So it seems that those people that talk in Jesus name, prophesize in jesus name, cast out devils in Jesus name will find themselves with the short end of the stick on Judgement day. Nomatter how much they call the name of Jesus out, he will not respond, because he can't respond without permission from god. God will permit Jesus to yell at those who worshipped jesus instead of god, depart from me, even though they call his name all the time.


Matt.7
[21] Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
[22] Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
[23] And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

it really has to do with the faith of the person. i think people tend to pray and talk to jesus, because he has an image. he was supposed to be like god on earth. so whatever image jesus was depicted by the christian church people will always find it easier to pray to jesus than god, because of that image they have of him.

you got to remember there is only one real answer, all the religions cannot be right about there afterlife explanations. the only thing that matters is while we are in these bodies and living in the hell of a civilisation we all get comfort from believing that there is something up there.

if someone said to me jesus does not love you or god does not love you, it really does not make any difference. all you have to do is lead a good and decent life and what ever comes after you just cannot control.

Nomatter how much they call the name of Jesus out, he will not respond, because he can't respond without permission from god

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Show me this in the bible...you can't
Jesus is God.
This Quran only holds Him as a prophet, who needs "permission"

The Quran itself called him El-Messiah.

This means The God-Prophet...The saviour of Mankind.

He was a prophet, He came in the office of the son of Man, as He has again in this day. Just as He promised he would.
Right on time.
He is the God of the Prophets.


Why do you deny this,....?
The bible has the truth Islam has departed from.

Jesus was the Word of God made flesh, and dwelt among us.

John 1:14 - And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Why torture yourself?

Live your faith. Forget this nonsense heflores is spouting.

Very much agreed. I have no problem with him saying it...say whatever you wish...but I'm with Bridge.

AntonK

I'm not here with the intention of converting anyone or bashing anybodies belief. I actually don't believe in conversions at all and despise them. A person after puberty are already acting out the type of person they are and there are no born agains, conversions, or whatever crap is necessary to change the core of the person....It's a slow learning and applying process through life, not a second born again experience, or heflores dosage.

I feel that the version of christianity that is being excercised is not very accurate replicate of what Jesus intended it to be.....Same goes for Islam...actually more goes for Islam and Judiasm...My dream in life is to live to see all the religions united under one god, not Islam typical style, but just one god. So chill and debate without this great fear...What doesn't kill you, makes you stronger...

Originally posted by TheVisitor
Show me this in the bible...you can't
The Quran itself called him El-Messiah.
This means The God-Prophet...The saviour of Mankind.


I already did show you the verse. Jesus spoke it:

Matt.7
[21] Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
[22] Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
[23] And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Messiah, means annointed, chosen, and does not mean savior of mankind. The god of Jesus and us is the only judge and savior of mankind......Not even Jesus would dare put himself above his creator and savior god....but modern christianity makes a havit of it, so I thought Jesus words above were very befitting for those that says Jesus is god. Muslims believe that Jesus was chosen as a prophet just like all the other prophets no more. Mohamed was a prophet and a slave of god.

What does it matter whether Jesus was a messiah, prophet , Egyptian mysteries initiate or a simple carpenter? He was just a messenger, it's the message that counts.

I agree with you Circe, and I wish it was that simple, but it aint

Originally posted by heflores
So it seems that those people that talk in Jesus name, prophesize in jesus name, cast out devils in Jesus name will find themselves with the short end of the stick on Judgement day. Nomatter how much they call the name of Jesus out, he will not respond, because he can't respond without permission from god. God will permit Jesus to yell at those who worshipped jesus instead of god, depart from me, even though they call his name all the time.


Matt.7
[21] Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

[22] Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
[23] And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. It's really funny that a muslim feels like telling christians who, what, & how to believe!!! Using scripture against us, will not work, since you do not believe that the Bible was given uncorrupted, why use it? You hypocrite!!! Do you even know what it means? or are you just using words without meaning?

Might I, as christian tell you what to believe? Become a christian muslim, submitt to Jesus, let Him find you among those in the Book of Life!!! Otherwise he will tell you, "I never knew you!!! Depart from me!!!

Randolfo,

Thanks for your concerns, but no thanks. I'll remain to state my views and you state yours. You go ahead and say that Jesus is god and I'll say that my creator is god and Jesus is prophet of god and each of us will earn an ending suitable to our doings....Clear as mud???? End of discussion.

and I'll go around being nice and helpful to people, and if I don't get into heaven because I didn't praise anyone's name, then so be it.

Smile and pass on compassion, and you are living Jesus' message. Whether he is God or prophet, the world is better for your being here.

Originally posted by heflores
Randolfo,

Thanks for your concerns, but no thanks. I'll remain to state my views and you state yours. You go ahead and say that Jesus is god and I'll say that my creator is god and Jesus is prophet of god and each of us will earn an ending suitable to our doings....Clear as mud???? End of discussion.
The discussion is not ended until the end of time, if you felt this way, why did you start this thread? You expect everyone to fall for your "truth", your "logic", your "faith"? Just because islam comes after Christianity & supposedly "seals prophecy" means nothing if it is all a lie, I say that Mohammad was jealous of Jews & Christians, because they had a "Book", so he wrote one for Arabs, don't believe me?
Why are most of the beliefs, customs, and ways of muslms from the 7th Century?
Why must you learn Arabic to really understand the Quran?
Why must you pray to Mecca?

Because Mohammad codified 7th Century arabic lifestyles, ideas & beliefs. That's why muslims today still want to go back to that lifestyle.
Because allah is the moon god of the arabs, no god that claims to be the God of the Universe is monolingual, (why you are better than your allah, you speak at least 2 languages well, good for you, you outdid your god).
Because Mohammad's tribe controlled the Kabbah & they couldn't leave their pagan ways, including some of the rituals of the pagan pilgrimage.

Because allah is the moon god of the arabs


Now he is NOT stop making these dumbass claims if u cant back them up . I already refuted your whining on the other thread about Muhammad , and you obviously didnt have anything to say for it .

There is a difference between AliflamLamHah and AlifLamLamAlif , figure it out .

Allah comes from Al-Illah meaning THE GOD .

Not a NAME like Alla or Hubal .

okay jesus does want you BUT your deeds have to match your words

ok...who died and made u God?

Originally posted by Randolfo
The discussion is not ended until the end of time, if you felt this way, why did you start this thread? You expect everyone to fall for your "truth", your "logic", your "faith"? Just because islam comes after Christianity & supposedly "seals prophecy" means nothing if it is all a lie, I say that Mohammad was jealous of Jews & Christians, because they had a "Book", so he wrote one for Arabs, don't believe me?

Your words don't offend me a bit, they only show your ignorance, and one day you'll be 100% accountable for them. Not only don't I believe you, I pity you.


Originally posted by Randolfo
Why are most of the beliefs, customs, and ways of muslms from the 7th Century?

Not true, again you are ignorant of muslim beliefs and customs. Islam is composed of many cultures and countries, all have their own history and rich background. You have Egyptians, Chinease, Indian, ect....Did you forget that there are more than a billion muslim in the world and they live in 5 continents. I for one am a Muslim of Egyptian ancestors with American Citizenship. I was in a Gymnastic national team and travelled with all my muslim girls team. I had a muslim coach and we attended Barcelona.
Why must you learn Arabic to really understand the Quran?


Originally posted by Randolfo
Why must you pray to Mecca?

Because Mecca is the official house of god. Read your bible regarding the stone that was build by Abraham, rejected by the jews, then becoming again the corner stone. Second we don't pray to Mecca, we pray to god at the location of Mecca in the mosque of Mecca. Just like you pray to your Jesus god in an unknown church built in America that Jesus never set foot in.

Originally posted by Randolfo
Because allah is the moon god of the arabs, no god that claims to be the God of the Universe is monolingual, (why you are better than your allah, you speak at least 2 languages well, good for you, you outdid your god).

See Allha Mathematics answer. By the way, please explain to me why your bible refer to god as Alohim, which means the plural of Allah.

Originally posted by Randolfo
Because Mohammad's tribe controlled the Kabbah & they couldn't leave their pagan ways, including some of the rituals of the pagan pilgrimage.

Again, you are ignorant of the truth and desperate to refute your nonesense of your beliefs. Instead of rebutting a religion that you understand nothing of, follow the objective of the thread and speak of Jesus and his intention of telling you depart of me because you worshipped the wrong entity.

oh...and heflores...jesus has mind of own

Originally posted by firingseeds
oh...and heflores...jesus has mind of own

Amen to that, Jesus has a mind of his own that is in a state of submittion to his one god.

