Israel says it will bomb any vehicle that moves in south lebanon.

Does that include prams, thats a vehicle with wheels, how about a kid on a bike? a kid playing with a remote controlled car, ambulances.

They do seem to have a very broad agenda, where do they draw the lines here.

How about dropping leaflets like, anybody leaving there house to go shopping or to work or to eat, is a legitamate target of israel bombs?


There does seem to be a whole lot of love in the middle east these days.

Israel says it will bomb any vehicle that moves in south lebanon.Hmm, why not! It's a good day for getting rid of terrorists and wannabes....:D :D

Israel says it will bomb any vehicle that moves in south lebanon.

Does that include prams, thats a vehicle with wheels, how about a kid on a bike? a kid playing with a remote controlled car, ambulances.

They do seem to have a very broad agenda, where do they draw the lines here.

How about dropping leaflets like, anybody leaving there house to go shopping or to work or to eat, is a legitamate target of israel bombs?


There does seem to be a whole lot of love in the middle east these days.What sticks in my throat Vincent are those 31 Syrian orchard workers who were blown to kingdom come . I dont know people just going to work and then the bombing of that apartment buliding yesterday killing scorse of civilians in Beirut , this is really a campaign of mass murder nothing else Hezbollah has been virtually untouched .

Israel says it will bomb any vehicle that moves in south lebanon.

Does that include prams, thats a vehicle with wheels, how about a kid on a bike? a kid playing with a remote controlled car, ambulances.

They do seem to have a very broad agenda, where do they draw the lines here.

How about dropping leaflets like, anybody leaving there house to go shopping or to work or to eat, is a legitamate target of israel bombs?


There does seem to be a whole lot of love in the middle east these days.

the assumption is that anybody still south of the Litani River cannot be a civilian. that's because all able civilians are gone to escape the war zone - which is what that area is. nobody is going shopping there... nobody's even got their store open there. the place is abandoned.
there is also no gas there.. so even if there are civilians who weren't able to get out with the rest, they wouldn't have gas. and any gas that would remain would be confiscated "for the cause" by Hizb to be used to transport whatever

the main goal here is to prevent re-arming via trucks.
therefore a kid on a bike would logically not be targeted. it's silly even to suggest this.

remember the goal and morals of the IDF... theres no point at shooting at civilians because the world would then make Israel stop its offensive. there are other reasons - shooting at "useless" targets is expensive. gotta save those bombs for the sheep-fucker with the lice in the beard

whats changed, they have been bombing any vehicle already, north or south of the litani river

whats changed, they have been bombing any vehicle already, north or south of the litani river

They have no more leaflets.

The "morals" of a group that has a history of strafing lifeboats are questionable.

the main goal here is to prevent re-arming via trucks.
therefore a kid on a bike would logically not be targeted. it's silly even to suggest this.





What about a person in a motorised wheelchair, dont need gas does it, is that a legitamate target?


"re-arming via trucks"

From what has been reported all the rockets are in caves, and in bananna plantations, which could obscure a million rockets judging by the pictures of these plantations today.


It seems to me Israel is the only country in the world, beyond international law, they get to kill BBC reporters on purpose, they get to kill UN personel, even though they beg them to stop bombing them for hours.

Im beginning to wonder if israel nuked iran, & syria or the UK tommorow, would the UN dare even to start santions against israel.

No country should be given absolute freedom to kill UN staff on purpose in my view, & Kofi (nescafe) Annans 1st words on it too, the fact that israel has a get out of jail card that is gold plated, is what is pissing all the arabs off.

Nobody should be above the law, but israel is, there the untouchables.

It seems Hezbollah is above the law, they can kill Jews at will and no one is allowed to stop them.

It seems Hezbollah is above the law, they can kill Jews at will and no one is allowed to stop them.
They need to kill more. The death toll should be evenly reflected on the side of the zionists.

It seems Hezbollah is above the law, they can kill Jews at will and no one is allowed to stop them.
Israel seems to think they are above the law. They send soldiers into Lebanon looking for Elected Hezbollah members, two are caught and Israel destroys an entire country, without any discussion with anyone. Why would they expect to be treated like a real country on the stage of world nations? You reap what you sow.

It seems Hezbollah is above the law, they can kill Jews at will and no one is allowed to stop them.


Time & time again i here israel blaming iran & syria for hamas & hezbollah.
Only today there president said iran & syria are behind it all.

Then why the hell are they bombing all of lebanon, & killing palestine people, what can this ever achieve other than crate another million terroists worldwide.

The only way to stop hamas & hezbollah is to bomb the iranian leaders & the syrian ones, its so fucking simple a child could see the soloution here.

