Israel passes new racial purity law

The Knesset plenum approved Thursday the second and third readings of a bill to prevent Palestinians
who marry Israeli citizens from receiving citizenship or permanent residency status.

The bill, which has been denounced by its opponents as 'racist' and 'inhumane,' passed by a majority of 53 votes to 25, with one abstention.

http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/323971.html

The Racial Purity Law (15 September 1935) took away German citizenship from the Jews, and forbade sex between Germans and Jews.

—<a href="http://www.johndclare.net/Nazi_Germany2.htm">Apparatus of Power</a>

Why does Israel do it? I mean it just adds weight to the arguement that Zionism is the Nazism. That is so demeaning and so backward that I hope it goes on Amnesty list of grave human rights abuses. Well just to add to the list of Israeli's violations from human rights to the UN S.C.

Posted on Thu, Jul. 31, 2003

New Law for Israeli-Palestinian Couples
GAVIN RABINOWITZ
Associated Press

JERUSALEM - Israel's parliament passed a measure Thursday that would force Palestinians who marry Israelis to live separate lives or move out of Israel. The government said the law was necessary to prevent terror attacks, but critics called it racist.

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/breaking_news/6427482.htm

how can a girl from Jaffa meet and date a boy from Ramallah?
or how can their parents arange their marriage if they live in different cities?

palestinians who married israelis carried terror attacks in the past.

it looks pretty bad. for the small percentage that are infact innocent couples, it's really sad...

but unfortunately drastic times call for drastic measures.

in Nazi germany jews from outside of Germany were not blowing up busses.....
and the citizenship that was taken away was from German citizens. Israel's not taking away the citizenship of its arab citizens.
how can there even be a comparison?

That's like saying how can a guy from Scarbrough meet a girl in Missaguaga! Please man :rolleyes: Israel is so tiny it is very eay. Anyways there are 1 million arabs in Israel proper.

it looks pretty bad. for the small percentage that are infact innocent couples, it's really sad...


What i don't think u understand is that this is more than just that. It sets a racist and dangerous precedent.

in Nazi germany jews from outside of Germany were not blowing up busses.....

No but Jews were going around killing Nazi Ambassadors in Paris.

how can there even be a comparison?

Look above, and remember Israel's very existance is because of Zionist terror. I see no difference.

Comeon guys be reasnobble, theres a diffrence of positions here. In the last 2 years 50,000 palestiniens legally or ellegally entered Israel to stay, think that at that rate there would be no Israel in 15 years. What would YOU do if you were Israeli that cares for his country in that position?

It hurts me to see this law passed, but I dont see any other choice in the matter if we want our country to survive. And cut this raciall crap, once you claim jews arnt a race and when you like it they are.

Palestiniens may get work visas, but not citisanship, Its pretty much popping up in most of europe, we had the DK discussion a while ago.


PS: Palestiniens may not get citizanship in Egypt,Lebanon and syria, and those 3 allways whine about us. So why Is israel at the spotlight all the time?

Well easy, i) Israel is a "democratic" society, those others are not, ii) I am sure those nations don't have acutal laws banning inter-faith relations. iii) Pals. are essentially a stateless people what do u want? iv) Jews should know better they suffered the same shit under the nazis, now you are doing the same. ;)

Tell me Nico, there are so many countries doing things that make Israel look like a nice little pigtales girl, whats your obsession with us? Howcome I never see you posting about other conflicts? (apart from US-world ones)

Look man I like u so i won't get up your ass. But do u honestly think I only bug you? LOL, common man. You've been here so such a short time u wouldn't know. So please don't make uninformed assumptions like this:

Howcome I never see you posting about other conflicts? (apart from US-world ones)

:( I didn't expect this from u, also

Tell me Nico, there are so many countries doing things that make Israel look like a nice little pigtales girl

Unlike those other countries you are a democracy, big difference.

Russia is a democracy, Isnt it? And what it does equals to ethnic-cleansing.

Things sometimes arnt ethic, this law ISNT ethic, but there is no other choice for the survivle of this country, now you dont see any legality to Israel so youll say "who cares". We do, and we wont let go of this dream-come-true. Even if it means a law the world doesnt exsactly like. Maybe in the future when this conflict ends we will open our gates, but when everyone coming from the territories is a potentiall terrorist, we cant start smoking weed and talking about world peace. Its just unrealistic.