Jesus is a muslim, a submitter to god, and so am I.

ham to serve...noah. ham be father of arab. have a nice day :D
( sorry for da knockout )

Ignorant about religion as much as you are ignorant about history as much as you lack in common sense. May the just god gives you some more of that common sense that you lack and take away some of your peircing selfishness and pride.

As far as the father of the muslims, so it is Abraham, just like the christians

Gen.25
[13] And these are the names of the sons of Ishmael, by their names, according to their generations: the firstborn of Ishmael, Nebajoth; and Kedar, and Adbeel, and Mibsam,
Isa.42
[9] Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them.
[10] Sing unto the LORD a new song, and his praise from the end of the earth, ye that go down to the sea, and all that is therein; the isles, and the inhabitants thereof.
[11] Let the wilderness and the cities thereof lift up their voice, the villages that Kedar doth inhabit: let the inhabitants of the rock sing, let them shout from the top of the mountains.
[12] Let them give glory unto the LORD, and declare his praise in the islands.
[13] The LORD shall go forth as a mighty man, he shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: he shall cry, yea, roar; he shall prevail against his enemies.

SO FOR GOD SAKE STOP DISCRIMINATING AGAINEST THE ARABS THE MUSLIMS, LET US SING AND SHOUT AND DO WHATEVER WE PLEASE. YOUR GOD IS CAUSING JELOUSLY ON UNSETTLE ON PURPOSE, IT IS PART OF HIS PLAN.

Gen.28
[22] And this stone, which I have set for a pillar, shall be God's house: and of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee.
Matt.21
[42] Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?

DON'T MAKE FUN OF MECCAH, THE HOUSE THAT OUR FATHER ABRAHAM HAS BUILT, IT WAS REJECTED FOR A WHILE, BUT ISLAM HAS BROUGHT IT BACK TO IT'S ORIGINAL RESPECTABLE STATUS. IF YOU WISH TO KEEP REJECTING, GO AHEAD, BUT LET US WORSHIP, SING, ECT....IT'S OUR GOD GIVEN RIGHT.

dear child....the bible came first...and our god jesus didnt need scribes runnin round him all day....if u accept jesus as ya lord and saviour and are baptized in da name of the father the son and the holy spirit, then u will be saved.
we love u.

I don't like to recieve love notes or wishes from infedels who don't follow the books of god and attribute to the almighty god greek mythology son daughter attributes. Oh I forgot, you guys are rebels of the Roman catholic mythology and know nothing of the real Jesus. Bunch of confused souls who think they are so stright.....I'll follow my own advice to you and stop offering my sarcastic unmeant love and pity.

By the way, I love this scripture out of your bible.

Matt.7
[3] And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
[4] Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
[5] Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

Hahahahahahahaha......Indeed Jesus had great sense of humor and knew how to give a selfrightous idiot a cold shower.

...wheres my club!

I accept your apology.

Originally posted by heflores
I don't like to recieve love notes or wishes from infedels who don't follow the books of god and attribute to the almighty god greek mythology son daughter attributes. Oh I forgot, you guys are rebels of the Roman catholic mythology and know nothing of the real Jesus. Bunch of confused souls who think they are so stright.....I'll follow my own advice to you and stop offering my sarcastic unmeant love and pity.

By the way, I love this scripture out of your bible.

Matt.7
[3] And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
[4] Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
[5] Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

Hahahahahahahaha......Indeed Jesus had great sense of humor and knew how to give a selfrightous idiot a cold shower. You must be awful wet with all those cold showers by now, then why aren't you clean yet?

Why must you learn Arabic to really understand the Quran?


To have a superior understanding of one book , one must read/study the book in the language it was written in , not in some translation . For Qu'ran this holds a special place even , because there is are immense relevant differences between ancient Qu'ranic Arabic and todays English , or even Latin or Greek . It is far more superior , thus far more complex . No translation can acchieve the same perfection reached written in its native language by defintion , and in special in this case .

Besides that as Ancien Arabic and Math are so immensly interwoven , i think one should know some math to for a better understanding of the Qu'ran , not just Arabic .


Because Mohammad's tribe controlled the Kabbah & they couldn't leave their pagan ways, including some of the rituals of the pagan pilgrimage.


U dont anser anything anyway , so Ill just include this for fun :
How about your Christian virgin mythology taken from Kemet ? Or were those pagan Egyptians the Good guys according to the Bible ?


Jesus is a muslim, a submitter to god, and so am I.


Amen to that


ham to serve...noah. ham be father of arab. have a nice day


I dont see the point . But just to fuck it up completely , Sem father of Arabs not Ham . Abraham (semitic sumerian) is the Arab father , Hagar (hamitic kemetian) is the Arab mother .


dear child....the bible came first...


Nono Torah came first , bible came 2.1 2.2 2.3 2.4 2.5 2.6 2.7 2.8 2.9 and then came 3.0 Qu'ran .


jesus taught compassion


1)Jesus brought the Sword as well .
2)Allah is more than Ar-Rahim

why must i be forever teaching:confused: ..let me guess?...its the burden i have ta carry.

right! lets get strait to it!

allah allah allah...shem the father of the jew - japheth the gentile father and ham the arab...the 3 great faiths are already present when noah presents his curse....ham was ham..thats all there is to it!

randolf...dont mistake the finger pointing at the moon to be the moon itself:D ...have a nice day.

knowledge worth more than pearls rubies and fine gold...bible.
shalom.

oohh!..and rednose..that was from zen.

allah allah allah...shem the father of the jew - japheth the gentile father and ham the arab...the 3 great faiths are already present when noah presents his curse....ham was ham..thats all there is to it!


3 times , remember ?
But back to the point , its not fathers of religion baby , its genealogy . Sem the Semites (Hebrew/Arabian etc), Ham the Hamites(Mongoloid/Negroid) , Japhet the IndoEuro's . Thats from your bible , u should read it someday . How are u concluding religions to genealogy , as all todays Jews decend from Japhet and not Sem .

Who are you teaching ? Id say all u do is fooling yourself .

Abraham is from Sem is he not ? Abraham and Hagar (from Ham) had a son did he not ? His name was Ismael , Ismael was semitic-hamitic was he not ? From Ismael the Arabians (Akhadian and Sabian) descend .

Stop bullshitting yourself .

Both Christianity and Islam are sects of Judaism, so wtf, both gods are the same. What makes the difference is that Mohhamed claimed he was a prophet where as Jesus claimed he was the son of god.

Hi! Hope u are well. Yes, they are both offshoots of the natural branch - and correct - one believed a prophet, the other the Son of God.

allah.! i have the good news and the bad news :D . the good news is that jesus still loves u - and his hand is outstretched still... but the bad news is - it appears that u dont love him!
true humility is a gift allah and can only be aquired at the pool of living water.
now jesus said he was that living water. those words are his ( they came from him ) so they must be true.
ohhh...by the way...never bite the hand that feeds u.

Originally posted by firingseeds
allah.! i have the good news and the bad news :D . the good news is that jesus still loves u - and his hand is outstretched still... but the bad news is - it appears that u dont love him!
ohhh...by the way...never bite the hand that feeds u.

First, we love jesus in our own way, we love to clear his name from blaphsemy that Christians spread about him being a god opposite to what he taught. So, we hope Jesus is appreciating the muslims placing him in his respectable correct place in history and relative to god.

As far as biting the hand, great advise for the aryan race that bit every hand that was handed to it, including Jesus.

I dont see how Jesus got pulled into this semitic-hamitic mambo jambo u were spreading ?


those words are his ( they came from him ) so they must be true

these words are mine ( they came from me) so they must be true


ohhh...by the way...never bite the hand that feeds u.


hands do not feed me only food does , as I am a thief & a murderer rather than a begger .

Oh and heflores , there is no such thing asaryan race , there are only Indo-European ethno-linguistic groups , of whitch the popular "Aryans" were simply Germanics (other Indo Euro's not considered Aryan are Romantics , Slavs , Turks etc . )

The Aryan thingie has to do with Atlantis etc bullshit theories of a Godly race , they even made up once that they were Hebrew Israelites decendants , its hilarious . Hey , people get pissed when they find out that everybody they think they are superior to (blacks/arabs/indian americans/chineze/hindi) shows superiority through history and culture , while they cant ignore their 2500 year old civilization , as they were running around in caves before this time while pyramids and sphinxes were there for milennia and mathematics was written . Calling these people what they wish to be called if they are racist , Aryan , I rather do not give them that pleasure and rather call them caucasian . As caucasian replaced Aryan as the popular term , their ethnical status quo dropped along with it . From God living on a mystic Isle , to caveman in mount caucasus , really must be a bumber .

