In Republican circles, this could constitute a form of sacrilege.

Speaking on Larry King Live last night, first daughter Jenna Bush, who appeared alongside first lady Laura Bush, confessed that she's not sure if she'll vote for the presumptive Republican nominee for president, Sen. John McCain, and even left open the possibility that she'd support either Sen. Barack Obama or Sen. Hillary Clinton.

KING: Do you have a favorite between the two, the two Democrats?

LAURA BUSH: My favorite is the Republican.

KING (pointing to Jenna): Yours too, I would imagine.

JENNA BUSH: I don't know.

KING: A-ha! Are you open to...

JENNA BUSH: Yeah, of course. I mean, who isn't open to learning about the candidates and I'm sure that everybody's like that.

This, of course, causes us to wonder one thing: Could Jenna Bush and Patti Davis become fast friends? (Davis, you'll recall, was the liberal daughter of Ronald and Nancy Reagan who became famous for dissenting from her family's politics

Oh Snap! now it all makes sense! I was wondering why she would want to be a teacher in a inner city black school. Or why in the heck did she appear on Ellen, which I'm sure her mother objected to. Or the story of her smoking weed with Ashton Kutcher. This would rock the political world if this turns out to be the case.

Who cares? Jenna gets an inkling of a clue, and we are supposed to get excited about that?

Oh Snap! now it all makes sense! I was wondering why she would want to be a teacher in a inner city black school. Or why in the heck did she appear on Ellen, which I'm sure her mother objected to. Or the story of her smoking weed with Ashton Kutcher. This would rock the political world if this turns out to be the case.

Why would it rock any world? It's still a free country. The Bushs are known to not really like McCain, anyway.

As if inner city kids need an education on getting high and homosexuallity, from the offspring of an "idiot",you act like this is some kind of victory for the Dems.

Whatever.

Why would it rock any world? It's still a free country. The Bushs are known to not really like McCain, anyway.

As if inner city kids need an education on getting high and homosexuallity, from the offspring of an "idiot",you act like this is some kind of victory for the Dems.

Whatever.

Chill dude - he was taking the piss

Chill dude - he was taking the piss

Oh yeah....Wha?:shrug:


Ganeymede, I was a jerk and I'm sorry.

tee hee:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viVAAy_qkx0

Who cares? Jenna gets an inkling of a clue, and we are supposed to get excited about that?

I think it's funny as hell. It's going to be interesting to see how the conservatives will brand her a traitor. And she would be a powerful spokeswoman for the Liberal agenda. More people will be inclined to join the progressive cause If they observe G.W's daughter doing the same.

oh yeah. it is earth shattering.

Why would it rock any world?

Because her father is the worlds most hated leader. And that would be a smack in the face to G.W, to have one of his daughters fight against his cause. It would be interesting to see if you all treat Jenna the way you treat Ron Reagan Jr. With hate and utter contempt.



As if inner city kids need an education on getting high and homosexuallity, from the offspring of an "idiot",you act like this is some kind of victory for the Dems.

Whatever.

It is a victory, because it causes people like you irritation.

And she would be a powerful spokeswoman for the Liberal agenda. More people will be inclined to join the progressive cause If they observe G.W's daughter doing the same..

Maybe you'd like to clear up for everyone just what that "Liberal Agenda" and "progressive cause" is.:shrug:

You know, for the "people like me".

This is not surprising,Jenna is young,she is of the young generation.Sure silly conservatives will criticize her,ridicule her and accuse her for betraying her fathers party if she chooses Clinton or Obama,however that is ridiculous.

Ah, this is ridiculous. Are any of you aware of the fact that most conservatives can't stand McCain? Does anybody's memory extend beyond last year? McCain has never been too loved by the American right. I don't know too many conservative people who don't just want to press the reset button on the whole nomination process.

Up 'till two years ago all we heard about was how McCain was the Republican Democrats liked most. But now that he's the Republican nominee you see every leftie American joining the "McCain's an evil Republican" marching band.

Yawwwn. Politics as usual. Let's face it, there isn't a single Democrat who right-wing Americans wouldn't brand a commie-pinko liberal and a single Republican who Democrats wouldn't brand a right-wing Neo-Con wako.

