Just to balance things out I will post some stuff about Hindus which I am sure you will enjoy having a laugh over while you eat a beef burger. ;)

A recent report by United Press trust of India (UPI) stated that during the past three years more than 2,500 young boys and girls were sacrificed to goddess Kali in India. Another of AFP's recent reports say: hundreds of young boys and virgin girls are sacrificed every month for the deity Kali. In one case Rama Sewak hacked his eight year old son to death in broad daylight in Dehii because goddess Kali had told him he would come back to life and bring him good fortune. Bloodthirsty Kali is worshipped openly the length and breadth of India. Kali's statue stands naked astride the inanimate body of the Hindu deity Shiva, tongue stuck out with blood dripping from fang-like teeth. She holds a noose, a skull-topped staff, a blood-encrusted sword and a severed head. She is also known as Durga, Devi, Shaktima, Uma and Parvathi in other manifestations. The priest of Delhi, Kali Bari, says that a child sacrificed to Kali ensures a man the birth of a son. Human sacrifices are also made to these gods or goddesses, either to appease them or to ask favours of them.

Bihar's police chief J. Sahay said: "We have tried our best to curb human sacrifices, but what can an agency do when an entire village chooses a victim and cuts off his head with his parent's consent." Bihar's famous lawyer, Urnkant Chaturvedi, said that "Human sacrifice under our law is treated as murder, but the killer- never found - is always the local high priest." He continues, "at times the local policemen are reluctant to take action because of the inbred fear of the gods and goddesses."

A famous human sacrifice occurred in 1972 when a powerful leader in Maharashtra state- in order to find a treasure - offered blood from I I virgin girls to Manja. He did not find the treasure, but four persons were hanged for the crime and the main culprit escaped because of his political influence. Some time ago, two brothers named Siddharth and Ravi asked their 21 year old sister Shobha to take a bath and come for prayers to a nearby temple in Kerala State. To her horror, the brothers pierced her with a sword and iron rods chanting mantras. Withering in pain, she begged for pity, but she was cut to pieces and her body burned bit by bit. The brothers had done it to unearth a hidden treasure. At first they tried to find another victim but when they failed to find another virgin girl, they sacrificed their own sister. Only Brahmin children are exempted by the Vedas from human sacrifice.

Dr. Charles claims that Ramayana contains much pornographic material and cannot be read in public. He gives the following examples: Rama's description of Sita's beauty which is lewdly detailed (refer to C.R. Srinivasalyengar's translation of Aranya Kandam - chapter 46).

In Kiskind Kandam, Rama explains to Lakshmana of his sexual experience with Sita. According to Ramayana, the Aryans (Brahmins) used to drink liquor (nine different kinds), eat meat, marry many wives and prostitution was an accepted way of life amongst the priests and gods.

Ramayana also recounts the "story of King Dasharatha who, in order to have a baby son, made a big sacrifice (yaham) of sheep, cattle, horses, birds and snakes. He then delivered his three wives Kaushaliya, Sumatirai and Kaikeyi to three priests. These holy men, having fully satisfied their carnal desire, returned the ladies to the King. By this means, the King was able to have three sons - Ram, Lakshman and Bharat (Bala Kandam, Chapter 14. For more details on yaham, refer to the book "Gnana Surian", published by Kudi Arasu Press).

The Ramayan tells us much about the unlawful relationship of incest but we do not feel it appropriate or decent for us to go into details. (Please refer to Aranya Kandam, chapter 45, verses 122, 123, 124 & 125).

The following Hindu practices will reveal how immorality and indecency are sanctified in the name of Hinduism.


UNI. - TIMES OF INDIA - 10th Nov. 1987: confirms that the practice of dedicating young Harijan girls (Mahars, Mangs, Dowris and Chambhar) at childhood to a goddess, and their initiation into prostitution when they attain puberty continues to thrive in Karnataka, Andhra Pradesh and other parts of South India. This is largely due to social backwardness, poverty and illiteracy, according to a study by two doctors of the India Health Organisation.

The report clearly indicates that the Devadasi system was the result of a conspiracy between the feudal class and the priests (Brahmins), who with their ideological and religious hold over the peasants and craftsmen, devised a practice which acquired religious sanction. They noted in their study on - "Devadasis - the link between religious culture and child prostitution". Bear in mind that Allah says in the Holy Qur’an not to prostitute your children, whereas, this sick "custom" lauds this practice.

