Jesus is the ONLY [true] HOPE for this world!
And many will be deceived of the Devil to receive the 'Anti-Christ' as there 'Savour', and will be 'LOST' for all ETERNITY!! The signs of the times are fast approaching, and it could be hours, days, weeks, months, years, decades etc., but possibly in our life time! Jesus IS our ONLY HOPE FOR PEACE!!

It's sweet and tasty, and really good chocolate has chemicals in it that help your brain fend off the rainy-day blues.

Or ... marijuana is the only true hope of the world; this I would actually give some serious thought to. It's food, medicine, fiber for a host of uses, can be made into plastic, can be smoked or eaten for recreation. It makes fuel. It seems God gave us a wonder-plant, as such. But it's not bulletproof, and no matter how much you smoke, it won't make you leap tall buildings in a single bound.

What I'm after, Sir Loone, is what, aside from faith, do you base this on? I mean, Marxism could, technically save the world; on paper it works. We know differently from experience.

Can you demonstrate that Jesus is the only hope for the world?

I mean, to match faith, I might assert that really good fellatio will save the world. After all, who wants to get up five minutes after an orgasm to go out and kill someone?

thanx,
Tiassa :cool:

Loony Bin,

You say that Jesus is the only hope for this world, eh? What world would that be? Is that your six-by-eight foot world you've been incarcerated within?

The signs of the times are fast approaching, you say? Here's a cool little story to <i><b>dis</b></i>prove your exhaustively researched point.

My brother did some proselyting in Brazil a few years back. He met a woman that was 104 years old! He told her, basically, that if she would accept baptism, then she could be with Christ eternally. He also said that it was possible to see Christ in our lifetime. She looked up at him and said, translated of course, "Child. They've been telling me that since I was four years old. He's not coming back."

Besides, it's profoundly apparent that He accidentally came <i>back</i> to a different system of planets.

By the way, I don't want to add insult to injury, but when you rearrange Sir Loone, it also forms the words: sore loin. Despite existing medical conditions, this is not a <i>carte blanche</i> opportunity to spout inanities.<IMG SRC="images/icons/icon12.gif" HEIGHT=15 WIDTH=15 ALIGN=ABSCENTER alt="Wink">

prag

Originally posted by pragmathen
My brother did some proselyting in Brazil a few years back. He met a woman that was 104 years old! He told her, basically, that if she would accept baptism, then she could be with Christ eternally. He also said that it was possible to see Christ in our lifetime. She looked up at him and said, translated of course, "Child. They've been telling me that since I was four years old. He's not coming back."

Well, I guess that settles it once and for all, then.

What were we thinking?

I say, dear sir, that to answer another fellow in the same tone and manner that he proposed a certain thought would be to endear the words <i>to him</i>, rather than trying to mystify him with thoroughly disturbing thoughts to which he is not accustomed.

In short, tony1, your line of thinking (which naturally translates into written media) is consistently expressed in tones indicative of computers (which seems to be a 'blessing' bestowed on us non-Christians). Computers, you say? Why, yes. A computer will consistently return the same reply and intonation and timbre and pitch of a statement <i>regardless</i> of the input and <i>regardless</i> of the input<i>er</i>.

So, is tony1 intelligent? Of course. Self-centered? Who is not (including God)? Copious? Very detailed in his answers to various posters. So, what's the problem? Well, tony1 seems to be one-dimensional in the sense of his replies.

It's obvious that <b>Sir Loone</b> doesn't care for much discussion, whereas tony1 does. You want to discuss something into extreme detail (not that I think that is at all a bad thing), tony1's your man. But be prepared for one of three possibilites:
<ol>
<li>Responses that have probably been pieced together from some of his other posts.</li>
<li>Several scriptures strung together with brief explanations afterwards.</li>
<li>A one- or two-liner where he sums up your entire thought in a punfully entertaining rejoinder.</li>
</ol>

tony1 is the superego within us all. He is the one that frowns on those terrible non-Christian ids. The egos are the other Christians which really aren't Christians actually, according to tony1. When God granted tony1 his vision of impending doom and blessed him with an amazing ability to recall scripture verse, tony1 also took it upon himself to declare God's word through belittling tactics, obfuscation, and misdirection. Wait a sec, I guess that <i>does</i> make him a disciple of God.

Indeed, what was I thinking?

p.s. Hey, tony1, I'm trying to find out whether you've ventured out on that branch and posted a thread? Still rather stay on the ground?

