You would think,that they might have got the message by now that God,is ether not on there side,or he does not want them to win. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
"Who?", Australian Physicists. I am referring to Muslim extremists,who are after forcing the world to convert to Islam,by the sword. " They" won't win in the end?" because as far as I can see,that which does not evolve,dies out!
odin ... Might it not be that the 'Muslim extremists' are attempting to prevent their 'world' from being destroyed by a 'valueless' Western culture, the US in particular. Heck if the French can be concerned about the destruction of their culture, why not the Muslims? I think the most striking example of the differences in culture was the inability of US citizens to understand how a simple request 'Hand over bin Laden' could be seen by the Taliban as an untenable demand ... even when we graciously offered $25 milllion to further add insult to our 'request'. Just wondering. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Muslim culture is over a billion strong and growing rapidly with conversion and multiple wives. With divorce rate of over 64%, we try to catch up with multiple serial wives but wont make it... Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Chagur Well you could be right Chagur,but from what I have seen,there aim is to make Islam,take over the world. & if you go to a Muslim country,they do not seem to have a problem,of the kind you are talking about. Just like the Christians want the same."To convert every one" Remember they say we are shafting them,& taking all of there resources. If the west stopped buying their oil,they would have only sand. & that would be our fault as well. I think the big problem,is that the old Mullahs,could see there power diminishing,so upped the Great Satan talk etc..
Odin Dear Odin, I belong to a muslim country and am a strong believer. What muslims here really find disturbing is that the west look upon Islam as a potential danger........like if the cat gets out of the cage it will never go back in......not that I approve of anything old Osama did but what's ironic is that terrorism springs up only to the convenience of the west, that is, where there may be or is a voice against them and there policies. This is the reason for muslims to be potentially aggressive towards them.....and a little bit about Jihad.......killing of a non-muslim is equal to the killing of a muslim in Islam. The only way in which one may be allowed to spread his religion is through brotherhood, conduct and example. The concept of Jihad only comes in action if Muslims or their interests are threatened by non-muslims. So I wouldn't really blame those ppl whom we call extremest for doing what they do. According to them Jihad should have been started long time back, round about where the US homed in on the middle east or maybe even before that.
Al-Ameen Dear Al-Ameen Please read the link below & give me your comments,I would be very interested to hear what you think about it. http://www.secularislam.org/articles/call.htm
Dear Al-Ameen I belong to a muslim country and am a strong believer. What muslims here really find disturbing is that the west look upon Islam as a potential danger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I do not think this is true,as there are almost as many Mosques as thjere are Churches in Britian. I think there is more fear of Christians in muslim countrys,as a lot of them will not allow Christans,& in some muslim countrys,you can be put to death for practising Christianity.
Re: Dear Al-Ameen Pakistan's Christian minority are the descendants of families that converted to Christianity before the partition of India in 1947 into a predominantly Hindu India and an Islamic Pakistan founded by Mohammed Ali Jinnah. Pakistan's constitution makes Christians second-class citizens, although they do have representation in the 217-member parliament (four seats.) I think that in Pakistan, practicing Christianity is allowed, but a Muslim who is converted to another religion faces the death sentence. Peace.
On the otherhand...just for the point of reference...India is a secular and democratic (even though chaotic) country.
Re: Re: Dear Al-Ameen Goofyfish, If you contact the foreign office of pakistan or contact Red Cross in pakistan, they will tell you that there are no death penalties if some one convert to any other religion. There have reports in past but nothing like taliban or afghanistan. For odin, I don't think that muslims are trying to convert the whole world. They are not coming after us here? or taking over the europe. If they wants to live their life according to what ever their beliefs are I guess they should be able to do it in their country. I don't remember any country coming here and telling us to convert to islam or they don't go to take over their neighbouring countries and convert them to their religion. I think most muslim countries are pissed at our blind support for israel. But terrorists are terrorits and majority of mulsim population stands against it.
Not quite....while Christianity is a proselytizing religion, it is mild compared to Moslems. All the moslems in India and Pakistan is due to the handiwork of Babar and other Mogul invasion. It is a Moslems duty to eliminate non-moslems, the same way it is the duty of a Mormon to either convert or distance themselves from a Non-Mormon. It is the actions that speak for themselves. Is it written in the books - NO, Is it practiced - Yes. While Pakistan is a moderate Moslem country, brainwashing can go a long way to create fanatics that only believe in violence. USA did not help much either. Whatever happened in the past, today, US needs to bring both India and Pakistan together. Failing to do so, will have serious consequences - simply because, people in that region are smart and you do not want that smartness work for the evil.