The study revealed that girls from poor families were sold after puberty at private auctions to a master who initially paid a sum of money to the families ranging from Rs. 500 to 5000.

The study, made during health camps organised by the World Health Organisation (WHO) in the devadasi populated areas, revealed that the dedicated girls formed 15 percent of the total women involved in prostitution in the country, and as much as 70 percent to 80 percent of the prostitutes in the border districts of Karnataka and Maharashtra.

Just to balance things out I will post some stuff about Hindus which I am sure you will enjoy having a laugh over while you eat a beef burger. ;)


respect humans and their religions if you want yourself to be respected and understood.

Shall we discuss the human sacrifices being inflicted in the name of Islam next?

Why would anybody laugh? It is not funny! its sick

Shall we discuss the human sacrifices being inflicted in the name of Islam next?


Wait this is a topic about Hinduism and the problems with it. So what are you more worried about? a Muslim who explodes in a tube or a Hindu who explodes in your mouth? :confused:

Wait this is a topic about Hinduism and the problems with it.
What is your problem with hinduism?
So what are you more worried about? a Muslim who explodes in a tube or a Hindu who explodes in your mouth? :confused:
No confusion, a hindu cannot explode in your mouth without your consent even if allah permits it but it is not the case with tube explosions with allah's permission.

i will reveal the truth about what the goal of islam is on this thread too.
THEY WISH TO CONVERT THE WHOLE WORLD THROUGH ANY MEANS POSSIBLE
NOT JUST US HINDUS, BUT THE REST OF THE WORLD.

I think its obvious to everyone that everything Muslim described above are anomalies in Hinduism. Things like human sacrifice, incest, prostitution, etc...are not supported at all Hinduism.

However, Allah encourages Muslim to fight the unbelievers, like Hindus,

well whtvr@muslim

but muslim women are so hot, and its a pity that these fools keep them in parda

Well, unless in parda, it is hard to keep 'em.
With 4 babes per man, and some younger than the man's sons, you will sure need purdah- it is like playing in the dark. ;)

Bwahahahahaah...

pretty much ...

lol

Rick

A nice thread, but where has the thread-starter run away?!

To avoid the shame brought on him by everyone else, who gets upset at unequality and stuff :m:

What's the big deal, I don't have a problem with any of that. Human sacrifice is futuristic... you'll see.

Shall we discuss the human sacrifices being inflicted in the name of Islam next?
Why? Islam is demonized in every second post on this forum. What's wrong with denigrating another religion that isn't Islam?

In fact, I'd love to denigrate Judaism next.

The question is more: what's wrong with denigrating ANY religion?

See my point?

Most religions seem to exist for the purpose of denigrating other people and religions.

James:

The question is more: what's wrong with denigrating ANY religion?

See my point?

Yes. And you make a good one. There is nothing wrong with denigrating ANY religion. However, all this focus on Islam seems rather unfair. Why can't other religions, which are just as ridiculous, get their fair share of mockery?

James:

Yes. And you make a good one. There is nothing wrong with denigrating ANY religion. However, all this focus on Islam seems rather unfair. Why can't other religions, which are just as ridiculous, get their fair share of mockery?

you leave jedi out of this :eek:

you leave jedi out of this :eek:

Yeah, I agree. Jedi-ism should not be included in the denigration.

So an anti-Hindu topic is more constructive than a pro-Islam one?

This is a section on Eastern Philosophy and not religion. People who do not know the difference should not start a thread and show their stupidity. It is a good idea to ignore such threads. There is a religion section separately if anyone wants to duke it out.

Thank you.

Just to balance things out I will post some stuff about Hindus which I am sure you will enjoy having a laugh over while you eat a beef burger. ;)

How wonderful! To hear educated(??) Muslims making comments like this. I am a Muslim, too. This is how we are going to convince the world that all Muslims are not fascist fanatics. Congratulations! you have made my Ignore list.