Now, remember, if you reply to this, choose one of your three versions.

prag

Originally posted by pragmathen
Responses that have probably been pieced together from some of his other posts.
Surely you're smarter than that.
That just begs the question of where the other posts came from.
Several scriptures strung together with brief explanations afterwards.
I have to remember that I may be speaking to people who aren't necessarily aware of the point just because it is stated.
A one- or two-liner where he sums up your entire thought in a punfully entertaining rejoinder.
A bon mot, or a pun mot, if you wish.

tony1 also took it upon himself to declare God's word through belittling tactics, obfuscation, and misdirection.
I'm sorry you feel this way.
If you feel belittled, it may be because your point is also little.

Hey, tony1, I'm trying to find out whether you've ventured out on that branch and posted a thread? Still rather stay on the ground?
Not on this board.
Now, remember, if you reply to this, choose one of your three versions.
Or all three?
Nope, the verses are in another thread.

Originally posted by tiassa
It's sweet and tasty, and really good chocolate has chemicals in it that help your brain fend off the rainy-day blues.

Or ... marijuana is the only true hope of the world; this I would actually give some serious thought to. It's food, medicine, fiber for a host of uses, can be made into plastic, can be smoked or eaten for recreation. It makes fuel. It seems God gave us a wonder-plant, as such. But it's not bulletproof, and no matter how much you smoke, it won't make you leap tall buildings in a single bound.

What I'm after, Sir Loone, is what, aside from faith, do you base this on? I mean, Marxism could, technically save the world; on paper it works. We know differently from experience.

Can you demonstrate that Jesus is the only hope for the world?

I mean, to match faith, I might assert that really good fellatio will save the world. After all, who wants to get up five minutes after an orgasm to go out and kill someone?

thanx,
Tiassa :cool:
Tiassa, Jesus is the Son of God and creator of the universe and worlds unknown! He is the only 'true' hope for this world past, present and future, and the Bible is the 'inspired word of God' from GOD Himself, and He can not lie!

This I speak of is not of drugs and alcohol, or man made solutions, those will not do anything but destroy your life. Marxism is definitely not the answer! Nothing of Mankind, apart from GOD's intervention can save us from destroying ourselves, we ARE (human-race) ultimately DOOMED to self destruction on OUR OWN! Humanism is not the way, and only the Prince of Peace (Jesus 2cd coming) can bring in a lasting peace that will last forever, GOD is immortal and so are His Saints. But those that refuse His offer of peace within and without, in this life and forever will have to be judged, and there life reviewed, and destroyed in the Lake of Fire at the Great White thrown of Judgment in the end, so there be no more evil or sinners in the end. This world will pass away, not with the Great Flood of Noaa's time, but with FIRE next time! Jesus is our only hope of escaping the Wrath of Almighty GOD on the Earth! This world will be replaced by a new Heaven and a new Earth, it is written in the Holy word of GOD, the Bible. All you see now will be burned up, and pass away into Hell! Jesus is our only hope! Fire BURNS! ;)

i simply admire. Jesus was human and he revolted against idolotry, Why are we besmirching his memory with what is simply something he was against?

Jesus is the Son of God and creator of the universe and worlds unknown! He is the only 'true' hope for this world past, present and future, and the Bible is the 'inspired word of God' from GOD Himself, and He can not lie!
Look, I know it's your faith, but all you're doing is repeating yourself without ever addressing the issues that challenge the adoption of that faith. What you have written here I have been told by people both good and not, who believed in Christ. What you have written here is a cliche designed to avoid the issue. Check out Emerald's post on the definition of a cult.
This I speak of is not of drugs and alcohol, or man made solutions, those will not do anything but destroy your life.
I generally try not to remind people to learn how to handle their liquor or use their drugs responsibly. This is something you've figured out on your own, though, obviously. That is, if you're speaking from experience; after all, you're alive long enough to post. If you're not speaking from experience, I would invite you to go out and learn a little about the drugs of which you speak. But, otherwise, I think I take your point. Neither marijuana nor Guinness stout have threatened my immortal soul, though.
Marxism is definitely not the answer!
How do you know?
Nothing of Mankind, apart from GOD's intervention can save us from destroying ourselves, we ARE (human-race) ultimately DOOMED to self destruction on OUR OWN!
I generally agree that humanity is following a destructive path. But other than that, you're piling a big load with nothing to haul it.
Humanism is not the way, and only the Prince of Peace (Jesus 2cd coming) can bring in a lasting peace that will last forever, GOD is immortal and so are His Saints.
You know, if I write a book, and make assertions about the state of the Universe, I'm expected to be able to back those up. Strangely, Christians do not seem to apply that standard to the Bible. Given the things they find wrong with the idea of evolution, I wonder what would happen if Christians turned their critical eye on the Bible, instead of just citing it to glorify the god that they're afraid of pissing off. It's a moot point, though, since such wonderings are not conducive to one's relationship with God. It would upset God very much if we ever figured out what He was talking about.
But those that refuse His offer of peace within and without, in this life and forever will have to be judged, and there life reviewed, and destroyed in the Lake of Fire at the Great White thrown of Judgment in the end, so there be no more evil or sinners in the end.
And all because he loves us. If God, with is perfect knowledge and immutable will, cannot figure out that he's judging people for behaving as he created them, then we should reconsider what we call perfect. God's just upset because his experiment didn't turn out right.
This world will pass away, not with the Great Flood of Noaa's time, but with FIRE next time!
Well, I'll give you this. Whether an asteroid crashes or the sun explodes or a nuclear war fries us all, there will be lots of fire when the big show starts. But if God must descend from the heavens and put on a grandiose show at the end of time, it's purely an egotistical thing, and hints at a lack of self-esteem on God's part.
Jesus is our only hope of escaping the Wrath of Almighty GOD on the Earth!
Hallelujah! :rolleyes:

