in law, but rather hegemony by the mindless sheep.

Law is the opiate of the masses.

Read the rest of the blurb if you ever get the chance. It's from his court statement after bungling up a bombing of the Ministry of Industry and Development.

Great link too by the way. :D

Parroting her words is like holding up a picture and pretending its a mirror.

That might be true if I knew "her" words.. hm

Having a great medical insurance is also a thing to keep alive vonger.

You are too complacent.

No. I know all to well what it means to be outpowered and outnumbered.

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Vamos a aceptar el espanol como nuestra lengua nacional, y nuestras vidas seran mas largas. Quienes van alla conmigo?

Si, con mucho gusto!

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A snake in the grass is more dangerous than a lion in the streets.

Did the Americans not discover this truth?

The snake in the grass may be more dangerous than a lion in the streets -- but the snake is still a snake. It is not a lion.

Your subversiveness will end up eating you up as well.



Hmm.. Here's the thing about "we've all agreed on" yet again. I am not sure how this assumption comes to be? What about those who have not "agreed"? What kind of freedom do they have, having been forced under some so-called 'social contract'. Is the "pursuit of happiness" to be found in obeying the moral whims of the majority? Is this not absurd?

It is supposed that if you are not rebelling against it, you are agreeing.
This logic works well in extreme situations, like times of war -- you are either one one side or the other. Those who play the neutral party eventually end up with the losers, albeit this happens once the war is over.

In times of peace, extremisms don't work. The logic of Matthew 12:30 is true and good for times of war -- but apply it in times of peace, and you get stygmatized for being an extremist.

But then again: if we take life seriously, as the struggle for survival that it is, the definite logic f extremisms should be our guidance anytime.


I don't want to go to jail for attempted suicide. Blame the social contract, not me.

Remember than man a while back, it was in LA I think, who wanted to kill himself and drove his car on the railways? The car derailed two trains, several people died, while the man who caused all this stayed alive. He was sentenced with the death penalty. Some suicide.


Wait and see. Not a revolution, that will only result in a new government being set up. Something much more cunning.

Subversion. Lovely.
As long as you don't turn into a cunning woman! :p


I have no problem with that. But those who think I am somehow entitled to a social contract I don't agree to, why, I am sure they will read this sooner or later and after doing so, find a frivolous accusation to pit against me. Thoughtcrime. Before I can try out my freedom, I hear that my freedom is illegal. Why? Because the sheep said so. And so you see, this penalty for self-expression you speak of betrays the fact that freedom is not to be found in law, but rather hegemony by the mindless sheep.

Law is the opiate of the masses.

It is only in times of oppression that one gets to know and value freedom.

No. I know all to well what it means to be outpowered and outnumbered.

Well then die shooting.


The snake in the grass may be more dangerous than a lion in the streets -- but the snake is still a snake. It is not a lion.

The end justifies the means, I'd say.

Your subversiveness will end up eating you up as well.

I have this murderous impulse. Will I suppress myself because the sheep are afraid, or will I be free?


It is supposed that if you are not rebelling against it, you are agreeing.
This logic works well in extreme situations, like times of war -- you are either one one side or the other. Those who play the neutral party eventually end up with the losers, albeit this happens once the war is over.

In times of peace, extremisms don't work. The logic of Matthew 12:30 is true and good for times of war -- but apply it in times of peace, and you get stygmatized for being an extremist.

But then again: if we take life seriously, as the struggle for survival that it is, the definite logic f extremisms should be our guidance anytime.

The question becomes, as always, shall we bend to the whims of society, shall society influence us, shall we whore ourselves to the entirely arbitrary whims of the "sheeple" simply because "the law says so". But praytell, who upholds the law, not the sheep? This extremism again is a means of relativizing established by the egoists and instead of pointing out the error of their ways, it is better to erase the sheeple, for instead of burying the weed, we deracinate it with great relish.

It is your right to kill as no one has earned the right to live. Let he who is superior drink the blood of the meek, for they shall not inherit the earth this day.

Only cowards are afraid.

Remember than man a while back, it was in LA I think, who wanted to kill himself and drove his car on the railways? The car derailed two trains, several people died, while the man who caused all this stayed alive. He was sentenced with the death penalty. Some suicide.

What a coward. At least he should have killed them deliberately. Now he is remembered for stupidity of all things. Things done in halves are never done right.

