Anyone here from Australia know what do they do with the animals culled? Are they eaten? Are things made from Kangaroo leather?

Culling (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24668259/)

Defense authorities outraged animal rights campaigners Friday by reviving plans to kill 400 kangaroos that are causing environmental damage on the outskirts of Australia's capital.

The Defense Department abandoned the plan in March in the face of an international outcry and decided to truck the kangaroos from the abandoned military site in suburban Canberra to remote forest land.

But defense spokesman Brigadier Andrew Nikolic said Friday that transporting the marsupials was too expensive at $3.3 million — $8,200 per animal.

"Defense therefore has no option but to undertake a cull," Nikolic said.

The issue has split Australians over the merits of killing their beloved national symbol to protect rare lizards and insects that share their grassy habitat.

Wildlife Protection Association of Australia president Pat O'Brien said he and scores of other protesters were determined to prevent contractors from killing any kangaroos among the 600 that are overgrazing on rare native grassland.

"We're absolutely disgusted by what's happening and we'll be in there to protect the kangaroos if there's any attempt to kill them," said O'Brien.....

they sell some to dog meat factories

You can spot a kangaroo hunter because they have hooks rigged up all over the back of their vehicle for carrying dead bodies

http://www.ausafari.com.au/hunting_vehicle_with_load_o.jpg

Whatever restaurants sell kangaroo meat do so as an exotic speciality - there is no significant commercial demand for the human consumption of kangaroo meat ... and it looks unlikely to develop given the ever increasing health and safety issues that surround the consumption of meat

As for leather, australia doesn't have a large enough population to compete with industrial trade (local industry = primary industry) - same with the rest of the western world (although australia is arguably "southern" ...) Most of the world's leather comes from India simply because its to hard to make a buck from the skins of all the slaughtered cows in the USA/Europe and Australia ... what to speak of the dead kangaroos

Whatever restaurants sell kangaroo meat do so as an exotic speciality - there is no significant commercial demand for the human consumption of kangaroo meat ... and it looks unlikely to develop given the ever increasing health and safety issues that surround the consumption of meat
That's not true, the popularity of kangaroo meat has risen dramatically in the last few years. Most grocery stores and butchers in Australia sell kangaroo meat in many forms these days. "Kanga bangas"(sausages) are huge around here, where do you live?

Kangaroo leather is a great product, it's lighter and more durable than cow leather, I have some fancy kangaroo shoes myself.

You can spot a kangaroo hunter because they have hooks rigged up all over the back of their vehicle for carrying dead bodies
Most rigs like that you see about the place are for hunting wild pigs. Way more popular target for recreational hunters. It's usually the government and local councils culling kangaroos, after that farmers, then you get a few people who like to sportingly hunt kangaroos, mostly in western australia where there's nothing more fun.

There's way more kangaroos now than there ever has been in history, I doubt most of the ones culled end up food for humans or leather, probably goes to waste. Farmers in australia don't "buy" dog food, it's always the legs off a freshly shot roo, but nothing seems to affect their population. They're one of the rare marsupial success stories.

That's not true, the popularity of kangaroo meat has risen dramatically in the last few years. Most grocery stores and butchers in Australia sell kangaroo meat in many forms these days. "Kanga bangas"(sausages) are huge around here, where do you live?
kangaroo meat comes from professional kangaroo farms - not culling operations

Kangaroo leather is a great product, it's lighter and more durable than cow leather, I have some fancy kangaroo shoes myself.
bet they cost you a packet too (unless you made them yourself)


Most rigs like that you see about the place are for hunting wild pigs. Way more popular target for recreational hunters. It's usually the government and local councils culling kangaroos, after that farmers, then you get a few people who like to sportingly hunt kangaroos, mostly in western australia where there's nothing more fun.
to say the least, they lack a bit of imagination ....
:(


There's way more kangaroos now than there ever has been in history, I doubt most of the ones culled end up food for humans or leather, probably goes to waste.
there's no "probably" about it
:(

Australia culls Kangaroos, Canada culls seals, America culls black people of death row, New Zealand culls Mowa. What is it about colonials. Is there a colonial cull gene?

kangaroo meat comes from professional kangaroo farms - not culling operations
Oh ok, yeah I figured that might be the case.