That's another cheap cliche designed to avoid serious issues.
This world will be replaced by a new Heaven and a new Earth, it is written in the Holy word of GOD, the Bible.
And why should we believe what is written in the Bible?

Because it is the Word of God.

According to whom?

According to the Bible.

So, in other words, it would appear that if you believe that, it's because you choose to believe the Bible. The only reason to believe the Bible, then, is because it says you must.
All you see now will be burned up, and pass away into Hell! Jesus is our only hope! Fire BURNS!
"Slogans! Get your slogan here! Real cheap, real easy. Get your cliche-slogans. Slogans!"

I still prefer hot dogs and beer at the baseball game.

Your inability to work outside cliches, sir, indicates that you do not have any credible argument to post. Keep trying, though. One of these days, you'll figure it out. ;)

thanx,
Tiassa :cool:

Originally posted by Sir. Loone
... and He can not lie ...

Are you implying that even GOD has something that it can't accomplish? How mighty is that?

Are you implying that even GOD has something that it can't accomplish? How mighty is that?
Exactly. God has ordered people to be killed, and killed as well, so why wouldn't he be able to lie? Not ranking anything...but killing seems to be more severe then lying. :p

Sir. Loone,
What are you trying to accomplish in this thread? It is not a 'new' argument to this religion forum.

Even if an idea X is eternally beneficial to everyone, stating it in a certain way will cause more people to ridicule it than receive it. This is one of those ways.

If you truely want to help people, this is not a very productive way to do it. On the otherhand, maybe we all CAN learn something new from this. So choose your statements wisely and recognize that we're all human beings. :m:

