So how did it go again ?

1)Israel wants terrorism to stop
2)Resistance announces Cease Fire (http://www.albawaba.com/news/index.php3?sid=252751&lang=e&dir=news)
3)Bush calls for dismanteling
4)Resistance trashes Bush (http://www.arabnews.com/?page=4&section=0&article=28053&d=27&m=6&y=2003)
5)Israel (http://www.albawaba.com/news/index.php3?sid=252772&lang=e&dir=news) does it themselves .

Whats it gonna be Arikie ? Civil war ? Syria ? Both ?

In anyway :

6)Resistance will retalliate
7)Israel & USA will point at "terrorists who dont want peace"
8)Abbas ? Bashar ? Rantisi ? Whats it gonna be ?

Bush urged the European Union at a US-EU summit on Saturday “to take swift, decisive action against terror groups such as Hamas, to cut off their funding and support, as the United States has done.”

...all the more money to pour back into the IDF eh Georgey?

I'd like to see the IDF have it's funding and support cut off.



The smaller resistance group, Islamic Jihad, called Bush’s statement “provocative” and aimed at giving Israel a free hand on the ground. “This is a provocative declaration and a green light (to Israel) to continue its assassinations, airstrikes, raids and crimes,” Islamic Jihad official Mohammad Al-Hindi said.

..what?...those fluffy cutey, scared wittle wabbits, aawwww....how can you say that? How can those hard done by oppressed zionists cause airstrikes, assasinations, and raids??
..I thought only those bad, nasty Arab terrorists do those things.

Al-Hindi said: “Bush doesn’t see (Israeli Prime Minister Ariel) Sharon’s crimes, he doesn’t acknowledge that assassinations are terrorism but he thinks that resisting the occupation is terrorism.”

off course, brown skinned, beard wearing Arab = terrorist,...god don't you know anything.

And guess what ?

Hamas decides to stop attacks against Israelis (http://www.albawaba.com/news/index.php3?sid=252784&lang=e&dir=news)

No whats the fascists response ? Im waiting ...............

So recapture :

1)Israel wants terrorism to stop
2)Resistance announces Cease Fire
3)Bush calls for dismanteling
4)Resistance trashes Bush
5)Israel does it themselves .

Nr 6 ? resistance acknowledges Cease fire

That means the predicted 6 failed , therefor the 7 & 8 are on delay . Whats it gonna be Israel , they wont retalliate .........

Kill more ? I think they will call AGAIN for dismantle and attack AGAIN . Yup , if 6 fails , just start over at 3 .

I'd like to see the IDF have it's funding and support cut off.

ID like to see them "dismantled" and deported to Gulag to go and ARBEIT for the peoples of Palestine .

Israel dosnt want peace? I guess thats ok because Palestine long since proved it didn't want peace either.

I want them to feel free to continue fighting as long as they do it by the rules.

Spoken just like someone who doesn't live there and is enjoying the spectacle as a spectator sport Clockwood.
:mad:

You move there first.
Wear a "God Bless America" t-shirt, walk around in the West Bank, and watch your life expectancy drop. Humor me. >:-)-

Who asked you to move? I said you were treating it like entertainment.

BTW, I got the perfect birthday gift for you right here (http://www.americanapologyshirt.com/). :)

A "Human apology Shirt" would be better.

Clock
I guess thats ok because Palestine long since proved it didn't want peace either.

Obviously they have announced cease fire , Israel attacked , and then they acknowledged the cease fire ..... and now ? They have what is necesarry , what will they do with it ?

Also , 1994 was the first suicide-attack , what about all those years before ? Israel murders and plunders and when after 40 years somebody starts to hit back , its the latter who doesnt want peace ?

I want them to feel free to continue fighting as long as they do it by the rules.

Grow up , there are no rules in love and war .

A "Human apology Shirt" would be better.

Why Human ? Most humans didnt do shit ......

hamas is nothing more than a death cult with no objectives.

a death cult whose actions have destroyed most of the infrastructure that ordinary palestinians have built since the Oslo agreement.

a death cult whose actions are the only obstacle for any negotiations to move forward.

a death cult who's stepped up the bombings as soon as negotiations take place (when there's no word of negotiations or peace talks everything's calm... the suicide bombings started when Oslo was starting to take shape, when Barak made the the biggest offer to date, etc.)

if israel is to conduct negotiations with the PA, then the PA should be the only armed force representing the palestinians.

a death cult whose actions have destroyed most of the infrastructure that ordinary palestinians have built since the Oslo agreement.

Ah yes Hamas destroyed PA infrastructure yes ? Not Israeli tanks & rockets no .........