Australia culls Kangaroos, Canada culls seals, America culls black people of death row, New Zealand culls Mowa. What is it about colonials. Is there a colonial cull gene?

but we're killing them to save them (hope you all like south park). when they overpopulate an area, there's not enough food, and some may die. its actually the 'colonial kindness gene'. like helping out the aborigines with all their issues.

They don't give the culled kangaroo to the aborigines? When they culled bison at Custer State Park, they gave them to the Sioux. In fact the Sioux were very much involved in it.
Here, when there is a large deer population, they give out extra licenses and you can donate your deer to the homeless shelters.

They don't give the culled kangaroo to the aborigines?
Why would they do that?

Killing and eating Australia's national emblem. SHAME!

Killing and eating Australia's national emblem. SHAME!


Actually Australia has many state animals...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_national_animals#Australia

you can donate your deer to the homeless shelters.

what do they do with them - hollow them out and live in them?

what do they do with them - hollow them out and live in them?

I've never quite understood the programs here. In Texas, they have somehting called ``Hunters for the Hungry'', where you can donate extra game to the State, and they redistribute it. But why not sell the meat at auction and buy chicken or something. I mean, a pound of wild venison should be worth two or three pounds of chicken, at least.

I wish they would cull the chavs and scallies in the U.K. It makes no sense. They say, "this animal is doing such-and-such to the environment", but they don't apply the same premis to this particular human/chimp halfbreed. They're wrecking my bus journeys!

scallies!?!

Your name wouldn't be Boris Johnson would it?

I wish they would cull the chavs and scallies in the U.K. It makes no sense. They say, "this animal is doing such-and-such to the environment", but they don't apply the same premis to this particular human/chimp halfbreed. They're wrecking my bus journeys!

Fuck yeah - its enough to turn you Tory init!

I wouldn't go that far.

I don't think america has any right to say shit about it, the fact americans can shoot bears and cougars absolutely boggles my mind. I mean I think they're lifting the ban on shooting wolves in some places. That's truely shocking.
It's like the US doesn't realise it's not the 1800s anymore, or like the 1800s didn't happen and they've learned nothing.

Kangaroo and deer have proven they can deal with humans targetting them, wolves and other big predators have consistently proven around the world through history that they can't.

Bans against hunting predators are being lifted because there are too many of them. Here in California, mountain lion attacks are becoming more frequent. A Coyote tried to snatch a child from a playground near LA just last week. No one is advocating efforts to exterminate large predators.

American residential areas will keep encroaching into wilderness areas and predators will keep attacking people untill there's no predators left. But at least you'll all be able to act surprised and say you never advocated it.

Why are people always blaming coyotes and mt lions? We lost more kittens, ducks and chickens to owls than anything else

This is just one reason why people think that environmentalism really sucks.

I don't think america has any right to say shit about it, the fact americans can shoot bears and cougars absolutely boggles my mind. I mean I think they're lifting the ban on shooting wolves in some places. That's truely shocking.
It's like the US doesn't realise it's not the 1800s anymore, or like the 1800s didn't happen and they've learned nothing.

Kangaroo and deer have proven they can deal with humans targetting them, wolves and other big predators have consistently proven around the world through history that they can't.

Killing predators in some places (like aerial wolf shoots in Alaska) is to protect big game animals like moose and bou. They're worth a lot commercially, and for many subsistence communities in the bush who can't afford to fly in food otherwise.

And yes, we've learned lots from the 1800s. Fish & Game biologists do a lot of environmental modeling to find out how much you can take from wild populations. It's a science. Hunting and fishing is very tightly regulated in the US.

Killing predators in some places (like aerial wolf shoots in Alaska) is to protect big game animals like moose and bou. They're worth a lot commercially, and for many subsistence communities in the bush who can't afford to fly in food otherwise.

And yes, we've learned lots from the 1800s. Fish & Game biologists do a lot of environmental modeling to find out how much you can take from wild populations. It's a science. Hunting and fishing is very tightly regulated in the US.

:bravo:
I don't understand why some people think hunters just go out and massacre the wildlife. Saw Bambi one too many times perhaps.
Hunters want to protect the environment and do more than PETA ever even thought about.