Thank you sam for pointing out the obvious. Again I stress that let us use this section (Eastern Philosophy) as the philosophical aspect of the human condition. There is no reason why we can not discuss the similarity of western philosophy including Sufi-ism or any Islam philosophy. After all, when the Arabs took the zero from India, I am sure they must have picked up some philosophy from the East and modified or improved on them.

Granted there is the Hinduism as a religion and there is Hinduism as a philosophy (more precisely called Sanatana Dharma). Arguments over religion is a losing proposition because beliefs are hard to prove.

Any argument over Hinduism as a religion has already been done by Gautama Buddha himself - there is nothing new and it is a waste of time to do so. However, if one is itching to throw stones while living in a glass house...be my guest in the religion subsection.

Islam has deep roots in science, philosophy and culture. After all, it is the Islam culture that taught the Merchant Accounting system to the west including the Romans. It is sad that the children of Islam are growing up to destroy that!

Thank you sam for standing up to protect your great heritage. I salute you.

Salam Aleicum

Thank you sam for pointing out the obvious. Again I stress that let us use this section (Eastern Philosophy) as the philosophical aspect of the human condition. There is no reason why we can not discuss the similarity of western philosophy including Sufi-ism or any Islam philosophy. After all, when the Arabs took the zero from India, I am sure they must have picked up some philosophy from the East and modified or improved on them.

Granted there is the Hinduism as a religion and there is Hinduism as a philosophy (more precisely called Sanatana Dharma). Arguments over religion is a losing proposition because beliefs are hard to prove.


Any argument over Hinduism as a religion has already been done by Gautama Buddha himself - there is nothing new and it is a waste of time to do so. However, if one is itching to throw stones while living in a glass house...be my guest in the religion subsection.

Islam has deep roots in science, philosophy and culture. After all, it is the Islam culture that taught the Merchant Accounting system to the west including the Romans. It is sad that the children of Islam are growing up to destroy that!

Thank you sam for standing up to protect your great heritage. I salute you.

Salam Aleicum


Thanks for the support; I just wish more enlightened Muslims would contribute their opinions. In the current cultural climate, Muslims are in danger of being misunderstood; the ethics of Islam being confused with the laws and politics of countries which are Muslim dominated.

Random quotations from religious texts can be used to support any specious argument. And juvenile contributions from so-called defenders of the faith are contradictory to the sustenance of the religion. They only serve to shame those of us who want only the liberty to practise our faith as well as be productive members of a diverse society. I have good friends of all faiths and we choose to let our differences make our lives more interesting, rather than debate over which one of us is right or superior.

In the Bhagvad Gita it says,
Whosoever comes to Me, through whatsoever form, I reach him;
all men are struggling through paths which in the end lead to Me.

Amen

In the Bhagvad Gita it says,
Whosoever comes to Me, through whatsoever form, I reach him;
all men are struggling through paths which in the end lead to Me.


That is true, only when you use the metaphor "Me" in the context of the Creation of our reality. But even for Hinduism (as a religion) that is difficult to grasp for the ignorant. Same is true in every religion because 80% of the people have difficulty relating to their human condition and their relation to the Universe they live in.

This is not going to change anytime soon....I have a feeling that the world will plunge into the dark ages before it gets better. Perhaps we as a human specis are not blessed to live in harmony and enjoy this creation.

It is our common stupidity and arrogance that may cause our extinction - and a new specis will arise out of the ashes...or may be in the face of some serious external threat like a black plague.....we will come together....

That is true, only when you use the metaphor "Me" in the context of the Creation of our reality.

That was my interpretation of it. I am not very familiar with Hindu philosophy, this quotation is from a speech used by Swami Vivekananda at the World Parliament of Religions in Chicago on September 11th, 1893.

... because 80% of the people have difficulty relating to their human condition and their relation to the Universe they live in.

I think you are being generous :rolleyes:


This is not going to change anytime soon....I have a feeling that the world will plunge into the dark ages before it gets better. Perhaps we as a human specis are not blessed to live in harmony and enjoy this creation.


Have you read East and West by Cyril Parkinson? Its an interesting review of human history from Sumerian times "to show that throughout its course, East and West have alternately been dominant, the periodic decline of one civilization creating a cultural vacuum that was filled by the adjacent rising culture."
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0313229554/102-0288854-5831357?v=glance&n=283155

Based on the premise presented in this book, you are probably right :D

It is our common stupidity and arrogance that may cause our extinction - and a new specis will arise out of the ashes...or may be in the face of some serious external threat like a black plague.....we will come together....