Ofcourse this is only of importance to people who care for ones ethnicity , and I am not one of them . Aryan appreciators are , and I dont like calling them with honoroble words in that sense .

Peace

now allah compares himself with jesus:rolleyes:...and he deludes himself if he thinks hes independent of whats around him. he relies on the goodness of others for his own survival.
.
heflores...a tree is known by its fruit. claiming to be humble does not make one so...no matter how rich the dressing
...and using the name of jesus is very much of ham

go fire some seeds buddy,
you're at your what 25 posts or something??, let's try to extract the shit and worms out of your brain quickly, or I don't see your survival here to the 100 post as a possiblity.

Go eat some bread represnting Jesus flesh and drink some wine represnting Jesus blood before your baptisim wears out again. I heard it's only good for three days at a time.

the nonsense I have been reading in these posts is beyond belief.
Point #1
"In the beginning was the Word, the Word Was with God, the Word Was God"

that for all that say that Christ was just a messenger or prophet

when Jesus said "depart from me, I never knew you" he was stating what every true christian knows: there are a whole lot of people who called themselves christians that never got the point.
THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY TO THE FATHER, AND THAT IS THROUGH THE SON, BY ACCEPTING THAT ONLY THROUGH HIS SELFLESS SACRIFICE CAN YOUR SINS BE FORGIVEN.

that for the "just live a good life and that's all that counts" ppl.

oh, don't even get me started

People think I'm strange, does it make me a stranger
My Best Friend was born in a manger

Point # 1:
You are reading a corrupt ENGLISH bible, you have no clue where and what is the content of the orignal scripts. After you find your original bible, come and debate the matters my love, before that, consider yourself as saved as the romans that killed Jesus and later came up with their own version of christianity or King James who even corrupted the roman version further.

let's give you some identification marks of a true christian:

a=rejects abortion as the callous, cowardly murder of innocent children who cannot even defend themselves by selfish lazy women who can't be bothered to use a condom or have themselves fixed.

b=rejects the "new world order" pathos as a clear sign of Satan's coming temporary kingdom on this plane, and rejects any and all who support the nwo or any other substitute.

c=rejects homosexuality as a bizarre sin committed by men and women who worship themselves and their own animal lusts. Yes,
you can be forgiven for Homosexuality, BUT YOU HAVE TO STOP DOING IT, FIRST!!!

those are just a few marks of a true christian
now here are a few "true" christians that are in for a surprise when they come before the throne of our Lord & Savior....

Martin Luther: The father of Protestantism was a rabid Jew-hater and have I got news for you, brother, Jesus was a Jewish Rabbi, the Jews are STILL God's chosen ppl, and anyone who persecutes them just bit off more than they can chew...

Most of the RC Popes: For the same reason as Martin Luther, plus the horrible mess they propagated out of the simple message "Love one another, as you do me". Also for taking the mother of Jesus, a blessed woman who was chosen for the honor of bringing Christ to the earth, and making her into co-redeemer with him, and sinless, and everything else....puh-leeezzzee!!!

Jesse Jackson: Any "reverend" who supports abortion has never been in the presence of God.
NEVER!!!

any other names for the list, ppl?

Originally posted by crazydanny
let's give you some identification marks of a true christian:

And after I pass your hiness test, are you going to spray me with a strange fluid and tell me that I'm saved.....I ask you, do you have a special contract with god listing such conditions and annointing you as a judge of humankind. nevertheless, let me follow your conjecture until the nowhere land. This is the Islamic view.

[19.77] Have you, then, seen him who disbelieves in Our communications and says: I shall certainly be given wealth and children?
[19.78] Has he gained knowledge of the unseen, or made a covenant with the Beneficent God?
[19.79] By no means! We write down what he says, and We will lengthen to him the length of the chastisement
[19.80] And We will inherit of him what he says, and he shall come to Us alone.
[19.81] And they have taken gods besides Allah, that they should be to them a source of strength;
[19.82] By no means! They shall soon deny their worshipping them, and they shall be adversaries to them.

Originally posted by crazydanny
a=rejects abortion as the callous, cowardly murder of innocent children who cannot even defend themselves by selfish lazy women who can't be bothered to use a condom or have themselves fixed.

I reject abortion, but I'm not crazy to deny abortion when the mother life is in danger of course, because that would be murder.

Originally posted by crazydanny
b=rejects the "new world order" pathos as a clear sign of Satan's coming temporary kingdom on this plane, and rejects any and all who support the nwo or any other substitute.

Sounds like political brainwashing crap that the new zionist church uses to prey on the weak minds.

Originally posted by crazydanny
c=rejects homosexuality as a bizarre sin committed by men and women who worship themselves and their own animal lusts. Yes,
you can be forgiven for Homosexuality, BUT YOU HAVE TO STOP DOING IT, FIRST!!!

I reject homosexuality completely....More than you'll ever do.

Originally posted by crazydanny
those are just a few marks of a true christian
now here are a few "true" christians that are in for a surprise when they come before the throne of our Lord & Savior....
Martin Luther: The father of Protestantism was a rabid Jew-hater
Most of the RC Popes: For the same reason as Martin Luther, plus the horrible mess they propagated out of the simple message "Love one another, as you do me". Jesse Jackson: Any "reverend" who supports abortion has never been in the presence of God.
NEVER!!!

How are you so sure that they are the ones getting the surprise and not you.....Jesus said..
Matt.21
[42] Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?

So the stone that you'll keep rejecting, god will make corner. Have you been in the presence of god or can you read people's minds and hearts, did you go to heaven and count all those who god wishes to admit or not......Are you blaphsemous enough to undermine god's judgement and mercy and judge god's slaves and humans for him.....Get back in the right line, you're just a slave of god who talks out of conjectures and nothing more.......Neverthless, it's expected from you, it's your same church during the midevil era that use to sell keys for heaven for a small price of money......

when it comes down to it, the proof is in the pudding....

muslims hate jews...why?
because the promise of God to Abraham was through Isaac, not ishmael. The muslims know that, and they think the only way to make that promise a lie is to kill off all the jews.
But....
it isn't working so well, is it? Everytime you idiots tangle with israel, they kick your butts up between your ears. You outnumber them a hundred to one, yet the Jews stomp a mudhole in you all the time. It is obvious whose side God is on, and it just EATS at the islamists, lol. Islam is the only religion that encourages people to walk up to a busload of innocent children with a bomb taped to their chest and blow them all up....bunch of cowards!!! Terrorists by nature.

I tell you how to stop all this terrorist crap once and for all....point a nuke at mecca and medina, and tell all the muslims that the next tourist or child they murder, the "holy city" will become a "holy parking lot", I'll bet you'd see the crap stop.

Why?
Because without your cities, your fake religion has nothing.

make me sick....

Originally posted by crazydanny
when it comes down to it, the proof is in the pudding....
muslims hate jews...why?
because the promise of God to Abraham was through Isaac, not ishmael. The muslims know that, and they think the only way to make that promise a lie is to kill off all the jews.

If you love the jews so much, then why not become a jew yourself..Or are you the biggest hypocrite that ever exited.
Excuse me retarded fellow, but the last time I checked, it was christians that hated jews and excuted 6 millions of them in Europe. The arabs hid the jews in their homes during WWII to protect them. Please give me one instance of mass kill or opression that muslims have ever subjected Israeli to, now the chrisitians have opressed the Israeli plenty........We love the jews, we are convinced that the good ones of them will go to heaven, show me a verse in your bible that states so, and our Koran says:

The Cow
[2.62] Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve.


Originally posted by crazydanny
make me sick....

I have no question in mind that you're a sick bastard as you say of yourself, I have an idea about the cause, it's the place away from home and work that you spend your most time and that pollute your mind. Please stay christian or whatever you are, dumb mentalities like yours are not welcomed in the jewish or Islamic faith.

I think more Jewish blood has been shed in Europe then anywhere else. The biggest being the holocaust and inquisition. Most Islamists turn green with envy because they know they can never match Europeans on their favorite sporting event, killing Jews.

look at my previous post, dunderhead....

yes, millions of Jews were murdered by so called christians, once again, people who will cry "lord lord" and be rejected, because they obviously never really knew christ.

as far as current muslim feelings on the subject, hit this site and go blow your bs up someone else's tailpipe.

http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=archives&Area=sd&ID=SP48803

"go sell crazy somewhere else...we're all stocked up here"

Originally posted by crazydanny

"go sell crazy somewhere else...we're all stocked up here"

The only truth comes out......Afterall, your name is crazy......I should expect no less...no more.....And I naivly thought that shit only comes out of people ass, but it looks like you're gifted in that department and you ooze a lot out of every hole in your body.

