People don't believe me when I say there is no difference between the candidates. It is just one big happy family:

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5i8pk8HGlTrOdiqrYNQ5IaY5I2P8QD8VL3JSG0

"Clinton, who is of French-Canadian descent on her mother's side, is also a distant cousin of singers Madonna, Celine Dion and Alanis Morissette. Obama, the son of a white woman from Kansas and a black man from Kenya, can call six U.S. presidents, including George W. Bush, his cousins. McCain is a sixth cousin of first lady Laura Bush."

Politicans are one big happy family of con artists that screw the public and are only looking out for themselves. :mad: :(

a game called democracy, very nicely shaped lie.

PLEASE - I've read websites were the author did a search and found he was related to many presidents and many famous people. I think we're all much more closely related than we think we are.

Also, democracy is not a lie. It's a vote by the people for a person. Now, what IS a lie is most peoples idea about consciousness. Actually, for most of their lives, people are very much not aware of what is happening around them and that most of it is illusion. Hence, it's easy for politicians to herd together enough autonomons into a cluster of votes and get their sorry arses elected.

the author did a search and found he was related to many presidents and many famous people. I think we're all much more closely related than we think we are.


Of course I was just having fun, but 2 things to be considered:

1. In America where most people's ancestors came from a relative small geographical area in a short period of time, there is a better chance to be related in the family tree, than other places.

2. Figuratively speaking, the leaders are coming from the same class, elite thus they are related in s sense that they have the common interest, which is usually against the voters' interest.

Democracy in the US is a farce...

Also if Hillary wins, then the country's leadership has been in the hands of 2 families for 2 decades, with a possibility of 8 more years. Now that IS democracy!!! :)

People don't believe me when I say there is no difference between the candidates. It is just one big happy family:

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5i8pk8HGlTrOdiqrYNQ5IaY5I2P8QD8VL3JSG0

"Clinton, who is of French-Canadian descent on her mother's side, is also a distant cousin of singers Madonna, Celine Dion and Alanis Morissette. Obama, the son of a white woman from Kansas and a black man from Kenya, can call six U.S. presidents, including George W. Bush, his cousins. McCain is a sixth cousin of first lady Laura Bush."
And if we look back at the last few decades the influence of two families is enormous. The Clintons and then the Bushes including when they were behind Reagan.

I don't know why people think the US is a democracy. Thanks for adding to the information about the inbreeding.

Has Clinton repudiated the separatist rhetoric of her relatives in Quebec ?

I wouldn't be surprised if half the black people in the country were related to about ten old money white families from the political elite of the eastern US.

I wish Al Gore would have run. Why didn't he? Obama could have been his #2.

Has Clinton repudiated the separatist rhetoric of her relatives in Quebec ? How do you know her relatives are separatists? Is it simply because they are Quebequois?

I wouldn't be surprised if half the black people in the country were related to about ten old money white families from the political elite of the eastern US. Is this meant to be some kind of reductio ad absurdum? aimed at?
You do realize who raped the slaves, right? And where those white people, for the most part lived? yes?

But I found your post so strange that perhaps I missed the intention: farce or something.

People don't believe me when I say there is no difference between the candidates. It is just one big happy family:

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5i8pk8HGlTrOdiqrYNQ5IaY5I2P8QD8VL3JSG0

"Clinton, who is of French-Canadian descent on her mother's side, is also a distant cousin of singers Madonna, Celine Dion and Alanis Morissette. Obama, the son of a white woman from Kansas and a black man from Kenya, can call six U.S. presidents, including George W. Bush, his cousins. McCain is a sixth cousin of first lady Laura Bush."

thats not good for mccain that means he has 2 of are worst pres in his family tree

US democracy is not perfect, it is in fact inferior to several other countries government system, but it should be noted US democracy and levels of personal freedoms are still far above average in comparison to the rest of the world, that there are some people that dream of their government being only as bad as the USA.

Second of all it does not matter who is related to who we are all individuals that make are own decisions, just ask Hitler's sister.

US democracy is not perfect, it is in fact inferior to several other countries government system, but it should be noted US democracy and levels of personal freedoms are still far above average in comparison to the rest of the world, that there are some people that dream of their government being only as bad as the USA.