If someone pays a terroist to blow people up, you attack the paymasters, u dont attack millions of innocent poeple, without the paymasters there is no terroism.

the assumption is that anybody still south of the Litani River cannot be a civilian.I suppose at some point that might become a reasonable assumption, if only because once the civilians and terrorists in the area are thoroughly obliterated, the only people who will come back into the region will be replacement terrorists. But I don't think they have killed off all of the original inhabitants of the region yet.

No, I think the assumption is that if you kill a large enough percentage of a region's civilians, the remainder will stop supporting the only organized group in the region that is fighting against you.

Sounds like a textbook case of insanity to me.

Time & time again i here israel blaming iran & syria for hamas & hezbollah.
Only today there president said iran & syria are behind it all.

Then why the hell are they bombing all of lebanon, & killing palestine people, what can this ever achieve other than crate another million terroists worldwide.

The only way to stop hamas & hezbollah is to bomb the iranian leaders & the syrian ones, its so fucking simple a child could see the soloution here.

If someone pays a terroist to blow people up, you attack the paymasters, u dont attack millions of innocent poeple, without the paymasters there is no terroism.
I agree with your last sentence, that without paymasters there is no terrorism. Ending US support of Israel would be a huge step in the right direction. The regime in Iran will crumble from within eventually. Remember they are a 3rd World country at least a decade away from acquiring defensive nuclear capabilities to resist US/Israeli attacks. No need to be so terrified of their cheap rockets. Destabilizing Iran with an Iraq at war, then destabilizing Syria with Lebanon in civil war and under Jewish occupation is not a recipe for peace. The US can't even secure a single town in Iraq ater four years, there is no reason to believe igniting the entire region on fire, for Israel, will benefit anyone but radical islamists and jewish supremacists. Knock out Assad in Syria and I guarantee he'll be replaced with a turban wearing jihadist.

I suppose at some point that might become a reasonable assumption, if only because once the civilians and terrorists in the area are thoroughly obliterated, the only people who will come back into the region will be replacement terrorists. But I don't think they have killed off all of the original inhabitants of the region yet.

No, I think the assumption is that if you kill a large enough percentage of a region's civilians, the remainder will stop supporting the only organized group in the region that is fighting against you.

Sounds like a textbook case of insanity to me.


Well said, its almost as the jews have just teleported into the area, after all this time they still have no grasp on how muslims think, all israel ever does is unifiy the arabs & create more terroists worldwide, its a grave pity the brits did not teach the idiots how to play chess, all these idiots ever do is knock down all the pieces on the chess board.....

perhaps the idea is to keep the conflicts burning to justify a large sweeping military action further down the road.

its a shame, but a definite possibility.

. Knock out Assad in Syria and I guarantee he'll be replaced with a turban wearing jihadist.


Well your right about syria, he probably is the lesser of the 2 evils, but i believ the iranians deserve a more more modern leader, who's views dont relate to the stoneage.

There is alot of good iranians, and there is no way on earth they deserve another 25 years of the parasites running there country now, they are religous zealots of the worst kind, you can only compare them to the idiotic & evil witch finders of old europe.

Well your right about syria, he probably is the lesser of the 2 evils, but i believ the iranians deserve a more more modern leader, who's views dont relate to the stoneage.

There is alot of good iranians, and there is no way on earth they deserve another 25 years of the parasites running there country now, they are religous zealots of the worst kind, you can only compare them to the idiotic & evil witch finders of old europe.
I agree about Iran. I respect anti-US/Israeli goverments but not fundamentalist regimes. Iran DOES have millions of bright capable people, though a brain-drain has caused many to leave the country. Foreign inspired/financed intervention in Iran will not work. See Iraq, Cuba, Vietnam, Somalia, Haiti, Colombia, etc. The people of Iran must bring about the change, if they want it, by themselves. US/Israeli aggression and meddling will instantly curse any 'freedom movement' inside the country.

perhaps the idea is to keep the conflicts burning to justify a large sweeping military action further down the road.

its a shame, but a definite possibility.


Im sure that wont happen, america is bankrupt & cant afford another war, bush will be out in 2 years or so, i dont think he has time to fit another war in, i have never seen a american president in my lifetime, who can not & will not talk to any nutter country out there, he just isolates them & pisses them off, clicks his ruby slippers together & wishes the problem will go away.