I can't wait until they start killing people for causing environmental damage.
Besides, we all know who is really responsible..

:bravo:
I don't understand why some people think hunters just go out and massacre the wildlife. Saw Bambi one too many times perhaps.
Hunters want to protect the environment..

:roflmao:

I can't wait until they start killing people for causing environmental damage.
Besides, we all know who is really responsible..

They already talk about wanting to.

They already talk about wanting to.

Who are ?

Fuck yeah - its enough to turn you Tory init!

Would you please note that according to the Oxford English Dictionary, revised edition 2007, " init is spelled with two ns.

So, init is spelled innit, innit ?

Why are people always blaming coyotes and mt lions? We lost more kittens, ducks and chickens to owls than anything else

I have taken up cat drowning as a hobby. We have 10 million in the UK and they kill countless birds. I am considering exterminating cat owners as another way to solve the problem.

Why are people always blaming coyotes and mt lions? We lost more kittens, ducks and chickens to owls than anything else

Most people don't give a hoot

Why are people always blaming coyotes and mt lions? We lost more kittens, ducks and chickens to owls than anything else

Seriously ? Do you know for a fact that owls snatch kittens, ducks and chickens ?

/intrigued

My question would be: why do people choose to blame the wildlife for it, in stead of looking at themselves ?

My question would be: why do people choose to blame the wildlife for it, in stead of looking at themselves ?

If a woman wears a short skirt and gets raped, whose fault is it?

I have taken up cat drowning as a hobby. We have 10 million in the UK and they kill countless birds. I am considering exterminating cat owners as another way to solve the problem.

Its not illegal to kill feral cats here. I say got for it. The birds are the natural species where the cats aren't.

Why stop at ferals? If it's in ur garden, shittin in ur flowers....

Seriously ? Do you know for a fact that owls snatch kittens, ducks and chickens ?

/intrigued

Owls eat rabbits and other birds. Our cats and fowl were no different. Hawks got them as well.

Our dogs had a hissy fit whenever coyotes came close, owls/hawks were there and gone with our dogs being none the wiser. Its quite startling to see.

Why stop at ferals? If it's in ur garden, shittin in ur flowers....

That reminds me. You poop in my daisies one more time Roman....I won't be responsible! :mad:

If a woman wears a short skirt and gets raped, whose fault is it?

LOL what kind of analogy is that ?

Let me see..

The woman with the short skirt is the threatened wild life such as the lizards etc they talked about in the article.
The rapist is.. well who exactly ? Man or kangaroo ?

That reminds me. You poop in my daisies one more time Roman....I won't be responsible! :mad:

Yes.
Name a good reason why it should be allowed to kill cats that poop in your daisies, while it is considered 'evil' to kill roman when he poops in your daisies ?

Do you think it is because humans have a superiority complex or is it because most humans are dumb idiots that don't think twice before doing something ?

Owls eat rabbits and other birds. Our cats and fowl were no different. Hawks got them as well.

Our dogs had a hissy fit whenever coyotes came close, owls/hawks were there and gone with our dogs being none the wiser. Its quite startling to see.

You saw the owls get chickens, ducks and kittens ?
What owls were they ?
I'm perplexed..

Who are ?

The environmentalists.

I have taken up cat drowning as a hobby. We have 10 million in the UK and they kill countless birds. I am considering exterminating cat owners as another way to solve the problem.

They also kill mice and rats. Better keep them on the job.

The environmentalists.

Ah yes.. but how do you link that to legal culling, ordered by authorities ?

Yes.
Name a good reason why it should be allowed to kill cats that poop in your daisies, while it is considered 'evil' to kill roman when he poops in your daisies ?....

I don't remember saying a thing about killing a cat for pooping in my flowers. And I don't know anyone who would think it would be evil to kill Roman for pooping in my daisies. In fact, I think Roman understand the risk he takes for pooping in my flowers and it just makes it that much more fun for him. Its why he pees in your beer.

You saw the owls get chickens, ducks and kittens ?
What owls were they ?
I'm perplexed..