Hey while I'm at it. Crazydanny, christians believe that bulls give milk.....They believe that a true christian must milk a bull before He can get saved.......Go perform your duty son.....Jesus loves you.

Caveman , let Allah show you some wisdom

1)No Muslim hates a Jew . And besides that for Isaac , Isaac was not a Jew , Jacob is the one called Israel not Isaac .

Islam is the only religion that encourages people to walk up to a busload of innocent children with a bomb taped to their chest and blow them all up

2)Show me how Islam encourages this , or shut up .
U should not even be allowed to pronounce the name of Islam Kafir

3)Terrorists by nature.
As many u fail to define terrorism

I tell you how to stop all this terrorist crap once and for all....point a nuke at mecca and medina, and tell all the muslims that the next tourist or child they murder, the "holy city" will become a "holy parking lot", I'll bet you'd see the crap stop.

Please do , and you know what NUKE Mecca for all i care , please do , just nuke it . It is a billionaires city full of Kafir Saddam himself sits there right now , and by no means do I give a fuck for a stone , if Allah protects that stone it wont be destroyed anyhow .

Because as you have nuked Mecca , you have produced 1.2 BILLION "terrorists" . Thats rights , we are all crazy suicide-bombing motherfuckers when it is asked of us to be so , nuking Mecca I would say would be Jihad for every single muslim alive that can walk and talk and fight .

Say: "Can you expect for us other than one of two glorious things : Martyrdom or Victory ? But we can expect for you either that Allah will send his punishment from Himself or by our hands. So wait expectant : we too will wait with you."

I suggest u arm urself Kafir

As we are ready to go already , we just need a sign from heavens above baby , send us one of your lovely rockets , or are U CHICKEN ?

U spread nothing but Ignorance

Can u believe this guy he is copying links I posted in politics section.

Bashars interview at memri , check my thread idiot
LMAO

apeman

oe oe oe

:D

absolutely fabulous...you guys should be on the tonight show...NOT!!

I know of the blood libel, fool. I know how muslims teach their children that jews murder them for the blood for matzos.

I know about the principle of submitting with a closed fist, i.e., when your opponent is strong, you submit to him until he turns his back, then strike him down (typical cowardly behavior).

mohammed died a syphilis-stricken raving maniac, and you are going to take HIS word for anything?

You guys are like that idiot in Iraq, proclaiming there are no Americans in Baghdad, and the soldiers were just up the street.

Yes, the muslims are masters of Newspeak (read Orwell's 1984)

and your responses in your last post prove the fact that you also are a terrorist at heart. You support and validate what the other terrorists do, which makes you just as bad. Maybe we will get lucky and you'll blow yourself up on a school bus like your buddies. Maybe we'll be even luckier and you'll be too stupid to notice that the schoolbus is one of your own.

That would be classic, I can see the headlines:

"Schmuck Arab inadvertently blows up own people"

"I spit on you, I spit on your mother, and I'd spit on your father too, but your mother never figured out which one he was"

that was a classic arab curse (at least they're good for something)

by the way idiot, Isaac was a hebrew, which is the original name of the jewish people. God promised Abraham that his children's children THROUGH ISAAC would rule the world. Not through ishmael, although you muslims tried to write your own book to change that little fact around...ha-ha taking lessons from the Jehovah's Witnesses are we?

schmucks

Originally posted by crazydanny
mohammed died a syphilis-stricken raving maniac,

No was that Nietzsche, a philosophical genius. :)

Originally posted by crazydanny
God promised Abraham that his children's children THROUGH ISAAC would rule the world.

News flash Mr. Kahane, the Jews nor the Arabs are predestined to rule the world. By hey, if want to reinforced inane theories by conspicuous anti-Semites everywhere, go ahead. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by crazydanny
by the way idiot, Isaac was a hebrew, which is the original name of the jewish people. God promised Abraham that his children's children THROUGH ISAAC would rule the world. Not through ishmael, although you muslims tried to write your own book to change that little fact around...ha-ha taking lessons from the Jehovah's Witnesses are we?

schmucks

You are so ignorant in this matter. Please read the attached file. It's kindda embarrasing to you but very enlightening. By the way, I'm a she, mother of two, go under site feedback, picture thread for pictures....It'll give you an idea about how muslim families look like.