Lemme guess: "McCain's a party cog... he's corrupt... he's a typical beltway politician... he's... he's..." He's--well--about the same as any politician in Washington. Vote white... vote black... vote female. I'll make a very accurate prediction: no matter who wins, we'll stay in Iraq, your taxes will go up, the deficit will grow, you won't get universal healthcare, and you still hear never-ending tales about how threatened America is by terrorism.

~String

Couldn't have said it better myself String. I saw people cry at CPAC when Romney dropped out, and saw them boo McCain minutes later.

Ah, this is ridiculous. Are any of you aware of the fact that most conservatives can't stand McCain? Does anybody's memory extend beyond last year? Why would that matter? Are we supposed to take seriously the opinions of the people who gave us W&Co, as information about the ideology and probable behaviors of a Presidential candidate ?
Yawwwn. Politics as usual. Let's face it, there isn't a single Democrat who right-wing Americans wouldn't brand a commie-pinko liberal and a single Republican who Democrats wouldn't brand a right-wing Neo-Con wako. And there is no reality - it's all just equivalent opinions and everyone's got one ?

my whole reason for not trusting mccain is simple. how can i trust someone who is pandering to the same people who helped dubya slander him as a draft dodger in 2000. i can't. which sucks cause i like some things about mccain though none of them have to do with his political beliefs

Ah, this is ridiculous. Are any of you aware of the fact that most conservatives can't stand McCain? Does anybody's memory extend beyond last year?
Why would that matter?

I want to argue that point with you but the nihilist in me says, you're right, why does it matter. But, I sense that, the point of your questions wasn't meant to express the pointlessness of it all.

I guess it should matter in the fact that McCain, no matter what his flaws or your opinion(s) of his flaws, is not a party cog, is not a typical Republican, has been branded a RINO for years and is only "acting" the good Republican to court the right-wing vote to get elected.

McCain is a centrist (from the American perspective, obviously not from yours). Being a centrist doesn't mean that he isn't corrupted by everything that is Washington. Nor does it mean that he's a good guy. It simply means that he has his own ideas and is known for bucking the Republican party platform. All his kowtowing to right-wing ideology is nothing more than a ruse to get elected.

The odd thing is, I can't blame him for doing so. I mean, all he wants is to be president! What importance is truth, honesty and transparency in such an endeavor?

Are we supposed to take seriously the opinions of the people who gave us W&Co, as information about the ideology and probable behaviors of a Presidential candidate ?

No. Absolutely not. You'd swing from "highly intelligent" in my book to "certifiable idiot" if you did. But, ahhh... you shouldn't really take seriously anything that comes from anybody in electoral politics.

And there is no reality - it's all just equivalent opinions and everyone's got one ?

Yes and no.

Yes, in that everybody is right about what they think about the opposite party. No, in that they are wrong about their own party. Both are corrupt nonsensical entities that have little or no concern for you or me.

Also, "no" again, in that there is some truth out there, it's just that once jobs are dependent upon a particular ideology, truth and honesty fall by the wayside. As I pointed out to a friend earlier, bellies always trump hearts.

~String

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article3761058.ece

It simply means that he has his own ideas and is known for bucking the Republican party platform. All his kowtowing to right-wing ideology is nothing more than a ruse to get elected. But from my point of view, whether his true ideology as revealed in his record is official Republican Party platform is not very important. His kowtowing, on the other hand, predicts his behavior in office - especially in areas he knows little about, such as tax cuts and Constitutional matters and political history and law enforcement and - -

Not much of the bad behavior of W&Co, or its originating Reagan admin, was Party platform. McCain is well-tied in to Reagan's heirs in Washington. He will behave as he has in the past, would be the best guess.
Yes, in that everybody is right about what they think about the opposite party. No, in that they are wrong about their own party. Both are corrupt nonsensical entities that have little or no concern for you or me. That was also true in 2000, and 2004. Nevertheless, the differences in the consequences of electing one candidate rather than another were dramatic - and predictable from their records, as well as their words.
McCain is a centrist (from the American perspective, obviously not from yours) The American center as determined by polls on specific issues over many years is Left and Libertarian of every candidate running. Last year the closest candidates to the average American in those "what is your position" surveys, a couple of which we saw on this forum, were Kucinich and Paul. McCain is a long way from the American center, both Authoritarian and Right of what most Americans find reasonable.