Second of all it does not matter who is related to who we are all individuals that make are own decisions, just ask Hitler's sister.
Yes, there is a good deal of personal freedom, but I don't think it qualifies as a democracy. We laugh when dicatators have 'elections' where they are the only candidate and they get 97% of the vote. But here we a have a system where, essentially and practically speaking, corporations approve a very limited number of candidates in two parties. These candidates are the only ones who stand a chance.

Choosing between selected candidates is not real choice.
Just as choosing Nike over Addidas should not be confused with profound notions of freedom.
And more and more it is.

Yes, there is a good deal of personal freedom, but I don't think it qualifies as a democracy. We laugh when dicatators have 'elections' where they are the only candidate and they get 97% of the vote. But here we a have a system where, essentially and practically speaking, corporations approve a very limited number of candidates in two parties. These candidates are the only ones who stand a chance.

And you think the dictators are better or equal to the corrupt government we presently have?

Choosing between selected candidates is not real choice.
Just as choosing Nike over Addidas should not be confused with profound notions of freedom.
And more and more it is.

I was not saying it was a choice, I was saying it was better then what most others got. Now you can either talk about how we suck or you can talk about how we can change it, or you can rally the people around how much we have improved and how great we are and how "little" more we need and here how we will do it... and actually get some changes done! Now one of the changes not needed is questioning candidates because they are 9th removed cousins to their political competitor, that irrelevant, I worry more about them being alien dupplergangers then their being a conspiracy controlled by relation.

Six degrees of separation:

Six degrees of separation refers to the idea that, if a person is one step away from each person he or she knows and two steps away from each person who is known by one of the people he or she knows, then everyone is an average of six "steps" away from each person on Earth.

(Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_degrees_of_separation))

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Six_degrees_of_separation.png/250px-Six_degrees_of_separation.png (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/94/Six_degrees_of_separation.png)

Theoretically, I'm only six or so degrees removed from Obama, Clinton, Bush, McCain ....

Almost everyone who had an ancestor in the "New England" states around 1850 will be George Bush's cousin via common ancestors living in New England around 1650. You will also be my cousin. I am Bush's distant cousin in about five different ways.

I and Bush might be cousins via post 1600 common ancestors with one third of the people living in the USA. New Englanders moved to the Midwest and the West. They did not move to the South until recently like the Bush's.

But I found your post so strange that perhaps I missed the intention: farce or something. Yeah, sorry about that. I'm just looking at media coverage that is bracing Obama about Louis Farrakhan while McCain sucks up to the likes of Hagee and plays games with the campaign financing that would earn a visit from the police if Spitzer still had his old job.

We've got Obama the secret Muslim, Obama the secret Radical Black Christian, Obama the liar about his grandma, Obam the Absolver of White Guilt, Obama the Alienator of Older White Women (aren't they supposed to be the most guilt-ridden whites?) - all at the same time, in the same heads talking and otherwise.

This is just surreal. If I didn't know the Rove (and increasingly Clinton) style of smear I'd think I was looking as some kind of psychological meltdown.

The only Obama criticism with any weight on it so far is the lack of experience - and the experience shown by the other two is negative in its implications.

McCain is a doofus, a neo-con screwup, somebody who celebrates the success of a chaotic and crippling military operation against people he can't identify that has achieved none of its goals except the billion dollar bribing of the enemy to quit attacking for a few months

(and since when is it a sign of success to bribe an enemy to get them to slack off ? Historically speaking, the side paying the tribute is normally said to have lost, no? )

Hillary has been faced with a few gut-check political situations, involving difficulty and courage, and been rolled like a box turtle every time, meanwhile her slim executive record is one of consecutive failures unless you count a flood of Mexican economic refugees from NAFTA as success.

Is this the fantasy pool our "news" media is going to mudwrestle in for the next six months ?

I am too lazy to look it up but out of the 43 presidents I guess at least half were quite closely related. Which means that Americans are either inbreed or the leadership comes from a small group of elites....

Oh hell, I was right:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_Presidents_by_genealogical_r elationship

People don't believe me when I say there is no difference between the candidates. It is just one big happy family:

"Clinton, who is of French-Canadian descent on her mother's side, is also a distant cousin of singers Madonna, Celine Dion and Alanis Morissette. Obama, the son of a white woman from Kansas and a black man from Kenya, can call six U.S. presidents, including George W. Bush, his cousins. McCain is a sixth cousin of first lady Laura Bush."

While this is an interesting observation; we're all cousins to some extent or another. :)