Keeping your ass warm vs. Keeping this planet alive.

Now seriously, folks, when you think about it, who's more important? You? Or the planet we call Earth? I don't mean to be rude to anyone of you wonderful human beings, but if anyone of us died, it would actually make life on the planet a little more bearable for the beautiful, innocent animals (OTHER than humans) that try to live simply. It's like that phrase, Live simply so that others may simply live. :m: I like that phrase.

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Humans are the most pollution-causing, trouble-making, planet-ruining, selfish, useless, weak, immature creatures on this planet. The ONLY reason, and I repeat ONLY, that we're alive is because of our curious, brilliant, conniving minds. Other then that, think about it. We have two weak, short little legs that wouldn't get us away from any large predator with an empty belly. We have no fur; without the clothes we've designed we'd freeze our butts off. Our arms are two little limp things about as useful as a t-rex's. If put an average, naked person in the middle of the wild, they would probably die within a few days. Can this begin to make you realize how useless we are? I mean, put a cat in the wild. They've got fur, powerful instincts, teeth, claws, a sharp mind--they would last SO much longer then a human. And with a cat, you've got it all right there. Weapons, clothes, mind, everything. With a human, put 'em in front of a roaring grizzly bear and they can't think or protect themselves without a gun in their hand.<br><br>In my mind, what should happen is that humans should clean up all the messes we've made until there is absolutely no trace left. Then everyone who would harm the planet knowingly would be kicked out into space. Everyone else would be given lessons on how to live properly, and they would have to abide by these, or they'd be kicked out into space. This is the nice version of my plan. The not-so-nice version is this: we clean up all the messes we've made and EVERYONE is kicked out into space, leaving the planet to the animals, as it should have been from the beginning.<br><br>Now, to the subject of the title of this thread: seriously, which is more important? All the millions of beautiful animals that live on this planet? Or keeping your ass warm? I mean, look at Bush trying to dig for oil in Alaskan wildlife reserves. To keep HIS ass warm, he's killing thousands of rare, beautiful animals and ruining natural habitat. How conceited, stupid, and childish is that. In my eyes, it's really as if this incredibly destructive country is being run by a bunch of six-year-old boys. What we need is for everyone to GROW UP a bit more before they start to call themselves adults and running for president. Most of us Americans are really just self-indulging babies. Isn't it about time that we realize that wow, believe it or not, we are NOT the most important race, country, or creature on earth? And another thing: people are so insecure that they walk around saying that their opinion is the only correct one, and that anyone who disagrees with them is stupid and doesn't know what they're talking about. Wow. What makes the human race so INTERESTING is that everyone is DIFFERENT, dammit. If we were all just a little more secure and sure of ourselves, the world would be such a better place.<br><br>"I have it good, very good, and I'm grateful, but since the age of seven, I've become hateful toward all humans in general. Only because it seems so easy for people to get along who have empathy. Only because I love and feel sorry for people too much I guess." -- Kurt Cobain<br><br>Peace, love, empathy.<br>Shadowa

 

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i think we should just trash the place, have some fun, and when its inhabitable move somewhere else.
we're the most intelligent thing on this planet, we should be able to do whatever we want with it. i mean, if a tiger got in charge, you think theyd cut us any slack?

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The primary reason I cannot vote for bush is how negligent he is towards the environment. Everything else is secondary, as it should be, the earth is the singular most important thing we have, We can't afford to fuck it up.

I don't know if Kerry will be any better, since he has his pockets lined with big business too. But, in the same breath, Kerry, almost by necessity, has to do the opposite of what bush has done in order to be elected, additionally no more fucking cheney is a great proposition.

I really hope that when I'm 80 we haven't totally ruined everything, I think right now is a pretty pivotal time. We need to start working to ease our oil dependency, embrace alternative fuels, increase wild life preservation, ban clear cutting everywhere we can, but most of all, we need to get people to realize that we only have one earth, there is no where else to go after this.

it's hard though, people aren't willing to change, and corporations aren't willing to lose *any* money...