Subversion. Lovely.
As long as you don't turn into a cunning woman! :p

Why the oxymoron?

;)

It is only in times of oppression that one gets to know and value freedom.

As long as law oppresses (and it does by definition), we know that we are not free.

I have this murderous impulse. Will I suppress myself because the sheep are afraid, or will I be free?

You must've been the kid who baked ants alive, and before eating them, covered their corpses in molten chocolate. Murderous, eh?

The sheep are only afraid if you have an oven big enough for them. Which you do not. Even if your eyes are bigger than your ant-size mouth.

No amount of "petitioning", or "rioting" is going to do any good. The sheep are brainless and do not think individually, but rather as the herd. What is needed, is war, "either with peaceful or with violent means, even with guns."

This must be some sort of joke. The circumstances have changed SOOO much since imperialist Russia where your ideas of anarchy were born. You can petition and riot. Why the hell do you think they pulled out of vietnam? People refused to fight. And there was nothing they could do to reprimand them because of laws and constitution.

The point is, a wise person knows that revolting against the system is useless. Instead, he learns as much about it as he can in order to maneuver and make it work for him. He does like Neo and manipulates the matrix by becoming a part of it.

I hear that my freedom is illegal. Why? Because the sheep said so. And so you see, this penalty for self-expression you speak of betrays the fact that freedom is not to be found in law, but rather hegemony by the mindless sheep.

Once again, collective security is the purpose of law, not freedom.

And would you care to share with us what freedoms of yours are illegal? Sounds to me like rebel without a cause. You have almost complete freedom, but the idea of being oppressed is so novel that you relish in it.


That might be true if I knew "her" words.. hm
I was referring to when you said:

Wait and see. Not a revolution, that will only result in a new government being set up. Something much more cunning.

You must've been the kid who baked ants alive, and before eating them, covered their corpses in molten chocolate. Murderous, eh?

The sheep are only afraid if you have an oven big enough for them. Which you do not. Even if your eyes are bigger than your ant-size mouth.

Get your head out of your ass sheep-boy. You're not getting enough oxygen.

:)

This must be some sort of joke. The circumstances have changed SOOO much since imperialist Russia where your ideas of anarchy were born. You can petition and riot. Why the hell do you think they pulled out of vietnam? People refused to fight. And there was nothing they could do to reprimand them because of laws and constitution.

The point is, a wise person knows that revolting against the system is useless. Instead, he learns as much about it as he can in order to maneuver and make it work for him. He does like Neo and manipulates the matrix by becoming a part of it.

I am not sure where the disagreement here is.

Once again, collective security is the purpose of law, not freedom.

And would you care to share with us what freedoms of yours are illegal? Sounds to me like rebel without a cause. You have almost complete freedom, but the idea of being oppressed is so novel that you relish in it.

Almost complete freedom. I wonder who that's coming from. The sheep or you. But I do like that 'almost complete freedom' bit. How it tickles me. As for just which freedoms have been made illegal, well, that's a no brainer given everything I've said already.

Who defines?

I was referring to when you said:

Wait and see. Not a revolution, that will only result in a new government being set up. Something much more cunning.

Ok. I still don't know who said it and why I am accused of plagiarism.

I am not sure where the disagreement here is.
The disagreement is that you think rioting and petitioning is completely useless, while I say your way of thinking is outmoded and lazy. Look at the Ukraine. Despite having fewer freedoms, they effectively overturned a government which they didn't approve of by protesting

As for just which freedoms have been made illegal, well, that's a no brainer given everything I've said already.

Kindly reitterate them. So far the only complaint I've picked up on is your god given right to kill. But you haven't explained why we as a society should give you that freedom as long as you're living here.


Ok. I still don't know who said it and why I am accused of plagiarism.
Your cocksucking g-grandmother, Emma Goldman (no disrespect to her.)

Another example is when you say without substantiation that 'The end justifies the means'. This is again Emma's personal opinion. Like the idea of a 'counter-revolutionary revolution' which you also parrot, it stems from her embitterment after the red army took over and imposed even more beaurocracy.

(she worked as a prostitute BTW. Not that theres anything wrong with that. But it does bring your genetic heritage into question.)

Emma a brilliant woman whose opinions I respect, but coming from your mouth they sound stupid.