Axes man i am just as hard on Russia in Chechnya as u are. So again go look at all my posts.

The rest of your post was largely rhectoric so... :)

Btw Arnt countries in Europe doing the same thing now? are THEY racist? They sure are democracit.:bugeye:

Should start writing slower, Im having terrible spelling mistakes lately. :D

Ehm............................................... NO!

I said they sure are DEMOCRATIC.

That was a copy and pasting error on my part. Sorry, but Euro land has no such laws. Man these laws are nazi-ish, and GK will show you how. :)

[QUOTE]Originally posted by nico
[B]I am sure those nations don't have acutal laws banning inter-faith relations. iii)





Neither does Israel, It just doesnt give the guy/girl citizanship. They can have all the relations they want.

So basicly you are saying that inter-faith marriages are illegal in Israel, which they are. :( It's racist, and immoral.

Didnt you say jews Arnt a race? How can it be racist?
Unfair you mean to say.

Immoral yes. Realistic... Yes.

Using your logic man, it was ok for the Germans to enact the nuremburg laws after one jew tried to kill a ambassador in Paris. Your going down a slippery slope. I suggest u get out now. And sorry you are Arab nor Jew is a race. Culturalist attacks. :p

Othead
how can a girl from Jaffa meet and date a boy from Ramallah?

How is this in any way relevant ?

or how can their parents arange their marriage if they live in different cities?

And how is this your concern ?

palestinians who married israelis carried terror attacks in the past.

I cant wait for the day we will have Jewish terrwowrists against the zahyun state . Im hoping Gush , what ya say Ot ? Got any clue who they might be ?

it looks pretty bad. for the small percentage that are infact innocent couples, it's really sad...

Yes your compassion is sooooo wanted Othead , surely we know how you feel about racial intermixing and multi-cultural societies in your apartnik zionist ideal u dont even know about .

Eine Yid bist du gebornen :D

but unfortunately drastic times call for drastic measures.

Sure , here is the excuse for forbidding to racially mix . Are you aware what you are excusing ? Are you aware you kapos ?

Law for the Protection of German Blood and German Honour of 15 September 1935

Thoroughly convinced by the knowledge that the purity of German blood is essential for the further existence of the German people, and inspired by the inflexible will to safe-guard the German nation for the entire future, the Reich Parliament has resolved upon the following law unanimously, which is promulgated herewith :

SECTION I

Marriages between Jews and nationals of German or kindred blood are forbidden. Marriages concluded in defiance of this law are void, even if, for the purpose of evading this law, they are concluded arranged abroad.
Proceedings for annulment may be initiated only by the Public Prosecutor.

SECTION II

Relations outside marriage between Jews and nationals of German or kindred blood are forbidden.

Reich Citizenship Law of 15 September 1935 (http://www.skalman.nu/third-reich/nurnberg-lagarna.htm)

in Nazi germany jews from outside of Germany were not blowing up busses.....

In Nazi germany Jews from outside Germany didnt :

* ethnically cleansed native Germans
* demolish native German villages
* caused native German diaspora
* created disney hebreer land on top of GERMANY .

Othead you are being so disgracefull , If ONLY they would have attacked and resist the Nazi's there might have NEVER been a holocaust to begin with .

Jihad was called , Jihad ...... what is your word for Jihad mr Heburaim ?

But no ......... A cow in Palestine .

and the citizenship that was taken away was from German citizens. Israel's not taking away the citizenship of its arab citizens.

* They have already taken away the land
* They dont mind deportations

>They will deal with their socalled Arab-Israeli soon enough

how can there even be a comparison

Crazy isnt it :rolleyes:

U should hook up with Gil_W

Originally posted by nico
Using your logic man, it was ok for the Germans to enact the nuremburg laws after one jew tried to kill a ambassador in Paris. Your going down a slippery slope. I suggest u get out now. And sorry you are Arab nor Jew is a race. Culturalist attacks. :p


That person who murderd him took it upon himself to do it. No organization took responsibility for it. Stop throwing rocks in the dark.

You forgot those laws in germany were about GERMAN citizans. It was about race. The law inacted in Israel is allso about nationality. An israeli-arab has the same rights as a jew (apart from taking jobs in the defence industry).

-jews were not allowed to have public jobs, palestiniens can.

That person who murderd him took it upon himself to do it. No organization took responsibility for it. Stop throwing rocks in the dark.