Who are you kidding Zahyuni ?

the suicide bombings started when Oslo was starting to take shape

but but , you LIKED them somuch at first .........

What a load of crap you Zahyuni sabotage everything because you cant have a Palestinian state .

if israel is to conduct negotiations with the PA, then the PA should be the only armed force representing the palestinians

So why are you destroying the PA then ?

hamas this hamas that , all this while you liked them somuch at first , you still like them Zahyuni , you made them big . Just like LEHI & IRGUN got absorbed into the state (Heirut .... then LIKUD !!! Your government once was what Hamas is , only Nazi instead of Islamist) , so will Hamas and Islamic Jihad . They are the resistance of Palestine and they will not disarm untill there is a conventional state and a conventional militia they can merge into . Rather disarm Israel instead of their NUKES .

Jihad_AlifLamLamHah (need a hankie?): The guys Israel wants dead are within their own borders and thus safe from nuclear attacks. It dosn't even have any groups It would even want to give them to. Thus Israel can at least momentarily be trusted with nukes.

Everyone else: Can we give the Palestinians the option of moving to Iraq if the whole peace process dosn't work out soon?

No thank you Clock and how about we give the Zahyuni a nice little land in Siberia rather than shift around Natives for fascist needs ?

Thus Israel can at least momentarily be trusted with nukes.

They would use them in a second if they would have to and so would Arabs .

The difference between Arabs and Israeli with nukes is that the Arabs would nuke Israel and the Israeli would nuke Arabia . No difference ?

Yes , about 200 M peoples difference .

Originally posted by Clockwood
Israel dosnt want peace? I guess thats ok because Palestine long since proved it didn't want peace either.

I want them to feel free to continue fighting as long as they do it by the rules.

Trespassers and Parasites have no rights to SELF DEFENSE Clockwood, so why do you insist in making those absured remarks?

"By the rules?"

Steel Merkava tanks against stones.

F-16's with missiles against stones

.50 caliber heavy machineguns against stones.

Apache helicopter gunships against stones.

Hellfire/TOW antitank missiles against civilian flesh.

Yassir CLOCKWOOD, it's no wonder your bloody relatives haven't found any friends after 3,000 years of their usurias existence!

Abdulla...

Pssst, ever get your CLOCK CLEANED, you seem like an excellent candidate! :o

Ill make an exception to my ignore policy and respond to Abdulla.

Everyone currently living on earth is living on somebody elses land. Tribe A-attacks Tribe-B and takes their land. Empire-1 conquers Tribe-A. Empire-2 conquers Empire-1. Everyone is a victem and an agressor. Im sure palestinians werent the first group to herd goats in the region.

Is it that they were born there? Well some Isralis were born there too.

There has never even been a self-ruled palestinian state before even if you look back thousands of years. It has allways been ruled by somebody else as a state or province. Britain held the reigns a while back and passed them to Jewish refugees.

*pant pant*

Query: What would happen if some of the areas that may be given to the Palestinian Authority contain sizeable populations of Jewish citizens? In many Islamic countries it is illegal to practice other religions and you can be executed for either converting from Islam or trying to convince someone else to convert from Islam. Would the same happen in Palestine when (and if) authority is officially turned over?

Just trying to set my fears to rest.

What would happen if some of the areas that may be given to the Palestinian Authority contain sizeable populations of Jewish citizens?

That might become a problem

In many Islamic countries it is illegal to practice other religions and you can be executed for either converting from Islam or trying to convince someone else to convert from Islam.

Please dont shove every Muslim-country into the Islamic country pile you hold in your head as fundamentalist . Happens to be that i am Arab who comes from a Muslim family who has CHRISTIAN relatives .

Also happens to be that there is Christian impuls amongst Palestinian resistance .

Would the same happen in Palestine when (and if) authority is officially turned over?


So PA is fundamentalist yes ? They try to make it into one , by letting Hamas grow and grow while destroying PA infrastructure and making them bow down .

Originally posted by Clockwood
Query: What would happen if some of the areas that may be given to the Palestinian Authority contain sizeable populations of Jewish citizens? In many Islamic countries it is illegal to practice other religions and you can be executed for either converting from Islam or trying to convince someone else to convert from Islam. Would the same happen in Palestine when (and if) authority is officially turned over?

Just trying to set my fears to rest.

You guys just DON'T GIVE UP do you? :(

Palestine is for Palestinian's, finis!

All settlers must return to Brooklyn :) or be eradicated.....

Would you want to be knocking elbows with some zealot that thinks he's the apple in his G-D's eye while he murders and pillages your neighborhood?

Abdulla....

Jihad: Don't take it personally. I said many, not all or yours. I am just hoping Palestine dosnt end up like one of those fanatical fundamentalist countries that I WAS talking about.