Again, that's not directly important.

What's more important is, just to point to one example recently bobbed to the surface, his record on this kind of issue: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article3761058.ece

I recall very well McCain's response to this. U.S. Senator and Republican presidential candidate John McCain, R-Ariz., says there isn't much America can do about Iran's decision to take British military personnel into custody this morning.

But he says there is something the British can do.

During an interview with WLS Radio in Chicago Friday, McCain said Britain should threaten "very decisive action" for what he calls a gross violation of international law by the Iranians. And he says the United States can only provide moral support. And at the same time - during the incident - he was taking his famous stroll in Baghdad: MCCAIN: General Petraeus goes out there almost every day in an unarmed Humvee. I think you ought to catch up. You see, you are giving the old line of three months ago. I understand it. We certainly don't get it through the filter of some of the media.

I don't think even Hillary, let alone Barack, has said anything quite that bizarre. So there are differences between the candidates in their connection to simple, factual reality when they talk. Does that count for something ?

I always thought that conservatives lacked youth. Whoops, there goes another one.

I gotta agree with string,most ULTRA-CONS (conservatives)cannot stand Mccain,he is an embarassment to the Republican party in there eyes,way to liberal,however this is the new generation and Mccain does know he has to put aside that old republican conservative style of politics because the new generation and those screaming CHANGE will not tolerate it.Its why he is denouncing the ad the ULTRA-CONS in N.C put up regarding Reverend Wright and his supposed slandering of America.

HOWEVER HE IS STILL A DAMN REPUBLICAN.

LOL

I think it's funny as hell. It's going to be interesting to see how the conservatives will brand her a traitor. And she would be a powerful spokeswoman for the Liberal agenda. More people will be inclined to join the progressive cause If they observe G.W's daughter doing the same.

Perhaps, but apparently the names of Zell Miller, Joe Lieberman (at least on the war), to name a few have been forgotten by the progresssive cause. Aren't they all child sex offenders now, because they do not fall in lockstep with the rest of the soldiers of progressive passion? But, of course, a progressive would never denigrade the opposition, especially those who originate from within. It would never happen. Yeah right!!

Terms like traitor, fascist, demigogue only apply to right wing extremists.

Jenna Bush is who is she a child of a progressive sympathizer: her daddy.

Chew on that fat for awhile and see if you could ever figure it out.

Spare us all the "progressive traditional" response (more fat for intellectual progressive to chew on) or do you admit the deliberate attempt to decieve the people of reality by the concerned caring progressive?

Naturally, just the ranting and ravings by a foaming at the mouth faux intellectual rabid right winger. Right?

Ah, this is ridiculous. Are any of you aware of the fact that most conservatives can't stand McCain? Does anybody's memory extend beyond last year? McCain has never been too loved by the American right. I don't know too many conservative people who don't just want to press the reset button on the whole nomination process.

Up 'till two years ago all we heard about was how McCain was the Republican Democrats liked most. But now that he's the Republican nominee you see every leftie American joining the "McCain's an evil Republican" marching band.

Yawwwn. Politics as usual. Let's face it, there isn't a single Democrat who right-wing Americans wouldn't brand a commie-pinko liberal and a single Republican who Democrats wouldn't brand a right-wing Neo-Con wako.

Lemme guess: "McCain's a party cog... he's corrupt... he's a typical beltway politician... he's... he's..." He's--well--about the same as any politician in Washington. Vote white... vote black... vote female. I'll make a very accurate prediction: no matter who wins, we'll stay in Iraq, your taxes will go up, the deficit will grow, you won't get universal healthcare, and you still hear never-ending tales about how threatened America is by terrorism.

~String

By this you believe we should? Just asking, I am not fully sure of your position on this issue.

That said, you are right. We are not leaving Iraq, taxes will go up allowing the deficit to grow. Terrorism is a threat if most believe it not to be, why is that?