I have no idea what kind of owl it was. I didn't even know it was an owl til my Mom said "damned owl" And it snagged the kitten so fast it was hard to even comprehend it had even happened.
I have seen a hawk (those I recognize) get 2 young chickens and 1 duck. They never carried them off the way the owl did the kitten. They just dove and nailed them. They never attacked the guinea hens though.

And they were smart. They never got them close to the house, coop, or barn. Its like one of them wandered off and that was when they got killed.

Have you ever even been on a farm? :bugeye:

actually the reason for the cull is that there are other endangored species that are only found in that area (i belive). As for kangroo meat even woolworths sellls it, it is very good for you being because unlike cows and sheep the fat on a kangroo is not only very lean but is also unstaturated.

They also kill mice and rats. Better keep them on the job.

Why didn't I think of that? Don't tell me !

Yes.
Name a good reason why it should be allowed to kill cats that poop in your daisies, while it is considered 'evil' to kill roman when he poops in your daisies ?

Depends what sort of pussy liberal country you're in. In the state of Florida, you get to shoot people on your land if they don't have permission to be there.

I don't remember saying a thing about killing a cat for pooping in my flowers. And I don't know anyone who would think it would be evil to kill Roman for pooping in my daisies. In fact, I think Roman understand the risk he takes for pooping in my flowers and it just makes it that much more fun for him. Its why he pees in your beer.

I don't drink beer :)

I have no idea what kind of owl it was. I didn't even know it was an owl til my Mom said "damned owl" And it snagged the kitten so fast it was hard to even comprehend it had even happened.
I have seen a hawk (those I recognize) get 2 young chickens and 1 duck. They never carried them off the way the owl did the kitten. They just dove and nailed them. They never attacked the guinea hens though.

And they were smart. They never got them close to the house, coop, or barn. Its like one of them wandered off and that was when they got killed.
Interesting, thanks :)

Have you ever even been on a farm? :bugeye:
Uh, yes I have.. why ? :bugeye:

actually the reason for the cull is that there are other endangored species that are only found in that area (i belive). As for kangroo meat even woolworths sellls it, it is very good for you being because unlike cows and sheep the fat on a kangroo is not only very lean but is also unstaturated.

But how come all of a sudden these kangaroos are threatening the rare wildlife ?
There haven't been any problems for millions of years..

Depends what sort of pussy liberal country you're in. In the state of Florida, you get to shoot people on your land if they don't have permission to be there.

Cool :bugeye:
You get send to jail here for that.. for a loooong time too..

Roman, you missed post 39 :)

LOL what kind of analogy is that ?

An hilarious one.

The woman with the short skirt is the threatened wild life such as the lizards etc they talked about in the article.
The rapist is.. well who exactly ? Man or kangaroo ?

Wait, what?
Kangroos eat grass.
Lizards need grass to live in.

It's the humans fault.

What sort of logic is that?
Wait, I'll tell you- bad logic.

An hilarious one.



Wait, what?
Kangroos eat grass.
Lizards need grass to live in.

It's the humans fault.

What sort of logic is that?
Wait, I'll tell you- bad logic.

I think you need new glasses :rolleyes:

I think you need new glasses :rolleyes:

I think you need to work on your communication skills.

I think you need to work on your communication skills.

Your analogy is flawed.

Enmos there are two possable reasons for that.

The first is the lack of aborigional hunting pattens, because its defence land NO ONE can go onto it unless they are defence personal

The second is us, we change the eco system and so the kangroos might do better or worse under that. In the case of kangroo's they seem to do better (we had the same problem with koalas who were breeding unsustably in KI and were overgrazing there food stocks)

Also until recently the focus wasnt on keeping diversity, so if an animal disapeared who cared. It was survial of the fittest, now with the exstintion rate (especially in Australia) we try to protect the endagored species. Hand in hand with this is the fact that if not for humans it might not have mattered if the species died out in that area because they would have been more common than they are

Enmos there are two possable reasons for that.