For it is not rocks, it is facts. I will have to look up if that guy was independant or not. Not that it matters, he (a jew) committed a crime against Nazi Germany. Using your logic Nazi Germany took all measures nessecary to protect her citizens. Also in 1933 a Jew named Samuel Untermeyer called for Jihad against Nazi Germany. By the sounds of it Israel and Nazi Germany have some connections. See what I mean by slippery slope? Get out now.

You forgot those laws in germany were about GERMAN citizans. It was about race. The law inacted in Israel is allso about nationality. An israeli-arab has the same rights as a jew (apart from taking jobs in the defence industry).


Axes they are called baby steps, it takes time to create a air of seperation.

Axes

but I dont see any other choice in the matter if we want our country to survive. And cut this raciall crap, once you claim jews arnt a race and when you like it they are

* I dont think a couple of intermixings will endanger your zionist positions .
* The Jews arent a race but Israel believes they are , they are a Hebrew peoples that is the ideology . In reaction to that we discuss racial matters as they want to . However anthropologically they are not a race , but thats simply the premis isnt it ?

Palestiniens may get work visas, but not citisanship, Its pretty much popping up in most of europe, we had the DK discussion a while ago.

I understand you want your nation to be treated and put in the perspective like any other western nation , but thats not the way it is and you know it . You're not in the situation like Denmark , there isnt a link you can fraw this way .

PS: Palestiniens may not get citizanship in Egypt,Lebanon and syria, and those 3 allways whine about us. So why Is israel at the spotlight all the time?

Is this really a question here Axes ? Your a colonist .

As for them (their governments) to whine is a totally different issue (xcept for Lebanon) , they're not peoples representatives .

Btw Arnt countries in Europe doing the same thing now? are THEY racist? They sure are democracit

Ehm , although there are serious problems in certain areas in Europe between populations , there is no apartheids-state with racial laws . Again ,I know you want to be like Europe , but u have to admit that you're not .

Neither does Israel, It just doesnt give the guy/girl citizanship. They can have all the relations they want.

But thats the whole deal , what the hell is a relationship worth in the laws-perspective outside of the state ?

This argument is terrific , really . In Europe you are free as an European to mary anybody from anywhere and live with him/her in Europe .

Didnt you say jews Arnt a race? How can it be racist?
Unfair you mean to say.
Immoral yes. Realistic... Yes.

Israel considers itself a race that was a motive for the entire state , home of the Jewish peoples 2000 years ago . The fact that peoples go along with those pre-assumptions for the arguments sake doesnt change the racial perspective the zionist state of Israel has .

But seriously , explain me the problem of mixing marriages . Are there that many ?

An israeli-arab has the same rights as a jew (apart from taking jobs in the defence industry).

Now you know this is not true , there was even inequality between Jews themselves , lets not pretend like there is no Apartheid . I mean I can bring you a billion links and type 12 pages about all the inequalities , but come'on now .....

jews were not allowed to have public jobs, palestiniens can.

You are aware that an assertion that Arabs have more rights in Israel than Jews is a bit toomuch dont you ? Come'on Axes you're not Othead remember , a bit of sense isnt toomuch asked is it ?

GK
I dont think a couple of intermixings will endanger your zionist positions
from your perspective it's a very convenient thing to say. it's very dangerous indeed (from security point of view. there are actually lots of intermarriages in israel)

I understand you want your nation to be treated and put in the perspective like any other western nation , but thats not the way it is and you know it . You're not in the situation like Denmark , there isnt a link you can fraw this way
Denmark is only trying to preserve its culture.
Israel's trying to do the same, but mostly its trying to protect its citizens from terrorism. that is the prime reason this law was enacted. the "demographic war" is not related.

Your a colonist
what's your personal definition of 'colonist'?
moving to empty swampy lands or lands bought with money from owners is considered colonising too? (i feel you're moving away from the subject, as usual)

Now you know this is not true , there was even inequality between Jews themselves , lets not pretend like there is no Apartheid . I mean I can bring you a billion links and type 12 pages about all the inequalities , but come'on now .....

please do. in return we'll post counter liks. lol. btw, bring up links dating before sept/00. obviously since the intifada started there has been much more tension between jews and arabs in israel... tho their rights have not been tempered with.

You are aware that an assertion that Arabs have more rights in Israel than Jews is a bit toomuch dont you?
he was talking about jews in germany vs. arabs in israel, ya jahnoon.

