Sharon praises army strike against Hamas as success
Tue Oct 8, 8:02 AM ET
By IBRAHIM BARZAK, Associated Press Writer

GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip - Undeterred by U.S. criticism, Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon (news - web sites) on Tuesday praised a deadly Israeli military strike in the Gaza Strip (news - web sites) as a success and said there would be more such operations.



In the West Bank, meanwhile, four Israeli motorists were wounded, two of them seriously, in a shooting attack Tuesday near the West Bank town of Hebron. Elsewhere, four Palestinians were wounded, one seriously, by Israeli army fire.

Israel said Monday's raid in Gaza, which left 14 Palestinians dead and more than 100 wounded in the town of Khan Younis, was meant to put members of the Islamic militant group Hamas on notice that they could no longer feel safe in the crowded neighborhoods of Gaza.

The Palestinians said all the dead and nearly all the wounded were civilians, while Sharon and the military said most of the dead were armed men killed in battle.

The U.S. State Department, while reaffirming Israel's right to self defense, said it was "deeply troubled" by raids on Palestinian areas that killed civilians. The operation was also criticized by Russia, the United Nations (news - web sites) and the European Union (news - web sites) — which along with the United States, make up the quartet of Mideast mediators.

Sharon expressed sorrow at the civilian deaths, but brushed off the international condemnation.

"There is a need to be certain that terrorist organizations will not have the freedom to carry out intentional murder," Sharon said after a meeting with Israeli President Moshe Katsav.

"The operation was a successful operation," Sharon added. "This operation was complicated, it was a difficult operation ... There will be more operations in Gaza."

The Israeli commander of Monday's raid, Brig. Gen. Israel Ziv, acknowledged that none of those killed were wanted by Israel. He said the main objective was to shake up the group which has carried out dozens of bombing attacks in Israel.

"Hamas is under a lot of stress lately because of our operations," Ziv said. "The main goal (of the Khan Younis operation) was to ... interfere with their self-confidence."

Palestinian Cabinet minister Saeb Erekat said the raid on Khan Younis was a "massacre and war crime," and that the Palestinian Authority (news - web sites) has asked the U.N. Security Council to convene immediately.

Both Hamas and Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat (news - web sites)'s Fatah (news - web sites) faction have threatened to avenge those killed Monday. "Everyone should know that as our people were not safe in Khan Younis, so Israelis will not be safe in Tel Aviv," said Abdel Aziz Rantisi, a Hamas leader. "We will strike everywhere."

With Israel threatening more raids, Hamas was also embroiled in a blood feud with the Palestinian police that left five people dead Monday — a Palestinian police colonel and four Hamas supporters.

In the funeral for two of the Hamas supporters Tuesday, dozens among the 1,500 mourners hurled stones and bottles at a police station in Gaza City. Officers posted on the roof fired in the air.

The colonel, who headed the Palestinian riot police, was kidnapped and shot dead Monday by about 20 Hamas gunmen. The main suspect is Emad Akel, a Hamas activist from the Nusseirat refugee camp, whose brother Raed, was killed a year ago, along with two other students, by Palestinian riot police dispersing protests at a Gaza City campus.

Later Monday, a battle erupted between Hamas gunmen and police trying to arrest two suspects in Gaza City. Two Hamas supporters were killed and 10 bystanders wounded in the fighting. Police eventually withdrew and the suspects were whisked away by Hamas gunmen.

A few hours later, Emad Akel demonstratively set up a mourning tent for his brother — something the family had sworn it would only do once revenge had been taken. The tent was erected on a main road near the Nusseirat refugee camp.

Police arrived to disperse the crowd at the tent, and another gun battle ensued. Two more Hamas supporters were killed and 18 people were wounded, including two who were in critical condition Tuesday.

On Tuesday, Akel's mother, Aisheh, confirmed that her son Emad killed the colonel. "If we had not killed him (the officer), the other families (of the other slain students) would have done so," she told The Associated Press.

Hamas leaders portrayed the feud as a personal matter of several activists, but the clashes threatened to spiral into a full-blown confrontation between Hamas and the Palestinian security services.

Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat in the past has resisted calls by Israel and the United States to crack down on Hamas militants in order to prevent attacks on Israelis. However, security forces have taken tough measures in the past when they felt their authority was challenged by the militants.

