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Original thread title: Israel helps rescue Arabs in Saudi desert

Israel helps rescue Arabs in Saudi desert.

http://www.israeltoday.co.il/default.aspx?tabid=178&nid=10989

Israel helps rescue Arabs in Saudi desert

The Israeli Foreign Ministry was able to assist in the rescue of 47 Israeli Arabs who got stuck in the vast desert of Saudi Arabia for 10 hours. The travelers were on their way back to Israel after visiting the holy city of Mecca for the traditional Hajj pilgrimage. The group of Israeli Arab pilgrims were all residents of the village of Yafia near Nazareth and included men, women, and children. On their way back from Mecca, their bus broke down in the middle of the desert, a distance of about 200 kilometers from north of the city.

The driver of the broken down bus had promised the group that another bus would come to replace the broken one and take them home, but nothing happened and the Israelis had to wait there for almost eight hours.

After hours of waiting, one of the travelers called the tour operator in Israel, who called the Foreign Ministry in Jerusalem. The Foreign Ministry quickly phoned the Israeli embassy in Amman, Jordan. The embassy quickly found a helpful hand at the Jordanian royal palace. The Jordanians quickly called the Saudi royal palace in Riyadh, who promised to take care of the urgent situation.

After only two hours since the initial phone call to Israel, Saudi police forces arrived on the scene in the middle of the desert and rescued the Israeli pilgrims from the billowing desert.

If I am not mistaken, about 20% of Israelis are Arabs.


Myths & Facts - Human Rights in Israel and the Territories, Today, within Israel, Jews are a majority, but the Arab minority are full citizens who enjoy equal rights. Arabs are represented in the Knesset, ... (http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/myths/mf18.html) (Any dicrimination against Arabs OVER Jews inside Israel is strictly prohibited, Even at the high times that Israel faces constant threats by many of it's Arab citizens of Israel aiding terrorists.

They must have had some arrrangements, because the apartheid in the Arab world is not just about "discrimination" & far beyond any equality issues of course, like a minimum entry for Jews in S. Arabia - Power Line: No Jews allowed (http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/009420.php), let alone have citizenship and ANY rights.
The same goes to Palestine, no Jewish residents allowed to RESIDE. A Judenrein Palestine? -The same people and countries that condemned ethnic cleansing in the Balkans, Cyprus, Rwanda ... (http://hnn.us/roundup/entries/2940.html)


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Facts aside, no matter the reality of dicriminations, not only in the Arab world but even in the west:
http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761573635/Discrimination.html Dicrimination against women in the US

http://www.womenandequalityunit.gov.uk/legislation/discrimination_act.htm Dicrimination against women in the UK

WOMEN’S ANTI-DISCRIMINATION COMMITTEE TAKES UP AUSTRALIA’S REPORT - WOMEN’S ANTI-DISCRIMINATION COMMITTEE TAKES UP AUSTRALIA’S REPORT, EXPERTS PRAISE WIDE-RANGING GENDER EQUALITY PROGRAMMES.
http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2006/wom1535.doc.htm Dicrimination against women in the Australia

The Spinney Press: discrimination and rights Links, Australian women's achievements, rights, representation and roles; history of women's movement; sex discrimination; women's roles in politics.
http://www.spinneypress.com.au/discrimination_rights_link.html

American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee: ADC Condemns UK ...Washington, DC | August 10, 2006 | Today the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee (ADC) participated in a conference call, initiated by the ...
http://www.adc.org/index.php?id=2921

Discrimination against Arab AmericansDiscrimination against Arab Americans and Other Middle Eastern Groups. There are about 4 million Arab Americans in the U.S., which is about 2% of the ...
http://faculty.ncwc.edu/TOConnor/soc/355lect14.htm


Documentation on Discrimination - Arabs and Australia, Documentation For Minority: Arabs In country/region: Australia ... national consultations on eliminating prejudice against Arab and Muslim Australians
http://www.antiracism-info.org/Public/z_mc_A_Arabs_Docs.php?term=Australia

BBC NEWS | World | Europe | French Muslims face job discriminationWide discrimination against French Muslims in the job market is feeding ... has no black or Arab TV presenters, and all MPs from mainland France are white.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4399748.stm


Israel still gets a bad rap.
I bet those with prejudice aginst Israelis will find even in it's humantarian aid some flaws...

Are Muslim marriages performed in Israel recognised as legal?

Of course, I am puzzeled by your question.

What's your point?

They probably had to try another way to enter Israel because of the wall and got lost.

Of course, I am puzzeled by your question.

