Juvenile capital punishment in the US?!

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  1. Avatar smoking revolver Valued Senior Member

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    Hello, I have a question that I need answered for a paper I'm writing and I would appreciate any US citizens willing to help me with correct and current information.

    Is it within the law to sentence juveniles to death within any of the US states as of this moment? Is it practiced? What is the most recent juvenile death sentence?
    By that I mean persons16 and 17 years old.

    I would especially welcome links to state laws allowing it, if there are such.

    Thank you!

    p.s. My information is old, dated 2003, published in 2005.
     
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  5. Avatar smoking revolver Valued Senior Member

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    Thanks!
     
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  7. John99 Banned Banned

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    No problem.

    March 1, 2005, the U.S. Supreme Court abolished the death penalty for minors
     
  8. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Now they need to look at juvenile life without parole

    http://www.amnestyusa.org/Spring_20...t_Parole/page.do?id=1105357&n1=2&n2=19&n3=392
     
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    Well the problem with your figures is that the population in U.S is that much larger than the ones in your quote. I am sure if you crunched the numbers you will see what i am referring to.
     
  10. Avatar smoking revolver Valued Senior Member

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    About time by the way, then with Sudan they were the only counties in the world still practicing it.

    This was written in 2003 and publicized before the Supreme Court ruling

    SPARE THE DEATH PENALTY, SPOIL THE CHILD: HOW THE EXECUTION OF
    JUVENILES VIOLATES THE EIGHTH AMENDMENT'S BAN ON CRUEL AND UNUSUAL PUNISHMENT
    IN 2005

    Copyright © 2003 South Texas Law Review, Inc.; Carrie Martin
     
  11. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    John:

    No the problem is those other figures (and thats a sum, not an average) are the only other figures.

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  12. Avatar smoking revolver Valued Senior Member

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    By the way, thanks again, you were a real help!

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    Innocent kids die every day Avatar- hundreds of them....thousands of them. Your concern for a 17 year old who commits multiple murders is, perhaps, misplaced.
     
  14. Avatar smoking revolver Valued Senior Member

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    My paper isn't about kids really, I was just looking for instances where major state actors have ignored jus cogens norms and use that info as a part of one argument.
     
  15. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    jus cogens norms

    Whats that?
     
  16. Avatar smoking revolver Valued Senior Member

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    Oh, I know! Just at the and of last year I witnessed the defence of one such individual. He har robbed little kids of their mobile phones and bikes, kidnapped and raped two teenagers, one of them retarded, and also robbed an appartment.

    Disgusting, disgusting individual, living horror really. His defence lawyer had trobule even writing on his behalf.

    However I believe that we don't have the moral authority to judge over life and death. Gladly all of Europe agrees and has eliminated capital punishment.
     
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  19. Avatar smoking revolver Valued Senior Member

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    That is a very good question! And one of the harderst theoretical questions you can ask to an international law specialist.

    To give a short answer
    Add to it also slavery, torture, genocide and widespread rape.
     
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    But then the does the criminal have moral authority?

    In the case you desribed would you consider the perpetatrator to be sane? Are those the actions of a sane person? No they are not.

    Yet you would convict someone and sentencing them to long prison term who, at the time, for all intents and purposes was criminally insane. So then your moral authority is an illusion. By the same token would you want that person to be rehabilitated by therapists and psychiatrists AND to be able to come live with you? Society has to deal with this burden but at the same time has to protect the public.

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    The question is Avatar, what is more important, more tangible - justice or morality?
     
  23. Avatar smoking revolver Valued Senior Member

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    Actually he was not insane. He was admitted to be mentally handicapped, but not beyond being able to control himself or understand what he's doing.

    No, he doesn't. However if we become like criminals we are no better than them.

    Insane people are ill and they get treated.
     

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