In the shooting attack near Hebron, two of the wounded were in serious condition. There was no immediate claim of responsibility, but Palestinian militants have targeted Jewish settlers on West Bank roads throughout the two years of Mideast fighting. In Hebron, Jewish settlers scuffled with Palestinians and smashed the windshields of four Arab-owned cars, witnesses said.

In the West Bank town of Jenin, about 200 school children threw stones at two Israeli tanks enforcing a curfew in the West Bank town of Jenin. Soldiers opened fire, wounding two adults and two teen-agers, including a 17-year-old boy who was in serious condition with a bullet in the chest, doctors said

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Israel is just losing every bit of protection it has enjoyed for the last fifty years. Since WW2, other nations have simply ignored Israel's crimes, as anyone who spoke against them was automatically labelled anti-Semitic. Now, however, they are killing so many civilians that people are actually noticing. I think they really need to get a new government, fast, before they lose all international sympathy and protection.

Originally posted by Adam
Israel is just losing every bit of protection it has enjoyed for the last fifty years. Since WW2, other nations have simply ignored Israel's crimes, as anyone who spoke against them was automatically labelled anti-Semitic. Now, however, they are killing so many civilians that people are actually noticing. I think they really need to get a new government, fast, before they lose all international sympathy and protection.

It will not happen. Since the usa and the goverment there is afraid of israelis and jewish peeps are in very strong position, it will never happened. If you notice u can't say a word about jews in uusa but u can bash Islam as much as you want and the goverment will not even make a noise. That falwell guy is the recent example, if he would have said something about Jews, goverment would have given him electric chair by now.It is the sad fact and people are not getting it.

Originally posted by GB-GIL Trans-global
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The whole page is full of similar news.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/fc?cid=34&tmpl=fc&in=World&cat=Mideast_Conflict

Originally posted by skywalker
That falwell guy is the recent example, if he would have said something about Jews, goverment would have given him electric chair by now.It is the sad fact and people are not getting it.

Try this one:

Jerry Falwell, the Antichrist, attacks Jews
by Lewis Loflin

In a story in the Bristol Herald Courier, Jerry Falwell, speaking to a crowd of 1500 Sullivan County Baptists, made good on his earlier promise to target Jews. In a church in Kingsport, Falwell told an enthusiastic audience that the Antichrist was alive, walking around somewhere, and was a male Jew. What he didn't know was a reporter was in the audience and the word leaked out.

http://www.sullivan-county.com/news/rel_war/falwell_jews.htm

Also:

Recent remarks by Jerry Falwell have shed light on why he would kidnap our daughter. Falwell said that "The Antichrist is a Jew". Later, he explained that his remarks have to do with the Second Coming of Christ which will take place in some way in connection with the year 2000.

Falwell's strong support for Israel and overt hostility towards Muslims is not because he likes Jews, but because he believes that the Jews are in Israel to prepare the way for the Second Coming of Christ and that when Christ returns all the Jews will convert to Christianity.

This also explains why he wants to drive all the Palestinian Muslims out of the areas controlled by Israel.

http://www.ishipress.com/ourchild.htm

Fallwell took so much shit for those remarks he recanted them later.

What about those ADL guys who tried to blow up a congressperson's office? We haven't heard much about that lately.

Just like we never hear about black on white hate crimes :(

Originally posted by skywalker
It will not happen. Since the usa and the goverment there is afraid of israelis and jewish peeps are in very strong position, it will never happened. If you notice u can't say a word about jews in uusa but u can bash Islam as much as you want and the goverment will not even make a noise. That falwell guy is the recent example, if he would have said something about Jews, goverment would have given him electric chair by now.It is the sad fact and people are not getting it.

Aren't all but one of the major networks controlled by Jewish people, and the remaining one is controlled by a Christian person? Those two are basically the same crazy religion except that Judaism has the racial factor (Jews are an ethnicity as well as a religion).

Originally posted by prozak
Aren't all but one of the major networks controlled by Jewish people, and the remaining one is controlled by a Christian person?
Rupert Murdoch most likely controls at least one network.

Originally posted by Adam
Rupert Murdoch most likely controls at least one network.