The disagreement is that you think rioting and petitioning is completely useless, while I say your way of thinking is outmoded and lazy. Look at the Ukraine. Despite having fewer freedoms, they effectively overturned a government which they didn't approve of by protesting

Does society protest its armpits?

Kindly reitterate them. So far the only complaint I've picked up on is your god given right to kill. But you haven't explained why we as a society should give you that freedom as long as you're living here.

I never asked for society to give me any such right. You are really putting words into my mouth now. Remember the main point: is freedom to be found in laws?

Having read the rest of your posts, I dare say you have gone on your own tangent and have put your own words in my mouth. Once you have learned how to read, please come back and actually make relevant comments. Your PMS is not my fault.

Your cocksucking g-grandmother, Emma Goldman (no disrespect to her.)

Another example is when you say without substantiation that 'The end justifies the means'. This is again Emma's personal opinion. Like the idea of a 'counter-revolutionary revolution' which you also parrot, it stems from her embitterment after the red army took over and imposed even more beaurocracy.

(she worked as a prostitute BTW. Not that theres anything wrong with that. But it does bring your genetic heritage into question.)

Emma a brilliant woman whose opinions I respect, but coming from your mouth they sound stupid.

Lest you make more any more uninformed comments, let me kindly inform you: I was just kidding about the Emma Goldman part. All this time I thought you had figured it out.

Apart from me kidding about my lineage, I have never read any of EG's work. This invalidates all your clever little derisions and makes your entire post meaningless. Why don't try again please?

Well then die shooting.

Ha! It ain't worth it.


The snake in the grass may be more dangerous than a lion in the streets -- but the snake is still a snake. It is not a lion.

The end justifies the means, I'd say.

And then what?


I have this murderous impulse. Will I suppress myself because the sheep are afraid, or will I be free?

You mean this, don't you?


The question becomes, as always, shall we bend to the whims of society, shall society influence us, shall we whore ourselves to the entirely arbitrary whims of the "sheeple" simply because "the law says so". But praytell, who upholds the law, not the sheep? This extremism again is a means of relativizing established by the egoists and instead of pointing out the error of their ways, it is better to erase the sheeple, for instead of burying the weed, we deracinate it with great relish.

It is your right to kill as no one has earned the right to live. Let he who is superior drink the blood of the meek, for they shall not inherit the earth this day.

What do you think the ideal way of life for a human is?


Only cowards are afraid.

Just because one doesn't go around killing people does not mean that he is a coward.


Subversion. Lovely.
As long as you don't turn into a cunning woman!

Why the oxymoron?

A "cunning woman" is not an oxymoron.


It is only in times of oppression that one gets to know and value freedom.

As long as law oppresses (and it does by definition), we know that we are not free.

Do you really think that in a lawless way of life you would be free?

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No amount of "petitioning", or "rioting" is going to do any good. The sheep are brainless and do not think individually, but rather as the herd. What is needed, is war, "either with peaceful or with violent means, even with guns."

While I agree that "No amount of "petitioning", or "rioting" is going to do any good.", I do not think it is for the reasons stated there.
People don't commit to laws, they aren't committed to the values *they* hold. And this is happening on the level of the individual.

This has started long ago, this is why now, we can only be fixing the upper deck while the ship is sinking.



I am not sure where the disagreement here is.

In that you seem to be hellbent on going out and killing people.


Almost complete freedom.

There are other people in this world who think just like you. Hence the "almost".

Do you really think that if I defend myself while you are trying to kill me, that I am restricting your freedom?!



Once you have learned how to read, please come back and actually make relevant comments.

Really, SouthStar, your posts do come across as saying "I want to kill, but society prohibits me to do so". Xerxes is not the only one who thinks so.


Your PMS is not my fault.

Neither is your PMS our fault. :p


Apart from me kidding about my lineage, I have never read any of EG's work. This invalidates all your clever little derisions and makes your entire post meaningless.

No, it doesn't. You were deceiving us.


Why don't try again please?

Begin to count your stars.

This thing obviously got way off topic, I don't know if anyone else would bother to continue reading it. Anyway, for my opinion, doing what you love, or merely having something in life that you love, makes you live longer because you have a reason to live. Will, when empowered, is the strongest source of life. If you have something in life that you value more than life, it ironically makes your life harder to take away.