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I am currently watching a black and white documentary (on SBS) on the ending of world war 2 and the occupation of Japan. Its fascinating but there is one quite insulting omission from the documentary. It keeps stating as fact that all the troops occupying Japan were American but this is wrong. I know this because that is what killed my grandfather, radiation sickness from his time in the occupation forces.

Also found it interesting that Australia was considered more important than Candida, France ect

Has anyone else watched his?

In case the link didnt work this is what it said

Close Japan in Ruins
Part 1 - Tokyo: The Day the War Ended
1.30pm - 2.29pm SBS
Friday 25 January 2008
The day after the Second World War ended, nine million Japanese were homeless, and three million had been killed in the war, including 1.3 million civilians who died in the massive American bombing campaign. Through a series of flashbacks, this documentary recalls the war years beginning with the Japanese invasion of China in 1931, through to the surrender ceremony in the Bay of Tokyo on board the USS Missouri on September 2, 1945.

Genre: Documentary
Country: France
Rating: PG
Duration: 60 mins
Closed Captions
Widescreen
Repeat

I'm not sure about your documentary, but I for one learned of BOCF occupation of Japan Back in grade school, in History Class.

The Americans made up the largest contingent, but there were also troops from India, England, and New Zealand.

2 of my friends Uncles also died from cancer, and they were stationed in Japan, around Nagasaki during the occupation.

My condolences on your Pater.

it happened a LONG time ago, when i was 3. I wouldnt have brought it up but for my irritation about this documentry ignoring everyone but the Americans involved in the occupation

I dont know what BOCF means?

it happened a LONG time ago, when i was 3. I wouldnt have brought it up but for my irritation about this documentry ignoring everyone but the Americans involved in the occupation

I dont know what BOCF means?
check this:
http://www.awm.gov.au/atwar/bcof.htm

thank you for posting that. He served in Hiroshima

thank you for posting that. He served in Hiroshimacheck with vet groups & anti-nuke orgs, he may have been a guinea pig to see what long term exposure to radiation does, remember, this was before doctors/scientists/politicians finally understood the Nuremberg rules (some still don't), Tuskegee long-term syphilis experiment was not an exception

your family may want to sue the US/OZ governments

no he wasnt involved in that. He was in the body desposale unit and he only served in asia as far as i know (not really a topic i talk about with mum or nan). When he was dying mum spent ages fighting the federal goverement to award him a injured servicemens benifits and it wasnt until he died that Nan got what she deserved. Now she has a gold card and war widows pention.

To the best of my knowlage (and im sure mum would have said something if he was) he never served in womara during the UK nuke program.

1.3 million civilians were killed by american bombs?

That's a BIG number.

I wonder what the body count across the whole allied forces reached for civilians killed in bombings? Everyone goes on about "6 million jews" but it would be interesting to see how those supposed 6 million compare to the amount the allies killed with bombs.

1.3 million civilians were killed by american bombs?

That's a BIG number.

I wonder what the body count across the whole allied forces reached for civilians killed in bombings? Everyone goes on about "6 million jews" but it would be interesting to see how those supposed 6 million compare to the amount the allies killed with bombs.

My Uncle was a Lancaster pilot in WWII and dumped bombs all over Europe in the dark. It didn't bug him one bit.

1.3 million civilians were killed by american bombs?

That's a BIG number.

I wonder what the body count across the whole allied forces reached for civilians killed in bombings? Everyone goes on about "6 million jews" but it would be interesting to see how those supposed 6 million compare to the amount the allies killed with bombs.


AXIS TOTAL 6,582,000, Military.... 1,686,000, Civilian.... 8,268,000, Total

ALLIED TOTAL 14,276,800, Military... 25,686,900, Civilian... 39,963,700, Total

That means for every 1, Axis soldier killed the Allies suffered 2.1 KIA

That means for ever 1 Axis Civilian the Allies suffered 15.2 Civilians Killed

That means across the board the Allies lost 4.8 lives for every 1 loss of the Axis.

Yes the Axis were so good about not killing civilians, 15 of our civilians died for every 1 Axis Civilian.

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AXIS TOTAL 6,582,000, Military.... 1,686,000, Civilian.... 8,268,000, Total

ALLIED TOTAL 14,276,800, Military... 25,686,900, Civilian... 39,963,700, Total

That means for every 1, Axis soldier killed the Allies suffered 2.1 KIA

That means for ever 1 Axis Civilian the Allies suffered 15.2 Civilians Killed

That means across the board the Allies lost 4.8 lives for every 1 loss of the Axis.