Let's hope it doesn't come to that; either alternative sounds incredibly bleak.

Have you read East and West by Cyril Parkinson? Its an interesting review of human history from Sumerian times "to show that throughout its course, East and West have alternately been dominant, the periodic decline of one civilization creating a cultural vacuum that was filled by the adjacent rising culture."


The same thing is slowly happening in America. We are slowly falling the way of Argentina which just a few decades ago was a rich and prosperous society. Several thousand years ago, China and India was at their pinacle, before that perhaps Babylonia...It is now the turn of China and India, while the west gets destroyed in the Jihad Movement.

As someone said: May you live in the interesting times...and that time is now! :D

As someone said: May you live in the interesting times...and that time is now! :D

It's a Chinese curse, I believe :(

samcdkey

I am glad you are Indian and really appreciate your views and the ability to speak the truth out. You are like our own old Kalam!

Apologies if my posts elsewhere weren't in good taste. You will understand they were merely aimed at countering "Muslim" and don't really reflect my opinions of Islam or muslims.

Thanks.

samcdkey

I am glad you are Indian and really appreciate your views and the ability to speak the truth out. You are like our own old Kalam!

Apologies if my posts elsewhere weren't in good taste. You will understand they were merely aimed at countering "Muslim" and don't really reflect my opinions of Islam or muslims.

Thanks.

Oh I am not sensitive, but it amazes me how people can bury their heads in the sand or get myopic vision regardless of the religion they belong too. I was born in India and my cultural and personal identity is closer to any Indian (Hindu, Muslim, Christian) than to an Arab or a Malaysian.

How can anyone else comprehend the joys of bhelpuri and puchkas, nariyal pani and sugarcane juice, Diwali patakas, the melas and dargas, Holi, Mohammed Rafi, Dev Anand, Dandias, Mehndi, wedding dhamakas and of course the whole Bollywood craziness ( with excuses to non-Indians) or even the type of friendships we cultivate.

Living in the US, I appreciate these things even more. They may seem trivial by themselves, but they belong to us in a way they never can belong to someone who has not experienced the depth and variety of the Indian society.

Being a Muslim in India has never been a mutually exclusive proposition for me.
Anyway, if something about a culture or people offends you, make your life easy and move to a place that has your admiration and support. Actually living with the people whose principles you claim to uphold may be an eye opener in many ways not bargained for. And if its not, why then, you have found your niche and I wish you all the best! :)

Well said sam...I grewup in a Muslim and Christian neighbourhood and have beed exposed to both friends. Later I made some American Iranian friends who said...they are Persian first, Muslim second. My Indian Muslim and Sikh friends say the same.

This is perhaps due to high level of education among these people. Now only if we can educate the people that have extremist views, be they Muslims, Christians or Hindus....the world would be a better place....

My extended family has people from all faiths including Mormons...so I do not bash any of them...variety is the spice of life

[COLOR=Blue]Well said sam...I grewup in a Muslim and Christian neighbourhood and have beed exposed to both friends. Later I made some American Iranian friends who said...they are Persian first, Muslim second. My Indian Muslim and Sikh friends say the same.

I had the same experience, as did my parents; I think that is what separates the thinking. Seclusion and separation breeds distrust and suspicion and its easy to deride and mock someone whom you never meet or associate with. Harder when you meet him everyday, share meals and family outings or babysit the kids and sit down to dinner with.

This is perhaps due to high level of education among these people. Now only if we can educate the people that have extremist views, be they Muslims, Christians or Hindus....the world would be a better place....

Wish it was so simple; I have met very highly educated people who leave me speechless with shock. And some very simple, very uneducated people who put the educated to shame.

My extended family has people from all faiths including Mormons...so I do not bash any of them...variety is the spice of life

Ya but everyone is dieting these days and rich food does not agree with them any longer. :p

BTW, I am not familiar with Mormons. What kind of philosophy do they follow?

And in reference to your earlier post re: East and West, it seems to me that right now, at this point in history, both the east and west are simultaneously facing a cultural decline. Everyone is focused on Carpe Diem, and there is a general lack of responsibility (?apathy) towards the future. What do you think?

http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?p=1064670#post1064670

Here's another example of " a little knowledge is a dangerous thing".

