Wants to tax everyone more. Why is it millionairs always want to tax us more don't they make enough already? We are fools if we vote for someone who wants to, as Kerry has stated, raise our taxes again. :mad:

So is Bush a fake millionare because he doesn't want to tax us more?

We are taxed so services can be provided and debts paid. Would you rather that we not be taxes be dropped further? And do you think that this is a Kerry tax which goes into his pocket?

I'd like to know how taxes give Kerry more money...

At least Bush redudced taxes and gave tax money back to people didn't he? I'd rather that someone gives something instead of taking it wouldn't you? Yes , Bush is a millionaire also but the press never talks about Kerrys millions as they do Bush.

What exactly is gained by 'giving the money back to the people'? Would you rather the dollar fall even further? It gives citizens a warm and fuzzy feeling to get money back and makes them more likely to vote for the tax dropper... that is it. Economically there is no benefit.

I am just saying that I'd rather recieve money or keep it rather than have to give it to the taxman. Would you want to keep paying higher taxes? Your not thinking correctly if you say yes or you are working for the government in some way.

lets see, you give someone 50 dollars back to get his vote while the price of healthcare goes up 100 dollars, great deal!

Now the fortune 500 people and the inner circle get a little more than this for taxcut so you wont hear them complain about the dentist.

If you are lucky, its your kids that have to pay for your little taxbreak (can i hear DEFICIT?). If you are really lucky, somebody elses kids have to pay for your large taxbreaks, because you are part of conglomerate america that has offshore bank-account, i hope you are really really lucky.


And remember, a vote for Bush is really a vote for Dick Cheney Inc., now would you buy a second hand car from that man?

Unlike other republikan presidents that only set up sweatshops in asia, Bush allowed the setup of sweatshops at home (WAL-MART?).

Even billionaire Warren Buffet , a man that knows about money and believes in the law of the jungle, has warned that current taxpolicy, could turn most of the jungle into dessert on the long run.

Unless you are going to some preppy school in New England and your dad has some CEO seat waiting for you, you would be shooting in your own foot, but hey, it's a FREE FREE country....

So far my family has an extra $300 (woohoo, I guess we can um.. I don’t know, switch to the expensive tuna fish instead of store brand?) from these great wonderful tax cuts, and we haven’t even noticed the difference because the federal government is all but stonewalling a lot of people, like my family, about mailing out those checks.

Cosmic, maybe this is just me, but I thought the link between taxes and services was fairly direct. Personally, I'd rather toss my money into a communal pot and have people in charge of that money (held accountable to the people who threw their money in) distribute it amongst the public needs than have these services funded chaotically by the whims of private contributors.

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The problem is that Kerry wants to raise taxes for no reasons other that they should be raised. Americans are paying enough and that's what Bush is thinking. True prices have increased for health care but medicare is trying to help by giving reduced amounts to be paid for certain drugs and procedures. It isn't perfect yet but there has been some improvement. Perhaps in the coming 4 years Bush can get prescription drugs completly taken care of with medicare if he tries. Kerry won't do it without raising taxes.

The problem is that Kerry wants to raise taxes for no reasons other that they should be raised. Americans are paying enough and that's what Bush is thinking. True prices have increased for health care but medicare is trying to help by giving reduced amounts to be paid for certain drugs and procedures. It isn't perfect yet but there has been some improvement. Perhaps in the coming 4 years Bush can get prescription drugs completly taken care of with medicare if he tries. Kerry won't do it without raising taxes.

where do you think government money comes from? you want all this stuff to happen, well it takes money. kerry wants to get the taxes in a place where they can almost keep pace with mad cap spending bush has done since he has entered office. if you havent noticed the budget deficit goes up everyday and the value of the dollar goes down everyday. bush is destroying the economic feasibility of the US government. i believe paying taxes is a civic duty. many of the great things that happen in this country come as a sole result of the fact that we pay taxes. you cant have the worlds largest and most advanced military without the tax dollars to back it up.

The problem is that Kerry wants to raise taxes for no reasons other that they should be raised.

That’s a problem to you? If something should be done and isn't, that's a problem to me.


Kerry won't do it without raising taxes.

Do you make more than $200,000 a year as a retiree? If not, your taxes will not increase with Kerry. Unless he’s faking his stance, which he has little incentive to do.

Kerry stated he will raise taxes, he never said who's or how much. I don't want another politican taking away more from people. I want to see streamlining of what we have and less government spending instead of trying to placate everybody.

I don't want another politican taking away more from people.