Yes the Axis were so good about not killing civilians, 15 of our civilians died for every 1 Axis Civilian.That's not the way I would interpret those statistics. The Axis did more bombing than the Allies. For every hundred Axis soldiers killed by Allied bombs, 25 Axis civilians were killed. For every hundred Allied soldiers killed by Axis bombs, 180 Allied civilians were killed. The Axis pilots were seven times as inaccurate (or sloppy or evil) with their targeting as Allied pilots, not fifteen times as inaccurate (or sloppy or evil).

It's still bad, but I think that's more meaningful statistical reduction.

That's not the way I would interpret those statistics. The Axis did more bombing than the Allies. For every hundred Axis soldiers killed by Allied bombs, 25 Axis civilians were killed. For every hundred Allied soldiers killed by Axis bombs, 180 Allied civilians were killed. The Axis pilots were seven times as inaccurate (or sloppy or evil) with their targeting as Allied pilots, not fifteen times as inaccurate (or sloppy or evil).

It's still bad, but I think that's more meaningful statistical reduction.

Really, now prove it.

Let see how well you can spin the numbers.

The fact is that the Allies took affermative actions to limit the attacks on civilians.

The vast majority of civilians killed by the Axis forces were in deliberant targeting and mass executions of civilian,

China,

The Three Alls Policy[1] (Japanese: 三光作戦, Sankō Sakusen; Chinese: 三光政策; pinyin: Sānguāng Zhèngcè) was a Japanese scorched earth policy adopted in China during World War II, the three alls being: "Kill All", "Burn All" and "Loot All". In Japanese documents, the policy was originally referred to as "The Burn to Ash Strategy" (燼滅作戦, Jinmetsu Sakusen ).

The Nanking Massacre, commonly known as the Rape of Nanking, was an infamous genocidal war crime committed by the Japanese military in Nanjing

http://www.ushmm.org/education/resource/poles/poles.pdf

In Gunnar Heinsohn's Lexikon der Völkermorde, the following figures are mentioned:

Nazi Occupation

- Ca. 2.5 million Poles deported for forced labor, which probably caused the majority of Polish victims of the German occupation;

- ca. 900,000 Poles expelled from their land to make room for German settlers, "countless victims" during this process;

- ca. 860,000 Poles taken to prisons or concentration camps, where many of them died;

- "umpteen thousands" killed in reprisal actions for partisan attacks;

- many people shot so that their children could be "germanized";

- ca. 150,000 civilians killed during the repression of the Warsaw Revolt in 1944;

- about 2.4 - 2.7 million non-Jewish victims in total (a figure somewhat higher than the one mentioned on the USHMM site, probably based on postwar estimates superseded by more recent research).

Heinsohn's sources:

S. Datner, J. Gumkowski and K. Leszczynski, Genocide 1939-1945: War Crimes in Poland, 1962 Warszawa & Poznan: Wydawnictwo Zadochnie

M. Broszat, Nationalsozialistische Polenpolitik 1939-1945, 1965 Frankfurt am Main: Fischer

Central Commission for the Investigation of German Crimes in Poland (1982), German Crimes in Poland (1946/47), New York: Howard Fertig

W. Bartoszewski, "Polen und Juden in der deutschen Besatzungszeit", in: C. Kleßmann (editor) September 1939, Krieg, Besatzung, Widerstand in Polen, 1989 Göttingen: Vandenhoeck & Ruprecht, pages 139-155

C. Madajczyk, Die Okkupationspolitik Nazideutschlands in Polen 1939-1945, 1987 Berlin: Akademie Verlag

F. Golczewski, “Polen”, in: W. Benz (editor), Dimensionen des Völkermords. Die Zahl der jüdischen Opfer des Nationalsozialismus, 1991 Munich: Oldenbourg, pages 411-497

3 to 5 million other victims of the German Holocaust.

The Holocaust - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Since 1945, the most commonly cited figure for the total number of Jews killed .... Overall, about 6 million of the 9 to 11 million victims of the Holocaust ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust

Yes, civilians deliberately targeted because of Japanese and German, political policy.

Because they were in the way of the greater good of the German People, and their need of Lebensraum.

Lebensraum - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
In Hitler's book Mein Kampf, he detailed his belief that the German people needed Lebensraum ("living space", i.e. land and raw materials), ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebensraum

And Japans Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere

Japan prospered the rest of Asia became Japans slave's.

1.3 million civilians were killed by american bombs?

That's a BIG number.

I wonder what the body count across the whole allied forces reached for civilians killed in bombings? Everyone goes on about "6 million jews" but it would be interesting to see how those supposed 6 million compare to the amount the allies killed with bombs.

If it were not for Hitler and Tojo ot would have been ZERO. Something to think about and LEARN from.

If it were not for Hitler and Tojo ot would have been ZERO. Something to think about and LEARN from.

I think you meant "if it weren't for bombs", actually. A world war was kind of inevitable, if not in 1939, then at some point further until the development of nuclear weapons.