Makes me so mad :mad:

Kmguru, arguments can be made against what you said, extremism deserves an answer with extremeism; we all know what happens in Israel where palaestenians bomb everyday, we all know what happens in Kashmir everyday where innocents are killed without any reason or cause;

in this world, you have to have an army of Boondock saints.

Rick

An eye for an eye will make the whole world blind - Mahatma Gandhi

i dont buy it.

(I can argue and prove your statement wrong, but i am not in mood for Elenchos)

Rick

You believe terrorism is justified? You think bombs can identify people by their religion?
IMO, the actual victims would much rather have stayed out of the mess.

Throughout history, terrorists have used religion to justify killing; their ideologies however are not supported by any religion.

Whether the terrorists were Muslim, Christian or from other faiths, the backlash of their attacks have been felt by innocent women and children (and men), who did not subscribe to their propaganda.

There were Muslims among those who died in the twin towers; there are Iraqi Christians who are dying in the war against terror. It is never about religion, only about power.

We no longer live in an exclusive society, I have friends and relations in many parts of the world and when there is an incident of this kind, it is their safety I think of. I grew up in a cosmopolitan society and have been fortunate in friends of all religions.You are welcome to your views, but I would not want the next attack (from anyone) to hit a place where I had a loved one.

no sir, i dont support terrorism, neither do i say anything about those religious fanatics, but i do support people who while seeing a screaming woman whose being gang raped, go and beat up the rapists, i support those kinds of people. You didnt get the point as i mentioned boondock saints.

there is no justification for killing innocent people, but those who kill innocents must be punished, but who is to say that my knowledge is perfect and i can make decisions since my knowledge is absolute... because i cannot make such decisions, i am incapable. But remember, throughout the history there have been wars waged against wrong, and evil in general, but i have a completely different viewpoint on that subject. my hands hurt a little while typing, too much coding sorry :-\

Rick

no sir, i dont support terrorism, neither do i say anything about those religious fanatics, but i do support people who while seeing a screaming woman whose being gang raped, go and beat up the rapists, i support those kinds of people. You didnt get the point as i mentioned boondock saints.

there is no justification for killing innocent people, but those who kill innocents must be punished, but who is to say that my knowledge is perfect and i can make decisions since my knowledge is absolute... because i cannot make such decisions, i am incapable. But remember, throughout the history there have been wars waged against wrong, and evil in general, but i have a completely different viewpoint on that subject. my hands hurt a little while typing, too much coding sorry :-\

Rick


You are right, if I saw a woman being raped, I would knock down the buggers too, but I wouldn't kill them, instead I'd cut off their dicks in half, that way I'd only go to prison for a short time and I could think of them everyday with only 50, maybe 25% of their dicks and enjoy it all over again. I've spayed cats and dogs, so I'd be very good at it; might even relieve them of one testicle; you cannot believe how easy it is :) .

But I'm not very tolerant where violence against innocent men women children are concerned; I'm a woman, but I've beat up some men pretty good for eve-teasing or cruelty to animals. When I'm :mad: look out!!! Very bad example,im afraid.

So you see we are on the same side.

[QUOTE=Muslim]Just to balance things out I will post some stuff about Hindus which I am sure you will enjoy having a laugh over while you eat a beef burger. ;)

How wonderful! To hear educated(??) Muslims making comments like this. I am a Muslim, too. This is how we are going to convince the world that all Muslims are not fascist fanatics. Congratulations! you have made my Ignore list.

What a relief to hear that there is SOME hope for peace between the many religious systems and philosophies.

May peace be with you all

You are a student of Yoga ( I assume); so you must know that hope begins inside you. YOU are the source of your happiness or unhappiness. It does not matter what another person says or does, YOU always have to choose how to respond. And YOU can choose to respond in a way that will lead to peace and happiness.

He drew a circle that shut me out--
Heretic, rebel, a thing to flout.
But Love and I had the wit to win:
We drew a circle that took him in!

This poem is written by an American poet, Edwin Markham.

It is a good philosophy to use in your life.

Thanks for the poem, i like it

Peace