This may be a watershed moment in this conflict. I've watched interviews with Yassin, and he was truly an enemy of the state, but he was also an old cleric, a quadriplegic, and a "spiritual leader", not a tactician. I'm not sure this will have any damaging effect on the operations of Hamas.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040322/D81F67LG0.html

I personally do not think anything will change, but I certainly will shed no tears for him. If they would just leave Israel alone, but... It makes me think of someone poking a bear when it wants to be left alone, and then being surprised when the bear attacks or the child who keeps trying to grab the hot cookie fresh from the oven and eventually gets burned and then for some bizarre reason goes and does it again.

It won't make any difference. You can poke me with a stick if some Pally don't go BOOM by the end of the month.
Lets face it did the USA back off after 9/11?
Dee Cee

It won't make any difference. You can poke me with a stick if some Pally don't go BOOM by the end of the month.
Lets face it did the USA back off after 9/11?
Dee Cee

Excuse me, you actually have the gall to say something like that and think that there is a comparison, that is sick. You want an equivalent, well when the US begins purposefully dropping bombs on Muslims, just to kill them because they are, then I will agree, otherwise, that is just wrong!

You want a comparison?
I'll provide one.
They kill you.
You kill them.
ect ect ad infinitum
The only difference is 'our' army is too tough for 'them' so 'they' kill civvies instead.
They are 'terrorists' after all.
Looks comparable to me

Isn't that what wars all about?
and we are at war aren't we?
You taking sides now Truth?
How objective does that make you?
Dee Cee

DC, sorry, but that does not even make sense! Your comparison is absurd at best and just plain stupid to boot! I do not mean to be mean, but sheesh! How objective does that make me? Am I taking a side? Of course I am taking a side! I am being objective, in what way am I not? I in no way think that the terrorists even have a case, but you seem willing to allow them the lowest common denominator because of their pathetic position. That is just nuts!

Of course I am taking a side

I am being objective

:rolleyes:

One last go :(
If someone killed your leader how would you feel?
Position is irrelevant it is only difference between you and say proud muslim.
Thats all
Dee Cee

Exactly how they would feel, I understand that, the fact remains, they blow up buses and so it does not matter how they feel. People loved Hitler, he was still evil, that does not change a thing or alter the equation in any way.

I understand your point but your subjective idea of right and wrong will not stop the killing. Let me repost your comments with some slight alterations if I may.

"Exactly how they would feel, I understand that, the fact remains, they blow up old holy men and so it does not matter how they feel. People loved Hitler, he was still evil, that does not change a thing or alter the equation in any way."

Not much of a change but it does kinda sound like PM (without the hysteria:))
Tis funny how both sides like to bring up Hitler. Gives the fucker more credit than he deserves in my opinion.

Evil is in they eye of the beholder.
Objectivity can be painfull but it is the first step to understanding and resolution.
Forgiveness is required for a lasting peace.

This conflict is a long way from over and I personally will have to sit and watch you all kill each other on the TV in the name of whatever this weeks buzzword is for some time to come, I fear.
Ask yourself "What would it take for my side to back down?"
I guess the answer will be "Nothing on earth"
Well suprise suprise thats the same answer the other fella gives.
You may think genocide is an option but it's not practical.
So until the the world gets a sense of proportion or enough people are dead this shit will continue.
Americans, Muslims Hindus dogs cats and chickens all bleed red.

Funny thing is....
I'm more worried about the two big dudes who stand behind me when I'm pulling money from an ATM at four in the morning than I am about any 'terrorist' attack or 'American hedgemony'. I guess thats objectivity in action.

This is not in tune with my posting style at all and I fear I may be forced to desist before I vomit.
At this point I run for cover.
Dee cee

ALLAHU AKBAR!

this guy is a 'spiritual' leader now, but he wasn't years ago.
he participated in planning and directing an abduction and murder of 2 Israelis in 1992.
he was jailed, and released after 2 Mossad agents fucked up big time, and our "friends" in Jordan made us release that fu(ker

was he personally responsible for the 100s of terrorist attacks on Israeli civilians? probably not.
but bin-Laden didn't fly those planes -- his footsoldiers did
and Saddam didn't chem-bomb Halabja, his soldiers did.

anyway, these fuckers only understand force. when you're trying to be nice to them, or turn the other cheek, they see it as a weakness and increase the terrorism

next in line should be Rantisi, Mashal, Haniya, and inshallah, Arafat

also, all those threats from Rantisi about "gates of hell being opened" and "we'll cut off Sharon's head" .. please...
as if they weren't trying to do that before. like fuck... what can you possibly threaten us with that you haven't done before and aren't trying to do at present time?