SECTION I
Marriages concluded in defiance of this law are void, even if, for the purpose of evading this law, they are concluded arranged abroad.
marriages will NOT be voided. simply the palestinian spouse (a foreighner) is not gonna automatically receive citizenship.

SECTION II
Relations outside marriage between Jews and nationals of German or kindred blood are forbidden
nobody forbids no one of dating anyone. there are lotsa inter-mixed dating / marriages.

there's absolutely no parallel between the nazi law and the israeli law.
this matter is only regarding citizenship, as opposed to "keeping jewish blood clean", as you try to portray it.
why don't you check up on Japanese naturalization laws... particularly regarding marrying foreigners.


NICO
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your Scarborough/Missisauga analogy, completely unparallel.
these 2 places are not trying to destroy toronto with bombings. man, do i even have to point this out???

your Scarborough/Missisauga analogy, completely unparallel.
these 2 places are not trying to destroy toronto with bombings. man, do i even have to point this out???

Do u live in Toronto? Well I don't think so, if u did you would know that no one wants Scarborough in there backyards. Gang city, please. Obviously not all of Scarborough is bad but there are elements. Using Israeli logic we shouldn't even let then out of the boundaries. Close the highways, and occupy the neighbourhood. Destroy houses to get at the gangs. Same goes for Jane and Finch (Gaza) :rolleyes:

a fellow torontonian! how nice :)

man, you're too political. people don't care about scarborough. so what if there are sri lankan gangs running around with machettes.
and comparing Jane & Finch to Gaza..(?????)
i wish there were more torontoniansk here so they could laugh about this.

btw, Jane & Finch is North York, no?
but that's a totally different topic. open a thread about it if u wish, let's stay on topic (for once...)

also,
no one wants Scarborough in there backyards
but it's already in our "back yard", no?

Let me guess... Bathurst st?

and comparing Jane & Finch to Gaza.

Well Khan Younis would be regent park I would say. ;)

btw, Jane & Finch is North York, no?


Yes it sadly is.
:(

(for once...)

If you haven't noticied this is my first deviation on this topic.

but it's already in our "back yard", no?

Obviously not in the sense i am speaking of. Violence, drugs, gangs, etc. Is that next door to you? No.

Let me guess... Bathurst ?
lol. bathurts and finch :)

f you haven't noticied this is my first deviation on this topic.
although almost every topic on this sub-forum goes offtopic.

Violence, drugs, gangs, etc. Is that next door to you?
violence, yep but not too much. drugs? there's a sea of it. gangs? little highschool kids with bandanas. nothing serious. altho there are russian organized gangs in the area (not mafioso. just 20-something yr olds. very hush hush but quite active indeed)

anyway, we're deviating from the topic, aren't we?
open a new thread man.

Othead
from your perspective it's a very convenient thing to say. it's very dangerous indeed (from security point of view. there are actually lots of intermarriages in israel)

* There are 5 million Jews and 1 million Arabs roughly , how many mixed marriages take place that form danger to the Jewish majority ?

* And shouldnt you be happy instead as a mixed marriage doesnt mean Arab marriage ?

Denmark is only trying to preserve its culture.
Israel's trying to do the same, but mostly its trying to protect its citizens from terrorism. that is the prime reason this law was enacted. the "demographic war" is not related.

* Denmark is a native European country Israel is one big settlement .

* I wonder why about your mixed marriages , how would you consider these peoples of yours that obviously stimulate and collaborate in terrorism ? Do you consider them traitors ?

what's your personal definition of 'colonist'?

create a settlement on inhabited land

moving to empty swampy lands or lands bought with money from owners is considered colonising too? (i feel you're moving away from the subject, as usual)

Im not into your usualities , nor is this moving away from the point that Israel is not a country like a European country is .

Buying some land from Turks does change the fact that the Turks sold you inhabited land .

You can quit playing Golda because your lies of uninhabited Israel are beyond any credibility . Any self-respecting historian knows that Palestine was inhabited pre-1948 by Arabs , as was it pre-1917 inhabited by Arabs who were Muslims , Jews and Christian (half of them) under Ottoman rule for hundreds of years .

How revisionist can you be ? Its not even 100 years ago man , its not like its all buried under the ground the evidence is everywhere . Who the hell are you trying to fool ?

Keep your Goebblism to yourself please .

please do. in return we'll post counter liks. lol. btw, bring up links dating before sept/00. obviously since the intifada started there has been much more tension between jews and arabs in israel... tho their rights have not been tempered with.