A diplomat he is not, its my way or the highway thats all he ever says, he has been watching to many john wayne movies.

you give his handlers too little credit though.

america has been bankrupt for a veeeeeerrrrry long time, it isnt a recent occurrance. more war is to follow as a direct result of american actions, vincent. mark my words.

you give his handlers too little credit though.

america has been bankrupt for a veeeeeerrrrry long time, it isnt a recent occurrance. more war is to follow as a direct result of american actions, vincent. mark my words.
US Imperialism MUST have an enemy to grow. At first the US was eyeing China, trying to spark a conflict over traitor Taiwan. That didn't sit well with billionaire stockholders, WallStreet and other corporate interests so World War on Islam Begins! The imperialists can go anywhere in the world now and open fire, invade, kidnap, rape, torture and imprison whomever they choose when they choose. Fanning the fear of islam is making US defense contractors rich and making it very easy to construct the planned police state. Americans are easily spooked. Knock 2 of our buildings down and the entire world pays. Now they have their all encompassing, ever threatening and terrifying enemy! It ain't the communists this round.

you give his handlers too little credit though.

america has been bankrupt for a veeeeeerrrrry long time, it isnt a recent occurrance. more war is to follow as a direct result of american actions, vincent. mark my words.


The reality is bush is on some christian crusade, he even said crusade when he kicked it all off, its like he is trying to force a civilised religon down the throats some jungle people, he has no concept of how strong islam is with muslims.

Democracy in the middle east, it just dont work!!!

Palestine they voted hamas in, if egypt was a democracy the muslim brotherhood would be voted in, its the same for the saudis & kuwait u take away the moderate dictators & up pops the mad & loony clerics to take there place, any child can see that, yet bush is still shouting for democracy there, just how stupid is he.

US Imperialism MUST have an enemy to grow. At first the US was eyeing China, trying to spark a conflict over traitor Taiwan. That didn't sit well with billionaire stockholders, WallStreet and other corporate interests so World War on Islam Begins! The imperialists can go anywhere in the world now and open fire, invade, kidnap, rape, torture and imprison whomever they choose when they choose. Fanning the fear of islam is making US defense contractors rich and making it very easy to construct the planned police state. Americans are easily spooked. Knock 2 of our buildings down and the entire world pays. Now they have their all encompassing, ever threatening and terrifying enemy! It ain't the communists this round.
thats the gist of it, yeah.

Yes, the neo-con strategy doesn't work, yes the US invaded one wrong nation (Iraq) and one right one (Afghanistan), but that has nothing to do with Israel attempting to destroy or at least reduce the threat from Hezbollah. Israel will face the consequences of it's military action, just like every other country. They also face the consequences of doing nothing, more dead Israeli citizens.

I have yet to hear any practical solution other than what they are doing now to the problem of a well armed Hezbollah constantly attacking Israel indescriminately with missiles.

I have yet to hear any practical solution other than what they are doing now to the problem of a well armed Hezbollah constantly attacking Israel indescriminately with missiles.

Yes you have, you just choose to ignore it, if the iranian & syrian leaders were threatened with attacks directly on them, do you think these puppet masters would continue there manipulation in lebanon & palestine.

I dont see why all lebanon & palestine & israel people need to suffer for the rest of there lives, because of the actions of a few loony leaders in iran & syria.

Yes you have, you just choose to ignore it, if the iranian & syrian leaders were threatened with attacks directly on them, do you think these puppet masters would continue there manipulation in lebanon & palestine.

I dont see why all lebanon & palestine & israel people need to suffer for the rest of there lives, because of the actions of a few loony leaders in iran & syria.
Hi vincent

how are you?
You are right Vinecnt.... why dont Israel send some bombers over to syria and Iran....If they are the real baddies behind this in Israels opinion then why dont they do it.


Alternatively Iran and Syria see Israel as the real baddies so why dont they have a go at israel... Why should lebanon be used as pawns!!

How about Syria send some troops in to Lebanon north of the latani river and some into northern Israel and encircle the Israeli troops while Iran rain down a few of there crude missles onto tel Aviv etc.....

That would really cause a horrible mess.....

Hi vincent

how are you?
You are right Vinecnt.... why dont Israel send some bombers over to syria and Iran....If they are the real baddies behind this in Israels opinion then why dont they do it.


Alternatively Iran and Syria see Israel as the real baddies so why dont they have a go at israel... Why should lebanon be used as pawns!!

How about Syria send some troops in to Lebanon north of the latani river and some into northern Israel and encircle the Israeli troops while Iran rain down a few of there crude missles onto tel Aviv etc.....

That would really cause a horrible mess.....



There are 3 main players who despise eachother, iran, israel, & syria, & there all using lebanon & palestine as there war theatre, without there permissions, its aabout time the 3 of them either fight it out, or talk it out, or wank it out toghether, i am sick to death of hearing about these 3rd world countries on the news.