If this is really how you feel about taxation, then go buy some land in one of those nowhere states, stockpile weapons, and keep the thieving government at bay, but if you want to take off that gorilla head and join the rest of the human race, then please realize that without more taxation there will be no military, no medicare, no social security, and no a lot of other things, because of the spending that Bush has done, and the taxes he refuses to collect.

At least Bush redudced taxes and gave tax money back to people didn't he? I'd rather that someone gives something instead of taking it wouldn't you? Yes , Bush is a millionaire also but the press never talks about Kerrys millions as they do Bush.

Yes, but schools are having to unscrew every other light bulb in order to save money now. Aren't you glad that Bush slashed taxes for the rich and decided to run us into the biggest deficit in the history of civilization. What happened to the party of fiscal responsibility? I'd welcome a tax hike for the rich.

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Get $300 today off your taxes, and pay $600 tommorow to make up the mess your selfishness made. I didn't make it up, the GAO did!

i don´t like this kerry much ... but i have to admit :
somebody who says ( BEFORE election ! )that he will raise taxes is somewhat brave ... and maybe even honest

Yeah, saying you're going to raise taxes before an election is a brilliant strategy. Look how well it worked for Mondale.

That might still be the worst all-time ass-beating in history. What a buffoon.

He carried Minnesota. Figures. :confused:

Kerry stated he will raise taxes, he never said who's or how much.

False. He says he wants only to restore taxes on $200,000+ to Clinton-era levels.


Kerry: GOP Critics 'Crooked, Lying Group' (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040310/ap_on_el_pr/kerry_21):
Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry on Wednesday called for deeper tax cuts for the middle class than proposed by President Bush and described his Republican critics as "the most crooked ... lying group I've ever seen."


I want to see streamlining of what we have and less government spending instead of trying to placate everybody.

That’s good. Almost anybody would spend less than Bush, who’s furiously giving away the store to his wealthy supporters.

Cosmictraveler don't see taxes in a selfish perspective. You see taxes as the less there are the more money I have, thats Bush's general proposal on these tax returns to rais the moral of America. But when you pay more taxes the money goes to the people, not the president, and you will benefit from those taxes in the long run and so will future generations.

This raises the question of how much taxation is fair. I guess it depends on who you are. The only fair taxation I see is the flat tax at an agreed %. "Agreed by whom?' you say. Well that's a toughie. I don't trust our politicians or the American people to think rationally, so I am guessing this is one of the main stumbling blocks preventing this from moving forward.

zanket....... You say that Kerry wants to lower taxes but guess what,this is what Kerry already has voted on.......

"John Kerry has voted for higher taxes 350 times and his numbers for new spending don't add up," said Steve Schmidt, a Bush campaign spokesman. "His campaign-trail promises mean he is going to raise taxes by at least $900 billion." It is the first time the Bush campaign has put a number on tax hikes it says Kerry favors.

Kerry's record is irrelevant to what his program on taxes are going to be. It's all pretty and nice to spew out numbers but you have to understand the context of the vote to understand why he did it. Kerry has shown that he will preserve the middle class tax cut and get rid of the high end one. That would not make up the shortfall sadly the US will still be in deficit.

I'm so happy! I can get $300 nifty dollars off these wonderful tax cuts! Now I can finally buy my dream car thanks to the best president ever! I don't care that if every American saves $300 dollars from taxes it will take away $37,500,000,000 from the government. That money doesn't go towards anything anyways, except for those fatcat's wallets, right, right, right?

well I'm sure none of it goes towards social security or medicare, right? Heck, those sorts of things are for pansys any way, its a good thing the tax cuts are going to eliminate them! If you grow old without being able to suport yourself, you probably werent a republican anyway, am I right? And medicare is almost like socialism, evil filthy dirty socialism *shiver*

The cops and ambulances are also signs of socialism... oh the horror;/

Those shameless vultures, fixing up people and solving crimes on my dime. Who gives them the moral authority? *Channels Ayn Rand*

Americans have just insured themselves the biggest tax increase ever. HURRAH!

We will see about tax hikes. So far Bush LOWERED taxes unlike Kerry who voted to raise them.

Well, since taxes need to be raised good for Kerry.

Even though as pointed out before what the two men did in the past regarding taxes is not relevant. This is a new enviroment with different reasons to raise/lower taxes.

We will see about tax hikes. So far Bush LOWERED taxes unlike Kerry who voted to raise them.