Counter links ? OMG this is completeley pathetic . What is this a role you are trying to play ? That of the ever-righteous zionist ? Get real man counterlinks bring in your lawbook and we will point the apartheid and racism stop playing these childish games with yourself .

Damn not even Arik would deny Arab inequality . And before the intifada ? What is that for kind of logic man , why not before 1900 ?

he was talking about jews in germany vs. arabs in israel

He mentiones jews were not allowed to have public jobs, palestiniens can. in carefull assertion that Arabs even have more rights than Jews wich is ridiculous .

why don't you check up on Japanese naturalization laws...

And why would I want to do that ?

Jews were highly parasitic toward Germany. I do not believe the same is true of the Palestinians; Jews came INTO Germany uninvited, but Palestinians were in Palestine before Jewry.

Denmark is a native European country Israel is one big settlement Says you. You are DEFINATLY not unbaist about this topic.

Im not into your usualities , nor is this moving away from the point that Israel is not a country like a European country is . Actually it is. There were people in england before the saxons or the Normans walked in. The mainland was seething with germanic tribes but these were conquered and occupied by a few of the strongest. The whole world is one colony atop another.

Christian Sodomy , why cant you just take their side man ?

Zionist and nazi's go great together . In the meantime you might wanna read a book : David Sorkin - The Transformation of German Jewry (http://www.oup-usa.org/isbn/0195065840.html) , because your "highly parasitic" demonization point is based on pretty much nothing .

Jews came INTO Germany uninvited, but Palestinians were in Palestine before Jewry.

* There is no question of relevancy how European-Jews came into Germany , as the difference over the years on the decisive moment , was a cultural (hardly even) one and not a racial one as always was claimed . If Germans were Aryans , so were most German-Jews .

* There is no question of relevancy weither Palestinians were in Palestine before Jewry , because there exists something like an Arab Jew who has lived in Palestine along with Arab Muslims and Arab Christians . The relevancy lies in the European Heburaim nationalists coming in and creating a new ideological race and its state .

Denmark is a native European country Israel is one big settlement Says you. You are DEFINATLY not unbaist about this topic.

Waht the hell has biasness to do with anything when we are dealing with the historical fact that Denmark has been around for hundreds of years while Israel has been created 55 years ago by european colonists , what the hell is your point in poitning out my supposed biasness ? Does that make Israel be there for the last 2000 years ?

Actually it is. There were people in england before the saxons or the Normans walked in. The mainland was seething with germanic tribes but these were conquered and occupied by a few of the strongest. The whole world is one colony atop another.

This colony is 55 years old and shall not survive as it simply has millions of peoples in "tribes" yet to conquer that are not cooporating . The colony simply wont be accepted , untill they have rooted everybody out . That happened in America , and we will see weither it will happen in Arabia as well

Ghassy.... how many years does it take for any newly founded country to become "real"? If not 50 years howabout 100? 200? 1000? Perhaps no country on earth is yet "real"? And after you pick a number of years will you please enlighten us ignorant heathens as to why you picked that number. (note sarcasm)

They will be real when they are at peace with their environment through friendly acceptation . At this moment they're not even being acknowledged as a state .

So I didnt pick a number your ignorant heathen :D

GK
why don't you stop using nasty language in your posts. we are debating arent we? and since you're not palestinian, your nastiness can only come from hate. so stop it, will ya?

re: definition of "colony"
*A group of people who have been institutionalized in a relatively remote area. that's what israel is. ((applies))
*A company of people transplanted from their mother country to a remote province or country, and remaining subject to the jurisdiction of the parent state ...((doesn't apply))
(source: dictionary.com)

your use and/or understanding of the word "colony" is loose and not accurate.

What nasty language would you be talking about Othead ?

And you dont mind if I make little out of your not-Palestinian/hate reasoning , do you ?

As for being a Palestinian , you might want to check the attached file . Perhaps you can inform yourself on some thing , but I doubt it :p

As for the Colonial definition , its not the attachement to a motherland that makes the issue disputable

And thanks for your contributions once again Othead

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/A/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1060144189926

the best editorial i've seen so far, defending this new temporary law.

u need to register to read the article.
a very interesting read.

Israel uses racial guilt as a weapon. And then turns on Palestinians.

i didn't quite understand what you were trying to say.
did you read the article?