Sir. Loone: To Tiassa: "Jesus is the Son of God and creator of the universe and worlds unknown!"
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M*W: "...worlds unknown" says it all. We know which world we're in. Maybe Jesus is lost or took a wrong turn in the universe.
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Sir. Loone: "He is the only 'true' hope for this world past, present and future, and the Bible is the 'inspired word of God' from GOD Himself, and He can not lie!"
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M*W: But what about those shifty scribes that translated it all? They could lie, but even if they didn't, they may have succumbed to human error.
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Sir. Loone: This I speak of is not of drugs and alcohol, or man made solutions, those will not do anything but destroy your life.
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M*W: Not if you use them in moderation like the Catholic Church says. But what about those sneaky scribes, again? Weren't they performing "man made solutions" when they copied down the books of the bible? Beware! It's true!!! The Bible will destroy your life!!!
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Sir. Loone: "Marxism is definitely not the answer!"
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M*W: You can't deny that the Marx Brothers gave the human race some comedy.
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Sir. Loone: Nothing of Mankind, apart from GOD's intervention can save us from destroying ourselves, we ARE (human-race) ultimately DOOMED to self destruction on OUR OWN!
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M*W: What's so wrong with us destroying ourselves as we know us? Look where we've come from -- apelike humanoids to religious fanatics! Self-destruction is the only hope for mankind!
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Sir. Loone: "Humanism is not the way, and only the Prince of Peace (Jesus 2cd coming) can bring in a lasting peace that will last forever, GOD is immortal and so are His Saints."
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M*W: Humanism IS the way. God dwells within the human race, and humanity was never NOT saved, but we'll save a piece of it for Jesus when he gets back with the pizza.
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Sir. Loone: "But those that refuse His offer of peace within and without, in this life and forever will have to be judged, and there life reviewed, and destroyed in the Lake of Fire at the Great White thrown of Judgment in the end, so there be no more evil or sinners in the end."
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M*W: What are trying to say here Loony man? That Jesus will throw judgment on anyone who is not white? Sounds like you're playing the race card here.
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Sir. Loone: "This world will pass away, not with the Great Flood of Noaa's time, but with FIRE next time!"
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M*W: Maybe we should be building some really big fire trucks with infinitely long hoses hooked up to all our oceans.
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Sir. Loone: "Jesus is our only hope of escaping the Wrath of Almighty GOD on the Earth!"
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M*W: A minute ago you said it was fire, but now you're saying it's Jesus' wrath. Jesus never said anything about destroying us with fire OR wrath!
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Sir. Loone: "This world will be replaced by a new Heaven and a new Earth, it is written in the Holy word of GOD, the Bible. All you see now will be burned up, and pass away into Hell! Jesus is our only hope! Fire BURNS! ;)"
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M*W: This world is already being replaced by a "new heaven" and a new "Earth." It's called e-vo-lu-tion. What you call "being burned up" by fire, means that there will be a spiritual change, as in the "fire of the spirit" that will change the human race and help us to become altruistic. If the "fire in our Human Spirit" wasn't already working, we wouldn't be able to envision the wonderful changes to come -- the "fire" of God (electricity); the "fire" in the human physiological body changing the human race into an androgynous race of one color, one race and one spirit. We're already on our way toward the end of the "last day of creation" as we become Homo spiritus.

Medicine*Woman has spoken.

And why should we believe what is written in the Bible?

Because it is the Word of God.

According to whom?

According to the Bible.

So, in other words, it would appear that if you believe that, it's because you choose to believe the Bible. The only reason to believe the Bible, then, is because it says you must.

Das Buch

In the beginning Athelwulf created Heaven and Earth exactly as they are today. He created the first man and woman. He laid down the rules:

Thou shalt not worship any before Me. Any man who doth not worship My name shallt spend eternity in Antarctica. Any man who doth praise My name shallt spend eternity in My domain, Mars.

Athelwulf is the ONLY WAY! All must praise HIS NAME, lest you freeze ETERNALLY in the depths of ANTARCTICA! It is written in the HOLY WORD of ATHELWULF, das Buch!

. . .

So, using the same logic a gungho Christian applies to the Bible, what I have just written is just as valid as the Christian belief system. Therefore, all Christians, Jews, Muslims, etc. MUST worship My name, or else yer goin' to Antarctica!

If you ask me, it's blind faith. Some people are actually ignorant enough to follow a book whose only proof is itself.

Check out Emerald's post on the definition of a cult.

Where is the post of which you speak? Could you possibly link to it?

I mean, to match faith, I might assert that really good fellatio will save the world. After all, who wants to get up five minutes after an orgasm to go out and kill someone?

Amen! :D

By the way, I don't want to add insult to injury, but when you rearrange Sir Loone, it also forms the words: sore loin.

How very sad for Sir Loone. I wonder if he/she knows this?

Das BuchSo, using the same logic a gungho Christian applies to the Bible, what I have just written is just as valid as the Christian belief system. Therefore, all Christians, Jews, Muslims, etc. MUST worship My name, or else yer goin' to Antarctica!Although the Bible does speak of miracles, and eye witness accounts for these miracles. I believe this is what catches most people. These eye witness accounts are only written down, and could very well not be true. Outside the Bible I don't see many 'miracles' being performed today though...

You know something, you don't need faith in the bible for it to be a teaching tool, or even an amusing thing...

Ever read the bible? do it! read it! but don't take it seriously, read it like a peice of fiction: a bunch of short stories (that's what it is..) keep in mind how old the content is, how sloppy the translation could be, how it could have been changed... i think there are a million other ways the bible is fascinating.

I think, in a sense of storytelling, it's comparable to shakespeare... in modern literature/entertainment/storytelling, you can see remainants of shakespeare everywhere. As you can with the bible -- the types of morals taught are intelligent ideas, and of a philosophical nature! (i.e. david/golliath)

Same with Jesus... personally, i don't believe he was of any supernatural significance... however, you have to admire the things he did. The balls he had in something so uncertain...
And he said some intelligent stuff too -- Jesus was just as much a philosopher as plato himself, he just had his head in the clouds.