The first is the lack of aborigional hunting pattens, because its defence land NO ONE can go onto it unless they are defence personal

The second is us, we change the eco system and so the kangroos might do better or worse under that. In the case of kangroo's they seem to do better (we had the same problem with koalas who were breeding unsustably in KI and were overgrazing there food stocks)

Also until recently the focus wasnt on keeping diversity, so if an animal disapeared who cared. It was survial of the fittest, now with the exstintion rate (especially in Australia) we try to protect the endagored species.
So you admit that humans are the ones responsible for the problem..
Why kill kangaroo's for it ?
Do the kangaroo's have to pay for man's faults ?
It this what they call an easy way out; blame someone else ?

EDIT: Aboriginals hunting or not hunting is not an issue. Kangaroo's and the rare wild life have been around for much longer than the aboriginals.

Hand in hand with this is the fact that if not for humans it might not have mattered if the species died out in that area because they would have been more common than they are
:mad:
So wild life only matters because there are humans around to destroy it ?
Is that what you are saying ?
If there were no humans around there wouldn't be a extinction problem to begin with. All extinctions would be natural, not caused by humans.

Kangaroos were of course present in ancient Australia, but not in the numbers they have today. This was due to humans deliberately burning the wilderness to increase the habitat for these relatively easy prey, who feed on grass. The aborigines used them like we use deer. Deer were also smaller in numbers before people turned the forests into grasslands. We already changed the environment, and killing off excess kangaroo or deer is necessary to manage their numbers, so greater environmental damage will not result.

Kangaroo leather is also among the strongest and thinnest you can find.

Kangaroos were of course present in ancient Australia, but not in the numbers they have today. This was due to humans deliberately burning the wilderness to increase the habitat for these relatively easy prey, who feed on grass. The aborigines used them like we use deer. Deer were also smaller in numbers before people turned the forests into grasslands. We already changed the environment, and killing off excess kangaroo or deer is necessary to manage their numbers, so greater environmental damage will not result.

Kangaroo leather is also among the strongest and thinnest you can find.

Or you could reestablish pre-human conditions in the large uninhabited areas of Australia.
Killing of the kangaroos is a lazy and temporary solution.
Preservation and reestablishment of original environment is the most important thing to do here, especially for the rare wildlife.
You don't honestly think this rare wildlife is save from human meddling with the environment in the long run, do you ?
Cities are going to expand and non one will care for the demise of the rare wildlife when living space for humans is the issue.

We either preserve and reestablishment original environment on huge scales or kiss goodbye most of the earths ecosystems.
Lots and lots of species are going to die out if we don't do something. Only species that can take a real blow are going to survive.
I'm not sure what the eventual impact of that will be but I'm afraid this scenario spells doom for human kind as well in the long run.
Which is maybe a small consolation.

Having said all this, I am skeptic about the future.
Man will keep putting himself above the environment and life will suffer the consequences, humans included.
I think it's too late.

Lots of australian species already died out. A massive kind of lizard, a huge flightless bird, the largest marsupial that ever lived...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/prehistoric_life/tv_radio/monsterswemet/images/mwm_series_pop_big3.jpg (http://ipb.quicksilverscreen.com/index.php?showtopic=42570)

Enmos, where the hell are you going to get predators for Australia that can take down Kangaroo? At the Jurassic Park laboratories? Pre-human conditions, my withered scrotum. None of you who spout this gibberish has the slightest clue how to carry out such plans.

Lots of australian species already died out. A massive kind of lizard, a huge flightless bird, the largest marsupial that ever lived...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/prehistoric_life/tv_radio/monsterswemet/images/mwm_series_pop_big3.jpg (http://ipb.quicksilverscreen.com/index.php?showtopic=42570)

Wow.. how did that happen ?

Enmos, where the hell are you going to get predators for Australia that can take down Kangaroo? At the Jurassic Park laboratories? Pre-human conditions, my withered scrotum. None of you who spout this gibberish has the slightest clue how to carry out such plans.

Well.. you have a point there.
Humans killed off all the major predators.
Slaughtering another animal because of our stupidity doesn't seem right though.
Are you sure there aren't any other solutions ? Sure they may cost a whole lot more..

By the way, I don't see them killing off humans.. Does that mean humans are not destroying the environment ?
If they are consequent in their reasoning they should be killing off humans. There are too much of them around for the environment to carry.

No wonder you stupid fuckers do nothing but disrupt.

No wonder you stupid fuckers do nothing but disrupt.