In Pakistan, Islam has been the official religion since 1973, and over the years, the U.S. State Department has urged them to repeal section 295(c) of the penal code. This is the section that stipulates the death penalty or life in prison for blaspheming Mohammed, and the State Department notes that it "contributes to inter-religious tension, intimidation, fear, and violence." If a Muslim renounces his or her faith, would that not be considered blasphemous to believers, or am I reading too much into it? Peace.
I am not sure now, but as far as I remember was 1993, when I read about human rights reports and Red cross paper stating that there have been only 1 execution on a religious basis in last 44 years or so?. So I think the number didn't change since then. Maybe laws are there but never implicated or somethng like that other wise there would be more cases.
Well how would you define that?. I mean I don't see any muslims trying to invade India? Or invade sri lankans? I agree with that mugul rule but I am not sure or maybe you can give some example of how they are eliminating non muslims in that region or if you can explain by any recent or past examples. Thanks.
My opening take on this was only that they are subject to the death penalty. Though it was not my intention, thanks for pointing out my weak statement that implied the sentence was always carried out. It is also true that the use of this law against those who convert to other religions is sporadic. It is, however, still used in cases of those accused of blasphemy. Dr. Younus Shaikh was imprisoned in October 2000. The death sentence was pronounced against him on August 18, 2001. There are others who languish in Pakistani prisons as well, as those accused are not allowed bail, and their cases can drag on for years. Peace. --- Edit: date correction ---
It appears that in India, Muslims think that fire is a good method for eliminating Hindus (Article here). Peace.
I agree with what you said, but I am not sure if the death sentence was executed or not. And if you notice all over the asia there are prisoners with no cases and no bail, It is really sad thou. I know for sure in south east asia, prisons ae pretty scary places, over here all we have to worry about is our assesPlease Register or Log in to view the hidden image! but over there we have to worry about life. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Some stuff picked up from the internet: <center> <h1> Intolerance is Fundamental to Islam</h1></center> Terrorism is a logical outcome of putting the Qur'an into practice. The Qur'an promotes permanent struggle against non-Muslims - or at least until non-Muslims are converted to Islam, subjected to Islamic authority, or killed. Below is a listing of relevant verses in the Qur'an: <ul> <li>The Qur'an promises hell to non-Muslims <a href="http://cwis.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/003.qmt.html#003.085">3:85</a>, <a href="http://cwis.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/004.qmt.html#004.056">4:56</a>, <a href="http://cwis.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/005.qmt.html#005.037">5:37</a>, <a href="http://cwis.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/005.qmt.html#005.072">5:72</a>, <a href="http://cwis.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/008.qmt.html#008.055">8:55</a>, <a href="http://cwis.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/009.qmt.html#009.028">9:28</a>, <a href="http://cwis.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/015.qmt.html#015.002">15:2</a>, <a href="http://cwis.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/021.qmt.html#021.098">21:98-100</a>, <a href="http://cwis.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/022.qmt.html#022.019">22:19-22</a>, <a href="http://cwis.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/022.qmt.html#022.056">22:56-57</a>, <a href="http://cwis.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/025.qmt.html#025.017">25:17-19</a>, <a href="http://cwis.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/025.qmt.html#025.055">25:55</a>, <a href="http://cwis.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/029.qmt.html#029.053">29:53-55</a>, <a href="http://cwis.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/031.qmt.html#031.013">31:13</a>, <a href="http://cwis.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/066.qmt.html#066.009">66:9</a>, <a href="http://cwis.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/068.qmt.html#068.010">68:10-13</a>, <a href="http://cwis.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/072.qmt.html#072.014">72:14- 15</a>,</li> <li>The Qur'an warns Muslims against mixing with non-Muslims <a href="http://cwis.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/002.qmt.html#002.021">2:21</a>, <a href="http://cwis.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/003.qmt.html#003.028">3:28</a>, <a href="http://cwis.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/003.qmt.html#003.118">3:118</a>, <a href="http://cwis.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/005.qmt.html#005.051">5:51</a>, <a href="http://cwis.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/005.qmt.html#005.144">5:144</a>, <a href="http://cwis.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/009.qmt.html#009.007">9:7</a>, <a href="http://cwis.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/009.qmt.html#009.028">9:28</a>, <a href="http://cwis.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/058.qmt.html#058.023">58:23</a>, <a href="http://cwis.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/060.qmt.html#060.004">60:4</a>.</li> <li>The Qur'an calls on Muslims to wage war against non-Muslims <a href="http://cwis.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/002.qmt.html#002.191">2:191</a>, <a href="http://cwis.