Well I read this:
http://www.newhumanist.org.uk/volume117issue2_more.php?id=254_0_13_0_C
The limitation of the right of marriage. People who are secular, or couples of different religions, are not able to get civil marriages in Israel. For them the solution is either to convert or to compromise their ideals and beliefs or to travel abroad to get married.

I just wondered if it applied to Muslims as well.

They probably had to try another way to enter Israel because of the wall and got lost.Saudi Arabia to Build Apartheid Wall http://reddit.com/info/4ep3/comments

Well I read this:
http://www.newhumanist.org.uk/volume117issue2_more.php?id=254_0_13_0_C


I just wondered if it applied to Muslims as well.

how lovely. civil marriage have a problem in israel, no matter who you are(jewish,arab,christian etc.)-but this link talks about palestinians only.
whos the racist here?

Saudi Arabia to Build Apartheid Wall http://reddit.com/info/4ep3/comments

Not to fence out it's own citizenry

Well I read this:
... .
Funny that you would CHOOSE to read this? Are you looking for flaws in Israel? Why?

how lovely. civil marriage have a problem in israel, no matter who you are(jewish,arab,christian etc.)-but this link talks about palestinians only.
whos the racist here?

Secular humanists are racists? I thought they were atheists.

Funny that you would CHOOSE to read this? Are you looking for flaws in Israel? Why?

Do you consider this a flaw? Why?

btw, welcome back Kiwibyanothername ;)

you should know your posting style is very very individual, even before post number 21. :D

Humanists can not be racists?

Have we chat before? amcdkey ?
Why would you rply to a rescue mission with an off subject matter of marriage? Do you think that the article you "found" on that page marks it not as a flaw?

Humanists can not be racists?

Of course they can, especially when they are not permitted to marry. Oh those anti-Semites who refuse to live in sin or travel abroad to get married. What can you do with such people?:confused:

wow, humanists are anti semites? how do you know that?

Have we chat before? amcdkey ?
Why would you rply to a rescue mission with an off subject matter of marriage? Do you think that the article you "found" on that page marks it not as a flaw?

So its a flaw because its on a "racist" website?

Does that mean the information is not true?

And yes we have chat before. Which is why I am so familiar with your particular modus operandi. :)

wow, humanists are anti semites? how do you know that?

well you said racist and we're talking about Israel. What else could you mean? Aren't Jews Semites? :confused:

I did not conclude that they are racist, maybe they are, what I said was: they CAN be racist just like anyone else.
You have not answered why would you CHOOSE that piece at a matter of rescuing Arabs.
Only after your off topic reply I edited the main/first head top in in the thread.
As to "antisemites" I am quite careful until I brand someone as such.

I did not conclude that they are racist, maybe they are, what I said was: they CAN be racist just like anyone else.
You have not answer why would you CHOSE that pice at a matter of rescuing Arabs.
Only after your off topic reply I edited the main/first head topin in the thread.

Oh dear, I'm sorry Kiwi. I did not mean to make you feel defensive. OTOH, after your editing all my posts are now on-topic. Thanks.:)

So is the information true or not? You didn't say.

Is that the fruit you like? How about an orange?

Secular humanists are racists? I thought they were atheists.

i caught you on your period today?

Still samcdkey:

You have not answered why would you CHOOSE that piece at a matter of rescuing Arabs.

Are you blindly prejudiced against all Israelis?

i caught you on your period today?:) not bad

:) not bad

sam didnt post any serious reply for about 8 posts now. i am curious in to why is the reason for this.

Still samcdkey:

You have not answered why would you CHOOSE that piece at a matter of rescuing Arabs.

Are you blindly prejudiced against all Israelis?

There is that better? Now we can both see it?

Well the topic was rescuing Israeli Arabs. I wondered if they went out of Israel to get married.

sam didnt post any serious reply for about 8 posts now. i am curious in to why is the reason for this.

I don't take Kiwi seriously. I have a feeling he doesn't take himself seriously either.:p

No offense, Sounds like an excuse of fantasy land. hajj is to get married?

samd i like oranges.

No offense, Sounds like an excuse of fantasy land. hajj is to get married?

Oh sorry. Your posts are so long I just read the thread title.

samd i like oranges.

I bet you do!!!!:D

may i call you orange?

may i call you orange?

Only if you promise not to squeeze me.:D

:) You mean sqeueezing the peel?, I hate that...

If I am not mistaken, about 20% of Israelis are Arabs.Really? Is that true? So what's the other 80%? Germanic? ;)

Yet Another kiwi sockpuppet. You zionists are having some trouble getting your message across to be so desperate.

Long Live the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine!!!

You zionists are

.... Palestine!!!So I gather, you must be a radical fanatical Palestinian, How do you know I am a Zionist? maybe I am not for settlements?