Mind you... we all know that Dave Matthews is really jesus anyway;)
just follow him when the world ends.


Cheers,
Maestro

(Edit: corrected spelling)

Umm people - this thread is from 3 years ago. Looney left us quite some time ago - one of the craziest fanatics we've ever had.

[QUOTE=Cris]Umm people - this thread is from 3 years ago. Looney left us quite some time ago - one of the craziest fanatics we've ever had.
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M*W: Let sleeping dogs lie! He has proved nada.

Umm people - this thread is from 3 years ago. Looney left us quite some time ago - one of the craziest fanatics we've ever had.

Oh!! I dind't look at the date. For a minute there I was freaking out!!. :o

Godless.

This I speak of is not of ..I always like it when religous speak begins to blend with sales-pitch.

This I speak of is not only an elixir for yer feet’s but will mend any and all aliments. Why a simple dab of Jesus on yer rump well get cha goin . . .!! Go-n bald my friend? Why a smigen of Jesus on the roots will fix em! Drink it, eat it, rub it, love it - just a splash will fix ya in a flash. Can you give me a "Jay" . . . . .

:D

Cris: Umm people - this thread is from 3 years ago. Looney left us quite some time ago - one of the craziest fanatics we've ever had.
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M*W: Cris, do you mean there is still hope for the Religion forum? I'm curious who opened Sir.Loone back up?

Apeitheo: was the one who reopened this thread.

Apeitheo: was the one who reopened this thread.
Sorry :o

Apeitheo: Sorry :o
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M*W: You are forgiven, my child. Go in peace to love and serve Medicine*Woman... and, hey, by the way, welcome to sciforums!!!

Wow, tiassa has made 9997 posts! (as for now)

Jesus IS our ONLY HOPE FOR PEACE!!

I am glad you believe that now go out and convince your fellow christians to stop killing in Jesus name...I am seriously...the dude was such a pacifist!!

Maybe he means there can only be peace if everyone worships Jesus?

You mean like in Belfast?

Where's Belfast? Could ya tell the story?

"This I speak of is not of drugs and alcohol, or man made solutions, those will not do anything but destroy your life. "
Wrong, drugs ARE the answer, but it depends which one.

Sir. Loone says, "Jesus is Lord! --- Jesus IS our ONLY HOPE FOR PEACE!!"

Jesus has shown mankind the way to have PEACE in his testimony of love, but Saul/St.Paul testimony was and is the way to confussion and division. Saul/St.Paul's Mystical Jesus is the Beast, the great deceiver.

Yes, 'Our LORD' is JESUS the Alpha and Omega, the LORD GOD ALMIGHTY, HIM that sitteth upon the throne, and 'His Christ' is the Lamb that came and took the book out of the right hand of HIM that sat upon the throne.

YET TO BE ---> "The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of 'Our LORD', and 'His Christ'; and he shall reign for ever and ever." - (Rev. 11:15)

Peace be with you, Paul

Battig,

Your baseless rambling assertions are beginiing to look a lot like the nutty ramblings of Sir Loone. I guess you couldn't resist the urge to preach either.

battig, I posted this on a thread started by me.
so my apologys to James R, for spaming.
but it contradicts, your all loving jesus belief.

Jesus says that most people will go to hell. matt 7:13-14

Cities that neither "receive" the disciples nor "hear" their words will be destroyed by God. It will be worse for them than for Sodom and Gomorrah. And you know what God supposedly did to those poor folks (see Gen.19:24). matt 10:14-15

"Whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven." matt 10:33

Jesus condemns entire cities to dreadful deaths and to the eternal torment of hell because they didn't care for his preaching. matt 11:20-24

Jesus becomes angry at those who said that he had "an unclean spirit," so he announces the unforgivable sin: "blasphemy against the Holy Ghost." mark 3:29

Any city that doesn't "receive" the followers of Jesus will be destroyed in a manner even more savage than that of Sodom and Gomorrah. mark 6:11

Jesus initially refuses to cast out a devil from a Syrophoenician woman's daughter, calling the woman a "dog". After much pleading, he finally agrees to cast out the devil. mark 7:25-29

"The wrath of God" is on all unbelievers.romans 1:18

With his usual intolerance, Paul condemns homosexuals (including lesbians). This is the only clear reference to lesbians in the Bible. roman 1:26-28

so who's all love then, not jesus.

you need to read your bible and not just excerpts