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Judaism, Christianity and Islam are all variations of the same basic religion. All believe in one God and that Adam was the first man. All have essentially the same line of prophets. All recognize the traditions contained in what is known as the Book of Genesis of the Bible. Almost all of the stories of the Book of Genesis are recounted in the Koran. The differences between them are small, almost infinitesimal. Yet, these small differences form the major gap, which separates these religions.
The biggest gulf between the Bible, the Torah and the Koran comes in the Story of Abraham, where Abraham took his son up the mountain to be sacrificed. All three books tell almost exactly the same story. There is only one significant difference: The Bible and the Torah say that Abraham took his younger son, Isaac, to be sacrificed. The Koran says that Abraham took his elder son, Ishmael, to be sacrificed. Which is correct? Which is wrong?
The difference is vital from the Jewish point of view. The Jews claim that, as a result, Isaac and his descendants are heirs to the entire land of Canaan. The Muslims also find this difference to be vital, but for different reasons.
It can be demonstrably proven from the Bible itself that Ishmael, and not Isaac, was the son to be sacrificed, as follows:
Abraham was the son of Terah (Genesis 11:27). Abraham was originally from Ur, which was in modern day Iraq. Abraham did not arrive in Canaan until he was 75 years old. He had a brief sojourn in Egypt, during which he allowed his wife, Sarah, to be taken by the Pharaoh (Genesis 12:11-16). Abraham later allowed his wife to be taken by Abimelech, King of Gerar (Genesis 20:2).
Sarah was the half-sister of Abraham. They had the same father, but different mothers (Genesis 20:12). Sarah was 10 years younger than Abraham (Genesis 17:17). Sarah was barren, so she gave her handmaid, Hagar, to Abraham as a wife (Genesis 16:3). Hagar became pregnant with Abraham's child when Abraham was 85 years old!!! After Hagar became pregnant, Sarah twice drove her away: Once before the child was born, (Genesis 16:4-12), and once after (Genesis 21:9-20).
It is to be noted that the Bible often does not present events in chronological order. The story of Sarah driving Hagar and Ishmael away comes after stories of Ishmael as a teenager. Yet, it is clear that Ishmael was an infant when Sarah drove them out (Genesis 21:15-18). This story is related in the Koran as well. The Koran describes Ishmael as an infant, too young to walk.
The story of Abraham taking his son up the mountain to be sacrificed is in the Bible in (Genesis 22:2-12).
Isaac was born to Sarah when Abraham was 100 years old and Sarah was 90 (Genesis 21:5). This is one of the great miracles of the Bible: A child born to a woman of age 90.
All sides agree that Ishmael and Isaac were brothers. They further agree that Ishmael is the father of all Arabs and that Isaac is the father of all Jews. Thus, the three great religions agree that the Arabs and the Jews are brothers; a point often overlooked by those who have not studied these religions.
Clearly, the Arabs outnumber the Jews. There are more than 100 million Arabs in the world, and less than 10 million Jews.
Throughout the Book of Genesis, God promises Abraham that his descendants will be of great multitude. God says that he will make Abraham a great nation (Genesis 12:2). God says that the descendants of Abraham shall be as numerous as the dust of the Earth, (Genesis 13:16), and shall be in number as the stars of the sky (Genesis 15:5). God says that Abraham will be a father to many nations (Genesis 17:4) and that his descendants will have the land of Canaan (Genesis 17:8). God makes similar promises about Hagar, Ishmael and Isaac. He tells Hagar that her descendants shall be a great multitude (Genesis 16:10). God tells Abraham that Sarah will be a mother of nations (Genesis 17:16). He says to Abraham that Ishmael will beget 12 princes (Genesis 17:20).
The key to the dispute comes at Genesis 22:17, when God says to Abraham: "I will multiply your descendants as the stars of the heavens and the sand that is on the seashore."
Isaac was 14 years younger than Ishmael. When Abraham took his son to be sacrificed, that son appears to have been about 13. God several times refers to Abraham's son as his "only son." God says "Take now your son, your only son, Isaac." (Genesis 22:2). God says, "You have not withheld your son, your only son, from me." (Genesis 22:12).
Did God make a mistake?? Did God not know that Abraham had two sons: Ishmael and Isaac?
Obviously, God did not make a mistake. What really happened was that Isaac was not born yet. Ishmael, at age 13, was Abraham's only son. Isaac was born one year later. The Bible is in error.
When Abraham died at the age of 175, Ishmael and Isaac buried him together (Genesis 25:9). By then, Abraham had taken another wife, Keturah, and had had six sons by her (Genesis 25:2). This last wife, Keturah, produced more children for Abraham than the others combined, another fact often overlooked.
It is logically obvious that it was Ishmael and not Isaac who was to be sacrificed. Consider the alternative: If it was Isaac, then Isaac was 13 and Ishmael was 27, Abraham was 113 and Sarah was 103. It is unlikely that a 113 year old man could climb a mountain, split wood, build an alter, tie up his son, and later kill a ram, all of which the Bible says that Abraham did on the occasion in question.
Moreover, if he did all that, why did not Abraham call upon his then 27-year-old son, Ishmael, for assistance?
Furthermore, whereas the descendants of Ishmael are of a great multitude, numbering more than 100 million today, the descendants of Isaac have waxed and waned and have been found and lost over the centuries. The descendants of Isaac only had their own kingdom for a brief period in history, and then only long after Isaac had died and many generations had passed. Before then, they were slaves in Egypt. Later, they were conquered by the Babylonians and again taken into slavery. Even when they had their own kings, some of their kings, such as Ahab and Ahaz, worshipped Ba'al and not God (1 Kings 16:32 and 2 Chronicles 28:2).
Many believe that most of the European Jews of today, especially the Russian Jews, are not descendants of Isaac at all, but are descendants of the Kazars, the so-called "13th Tribe", which was centered in the area of Kiev and which converted to Judaism by order of their rulers in the Ninth Century, AD.
If God did promise Isaac that his descendants would be in number as the dust of the Earth, as the stars in the sky, and as the sand in the seashore, this was a false promise which has not been fulfilled.
Another promise that was not fulfilled, if indeed it was made, was the promise to give Isaac all of the Land of Canaan. The Arabs, the descendants of Ishmael, have occupied Canaan from that day to this. Canaan is the valley on the right and left banks of the Jordan River. Today, the Right Bank is controlled entirely by Arabs. More than 90% of the population of the Left Bank is Arab as well. The Jews only recently re-arrived as rulers of part of that area after an absence of nearly 3,000 years.
The sons of Ishmael became kings immediately. The Bible says that they lived in a land East of Egypt (Genesis 25:18). It was a caravan from the tribe of Ishmael that took Joseph to Egypt (Genesis 37:25) and 39:1). Since Ishmael was 14 years older than Isaac, and since Isaac was 60 years old before his first and only sons were born, it is apparent that by the time that the 12 tribes of Israel got off to their big start, the tribes of Ishmael had long been well established.
The Bible contains many obvious errors and inconsistencies. Starting from Genesis, it first says that Enoch and his son Mathushael and his son Lamech were direct descendants of Cain along the male line (Genesis 4:18). It later says that Enoch and his son Methuselah and his son Lamech were direct descendants of Seth along the male line (Genesis 5:21-25). Both could not be true, except in the unlikely event that there were two identical sets of persons with these names.
In the New Testament, Matthew 1 lists 42 generations between Abraham and Joseph, the presumed father of Jesus, whereas Luke 3 lists 55 generations. The names in these lists are different after King David as well. Matthew says that Jesus is a descendant of David through his son, King Solomon. Luke says that Jesus is a descendant of David through another son, Nathan. The Luke version is more believable because it is more detailed and because the Matthew version tends to list kings and famous personalities as ancestors of Jesus, whereas Luke lists common or otherwise unknown people. Jesus is supposed to have been a common man.
The Bible describes Sarah as a beautiful woman whom even the Pharaoh of Egypt would want and whom a man would kill another man to get (Genesis 12:11-15) and 20:11). Yet, Sarah was apparently already 65 years old when she first arrived in Egypt.
Deuteronomy 23:2 says that an illegitimate child may not enter the Assembly of God even until the Tenth Generation. Yet, Perez was clearly the illegitimate son of Tamar, who sold herself as a harlot to her father-in-law Judah (Genesis 38:24-29). The Bible makes it clear that Judah never married Tamar. Yet, the descendants of Tamar to the Tenth Generation were Perez, Hezron, Ram, Amminadab, Nahshon, Salmon, Boaz, Obed, Jesse and King David!!
The Bible says that the Children of Israel stayed in Egypt for 430 years (Exodus 12:40). Yet, this could not possibly have been true. It is evident that the Jews could not have remained there for much more than 200 years at the longest, because Moses was the son of Jochebed, who was the daughter of Levi (Exodus 6:20 and Exodus 2:1). Moses was 80 years old when he talked with Pharaoh (Exodus 7:7). Since a woman cannot give birth to a child much beyond the age of 40, and since Levi did not live beyond the age of 130 and Levi was born before Joseph and was born in Canaan, the total length of time that the Jews were in Egypt cannot have been more than 250 years.
The Bible has been transcribed and re-transcribed a thousand times over the centuries. What we can see here is that somewhere along the line, some scribe wrote in that Abraham intended to sacrifice Isaac, whereas in reality he intended to sacrifice Ishmael. The motivation for this alteration is obvious, because it forms the basis to the Hebrew claim to have the legal right of ownership of the entire Land of Canaan.
The Bible says that Abraham gave all that he had to Isaac (Genesis 2:5). However, it is apparent that Abraham did not give and could not have given the birthright of Ishmael to Isaac. Isaac and his immediate descendants never ruled the Land of Canaan. They merely lived there.
Isaac was not even capable of finding himself a wife. When Isaac was 40 years old and still unmarried, his then 140-year-old father, Abraham, sent a servant to find a wife for Isaac (Genesis 24). After the dutiful servant brought a wife to Isaac, it took Isaac another 20 years before he was able to make her pregnant. Rebecca, the wife of Isaac, first and last gave birth when Isaac was 60 years old and Rebecca was probably about 36 (Genesis 25:26).
Except for Isaac, none of the other patriarchs of the Bible seemed to have any trouble finding women and in conceiving children with them.

By a simple substitution of the name Ishmael for the name Isaac in just four places in Genesis 22:2-7, all of the prophecies become true. As the passages would then state, the rulers and descendants of Ishmael did become the rulers and kings of the area. The descendants of Ishmael did quickly multiply and become in number as dust of the Earth, stars in the sky or sand on the seashore.

ummm...the bible says it, I believe it, that settles it

Originally posted by crazydanny
ummm...the bible says it, I believe it, that settles it


You have to read it first you moron before you believe it....that is a prerequisite....
Fine, I don't make my minds about people from first impression, cause yours stink.....inorder that you may redeem your illogic and unattractice entrance to this site, debate my post above, take it apart and give me some good comments.

Originally posted by crazydanny
ummm...the bible says it, I believe it, that settles it
LOL So Is Bible the sole depository of the truth? Is the bible the cornerstone of all that is logical? :rolleyes: The Bible is remnants of Semitic trash derived from vile and disgusting scriptures such as Torah and Talmud.

Jer.8
[8] How do ye say, We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us? Lo, certainly in vain made he it; the pen of the scribes is in vain.


Do you guys always skip over those things that question your belief, even if it came out of your own bible.

there is an old saying that the bible is either all true, or none of it is true, in which case we are all doomed....

the existence of the torah has been known for thousands of years, and it is well known that jewish scribes are taught to copy it verbatim...i.e.: not one change is tolerated. The torah is unaltered from the very first edition. Not one christian document can claim that, nor can your Quran. The torah also contains the bible code, which has been shown to be infallible...nothing else comes close. Inconsistencies in verse from the torah only come from the translations, not from the original.

There are other religions that got started by one lunatic on a bender...mormonism, jehovah's witnesses, etc., In each case, they number millions of adherents. In the case of Islam, however,
you people tend to murder anyone who isn't in your Country Club, so to speak. When Christian Missionaries risk their lives to come into muslim nations to spread the gospel, you murder them, burn whole churches full of converts, sell the kids as slaves, etc.

Why are there so many muslims? Because you kill anyone in your countries who isn't a card-carrying member of the Allah Club, and people know that "leaving the church"is usually an invitation to get their head lopped off. You are rabid self-glorifying hypocrites who go to the peace table while they are training brain-washed morons to fly planes into buildings. A nation of cowards....if Islam is the true path To God, then I will most happily burn in hell.

Originally posted by crazydanny
....if Islam is the true path To God, then I will most happily burn in hell.

And you will and you will have noone to blame for it but yourself......Islam means submition to god...It's repulsive to me that a so called christian is so arrogant to say that he will never submit to his creator.