The whole point is that raising taxes helps America and the country as a whole. Lowering taxes only helps those who already have a lot of money. People who need the money won't be getting much, while the billionaires will be gaining extreme profits. (which is the whole reason for Bush lowering taxes, his buds in the oil industry)

ScrollMaker......I'm very sorry that you didn't recieve a tax cut or refund check last year. I did and I don't make millions or even hundereds of thousands, much less. I am thankfull to have any little bit back into my pocket instead of wherever it goes as taxes. I'd like to see where all the taxes go besides defense , which is the only thing in the Constitution that is allowed for.

cosmictraveler, you are ignorant. Only someone ignorant would be happy to get a tax cut when the deficit is skyrocketing.

cosmictraveler, you are ignorant. Only someone ignorant would be happy to get a tax cut when the deficit is skyrocketing.

cosmictaveler also seems to think that money is taxed and simply disappears. he cant seem to get it through his selfish narrowmind that he benefits in uncountable ways from the taxes he pays. ways that if he were to add up the money it would cost him individually would be impossible to achieve.

Cosmic, let me try to explain this a little better.

Due to our deficit, the exchange rate of the US dollar is expected to drop. This means that anything bought from another country will cost more. Most (if not all) of the products you buy depend on some source of material/parts from outside the United States. With the material/parts cost going up, wages will either go down or final product cost will go up. Either way, you'll end up losing much more than the $300 that you happened to get back.

Number wise, you have more money... but that money is WORTH less.

Cosmic you misinterpreted my quote:

You receive a tax cut of $300 last year ok, hurrah! Great news, what could be better? Well simple economics would dictate a balanced budget; consider the nation’s purse as your own. She makes x amount of money and spends y amount of money. Now in 2000 x exceeded y by $250 billion or so. Thus a tax cut would not have been so out of the loop; tax cuts are ok if they are done in proper economic conditions. But when you are in $550 billion in the hole, things start to happen. You will start to pay more for products like Persol said, also since the gov't has to cut social programs you will be paying more through private organizations thus nullifying any tax cut. If the US wants to survive the next 40 years she has to increase taxes, you will be paying more in direct taxes as time goes on. You have insured your tax increases because the US can't afford to sustain this pace for much longer.

ScrollMaker......I'm very sorry that you didn't recieve a tax cut or refund check last year. I did and I don't make millions or even hundereds of thousands, much less. I am thankfull to have any little bit back into my pocket instead of wherever it goes as taxes. I'd like to see where all the taxes go besides defense , which is the only thing in the Constitution that is allowed for.

No, I wouldn't have received any tax cuts, but my parents did receive $800. If anyone, the poor should receive tax cuts and not the rich.

Edit: That's $800 each I believe. I'll double check that later.

You have insured your tax increases because the US can't afford to sustain this pace for much longer.

And when those taxes are raised, those of cosmictraveler’s ilk will blame that on who had the guts to raise them, rather than who was selfish enough to lower them.

And we wonder why most people are in debt? Economics in high school anyone?

Americans routinely score very low in math, and logics obviously. They are basically dealing with the same section of the brain.

And we wonder why most people are in debt? Economics in high school anyone? Who are you referring to?

I'd like to see them CUT spending to all programs that are duplicates of each other. We have so many governmental agencies working out there that they never know what the other one is doing. Streamling what we have, CUT JOBS, would be a good way to start. Like in any business if it doesn't do what it is supposed to then dissolve it.

But the opposite is happening, the organizations that you are describing is the defence, and intelligence agencies. They suck up most of the Federal budget their share of that budget is increasing beyond belief. By the end of this decade your military is expected to suck $1 trillion per annum. Where is that money going to come from? From your wallet that's where, you in the long term will suffer greatly. Also let's face facts here, gov't spending before Bush was tame! The budget surplus showed as such, it was the defence budget and the tax cut that created this problem. To shift the burden of social programs to the individual would create a social collapse in the US.

Yes, here are the largest duplicated government programs: Army, Air Force, Navy, Marines. Cut jobs there. At least they wouldn't grow as fast with Kerry, while he unwinds Bush's oil grab.

I'd like to see them CUT spending to all programs that are duplicates of each other. We have so many governmental agencies working out there that they never know what the other one is doing. Streamling what we have, CUT JOBS, would be a good way to start. Like in any business if it doesn't do what it is supposed to then dissolve it.Actually, this is a bad idea. One way or another, the citizens pay for a certain number of services. Laying off jobs which can be handled by private industry results in more overhead (in theory). Streamlining is very expensive and difficult. Any lay-off large enough to save a signifigant amount of money in the short-term will cause drastic social problems.

We don't have as many duplicate programs as people tend to think.

Either way more taxes less taxes I still dont have any money.

You all can drop to my level. White trash all the way.