I have yet to hear any practical solution other than what they are doing now to the problem of a well armed Hezbollah constantly attacking Israel indescriminately with missiles.
Oh this sanctimonious “ Israel is innocent “ crap again from him .
Noura Erakat Rocks O'Reilly ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtsbZ8LZ0m8&eurl=)
“I don’t think that our viewers know that Israel actually occupied Lebanon for 18 years and that in the past 6yrs years alone it’s launched 11,782 missiles over the Lebanese border. In comparison, Hizbullah has launched 100 missiles over the border. Did Americans know that? Did they know???”

FOXNEWS.

you are slipping, foley.

So... I suppose since Israel occupied Lebanon in a bloody campaign that they are henceforth banned from ever doing anything simi.... oh, I almost forgot I'm ignoring you.

A foot note from my recent post (AT 45 PAST HOUR) in thread, "Israel/Lebanon = convenient distraction for the US" shows US has previously supported the SAME "bomb any thing that moves" policy:

“U.S.-owned NIPCO directly paid the Somoza family millions of dollars in exchange for favorable trade terms, such as not having to re-forest clear cut areas. By 1961, NIPCO had cut all of the commercially viable coastal pines in northeast Nicaragua. …National Guard began to raze villages in the jungle suspected of supporting the rebels. Human rights groups condemned the actions, but U.S. President Ford refused to break the alliance with Somoza….towns rose up, expelling the National Guard units. Somoza responded with increasing brutality. When Leon fell into communist backed Sandinista hands he famously ordered the air force to "bomb everything that moves until it stops moving." {Billy T insert: Israel just anounced this same policy for parts of Lebanon.} The US knew the Somozas were unpopular so they sought a policy of "Somocismo without Somoza." …By June 1979, the National Guard was carrying out massive atrocities in the war against the Sandinistas, bombing residential neighborhoods in Managua and killing thousands of people. {Billy T insert: Also Israel's plan for Lebanon.} At that point, the U.S. ambassador sent a cable to the White House saying it would be "ill-advised" to tell the Guard to call off the bombing, because such an action would help the Sandinistas gain power. When the National Guard executed ABC reporter Bill Stweart and graphic film of the execution was broadcast, the American public became more antipathetic to Somoza. In the end, President Jimmy Carter refused Somoza U.S. military aid….” from:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histor..._a_dictatorship

That post was illustrating damage done to US by CIA by short term policies. (Same will apply to Israel, in MHO) I.e. As just happend to Libermanfor his support of Bush's Iraq war, GOP will lose power and support for Israel will be reduced. - US really can not afford the cost, which will be very evident when Islamic oil producers stop filling tankers of nations sending oil (or F-16 etc) to Israel.

"Prams,Remote toys..." give me idea for the people of Lebanon:

Use remote control toys (with corner cube radar reflector and heat souce*) at night to harmless draw Israeli rockets fired from F-16s.
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*Good heat source could be a candle inside an inverted metal pot or large can.

So... I suppose since Israel occupied Lebanon in a bloody campaign that they are henceforth banned from ever doing anything simi.... oh, I almost forgot I'm ignoring you.
Oh , Im not going to be ignoring you , after your sanctimonious attitude toward me on previous threads , defending racist rightwing papers , anti-immigrant stances , your “ Fuck Allahs “ insults , and then finding out from Neildo what you really were , forget it . Whenever I come across a post of yours which takes a sanctimonious moral tone , Im just going to add my comment to inform everyone reading it your hypocrisy .

"Prams,Remote toys..." give me idea for the people of Lebanon:

Use remote control toys (with corner cube radar reflector and heat souce*) at night to harmless draw Israeli rockets fired from F-16s.
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*Good heat source could be a candle inside an inverted metal pot or large can.


Billy u make it sound like the jews are capable of targeting there bombs, they may have the technology, but when a spotty & snotty nosed 20 year old boy fresh out of his nappies, is pressing the buttons or tageting the bombs, the actual scenario is they land up on UN buildings, or on palestine beaches, or on any building in lebanon with its lights on.

Billy Iran, Israel, all these mickey mouse countries can buy any & all the technology out there, but the reality is none of them are experts at using any of it, all of them would fall down like a stack of cards when faced with a trained army.

Israel is out of its depth now, they are not in any position to fight any more wars with the arabs, they need to talk, i have lived in israel for 5 months, i found them more arrogant than all the upper class pricks, i have ever met in central london put together.

They need to climb off there high horse, stop looking down on all of europe, stop breast feeding america dry, & for once try to relate to there local neighbours, instead of the only friends they seem to have left americans 4000 miles away, in 20 or 30 years even the jewish vote will mean nothing in america anymore.