As much as I love to watch theists fight among themselves:
Why do you believe that the only 'path to God' is through submission? Humans are perfectly capable of helping others out (even when they don't want help) without demanding submission. Isn't God supposed to be better and more loving then us?

Submission to god is equal to submission to one's purpose in life and is crucial to one's advancement and well being. Man's purpose in life is already set and you can clearly see it. We are born, we know nothing, we grow physically and in knowledge, we peak, we have children, we grow some more, then after all that building up in children, possessions, and money, we die.

To be able to understand life correctly and make the right choices, one must be in peace with their mission in life and in submittion to the fact that their creator designed them to live, die, and get judged. Once those concepts are understood, then you will understand better the moral codes, you won't be overly emotional and passionate or higly strict....you'll understand the correct path and the meaning of the word balance.

You may think that doing good is a good thing.....oh yes it is, but is it the balanced thing, does it agree with your purpose in life, are you forgetting your real responsbilities that god entrusted you with as you think you are doing good. That's why I believe that it's better for me to clean toilets to feed my kids than go on a missionary trip to spread the gospel to others......I guess submittion to god teaches you to be your own light first before becoming the street light.

I find it difficult to see the difference between accepting a purpose God gives you, and accepting life. You can decide for yourself what your 'mission' is... and then go out and try to accomplish it. There is no good reason you need religion to make you moral.

I guess submittion to god teaches you to be your own light first before becoming the street light.
I do agree with this, although I'd have to replace 'god' with 'life'

Originally posted by Persol
I find it difficult to see the difference between accepting a purpose God gives you, and accepting life. You can decide for yourself what your 'mission' is... and then go out and try to accomplish it. There is no good reason you need religion to make you moral.


Defining life without understanding purpose and creation is simply chaos. Man have no patience and thus is unable to know the right choice at the moment. One must interject to the end, then extrapolate to make the correct choice. As I said, good intentions might be more harmfull than anything. And what seems as bad, might actually be the correct action. Please read the story of Moses in the Quran below and you'll understand why it is detrimental to accept life before accepting god....

[18.66] Musa said to him: Shall I follow you on condition that you should teach me right knowledge of what you have been taught?
[18.67] He said: Surely you cannot have patience with me
[18.68] And how can you have patience in that of which you have not got a comprehensive knowledge?
[18.69] He said: If Allah pleases, you will find me patient and I shall not disobey you in any matter.
[18.70] He said: If you would follow me, then do not question me about any thing until I myself speak to you about it
[18.71] So they went (their way) until when they embarked in the boat he made a hole in it. (Musa) said: Have you made a hole in it to drown its inmates? Certainly you have done a grievous thing.
[18.72] He said: Did I not say that you will not be able to have patience with me?
[18.73] He said: Blame me not for what I forgot, and do not constrain me to a difficult thing in my affair.
[18.74] So they went on until, when they met a boy, he slew him. (Musa) said: Have you slain an innocent person otherwise than for manslaughter? Certainly you have done an evil thing.
[18.75] He said: Did I not say to you that you will not be able to have patience with me?
[18.76] He said: If I ask you about anything after this, keep me not in your company; indeed you shall have (then) found an excuse in my case.
[18.77] So they went on until when they came to the people of a town, they asked them for food, but they refused to entertain them as guests. Then they found in it a wall which was on the point of falling, so he put it into a right state. (Musa) said: If you had pleased, you might certainly have taken a recompense for it.
[18.78] He said: This shall be separation between me and you; now I will inform you of the significance of that with which you could not have patience.
[18.79] As for the boat, it belonged to (some) poor men who worked on the river and I wished that I should damage it, and there was behind them a king who seized every boat by force.
[18.80] And as for the boy, his parents were believers and we feared lest he should make disobedience and ingratitude to come upon them:
[18.81] So we desired that their Lord might give them in his place one better than him in purity and nearer to having compassion.
[18.82] And as for the wall, it belonged to two orphan boys in the city, and there was beneath it a treasure belonging to them, and their father was a righteous man; so your Lord desired that they should attain their maturity and take out their treasure, a mercy from your Lord, and I did not do it of my own accord. This is the significance of that with which you could not have patience.

Hey Alter kakher , let me just remind you that no Yiddishe tongue is related to Hebrew , and no Ashkenazim is related to Israelites .

Yes that means Isaac 2 , there are hardly ANY jewish descendends of Isaac , most converted either to Christianity or Islam , others are simply extinct , and Isaac had keine Turkic/Slav/Germanic nefews in his tribe habibi .

Its Japhets babies ruling the world Nebish , die yiddishe und die englishe .

U dadda is a putschnatzer U mamma is a kurva they both hang out at the local shandhoiz

Was kan ich weiter sagen , alther kakher war ein trichen ah furtz geworten .

:D

in laotian, it is dao'u mmao mai, ahn cuhn `ka
in spanish, it would be vesa mi cula, chinga tu madre
in german you are scheizkopf
in russian you are n'yetkyultoorni
in ebonics you are da bee-ahtch
and in arabic you're probably just like the rest, lol

I just have one comment for you:

If you were from the southern part of the united states,
your parents would have called each other
"Bubba" & "Sissy"

Don't let your mind wander, fool....it's too little to be out by itself!

Originally posted by crazydanny
If you were from the southern part of the united states,
your parents would have called each other
"Bubba" & "Sissy"


Carefull crazy.....You know what they do the South to people like you that speak foreign languages......They lynch them southern style...Now if they have arabic ancestors and they live in the south, they pave the road with nails before the lynching starts.

Come on man, let's go back to religion, sooner or later, the moderator will start deleting our posts.....did you run out of juice already??

Originally posted by heflores
Defining life without understanding purpose and creation is simply chaos.
You can understand purpose perfectly fine if you define your own. The problem comes in the way you accomplish your purpose. There is also no reason to assume you only have one purpose.

Man have no patience and thus is unable to know the right choice at the moment.
I don't think patience is an major issue. Many choices are time sensitive, hence our rush.

As I said, good intentions might be more harmfull than anything. And what seems as bad, might actually be the correct action.
Agreed, but all you can do is try to forsee the consequences of your actions. Second guessing can be just as harmful. A belief in god does not make you less likely to make mistakes, as you still have to decide as all other humans do.

Please read the story of Moses in the Quran below and you'll understand why it is detrimental to accept life before accepting god....
I disagree with several parts of the story. Mainly "do not question me about any thing until I myself speak to you about it." Those with knowledge do not always go out of their way to disperse it, and those who say 'trust me' usually have something to hide. Then he killed a boy because he might 'make disobedience'? Maybe it is just me, but I'd feel it my duty to question that. Maybe he is speaking to god... maybe he's just a nut with a knife.

back to religion:

Christianity is an absolute HORROR in the past for dealing with other people. The catholic heirarchy in Rome & Spain murdered more Jews than Hitler envisioned in his fondest dreams.

The descendants of Japheth may rule the world right now (I know you refer to caucasians), but the Semitic (i.e. Shem) People are the people that the Future Rulers are descended from, one branch in particular: the descendants of Abraham thru Isaac.

I have heard it said that Islam has no missionaries, but that is not true...was it not said by Mohammet/Muhammad/Mohammed to spread Islam at the tip of the sword? In other words, did not your "Allah" specifically order you to kill anyone that did not convert to Islam (speak carefully...we don't burn history books here like they do in Egypt & Syria)

Originally posted by Persol
You can understand purpose perfectly fine if you define your own. The problem comes in the way you accomplish your purpose. There is also no reason to assume you only have one purpose.
You can't do it unless you understand that you are a created human, that you are destined to die in a short time, and in your heart must be the assurance of the hereafter. Otherwise, you will live yourlife like you're here forever and end up making greedy wrong decisions and end up in disapointment.


Originally posted by Persol
Agreed, but all you can do is try to forsee the consequences of your actions. Second guessing can be just as harmful. A belief in god does not make you less likely to make mistakes, as you still have to decide as all other humans do.
Yes, but understanding the big picture about god and our vulnerability in the hands of god, greatly humble us, and makes us less likely to act as fools who otherwise have no care in the world.

Originally posted by Persol
I disagree with several parts of the story. Mainly "do not question me about any thing until I myself speak to you about it." Those with knowledge do not always go out of their way to disperse it, and those who say 'trust me' usually have something to hide. Then he killed a boy because he might 'make disobedience'? Maybe it is just me, but I'd feel it my duty to question that. Maybe he is speaking to god... maybe he's just a nut with a knife.
The story I showed you was a direct test made by god for Moses. God knew that Moses will not pass the test, because by nature man will always question. God wanted to show us in this example that we are human and even our pure prophets are humans who act similarly to us. God wants to show us that the full knowledge is only with him and not with humans. I'm sorry I didn't include the beginning of verse, but Moses was speaking to an angel of god, who was sent to teach Moses the Torah.