Abdulla is the sort of guy I fear will rise in power in Palestine. The kind that wants genocide and stormtroopers and the like as long as they are on his side.

Don't take it personally. I said many, not all or yours. I am just hoping Palestine dosnt end up like one of those fanatical fundamentalist countries that I WAS talking about.

It all depends on many things and different perspectives (2 states-1 state) .

Anyways I wouldnt want fundamentalism either , but I do choose fundamentalism over zionism . If thats how its gotta be thats how its gotta be .

Abdulla is the sort of guy I fear will rise in power in Palestine

Yeah well Abdi right here is a Jew

The kind that wants genocide and stormtroopers and the like as long as they are on his side.


But you seem to be mistaken fundamnetalism for aggression , what if the postions shift (as I really really really hope) ? What if Hamas keeps to social activities and Fatah takes over the active resistance completely ? Surely fundamnetalism and activism go very much hand in hand , but thats just how the things fell into place this time , it doesnt depend on eachother , it doesnt need eachother .

Originally posted by Clockwood
Query: What would happen if some of the areas that may be given to the Palestinian Authority contain sizeable populations of Jewish citizens? In many Islamic countries it is illegal to practice other religions and you can be executed for either converting from Islam or trying to convince someone else to convert from Islam. Would the same happen in Palestine when (and if) authority is officially turned over?

Just trying to set my fears to rest.

clock, here's a little story that should help uyou distinguish between waht is islam and what contemporary Islamic countries practice.
When the Prophet Muhamed moved to Medina, a christian delegation travelled there to discuss various issues with the Prophet. The Prophet put them up in his Mosque (the original green domed building which still exisits today in medina, although it has been massively extended beyond the original structure)
When the Christians neede to pray, the head of the delegation approached the Prophet and asked them where they could do so, The Prophet replied saying they could have any corner of his mosque, and were free to pray there for as long as they were his guests.

Just what friggin fears u havin'?

Jooish terrorism has raised HAMAS to the position of GUARDIAN ANGEL'S

Much more than just that Abdi

Hamas is a creature of Israel which at the time of Prime Minister [Yitzhak] Shamir [the late 1980s, when Hamas arose], gave them money and more than 700 institutions, among them schools, universities and mosques. Even [former Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak] Rabin ended up admitting it, when I charged him with it, in the presence of [Egpytian President Hosni] Mubarak."


GOD BLESS HAMAS!

I really think they should trade positions with Fatah . It will screw absolutely everything for Arik .

i'm hearing some doubletalk from Mohammad al-Sahaf jr. and Jihad here.
u want only "palestinians" living in the future palestine... yet israel is a nazi state when 20% of its population is arab?
you'd like to kick out the jews out of future palestine but you squeal because jews [supposedly] did the same thing 55 yrs ago?
how typical of you.

but anyway,
who cares about the history? you believe what's convenient for you and your ppl, and i believe what's convenient for me and my ppl.

the point is that israel is a state, we have a strong army, we [probably] have nukes, we've contributed in so many ways to society... not only israelis, but jews in the diaspora.
medically, artistically, technologically,..... etc.
one tiny country (with all the shit it's been going thru) contributed more to humanity than the entire middle east with their holy Qur'an. the only thing arabs did was to enslave the west with oil. other than that? ... cant think of anything. well, algebra. yea. THANK YOU for that. that was 1000's of years ago anyway.

israelis will protect their only refuge on the planet, their sovereignty and their holy sites until the last one is standing. no abdul jabar mustafa with explosives is gonna chase us out.
you can rewrite history all you want. u aint getting us out of our land.

bye bye and have a nice day

u want only "palestinians" living in the future palestine... yet israel is a nazi state when 20% of its population is arab?

There is a moral difference between the 2 states that should be expressed politically .

because jews [supposedly] did the same thing 55 yrs ago?

1)Not Jews THOSE Jews .
2)"supposedly" ? :mad: I KNOW peoples who have been through this personally you scumbag Zahyuni .
3)Not JUST what they did 55 years ago . What they did 26 years ago as well , and what they are doing every day : violently oppressing the indegious population of entire Palestine .

who cares about the history?

In what context ? In deciding morality ? I do , thing is its not justhistory its actual just as well .

you believe what's convenient for you and your ppl, and i believe what's convenient for me and my ppl.

How about whats conveniant for
1)most peoples
2)morally right peoples
3)oppressed peoples

3XPalestine

Also , I assume this comment was only against me ? Your Al Sahaf right there is a Jew just like you , Jerry .

we've contributed in so many ways to society...

Many Ashkenazim have contributed alot especially on intellectual level , but mostly to Western society .

not only israelis, but jews in the diaspora.