I think you could cut either the subsidies paid to peanut farmers or the programs that find uses for surplus peanuts. Likely lots of stuff like that is still going on. Bound to happen when a 4-million-person company never lays anyone off. The military is the best place to cut first. Well, after that cockamamie humans-on-Mars plan; millions monthly are probably already being spent on that.

There are duplicate agencies also that are doing the same exact thing that need to be consoladated. There are many agencies that are created that do absolutly nothing but waste timne and money. Let an efficancy expert examine all the different agencies and see what they come up with to streamline what the government has. The constitution allows for a department of defense and national guard but not a department of energy and other agencies that have been established in order to BLOAT the government with more people to ensure it will have all the votes it needs to feed itself. The government is very top heavy and gets heavier with each administration, just in different ways. The Republicans BLOAT the military while the Democrates BLOAT the other agencies.

The government is very top heavy and gets heavier with each administration, just in different ways. The Republicans BLOAT the military while the Democrates BLOAT the other agencies.

Actually gov't consumption of the GDP had been going down before Bush. There was a trend over the last 30 years where less and less gov't was popular:

Expenditure - Government consumption

United States:
1970-18.0
1975- 18.0
1980-17.0
1985-18.0
1990-17.0
1995-15.0
2000-14.0
2001-15.1

As you can plainly see the gov't expenditure greatly decreased under Clinton b.c of the peace dividend and non-military programs did not suck as much as you would think. Now with a $400 billion military sucking up about half of the budget, the rest of the programs budgets will grow slower then inflation. Also gov't consumption of GDP now is very high I am not sure how high. Any gains made in Clinton’s era are totally goners. It makes no sense to me how a person can support tax cuts, yet complain about excessive gov't spending. When the person he supports (BUSH) is doing both!

Where in the Consstitution does it call for a Department of Energy, or of State Or of Transportation? There's many things that have been added to the governments role that aren't allowed for by the Constitution that I could find. Why is there so many agencies and more and more people staffing them when they aren't needed according to thr Constitution?

Cosmic back when the constitution was drafted the US did not have an energy system, she did not have highways, and she did not even reach all the way past the Appalachians. Using your logic the US shouldn't even own anything past those mountains, and I assume you drive on cement roads. If you enjoy these socialist accomplishments then I do suggest that you don’t complain. If you don’t then I assume you would not complain when you pay for cement roads all by yourself. Defense of course should be funded we aren't saying otherwise. What we are saying is that if you like to complain about budgetary redundancy then don't look at the social programs, the defense budget the largest redundancy of them all. Welcome to 2004, or 1924 for that case.

C'mon cosmic. You think a 3-page document is going to cover everything the US needs? The Constitution is just the foundation of law; it excludes the details, of which there are rooms-full. The DOE & DOT may have waste within them but certainly without them your life would be worse. If you disagree, you can escape the system by moving to a hippie beach in Hawaii. Those people pay no taxes but they're on their own for energy, roads etc.

cosmic, do you know what the constitution is? It defines who gets to make what decisions, and the formations of agencies within each branch is well within the rights defined by the constitution. A constitution doesn’t bother itself with every little thing, it talks about how the government is to be run, its not going to define if turning right on red is acceptable.

Wants to tax everyone more. Why is it millionairs always want to tax us more don't they make enough already? are you talking about rich politicians or lobbists for the rich? My problem with most peoples' view of taxes, is that we all need taxes for government to use to build infrastructure, pay for fire services, police, roads, etc... And it seems that nobody wants to pay for it, or they want somebody else to.
Tell us Mr. Richman, how do you propose we build & maintain these services, etc.? What would be the optimum level of services & tax rates? Should welfare, Medi-Care, SSI, unemployment, & Social Security be cut or eliminated? Oh, and BTW, don't tell us "to eat cake".



We are fools if we vote for someone who wants to, as Kerry has stated, raise our taxes again. Kerry wants to repeal the part that goes to people that earn more than $200,000, I take it you earn that very, very middle-class amount? Good for you. BTW, the money from you & your rich buddies is supposed to go for healthcare for the working poor, etc. Most people vote for people that would never tell them the truth anyway, look Nixon, Reagan, Clinton & Baby Bush made it, so your point is?

We are doomed, that is my point.

If everyone continues to only be educated to your level, then yes, yes we are.

It's sad when people who don't even live in this country know more about how it works than you.

We are doomed, that is my point.

Do explain your thesis on how the US is doomed, if the US keeps these tax cuts without cutting spending the US doomed.

Im thinking that Kerry and Chairman Mao were really good friends.

Sounds like something a Republican would say...unsubstantiated.