...
so Yassin is a Shahid now..
too bad he can't enjoy the virgins since he's an impotent 66 year old paraplegic

Ah, well. This kind of thing shocks me even less than your weekly cafe suicide bombing. I figure each side is going to try and kill the other until at least one of the sides no longer exists in its present form. Take that as you wish but I expect Jerusalem will be a crater of radioactive dust a hundred years from now. Then we MIGHT have peace.

Wars like this don't allow for good. Each side attempts to outdo the other in an attempt to shock it into backing down. As neither side will back down, either because they are too nuts to do so or because they have nowhere to back down to or that they think their enemy's defeat is right around the corner, the deathtoll keeps going up. I am just surprized that Israel is as civil as it has been. At this point I would have thought they would be forcibly expelling or killing every self proclaimed Palistinian on its soil and vivisecting the families of every suicide bomber to put on a vest.

Israel will pay very heavy price for this cowardly crime, just wait and see.

Why am I so depressed?

I am not sad, I know this great MARTYER got what he always carved for, martyrdom...he is now in heaven....Lucky he....I wish I can die a martyer..

I am not sad, but I am angry, very very angry, but my anger is assured by the fact that some nazi zionists will be blown up to pieces very shortly, this is what calm me down little bit...I cant wait to see some jews blown to peices.

:mad:

PM, two wrongs never make a right. And that last little bit there? Charming, really charming. The killing of innocent civilians should never ever be waited for with glee. I find the thought of your last two sentences to be disgusting actually. Reprehensible. You are just as bad as the Isreali who pulled the trigger or Sharon who watched from afar.

And the whole 'I wish I could die a martyr' thing doesn't wash with me, actually I find you saying that to be highly hypocritical. Do you actually want to strap a bomb to yourself and take out as many people as you can so that you can be a martyr? You deplore terrorism on the one hand but you can't wait to see people blown up on the other, so which is it? Or do you mean martyr where you blow a hole in your head and donate your organs to save the lives of others?

You sleep well tonight, assured that some Jews will be blown to bits. Then just ask yourself if the bomber who blows up a child is any better than the soldier who shoots a child. To me they are one and the same.

In the Middle East everyone know the rules very well, eye for an eye and dont worrry the world is already blind.

I dont care how many jews are blown to peices, they are the killers, they are the ones who STOLE and occupy our land and they will pay very heavy price for their crime...who is afraid of who ?? they used Apatchi Helicopter with missiles to murder helpess wheel chair bound old man !!! how cowards they are !!

I swear By God, the jews will be hunted all over the world like rats...just wait and see....

Oops. Showing your true colours there, Proud_Muslim. I must say, they are not a pretty sight.

In my opinion, this kind of hate-mongering should not be permitted on this forum.

Ah yes, an eye for an eye. Now there's a mature and civilised way of dealing with things. You carry on about how the actions of a few has resulted in the whole being blamed (you know the OBL thing and how you think the West blames all Muslims for the actions of the few?), yet you do the same. You are quite happy to sit there and actually say that you do not care how many Jews are killed, yet you balk at the thought of a Muslim being killed? The helicopter pilot who flicked the switch to kill Yassin today is just as much of a coward as the bomber who blows up a bus killing people from babies to the elderly. Either or PM. By your argument, the West can now turn around and say that they don't care how many Muslims are killed as they've blown up buildings, planes, trains, automobiles, buses, etc. Do you see where I'm going with this now? No one side is as good as the other.

You blame all the Jews and do not care, actually you act happy at the thought of them all being killed, all because of the actions of the few. If you want eye for an eye, find the helicopter pilot, find Sharon. That would be eye for an eye, barbaric as it is. But do not think that actions such as blowing up a bunch of innocent people makes everything alright again. That would not be an eye for an eye. It would just be a murderous act perpetrated upon innocent people. Just like the pilots of those helicopter gun ships who shoot innocent people are murderers. And do not ever think that anyone will ever take you seriously again the next time you say that you disagree with terrorism and the likes of OBL, because your words today in this thread has shown you to think just like they do. James is right, your true colours are not a pretty sight. Quite ugly in fact.

In my opinion, this kind of hate-mongering should not be permitted on this forum.

And who the hell you are to talk about hate ?? when someone occupy your land and kill your people, will you like them ??? HYPOCRITE.

James? You are occupying Palestine?