 

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yep we should trash it definetely we will have interplanetary travel soon enough plus i figure we could get nanodecomposition technology involved in garbage sooner or later and that will basicly stop the trash from piling up. If not we can always move on.

 

Humanity is the Control Element...

Anything that survives our presence is fit to go on living...

Anything that is killed off by us would have died out anyway.

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there's this comedian... George something... he put it very interestingly...

the earth has endured earth quakes, volcano eruptions, getting hit by a massive asteroid, the super-continent being split into 5, reversal of the magnetic poles (something that has to do with electro-magnetic energy), massive dust clouds that blocked the sun, the ice age, etc. etc.
what's a little polution gonna do? even if all vegetation is gonna be destroyed, and the ozone layer will get fucked, it'll fix itself within a hundred or so years after we're gone

even if it takes ten-thousand years, what is 10000 years compared to 4000000000 (four billion) years that earth has been around?

all the efforts to "save the earth" are sort of silly

 

It's selfishness, pure and simple...

You don't think these people really want to "save" the Earth for any reason but to crow about having done so.

Once it's accomplished, though, the joke will be on them...

Just as they are getting set to thumb their noses at the people who have been "kicked out into space", they realize that they don't know a damn thing about how to survive without all the gizmos of modern society - because, after all, we're quite incapable of living without 'em - and promptly go extinct...

Then the "exiles" can move back in and set about rebuilding things...

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Has anyone ever heard of the ideiolical policy of living for the 7th generation? The idea is work to make the world better for your children, grandchildren and future generations. If we were to fuck the world now then we would be reducing the chances of the survival of future generations. This is wrong in that we would be killing our species for or own benefit now, but because of how human greed works and the short sightedness of people it likely no one gives a dam about future generations.

 

Wrong Robot, I totally agree with you.

The rest of you are hopelessly childish in my eyes and make me laugh.

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Have fun trashing this beautiful and varied planet that was given to our care, BECAUSE we are so intelligent.

Uzi, I don't know if you thought about all that stuff you listed, but all of that is natural--EXCEPT pollution, which is man-made.

 

Otheadp--sorry, I called you Uzi by mistake!

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I like your style of writing, even though I disagree with your point.

 

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I don't know if you thought about all that stuff you listed, but all of that is natural--EXCEPT pollution, which is man-made.
plastic is non-bio-degradable... supposedly...
so you know what will happen to it? mother-earth will find a way to integrate it into its natural order. that's what it does best. it'll be "earth + plastic"

if you watched those educational videos on discovery channels about the pre-dinosaur era -- earth's "early years"... even the crust was not stable. all that was on the surface was volcanos, lava rivers, scorched earth, and poison clouds in the atmosphere that no body could breath and also blocked sun rays.

and believe it or not, despite the fact there was no Green Peace back in the day, the earth has survived! and it has restored itself... and even after the asteroid hit and destroyed vegetation and life, and the sun couldn't penetrate, even then, it was restored - again, without any help from Green Peace.

so how much danger does Plastic pose, really??? polution in the oceans? same thing. it'll just cleanse itself - without Green Peace's help!

the earth doesn't care. it'll be here long after we're all gone. the only ones that get hurt from pollution is us...humans... not the earth.

but you know what, anything you do will cause pollution. no matter what.
the 7th-generation living is an interesting idea, but i'll never meet my 7th generation... i will live for myself, not for them.

additionally, i saw a show once that said that people from 200 years ago would not be able to breath the same air as we're breathing... that is because our bodies have adjusted to the pollution levels.
so logically one can conclude that the 7th generation will have lungs that will have adjusted themselves to the future level of pollution.. that is if we still have pollution 150 years from now

 

We are also the most intelligent, creative, and adaptable animals on the planet. Our cerebral cortex is the most novel and complex structure in the known universe. Our bodies are not as weak as you imply, just look at the olympics for example. It is true that people have made a mess of nature. but then again, we are also a product of nature. Perhaps this great upheaval of the existing order is necessary for another kind of order to emerge. The problem endangers us, not the planet. Nature can take care of itself. So it is absurd to talk of saving the earth or saving the planet.

