Jimmy Carter's visit with HAMAS leaders

After Jimmy Carter's meeting with HAMAS, a meeting which he went through with despite the objections of Israel and the US government (including the more leftist State Department) and most of the other western countries who are boycotting that terrorist group, he came out of his meetings triumphantly, proclaiming that HAMAS will accept any peace deal reached by Mahmoud Abbas with Israel, as long as there is a "palestinian" referendum on it.

Today HAMAS contradicted that statement, repeating the obvious, and the longheld policy, that HAMAS will not accept the results of the referendum unless it's in line with HAMAS' own position.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3534093,00.html

The language used contains a qualifier, but it is only there for western consumption. HAMAS' resolve is like a rock, and they're trying to milk this amazing opportunity that Carter has given them for all the PR value they can.

So, no, dear leftists, this is not a "window opening" or an "historic opportunity" that we must pursue. It's just more of the same.

 

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carter is a moron. the less attention he receives the better.

 

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The whole point here is that even if an agreement is reached and signed, the real powerbrokers (HAMAS, etc.) won't allow its implementation even if the majority of the "palestinian" population want to.

So, what's the Israeli government to do, other than to continue the current policy of checkpoints and roadblocks and not allowing a "palestinian" state to be born? "ending the occupation" with or without an agreement in place will not solve Israel's security problems, as with Southern Lebanon and Gaza, the attacks will only increase.

"palestinian" society first needs to change. And by that I mean the death cult and rejectionism should end. All the good hearted attempts in the world by half-senile ex-presidents won't change that.

Looking at Carter's adventure through a cup-half-full lense, I think what came out of his visit is that there has been a zoom-in of HAMAS for the western world to see, and to be reminded where the real problem lies.

 

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HAMAS are shooting at the same aid israel provides to the palestinians probably as a leverage. theres no point in even meeting with them. they are just thugs with an inferiority complex who get their guns and funding from iran.

 

The issue is obviously complex.

Carter said Hamas promised it wouldn't undermine Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas' efforts to reach a peace deal with Israel, as long as the Palestinian people approved it in a referendum. In such a scenario, he said Hamas would not oppose a Palestinian state in the West Bank and Gaza.

Carter said Hamas officials, including Mashaal, agreed to this in a written statement.

But Hamas spokesman Sami Abu Zuhri in Gaza said Hamas' readiness to put a peace deal to a referendum "does not mean that Hamas is going to accept the result of the referendum."

Such a referendum, he said, would have to be voted on by Palestinians living all over the world. They number about 9.3 million, including some 4 million living in the West Bank, Gaza and east Jerusalem. [AP]​

 

Carter's poured thousands of his own dollars into Israel's defense fund. Cut him some slack.

 

So, what do you mean by that?

Notwithstanding a few anti-Semetic things he's said and done, I think his current adventure is coming from a good place. He is genuinely trying to do good. The problem is that his intent is misplaced.

 

So, Hamas isn't going to agree to anything binding, but this is an interesting first step.

 

How the hell is helping Palestinians anti-Semetic?

 

That's not what I said, and you are demagoguing.

But that's the thing - there is no 'step'. Carter didn't achieve anything. HAMAS haven't changed their position.

 

You said he's done and said anti-Semitic stuff (no examples). I ask how could helping Semites possibly be anti-Semitic.

If there's any demogoguery here, it would be you, crying anti-Semitism, without justification or evidence.

 

the news are misrepresenting Carter's achievements

 

This thread is not about some of his anti-Semetic statements, but about his recent meeting with HAMAS leaders. Let's say "in my mind, and the minds of many Jews" some of Carter's actions were anti-Semetic. That's our perception of it. If you don't agree with, fine. I don't care. If you want to argue about it, please do it in another thread, since it's a different topic altogether. I already said that Carter's intent in this case was good... (hence he is not "all bad" as what you probably took my statements to be.)

 

On the BBC this morning the HAMAS leader said he agreed that Israel should return to the 1967 boarders and for this they, HAMAS, will agree to a ten year cease-fire. (I'm assuming at this point then HAMAS will, what? Start fighting for the rest?)

Ooo yippy what a sweet deal .. .. .. pfffff

 

HAMAS are assuming that in 10 years theyll get stronger. in 10 years a lot can happen.

 

I think HAMAS is lucky they don't live next to America. Right about 10 years ago they'd be gone.

 

Like the native Americans?

 

Considering Hamas is a creation of Mossad, there is no point for staunch supporters of Israel to complain.

 

With the rights of a bona fide country, HAMAS will be able to legally import very advanced weapons. They'll have 10 years to do that and build a legal army. THEN they'll proceed to the next stage of the "struggle"...

 

Like Israel?