Originally posted by crazydanny
I have heard it said that Islam has no missionaries, but that is not true...was it not said by Mohammet/Muhammad/Mohammed to spread Islam at the tip of the sword? In other words, did not your "Allah" specifically order you to kill anyone that did not convert to Islam (speak carefully...we don't burn history books here like they do in Egypt & Syria)

Islam have no missionaries. God told us in the Quran that he is the only one that can guide. Even our own prophet was told in the Quran that he can't guide noone. I really don't know where you are getting your stereotype about Islam. Please know that when we get judged infront of god, we don't stand in lines based on our religion. We all are under one god and will be judged based on one criteria...Our manmade divisions does not exist at the gates of god. Here's example from the Quran on tolerance and advise to our prophet to not guide anyone.

The Cow
[2.272] To make them walk in the right way is not incumbent on you, but Allah guides aright whom He pleases; and whatever good thing you spend, it is to your own good; and you do not spend but to seek Allah's pleasure; and whatever good things you spend shall be paid back to you in full, and you shall not be wronged.


The Disbelievers
In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful.

[109.1] Say: O unbelievers!
[109.2] I do not serve that which you serve,
[109.3] Nor do you serve Him Whom I serve:
[109.4] Nor am I going to serve that which you serve,
[109.5] Nor are you going to serve Him Whom I serve:
[109.6] You shall have your religion and I shall have my religion.


We leave them alone, if they leave us alone, we are not in the business of interfering with others religion and private relationship with god.

The descendants of Japheth may rule the world right now (I know you refer to caucasians), but the Semitic (i.e. Shem) People are the people that the Future Rulers are descended from, one branch in particular: the descendants of Abraham thru Isaac.


U still dont get it do you ? Those descendant of Isaac are NOT Jewish , it is the descendents of JAPHET that are Jewish . Jews are just as caucasian as other white peoples around euro . The difference is most caucasians are christians , some caucasians are jews , most semites are muslim , some semites are christian , hardly any semites are jews (yes there are more christian semites than jewish ones) . U getting the point , or is it still blurry for u ? There are more palestinians descendends of Isaac than Israeli's .


spread Islam at the tip of the sword?


Jesus brought the sword just as well . Tell 'em heflores , Im sure u know some nice bible quotes on this .


speak carefully...we don't burn history books here like they do in Egypt & Syria


This is so hilarious . The greatest civilization u people ever knew , the greeks , when the caveman barbarians of england etc became Christian and rebelled and becamed independant from Rome , do you know all books they burned . Not only books , peoples 2 . There went Plato and Aristotle . Good thing the Arabs still had everything from the Greeks , so they could tell you about . And now it is YOU who speak of book burning ?

Originally posted by Allahs_Mathematics

Jesus brought the sword just as well . Tell 'em heflores , Im sure u know some nice bible quotes on this .



My pleasure,


Sir.46
[1] Jesus the son a Nave was valiant in the wars, and was the successor of Moses in prophecies, who according to his name was made great for the saving of the elect of God, and taking vengeance of the enemies that rose up against them, that he might set Israel in their inheritance.

r u still trying out for the tonight show?

caveman, indeed...ha!

semitic means descendant of Shem, inbred degenerate (just in case you missed earlier bubba/sissy reference), and the jewish people ARE descended from Shem, and are therefor Semitic.

by the way, I noticed no one responded to my remark about the blood libel that is STILL being perpetrated in the muslim nations against the jewish people. You tell your children the jews will kill them to get their blood for mahtzoh on passover...

hmmm? any comments?

semitic means descendant of Shem, inbred degenerate (just in case you missed earlier bubba/sissy reference), and the jewish people ARE descended from Shem, and are therefor Semitic.


this guy is hilarious , they are not baby , it is their jewish faith that has semitic roots , not their blood .


by the way, I noticed no one responded to my remark about the blood libel that is STILL being perpetrated in the muslim nations against the jewish people. You tell your children the jews will kill them to get their blood for mahtzoh on passover...


Nobody ever told me the jews will kill me when I was little , and quite franly I have never heard of this fairy tale .


caveman, indeed...ha!


caveman indeed

And whats up with inbred ? If any peole mixed ever it was the ashkenazim jews .

Originally posted by heflores
My pleasure,


Sir.46
[1] Jesus the son a Nave was valiant in the wars, and was the successor of Moses in prophecies, who according to his name was made great for the saving of the elect of God, and taking vengeance of the enemies that rose up against them, that he might set Israel in their inheritance.
STOP quoting the Quran when talking about Jesus,
because that is the muslim version of reality,
which all of Jesus' followers would never believe,
which Jesus would not ever believe,
which never happened except in the story-telling by Mohammad,
which Mohammad picked up from stories from Jews
& christians that he heard,
The life of Jesus is in the Gospels, not the Injil (which is what muslims think), read it before you quote Jesus. Not some impostor, a fake, a sham

Originally posted by Randolfo
STOP quoting the Quran when talking about Jesus,
because that is the muslim version of reality,
which all of Jesus' followers would never believe,
which Jesus would not ever believe,
which never happened except in the story-telling by Mohammad,
which Mohammad picked up from stories from Jews
& christians that he heard,
The life of Jesus is in the Gospels, not the Injil (which is what muslims think), read it before you quote Jesus. Not some impostor, a fake, a sham


That was the bible quoted you idiot.

Sir.46
[1] Jesus the son a Nave was valiant in the wars, and was the successor of Moses in prophecies, who according to his name was made great for the saving of the elect of God, and taking vengeance of the enemies that rose up against them, that he might set Israel in their inheritance.
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Have you read the bible before, it has a book named Wisdom of Jesus Son of Sirach, King james....doofus
:D

Originally posted by crazydanny
r u still trying out for the tonight show?

caveman, indeed...ha!

semitic means descendant of Shem, inbred degenerate (just in case you missed earlier bubba/sissy reference), and the jewish people ARE descended from Shem, and are therefor Semitic.

by the way, I noticed no one responded to my remark about the blood libel that is STILL being perpetrated in the muslim nations against the jewish people. You tell your children the jews will kill them to get their blood for mahtzoh on passover...

hmmm? any comments?

The reason we don't comment, is because we know nothing of such nonesense, may you show us a Quranic verses of such relavance. Other than that, it looks like you are the one telling your children such nonesense, because we have no clue what the hell you are talking about.

Have you read the bible before, it has a book named Wisdom of Jesus Son of Sirach, King james....doofus
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No it does not.
The king James has no such book.

Jesus said "my kingdom is not of this world, if it were my subjects would fight"...........
He never came to set up Isreal in there inheiretence, He came as the Savoiur of Mankind to die for our sins, and to take the kingdom from the Israelites and give it to the Gentiles.
Israel was destroyed 40 years later after rejecting Jesus.
heflores, you can't qoute the bible correctly and make it lie.

Originally posted by TheVisitor
Have you read the bible before, it has a book named Wisdom of Jesus Son of Sirach, King james....doofus
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No it does not.
The king James has no such book.

Jesus said "my kingdom is not of this world, if it were my subjects would fight"...........
He never came to set up Isreal in there inheiretence, He came as the Savoiur of Mankind to die for our sins, and to take the kingdom from the Israelites and give it to the Gentiles.
Israel was destroyed 40 years later after rejecting Jesus.
heflores, you can't qoute the bible correctly and make it lie.


TheVisitor,
When Jesus says my kingdom is not of this world, he means, my true reward will not be granted in this world, but in heaven, like all of us....HOw do you extract garbage about him dying for our sins from....He never says so in the bible....

Peace and mercy be on Jesus, stop commiting blaphsemy about one of god chosen people, how would you feel if I glorified you and contributed to you things that you never taught, actually things that you despised....

Originally posted by heflores
That was the bible quoted you idiot.

King james....doofus
:D
Name calling again? Oh, you are so childish! If you would look up real sources, that would be a good start! Stop using corrupted sources, like the Quran & Sirach, was that "Sirach the Magnificent'? or "Sirach the Fraudulent"? Jesus never fought in a war, only at the End of Time will He lead have anything to do with the War of End Times, read the “Real” Bible, not these frauds, next thing you know, you’ll start quoting from Joseph Smith of the Mormons, by The Way he’s not Christian either & he was a fraud too! Got many ideas from Mohammad by the way, polygamy, prophethood, etc.