Is that remark related to anything in this thread :confused:

The stupidest thing that I do in my life is talk to people like you. Talking to people like you is stupider than fucking a pig in broad daylight when I could just as easily wait until after dark.

The stupidest thing that I do in my life is talk to people like you. Talking to people like you is stupider than fucking a pig in broad daylight when I could just as easily wait until after dark.

So we have now established that you are stupid.
Alright.. how is this going to help your argument ?

This conversation is simply too stupid to continue. You're too stupid to talk to.

This conversation is simply too stupid to continue. You're too stupid to talk to.

Then don't talk to me.
Or maybe you are too stupid to realize this simple solution..
May I suggest the ignore button ?

Done. You're on ignore.

Done. You're on ignore.

Finally :D

Wow.. how did that happen ?

A change in climate, the burning of forests and overhunting by the aborgines.

enmos in most cases it comes down to what we belive to be more humaine. This cull is to protect two other species but most culls (take the koala cull on kangroo island for an example) is to protect the species from deaths by a worse method ie stavation. Nature has ways of keeping populations under control to but they are much less "nice" than a bullet to the head or an injection of potasium. Nature just leaves the animals to stave and if they reach that point then alot more will die than would die if they were culled to a sustanable population. I do agree with you that some culls are done for the wrong reasons (to protect farmers crops for instance or protect food for live stock) but not all of them are.

I would ask you, what do you think of killing cane toads, carp, feral camels and feral goats?

A change in climate, the burning of forests and overhunting by the aborgines.

I know, I was being sarcastic.. :)

enmos in most cases it comes down to what we belive to be more humaine. This cull is to protect two other species but most culls (take the koala cull on kangroo island for an example) is to protect the species from deaths by a worse method ie stavation. Nature has ways of keeping populations under control to but they are much less "nice" than a bullet to the head or an injection of potasium. Nature just leaves the animals to stave and if they reach that point then alot more will die than would die if they were culled to a sustanable population. I do agree with you that some culls are done for the wrong reasons (to protect farmers crops for instance or protect food for live stock) but not all of them are.
Asguard, it's the humans that brought on these changes.
Why do the Kangaroos have to suffer for it ?
They had another plan but it cost too much...
I say tough luck, implement it.
Also, nature has ways of returning to equilibrium on its own.
When food supply lessens Kangaroos will start dying and start producing less offspring.
People may think it's more cruel then shooting them, but it isn't.
It's how nature solves these kind of situations.
I wish people would just let nature the fuck alone and stop meddling.

I would ask you, what do you think of killing cane toads, carp, feral camels and feral goats?
Depends.. you are probably referring to them as invasive species.
Invasive species should be culled.
But remember two things:
- In by far the most cases invasive species is mans fault.
- Humans are an invasive species in almost every ecosystem in the world.

and what about when the native species become invasive?
Take for instance the teatree which while native to WA has taken over victoria and is out compeating local species
What should be done about that?

Im sorry but i DONT agree with leaving plage populations alone to wipe out other species which compeate for the same limited resorces and i dont agree with letting them stave when its our fault they get to those proportions by limiting the amount of fire around.

and what about when the native species become invasive?
Take for instance the teatree which while native to WA has taken over victoria and is out compeating local species
What should be done about that?
Then it's invasive.. I'm not considering country-boundaries here.
But, if the plant spread through natural causes it should be left alone. This, I admit, could be difficult to establish.

Im sorry but i DONT agree with leaving plage populations alone to wipe out other species which compeate for the same limited resorces and i dont agree with letting them stave when its our fault they get to those proportions by limiting the amount of fire around.
I agree, something should be done. We should just remember that it is OUR fault.
And again, humans are such a plague population.

There are some big issues here.
Relocating the roos shouldn't have been one of them.
Apparently the quote to relocate them was something like six million dollars, fuck me, that is totally ridiculous.
I mean they rounded them up to dart them, then euthanase them, surely it would have been cheaper to stick 'em on a truck and drive out to the high country, anywhere.

The entire Australian continent had been isolated for millenia.
The Aboriginal people arrived something like sixty thousand years ago and lived as close to biologically neutral or uninvasive as seems possible for our species.