Really? Is that true? So what's the other 80%? your question shows that you do not know Israel.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3345830,00.html The data revealed that at the end of 2006, 76 percent of Israel's residents were Jewish (5,393,600 people) 20 percent were Arabs (1,413,500 people) and 4 percent were of other nationalities (309,100 people).

Can I call you orange?

Only if you promise not to squeeze me.:D


Oranges are not just for "juice"...

So I gather, you must be a radical fanatical Palestinian, How do you know I am a Zionist? maybe I am not for settlements?People of all nationalities across the globe support the Palestinians over the zionist terrorists. You don't have to be Arab to see the rogue party here.:rolleyes: Typical of the israelite; If you oppose the zionist junta you are a Palestinian. Couldn't be more wrong. I'm a 6th generation American of Swedish, Dutch and English descent.

are you saying that the majority of humanity that opposes jihadi terrror is zionist?

are you saying that the majority of humanity that opposes jihadi terrror is zionist?I'm saying armed opposition to Israel does not equal jihadism. Also that there are millions around the globe that oppose Israeli policies. A MINORITY supports the stein rogue state. How many Christian conservatives are there and how many Jews are there? I rest my case.

When was Palestine ever a sovereign nation?

When was Palestine ever a sovereign nation?Never. The Ottoman Turks occupied after Rome, then the British and now the US and their zionist welfare recipients. There was no Jew homeland until 1947.

extremist-genji, you are pushing me, OK, i willl go futher, since you asked for that... you sound extremely racist, to say that if someone tries to survive against racist radical islamic terrorists is a "racist".
Next time you see a policeman chasing down a mass murderer down the street, you will call him a "rogue/racist'?

When was Palestine ever a sovereign nation?Never, never an Arab palestine,but there was a Jewish-Israel long ago.

I'm saying armed opposition to Israel does not equal jihadism. Also that there are millions around the globe that oppose Israeli policies.

So are you suggesting that few people around the world should tell sovereign nations what to do and how to do it??

And if those nations don't do what they say, then it's okay to kill women and children to force them to do it??

Baron Max

It was the Jewish homeland for centuries, a sovereign nation, and now it is again.

One could argue that the Holy Land rightfully belongs to its first inhabitants, the Canaanites, but who goes by that handle these days?

extremist-genji, you are pushing me, OK, i willl go futher, since you asked for that... you sound extremely racist, to say that if someone tries to survive against racist radical islamic terrorists is a "racist".
Next time you see a policeman chasing down a mass murderer down the street, you will call him a "rogue/racist'?I support a secular socialist Palestine. Jew supremacy and apartheid must be defeated at all costs. You, my friend, are the racist. Judaism is a faith, not a race. Arab is a race, not a faith. I've been here awhile, looks like you are the one that needs to adapt, no?

Here is more for genji, for pushing me more...

http://www.sullivan-county.com/x/natives.htm Arabs in the Holyland "natives" or ALIENS?

You Genj, how you gonna get the Muslims to throw away their Korans?

the only ones using the singular "jew" for jews-plural & for inventing that fantasy of supremacy by jews are the real SUPREMACISTS i.e. the Nazis.

Though there is a sepremacist Islamic movement to 'dominate the world' over the apes & pigs... (term reserved for Christians & Jews, especially among Palestinian militant mullahs on their TV)& over "cows" (Muslim sheik Hamza's term for non Jews)

Then again Israel is a secular democracy, like any western democracy, the system has nothing to do with "religion" or other.

It was the Jewish homeland for centuries, a sovereign nation, and now it is again.

One could argue that the Holy Land rightfully belongs to its first inhabitants, the Canaanites, but who goes by that handle these days?No. Palestine was never a Jew homeland. There were a small population of them there but in '47 Eastern Europe and the USSR filled Palestine with Jews.
Because your holy book says jews are entitled to land does not mean it is true or just. The US paid for the apartheid zionist state and they have never been capable of swimming independently since.

You Genj, how you gonna get the Muslims to throw away their Korans?Using an enemy to destroy a greater enemy is the idea. Religion is weakened by education and quality living conditions. Easy to achieve with all the welfare I and my country pay annually to keep the zionists on the conquest.

Culture of Hate A racism which denies the history and sufferings of its victims. ... Arab racism consists of calling the Land of Israel, Arab land
http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/comment-yeor080202.asp

Here is more for genji, for pushing me more...

http://www.sullivan-county.com/x/natives.htm Arabs in the Holyland "natives" or ALIENS?Boring/Amusing at the same time. Seen it before little one.:rolleyes:

Culture of Hate A racism which denies the history and sufferings of its victims. ... Arab racism consists of calling the Land of Israel, Arab land
http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/comment-yeor080202.aspDeath to Israel!