 

I'm sure the Earth will adapt or figure it all out in the end, but that doesn't change the fact that it's a sad thing to see forests destroyed, species of animal go endangered and extinct, and all directly as a result of our meddling. Sure, one day humanity will be gone, the earth will live on, new life will flourish..etc..etc.

It's a lot easier to mess things up than to fix them, and we have the means to do both. Just because it's more work to fix things for us doesn't mean we shouldn't try.

 

what do u mean "mess things up"?
what about the species that get extinct every day just by nature? is that "earth messing up" too?

it is not wrong or right, it just is

 

I don't think that's right... By just resigning to the fact that

"Hey guys i think we fucked it up big time. But so be it. Shit happens."

You're accepting that the artificial-accelerated-extinction inflicted upon the natural world is an event of inevitability. And that our relentless assaults on our natural environments are all innocuous and "natural" processes. So there's absolutely nothing wrong about doing so since capricious Nature is violent, destructive and unforgiving by default.

You're indicating that the best course of action is to do nothing. And be a silent and passive observer to the merciless assaults on our ecological world.

I personally see that as a gross abomination. And even though as an individual I cannot hope to change much, at least I'm prepared to commit towards the greater cause. To meet up with like-minded people, to join up with initatives and to fulfil my role as a citizen of our green planet. The last thing that our world needs now is for people to adopt a mentality of apathy and indifference and inaction.

 

"You're indicating that the best course of action is to do nothing. And be a silent and passive observer to the merciless assaults on our ecological world.

I personally see that as a gross abomination."

As do I. A gross abomination of the highest order. As far as we know so far, this planet is the only planet harbouring "intellegent" life. That being so that makes us unique. To eliminate something unique is unconscionable. To do nothing but exascerbate the problem is greedy. To watch animals die or go extinct for our own edification and or profit is murder.

 

Are we really being" silent and passive observer to the merciless assaults on our ecological world. "...

Or merely acting as agents of Evolution.

Natural processes have resulted in more widespread extinction than anything our race's puny efforts could manage...
The "Planet Killer" asteroid killed off what... 90% of all species alive at the time it struck the Earth...?

It's smarmy and nauseatingly self-centered to go on as we are, from one point of view - and not necessarily a bad point of view...

But in the grand scheme of things, what we do is meaningless.

 

Most people don't listen to that, unfortunately...
They think that their "economy" is more important then the planet. They say that their well-being is rooted and dependent on a piece of paper. They think that it is more important to produce junk to keep themselves entertained then to be careful with what they produce not to produce more garbage. Have you seen all the useless junk we produce. Other day, I saw a can-opener that sang the Canadian hymn.... :bugeye:

That's normal nowdays... specially for the usual americans. Look at how much they consume. What is it again? 2/3 of all the world production?

Have you seen the movies Hollywood produce? Specially the action ones. They look like they were written by 7 year old boys, with all the explosions and stuff. And all the wars that have been made? All those tanks and stuff. They look like little boys playing..... :bugeye:

Maybe "we" should stop thinking about ourselves as different countries and different people and start thinking about ourselves as humans, equal everywhere in the planet; not only recognizing and accepting our differences but also appreciating them...

It's a little bit more then that. Communication is harder between different people because their backgrounds and environments are different (not to mention language). You sure are right about being different and self-confidence, but that is not the only issue. Lots of people try to be equal to everybody else in order to be accepted and "popular". It is sad, but people don't valorize the great variety of cultures in this planet. Specially americans, that in great part even ridicule other cultures or completely ignore them...

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Good post. I haven't seen that good for a long time....



Try also this...

http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=38470

 

Love Spirit, you're my god. Thank you so much for your wonderful response to my post. You're one of the most mature people I've ever met...even though I've never met you.

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Would that there were more like you on this planet. I found everything you said wise, thoughtful, and thought-provoking. Hope we can talk some more. Email me if you feel like it. vala_windwolf@yahoo.com
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What a load of crap! If your ass isn't warm, you're not going to give a damn about the environment. Look at all the bellyaching about $2 a gallon gas! A clean environment is a luxery, which is why the main people agitating for environmental causes are spoiled rich kids and celebrities with time on their hands.