The indigenous mammal species in particular were evolved for incredibly narrow niches and the sudden impact of the 'weed species' ( rabbits, rats, foxes, cats, goats, pigs etc, etc) have wiped out an astonishing number of species. The Tasmanian Tiger is far from the only extinction.

Add Man ( invasive variety) and a host of other weeds ( including domestic livestock) and you have a unique biodiversity under extreme duress.

The crazy thing is, the delicate soil structure ( often almost non existent) is copletely unsuitable for cloven hooved grazers ( read sheep and cows).
One of the few endemic species to have thrived from farming practices has been the kangaroo. There are literally millions and millions of them and the logical answer is to swap kangaroos for traditional meat sources ( cows and sheep) and allow the landscape to recover somewhat. Kangaroo meat is tender, lean, delicious and plentiful, the leather is also top quality.

An educational process was called for, not a PR nightmare.

There are some big issues here.
Relocating the roos shouldn't have been one of them.
Apparently the quote to relocate them was something like six million dollars, fuck me, that is totally ridiculous.
I mean they rounded them up to dart them, then euthanase them, surely it would have been cheaper to stick 'em on a truck and drive out to the high country, anywhere.

The entire Australian continent had been isolated for millenia.
The Aboriginal people arrived something like sixty thousand years ago and lived as close to biologically neutral or uninvasive as seems possible for our species.

The indigenous mammal species in particular were evolved for incredibly narrow niches and the sudden impact of the 'weed species' ( rabbits, rats, foxes, cats, goats, pigs etc, etc) have wiped out an astonishing number of species. The Tasmanian Tiger is far from the only extinction.

Add Man ( invasive variety) and a host of other weeds ( including domestic livestock) and you have a unique biodiversity under extreme duress.

The crazy thing is, the delicate soil structure ( often almost non existent) is copletely unsuitable for cloven hooved grazers ( read sheep and cows).
One of the few endemic species to have thrived from farming practices has been the kangaroo. There are literally millions and millions of them and the logical answer is to swap kangaroos for traditional meat sources ( cows and sheep) and allow the landscape to recover somewhat. Kangaroo meat is tender, lean, delicious and plentiful, the leather is also top quality.

An educational process was called for, not a PR nightmare.

Amen !
I like it :)

If the aboriginals were so neutral, they wouldn't have caused the megafauna to go extinct from overhunting and burning of forests...

If the aboriginals were so neutral, they wouldn't have caused the megafauna to go extinct from overhunting and burning of forests...

Yawn!

Come on Sock muppet regale us with your extraordinary knowledge and bring your bat, should be able to club some sense into us softy, pinko, lefty, boong lovers.

Yeah I was going to say...
Aborigines rendered thousands of species extinct. Australia is essentially a desolate wasteland wildlife wise, a few stragglers remain (and flourish in part due to the unnatural lack of competition), and aborigines are largely to blame.
If it wasn't for aborigines the first white settlers would have had crocodile sized monitor lizards, pythons bigger than anacondas, marsupial lions, arboreal carnivorous possums the size of leopards, wombats the size of buses, man eating flightless birds and etc to contend with.

The main reason australia has so much trouble with introduced species is there are so many vacant niches in the ecosystems. Foxes, dogs, cats, pigs, rabbits, goats etc get so out of control because there's all these massive expansive wild environments with hardly any animals in them.

And no terrestrial carnivores bigger than a cat.
Yeah, I know, Dingoes.

But you're right, If you believe you are right, it is so, just like Le pus de missed.
Fuck you guys have a great life. Never wrong.
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da da da da DER!!.. you know Star wars music.

Sorry for knowing about stuff.

Spud there is one problem with using wild populations as food source and thats the health and hygene laws. Wild killed populations are generally harder to sell because they require all sorts of health inspections that farmed animals dont (because they are checked through out there life time). Couple that with the percentage that actually DO get found to have a paricyte, diease or fungus that prohibits use as food stock and the extra costs involved in hunting them down and transporting them and the public fear around eating hunted meat and that shoots the price up way above the farmed variaties of the same species. This is why hunting and use as a food source ARNT used to control plage proportion species like kangroos

What about changing our ways, so not more species either die out or become plague species ?