Here look it up yourself. The official king james Bible.

http://www.hti.umich.edu/cgi/k/kjv/kjv-idx?type=DIV2&byte=4068098

Apocrypha Books
1 Esdras
2 Esdras
Tobit
Judith
Additions to the Book of Esther
Wisdom of Solomon
Prologue to Wisdom of Jesus Son of Sirach
Wisdom of Jesus Son of Sirach
Baruch
Letter of Jeremiah
Prayer of Azariah
Susanna
Bel and the Dragon
Prayer of Manasseh
1 Maccabees
2 Maccabees


Sir.46
[1] Jesus the son a Nave was valiant in the wars, and was the successor of Moses in prophecies, who according to his name was made great for the saving of the elect of God, and taking vengeance of the enemies that rose up against them, that he might set Israel in their inheritance.

Interesting..... I went to this web site you suggested.

The Jesus you refered to is not The Jesus Christ of Nazareth, but one of the original twelve spies sent into the "land of the Giants"
Joshua, the son of Nun.

He was valiant in battle no doubt, one of two who survived of the original two million Israelites to leave Egypt.
He was the leader of the armies of Israel.
Joshua means Jehovah's Saviour, and He was an exact paralell of the ministry of the second coming of Jesus Christ going on today.
For the kingdom of heaven since John suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.
In the spiritual type today the sons of God are taking "Cannan's Land"

I'm sure you knew this was Joshua, not Jesus....
Why would you attempt to imply otherwise.....?

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotton Son, that WHOSOEVER believe in Him, should not parish but have ever lasting life.

End of story.

To say John 3:16 is true is correct, but to say it is the end of story.....this is an error.

Baptist doctrine preaches to only believe in Jesus....but they don't have a clue who or what Jesus is.
He is the Word of God made manifest....the whole Word of God, every Word in the Bible.
There is much more to the story of a christians walk than being justifed by faith.
Theres living a clean and holy sanctified life, and then being filled with the Baptism of the Holy Spirit of God.

This just gets you born into the kingdom of God as a little babe.
So that you can then begin to "see" or understand the spiritual meaning of the scriptures withholden from the carnal minds of men.
Then there is growing in grace and knowledge of the Lord, studying to show thyself approved, putting on the whole armour of God, the sword of the Spirit, the shield of faith, the helmet of salvatoin, ect...

You must grow up into the image of God, into the stature of a perfect man...all theses things and more are in the scriptures and are only made possible through the sacrifice of Jesus at the cross.
These things then being available to the christian, they are required, and these being a part of the Word of God....constitute a part of Jesus Christ Himself, because He is the Word.
Jesus come to unite with a bride in this day, and she must also be the Word by putting on the "wedding garmet"
His wife hath made herself ready....Rev. 19.
Do not attempt to say , all I have to do is believe in Jesus.
You cannot even call Jesus the Christ without the Spirit of God.

1 Corinthians 12:3 - Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

They the are led of the Spirit of God, they are called the sons of God.
There is much more to the story of becomeing a son of God in this day, than the denominations tell us, they don't want to be "controversial" because they might lose members.....
They're members might have to suffer in obediance to the Word to learn the charcacter of God. This might chase some of them away.....

What....? No one told you theses things....they are all in the scriptures...New Testement.
Because they receive not a love of the truth God will send them strong delusion, that they might believe a lie and be damned by it.
You must reach maturity as a son of God, and reach the place of approval unto adoption and the placing of sons....into authority in God's kingdom.

Romans 8:14
" For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. 15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. 16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: 17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together."

Eph. 1:4
"According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: 5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, 6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved. 7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace; 8 Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence; 9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself: 10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him: 11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will: 12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. 13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, 14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory. 15 Wherefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus, and love unto all the saints, 16 Cease not to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers; 17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him: 18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints, 19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power, 20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, 21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come: 22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church, 23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all."

TheVisitor,

I have read in a number of places that William Branham falsely
prophesied, what do you have to say about that?

What is your opinion of this bible quote (http://www.biblegateway.com/cgi-bin/bible?language=english&version=MSG&passage=1+John+4%3A1)? Do you feel it applies
to Branham? If so, what do you think that says about you?

What is your opinion of this? Sophia of Jesus Christ (http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/sjc.html)

TheVisitor,
I have read in a number of places that William Branham falsely
prophesied, what do you have to say about that?

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People unfamilar with the scriptures or those with "certain" reasons try to say this all the time....
Just run a search on the name, you'll find a few anti-Branham sites started by some so-called "ex-members".
The trouble with that is God doesn't have "ex-members", Jesus said.."who's not for me is against me", and the apostles said:"They went out from us, because they were not of us."
But I will explain this to you the best I can......evilpoet,
He made no "false prophecies".
There are many statements made on the tapes of over 1100 messages covering nearly 20 years, where as a man, he say's "I believe as a privite student of the Word", and he was wrong.....many many places.
The man had a seventh grade education. Him being wrong as a man, differs clearly from when He was under the anointing and says something as "thus saith the Lord".
Even John the Baptist who was under this same anointing in the Spirit of Elijah, said; "Is this Jesus the one or do we seek yet another",...... while he was in prison, awaiting his execution.
A prophet speaks for God, while under an anointing.....but is still a man as you or I and capable of mistakes.
God hides himself in such things from the wise and prudent to reveal it to babes such as willing to learn.



What is your opinion of this bible quote?
..........Don't Believe Everything You Hear
"My dear friends, don't believe everything you hear. Carefully weigh and examine what people tell you. Not everyone who talks about God comes from God. There are a lot of lying preachers loose in the world."

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Sounds like good advice to me although I wouldn't say it was a direct bible quote, it sounds paraphrased to me, but the general thought is correct.





Do you feel it applies
to Branham? If so, what do you think that says about you?

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No. I have throughly searched the scriptures to see if these things are true, and I will attest to the fact that Branham was a vindicated prophet of God, the one in Malichi 4:5-6, Rev. 10:7.
Long before anyone tried to pick through 1100 tape recorded messages attempting to find some kind of error, there was those with a reason to discredit Him as a prophet, just as they did Jesus......The religious rulers of today have crucified Jesus Christ again unto themselves the second time, and Branham stood for the true Word of God.
The real interpretation of the Word exposes Satan in the church and his scheme to set in the temple of God and to be worshiped as God, by all the people of the earth.
God through this mouthpiece brought judgement against the false denominations that claim the name of "christian" while teaching absolutly anti-christ doctrine.
They are the "gates to hell" Jesus said by revealation to Peter that could not stand against the true church.




What is your opinion of this? Sophia of Jesus Christ

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This is Gnostic doctrine.
The gnostics, as any religion have some truth mixed with error.
The baptists belive in justification, but can't see anything else....the methodists see that plus sanctification, and stop there.....ect....
Branham was a prophet. God revealed the meaning of the Word to him that was in the mind of God who wrote it.
He was thereby able to seperate the truth from error, this was the voice to the sign, the real purpose of his ministry, not the tens of thousands of miracles, or the divine disernment knowing the peoples hearts.....this was only God attracting the attention of the people for the "message" to follow.
If some of the Word and the true doctine of God that has now been revealed resemble some teachings of various religions it's no wonder because they all had some measure of truth, but in the days (Rev. 10:7) of the voice of the seventh angel ....the mystery of God is to be completed.
True is not by deffinition the "opposite of false". True represents a "whole or complete" idea or concept as opposed to a partial, or incomplete. The partial revelation of the word Man has had down through the ages is to be replaced in this day by the complete revelation of the Word.
These things that have been guessed at down through the ages, are made known because it is needed to make ready the bride to meet the bridegroom.
By teaching for doctrine, the commandments of men they make the word of God of none effect.
To have the desired effect then, you must have the "true sayings" of God.....this is the tree of life, the flesh and blood of the son of Man, who is now being revealed from heaven.
Branham only introduced Jesus Christ back to the world, He is here today, and being revealed from heaven as a revelation of the word to be lived out by the bride of christ, through a true five -fold ministry of prophets, apostles, evangelists, teachers and pastors......Jesus Christ is the Word of God not some creed or mis-interpretation of the scriptures. It will take this for the manifestation of the sons of God in this day.

I hope this helped answer your questions.....
TheVisitor

Yes it did, thank you for the reply TV. Before I jump out of this thread I would like to leave you with this bible quote. You know, just some food for thought. http://killerbutterfly.com/pics/smile.gif

"These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren."
-Proverbs 6:16-19 (KJV)

EvilPoet