They have one friend in the UN, and only one, they are isolated more than north korea, for fuck sake israel wake up, america is not going to need your votes in 20years time, the home of jesus is nothing more than a human slaughterhouse.

How about the Israelis bombing Iraqi nuclear powerplants during Iran Iraq war with cluster bombs. You know the ones that have delayed explotions......Just long enough for the rescue workers to come in and get blown up.

Billy u make it sound like the jews are capable of targeting there bombs, they may have the technology, but when a spotty & snotty nosed 20 year old boy fresh out of his nappies, is pressing the buttons or tageting the bombs, the actual scenario is they land up on UN buildings, or on palestine beaches, or on any building in lebanon with its lights on....Except for this part, I generally agree with your post. I do not really know, but suspect that the RAF is better trained (at least has more combat experience on top of their training) and any other in the world. Some of their electronics is better than the US has, except for the fact they let US use it as part of the F-16 deal.

You point about Lebanon et al not having either the modern equipment or training levels is valid. (Their entire combat air force is, I believe, six old helicopters surplus from the Vietnam War.) In last few days, I have been wondering what would happen if Israel’s disproportionate slaughter of the innocents in Lebanon continues and the UN cannot even agree on how to word papers that talk about it.

The French ruled Lebanon. France feels very strongly that these Israeli war crimes* must stop soon. Perhaps French men, with modern French air defenses, will be invited by Lebanon to help stop this collective punishment. Certainly possible, but perhaps not likely. Certainly not a war crime to shoot down invading bombers killing mainly innocent citizens.
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*Collective punishment at an innocent kill ratio greater than the Nazi used in in occupied France during WWII for each German soldier killed by the French resistance. About 900 innocent people (about 20 were Brazilians) in Lebanon have been killed by Israel for each Israeli soldier killed by the resistance** forces in Lebanon. Israel has lost about 30 soldiers. - An collective kill ratio of innocents of about 30 to 1. The corresponding Nazi ratio in France was about 20 to 1.

**These resistance forces did not exist in 1982 when Isreal began its 16 year occupation of Lebanon. Thus, it is hard to blame them as the first cause of the current troubles. All nations have the right to resist occupation. Isreal created its current enemy by the prior occupation of Lebanon.

How about the Israelis bombing Iraqi nuclear powerplants during Iran Iraq war with cluster bombs. You know the ones that have delayed explotions......Just long enough for the rescue workers to come in and get blown up.
Was it wrong to prevent Saddam from building nukes?

the main goal here is to prevent re-arming via trucks.
therefore a kid on a bike would logically not be targeted. it's silly even to suggest this.

Yea but 1/3 of deaths are children. And yes i already know your reply :rolleyes: Israel deeply regrets this "collateral damage" and were not intentionally aiming at civillians but hezbollah are mingling with the population... blah blah blah. But guess what you foreskinless wankrod, the israels dying everyday are also "collateral damage" who are mingling with the population.

Yea but 1/3 of deaths are children. And yes i already know your reply :rolleyes: Israel deeply regrets this "collateral damage" and were not intentionally aiming at civillians but hezbollah are mingling with the population... blah blah blah. But guess what you foreskinless wankrod, the israels dying everyday are also "collateral damage" who are mingling with the population.
the difference is that the israelis dying in cities arent lobbing missiles across the border. they are just going to work/school/buying a sandwich/whatever.

foreskinless wankrod???
thats a new one!!!

the difference is that the israelis dying in cities arent lobbing missiles across the border. ...True. Their taxes and mainly US aid pay for the 500 pound HE bombs they drop in Lebanon instead. The daily total of HE delivered and the resultant innocent death totals of Israel's "collateral damage" in this war is much greater. What Israel lobes, by the thousands daily, are 155 caliper arterial shells. (Does dropping or lobbing make a difference?)


Mothers of Israeli girls* killed weep the same as do mothers in Lebanon, only there are relative fewer in Israel and CNN has better access to them. Neither really cares to hear why their daughter was killed. They just know she is dead.
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*Since this is plural, I am tacitly assuming, perhaps incorrectly, that at least two have been killed. Certainly safe to assume that more than 20 daughters under 13 have died in Lebanon. (I supplied the name of a young Brazilian girl killed the first of Israel's bombing in the thread "Israel murdered 55 today" about a month ago.)

TMothers of an Israeli girl killed weep the same as do mothers in Lebanon, only there are relative fewer in Israel and CNN has better access to them. Neither really cares to hear why their daughter was killed. They just know she is dead.
this is something that the more dogmatic members of this forum would do well to pay attention to.

good post!