Israeli's ?

one tiny country (with all the shit it's been going thru) contributed more to humanity than the entire middle east with their holy Qur'an

See how you show your true self ? While I admire the Torah and Jewish culture (be it Hebrew or Yiddish) , all you can do is talk crap about shit you dont even know of or understand in any way .

the only thing arabs did was to enslave the west with oil.

Excuse me ? Enslave the West with oil ? If the Arabs enslaved the West with oil then HOW THE HELL ARE YOU EXISTING ?

other than that? ... cant think of anything. well, algebra. yea. THANK YOU for that. that was 1000's of years ago anyway.

See what an idiot you are , you are a true anti-semite not even appreciating your ADAPTED semitical culture . As someone who has no semitical culture whatsoever other than perhaps some knowledge of a semitical language combined with stupidity shouldnt make it hard to speak in the way that you do about Arabic culture . What did you do and your Odessa ? Man you know shit about Arabic culture , your words are of no value whatsoever .

And the motivations of your words shows your emotional and biased understanding of everything .....so then it comes down to :

israelis will protect their only refuge on the planet, their sovereignty and their holy sites until the last one is standing.

even I would accept their zionist existence , but only when demands are met .

If not ...... well then Aleha HaShalom in his grave for the Zahyuni .

no abdul jabar mustafa with explosives is gonna chase us out.

What if they're called Joshua or Nancy ? No no Shlomo , you know thats not even how it works . You know very well who brought down Ze'evi your filthy fascist .

you can rewrite history all you want. u aint getting us out of our land.

Not re-writing anything that is correctly written , and YOUR land ? You didnt even colonize it yet with your Alyiah (I really really hate your use of this beautifull name) , and its YOURS ? Come and take it then ......... we will make sure that we sent someone over with the key to your new appartment :
http://www.123.cl/canales/noticias/img/hamas.gif

If there's no Palestinian state 10 years from know there will be an entirely militant generation willing to die for your removal Zahyuni . How long do you think you're gonna stand it ?

buddy, are you for real?
you seem to be educated in the western world..... yet your thought pattern is that of a typical dude born and raised on the saudi school curriculum. or better yet, the "palestinian" school curriculum.

you're talking about what's "morally right"???
keep posting those pictures with them keys, buddy.

"And the motivations of your words shows your emotional and biased understanding of everything"
it describes you more than it describes me. how am i emotional and biased?

you say you admire the jewish culture. that's cause there's something to admire. i admire middle eastern food and music and bellydancing (remember, i'm from the middle east). but what have they (arab / muslim world) contributed technologically / medically to humanity?

don't just dismiss me with "all you can do is talk crap about shit you dont even know of or understand in any way".
gimme some examples.

oh btw, a few hours ago an IDF doctor delivered a "palestinian" woman's baby at a checkpoint near Qalqilya.

but what have they (arab / muslim world) contributed technologically / medically to humanity?

How about hospitals, astronomy, mathematics and coffee for a start?

oh btw, a few hours ago an IDF doctor delivered a "palestinian" woman's baby at a checkpoint near Qalqilya.
Why a checkpoint and not a hospital?

you seem to be educated in the western world..... yet your thought pattern is that of a typical dude born and raised on the saudi school curriculum. or better yet, the "palestinian" school curriculum.

They educate Jews there as well ? I know quite some Jewish peoples who have exactly the same trail of thought when it comes to this entire Israel thing , and its not based on religious grounds either .

you're talking about what's "morally right"???


Yup . You on the other hand didnt do your ethics 101 yet .

it describes you more than it describes me. how am i emotional and biased?

So you didnt say this ?
i believe what's convenient for me and my ppl.

you say you admire the jewish culture. that's cause there's something to admire. i admire middle eastern food and music and bellydancing (remember, i'm from the middle east). but what have they (arab / muslim world) contributed technologically / medically to humanity?

I honestly wouldnt know , you see I care little for it . I obviously do not hold the same things for a value to be admired like you do . And you're not from the middle east you're somewhere in North America (Canada prob) while you have your origins in Odessa or so , dont lie .

don't just dismiss me with "all you can do is talk crap about shit you dont even know of or understand in any way".
gimme some examples.

What examples do you want ? Tell me and Ill give them

oh btw, a few hours ago an IDF doctor delivered a "palestinian" woman's baby at a checkpoint near Qalqilya.

That is a very nice thing to do from his side . Human emotion does not only destroy everything , it can solve everything as well .

Sparks :
Why a checkpoint and not a hospital?

He would answer , that is not the IDF-doctor's fault . The game of shoving around responsibility untill it magically dissapeared is their mentality . If you cant form a responsible untity you shouldnt be considered a state .