Rupert's father Sir Keith Murdoch [see below] attained his prominent position in Australian society through a fortuitous marriage to the daughter of a wealthy Jewish family, née Elisabeth Joy Greene. Through his wife's connections, Keith Murdoch was subsequently promoted from reporter to chairman of the British-owned newspaper where he worked. There was enough money to buy himself a knighthood of the British realm, two newspapers in Adelaide, South Australia, and a radio station in a faraway mining town. For some reason, Murdoch has always tried to hide the fact that his pious mother brought him up as a Jew...

http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/02/05/Murdoch2.html

Nifty. :)

Israel has been attacked by just about every arab state there is and you imply they are having it easy?

Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, etc., etc., have never attacked Israel. Plenty of Arab nations haven't.

Originally posted by Clockwood
Israel has been attacked by just about every arab state there is and you imply they are having it easy?

They invaded in 1948 - they should expect ongoing resistance.

The Jew-Arab conflict is over 3,000 years old.

As I said before they should have there heads ground to a pulp. The palestinians and all arabs ever.

Originally posted by God Is Real
As I said before they should have there heads ground to a pulp. The palestinians and all arabs ever.

So extreme violence towards palestinians is ok according to you?

Ok... Middle eastern state would be the correct term.

If palastine wants a separate state they should have to talk to Britain. It was their land before it was granted to israel.

Your history is all wrong, Clockwood.

1. Britain grants the colony of Palestine to the UN

2. The UN makes a partition plan, about half is for a Palestinian state, half for a Jewish state, and Jerusalem is under international jurisdiction

3. Arabs from other nations (not the new nation which was never allowed to form) attack the new Jewish state on all sides. Israel takes lands as "protection" from future attacks.

4. Israel withdraws from the Sinai Penninsula

5. Golan Heights changes from an "occupied territory" to part of the Jewish state, although this land was not alotted to Israel in the original partition plan

Please note that these only note political events.

But Clockwood, you make it sound like:

Britain gives the territory of Palestine to the Jews for a Jewish state. They give them the whole thing to the Jews for complete freedom from Britain.

If the Hebrews would have taken it (and I was alive and in power at the time) I would have offered them California.

Originally posted by Clockwood
If the Hebrews would have taken it (and I was alive and in power at the time) I would have offered them California.
"Gee Thanks", says the Californian, as he thinks that this whole Israel-Palestine problem could have been avoided if the Europeans that had spent 1700 years persecuting Jews (and feeling guilty about it after WWII and the Holocaust), had each given up land, to make new Jewish homelands, instead of giving somebody else’s.
Let's see, these would do:
Kent in England, Aquitaine in France, Bavaria in Germany, Catalonia in Spain, Algarve in Portugal & etc...
“But it's unfair!!!”, you say? About as fair as giving Arab land (since 636 AD), to people that had not seen Palestine (Judah/Israel) in 1900 years (since the Romans had kicked them out) and who are European in thought, culture, technology and ethnicity (probably Khazars from the Caucasus region, (read that history) ).

http://www.khazaria.com/khazar-diaspora.html

Originally posted by Randolfo
"Gee Thanks", says the Californian, as he thinks that this whole Israel-Palestine problem could have been avoided if the Europeans that had spent 1700 years persecuting Jews (and feeling guilty about it after WWII and the Holocaust), had each given up land, to make new Jewish homelands, instead of giving somebody else’s.
Let's see, these would do:
Kent in England, Aquitaine in France, Bavaria in Germany, Catalonia in Spain, Algarve in Portugal & etc...
“But it's unfair!!!”, you say? About as fair as giving Arab land (since 636 AD), to people that had not seen Palestine (Judah/Israel) in 1900 years (since the Romans had kicked them out) and who are European in thought, culture, technology and ethnicity (probably Khazars from the Caucasus region, (read that history) ).

http://www.khazaria.com/khazar-diaspora.html

It seems to me that if the Jews were thrown out of their homeland for misbehavior, they should have founded another one using the moneys they apparently earn quite well as successful immigrants in countries like the USA. However, like most religious zealots, they are hypocrites, and therefore want to be both have no homeland AND use that as a bargaining chip against others. My sympathies are with the Arab peoples on this issue; it is clear that Israel firing 1,000lb bombs into Palestinian neighborhoods is as much terrorism as what has happened on Sept 11, 2001, but is not recognized because Americans do not see Arabs as being humans, only terrorists. Media conditioning for you.

I do not have a problem with Islam; outside of US intervention, it has been content to stay to its sphere while the West stays to its own (even after the original crusades). However, Christianity and Judaism drive people insane and are racist, xenophobic, horribly distorted views of spirituality.