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/002.qmt.html#002.193">2:193</a>, <a href="http://cwis.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/004.qmt.html#004.066">4:66</a>, <a href="http://cwis.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/004.qmt.html#004.084">4:84</a>, <a href="http://cwis.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/005.qmt.html#005.033">5:33</a>, <a href="http://cwis.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/008.qmt.html#080.012">8:12</a>, <a href="http://cwis.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/008.qmt.html#008.015">8:15-18</a>, <a href="http://cwis.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/008.qmt.html#008.039">8:39</a>, <a href="http://cwis.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/008.qmt.html#008.059">8:59-60</a>, <a href="http://cwis.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/008.qmt.html#008.065">8:65</a>, <a href="http://cwis.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/009.qmt.html#009.002">9:2-3</a>, <a href="http://cwis.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/009.qmt.html#009.005">9:5</a>, <a href="http://cwis.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/009.qmt.html#009.014">9:14</a>, <a href="http://cwis.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/009.qmt.html#009.029">9:29</a>, <a href="http://cwis.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/009.qmt.html#009.039">9:39</a>, <a href="http://cwis.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/009.qmt.html#009.073">9:73</a>, <a href="http://cwis.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/009.qmt.html#009.111">9:111</a>, <a href="http://cwis.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/009.qmt.html#009.123">9:123</a>, <a href="http://cwis.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/025.qmt.html#025.052">25:52</a>, <a href="http://cwis.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/037.qmt.html#037.022">37:22-23</a>, <a href="http://cwis.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/047.qmt.html#047.004">47:4-5</a>, <a href="http://cwis.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/048.qmt.html#048.029">48:29</a>, <a href="http://cwis.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/069.qmt.html#069.030">69:30-37</a>.</li> <li>The Qur'an promotes war against the non-Muslims by glorifying it <a href="http://cwis.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/002.qmt.html#002.216">2:216</a>, <a href="http://cwis.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/009.qmt.html#009.041">9:41</a>, <a href="http://cwis.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/049.qmt.html#04.015">49:15</a>, or by promising lust in paradise to the Shaheeds (martyrs) who die in such a war <a href="http://cwis.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/003.qmt.html#003.142">3:142</a>, <a href="http://cwis.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/003.qmt.html#003.157">3:157-158</a>, <a href="http://cwis.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/009.qmt.html#009.020">9:20-21</a>.</li> </ul> <p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3">These citations have painstakingly been linked these citations to the <a href="http://cwis.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/">Translations of the Qur'an</a> from the Moslem Students Association of the University of Southern California. Readers may view several translations from translations regarded as reliable by Moslem experts.</font> <center> </center> <p> <b>Objections:</b><b></b> <p> Islamic Monitor was asked,<i> Why pick on the Qur'an? Why not pick on the Bible? </i>A Muslim accused Islamic Monitor of "one sided blind hatred," which was inevitable, but what piqued my interest was a response from a self-declared pagan who voiced these objections. <p>To which Islamic Monitor replies: <p>The Bible shares many of the same vices as the Qur'an. As the Bible predates the Qur'an, the Bible may be seen as the model and inspiration for the violence and hatred in the Qur'an. The violence in the Bible, particularly the Hebrew Bible (or Christian Old Testament) is widely acknowledged, that to mention it scarcely raises an eyebrow. The concept of hellfire is something that the Qur'an borrowed from Christianity (there are only isolated references to "hell" or <i>sheol</i> in the Hebrew Bible), while the sensuous descriptions of Paradise seem to be borrowings from other traditions (Hindu texts describe a heaven populated by <i>apsaras</i>, or celestial courtesans, that may be likened to the <i>houris</i> of the Qur'an, but Hinduism conceives of heaven and hell as within time, space, and causality - in which case heaven and hell will dissolve with the rest of creation). However, Muslims anxious for influence in the West seek to mislead non-Muslims by citing apparently benign passages (notably that bon-bon, <a href="http://members.aol.com/AlHaqq4u/tolerance.html"> verse 2:256</a>, on "no compulsion in religion"Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! in the Qur'an divorced from context . When someone challenges Muslims on the violence and hatred contained in their scriptures (the Hadith as well as the Qur'an), their typical defenses are throwing the issue back at you to justify the Bible or religious texts and getting angry. What we need to decide is if these texts provide human, moral, and spiritual uplift. <p>Moreover, there is a difference of focus between the Bible and the Qur'an. The Bible presents warfare as history. In the Qur'an, the focus is different. Sincere Muslims believe that God is speaking directly to them through the Qur'an: the "Word inlibriate," to quote from Huston Smith's <i>Religions of the World</i> (formerly <i>Religions of Man</i>). Thus, Allah (God) is exhorting the faithful to commit violence against the non-believer. <hr>