The IMMIGRATIUON - no one talks about it:


The Smoking Gun: Arab Immigration into Palestine, 1922-1931
www.meforum.org/article/522

Who turned the Holy Land into an oasis, the Jews or the Arabs?

And the Jews ruled the land for about 700 years, the Palestinians never did.

Death to I... Allah Akbar, now you are a one holy good Muslim that serves the Ummah... over the COWS.
You see?
I do NOT call "death to palestinians".

Who turned the Holy Land into an oasis, the Jews or the Arabs?

And the Jews ruled the land for about 700 years, the Palestinians never did.American Tax Dollars turned Occupied Palestine into an oasis.

Who turned the Holy Land into an oasis, the Jews or the Arabs?

And the Jews ruled the land for about 700 years, the Palestinians never did.it seems that this guy genji is a radical jihadi racist calling for 'death of is...' so he will NOT listen to true history anyhow.

Allah Akbar, now you are a one holy good Muslim that serves the Ummah... over the COWS.
You see?
I do NOT call "death to palestinians".
But I call for the death of the state of Israel. I'm an atheist btw.:)

it seems that this guy genji is a radical jihadi racist calling for 'death of is...' so he will NOT listen to true history anyhow.Riiiight. The zionist apologist ALWAYS has the truth.:rolleyes: Please.

RACISM by Militant Arab "ethiests" are inspoired by ISLAMISM, since that IS their background, long true factor.

"Death to Israel?" Genji, you and your ilk's arms aren't long enough, but dream on.

ice, i am glad that people like him say it out loud, they expose their garbage in public.

Militant Arab "ethiests" are inspoired by ISLAMISM, since that IS their background, long true factor.I'm a Communist. We oppose religious apartheid and organized religion. Your racist Muslim baiting is typical....

Hey Genj, if you don't care about Islam either, then why do you support their vow to destroy Israel?

"Death to Israel?" Genji, you and your ilk's arms aren't long enough, but dream on.All it would take is an end to the welfare checks, then she sinks. Only been around 60 years iceicebaby. Where do you find such confidence in it's staying power? Is that in the holy book too?:p

But I call for the death of the state I So? you have no shame!

Hitler was proud & Ahmadinejad, Hamas, Nassrallah are also proud.

Hey Genj, if you oppose organized religion, then let's see some of your hate spewed on Islam, aren't you fair, don't you agree that Islam has caused much suffering as they evangelize by the sword?

Hey Genj, if you don't care about Islam either, then why do you support their vow to destroy Israel?Because I agree with them. There are Many more elements opposed to Israel in the Arab world besides fundies you know, or did they not teach that in Sunday school?

Hey Genj, if you oppose organized religion, then let's see some of your hate spewed on Islam, aren't you fair, don't you agree that Islam has caused much suffering as they evangelize by the sword?
Yoy wouldn't catch 'Muslim supremacist genji.' attacking the UMMAH

Hey Genj, Ezekial 39 will give you food for thought, or are you one of those who says the Bible is not a book of correct prophecies?

Hey Genj, if you oppose organized religion, then let's see some of your hate spewed on Islam, aren't you fair, don't you agree that Islam has caused much suffering as they evangelize by the sword?I've spit at Islam plenty, back when the Soviets liberated Afghanistan from US backed Islamic radicals that would later be the Taliban. The USSR closed their mosques and imprisoned their leaders. As did other Leftist governments.

Hey Genj, why do you support Islamic ideology is you are supposedly an atheist?

Do you "spit" on palestinian Muslims using their kids as human shields against Israeli innocent civilians?
nah.

D H I M M I :: Coalition for the Defense of Human Rights(III) Radical Islamism Imposes an Inferior Status on All Non-Muslims and the ... Seek to Establish the Supremacy of their Version of Islam Over all Other ...
www.dhimmi.com/durban.htm

I So? you have no shame!

Hitler was proud & Ahmadinejad, Hamas, Nassrallah are also proud.I prefer Najibullah, Assad, Qadafi and George Habash myself. Remember? I'm opposed to religion.

Oh, so you favor forced atheism, Genj, that idea went down the tubes, didn't you hear?

Hey Genj, why do you support Islamic ideology is you are supposedly an atheist?:confused: WTF? Supporting the end of Israel doesn't mean I'm a Muslim:rolleyes: More bullshit bait from sister christian. AGAIN! It is possible to oppose Israel and zionism without being a Muslim.

I prefer Najibullah, Assad, Qadafi and George Habash myself. Remember? I'm opposed to religion.
still you are demon obsessed to denegrate jews or the "JEW' as you so NAZI-like prefer to call it.
Anyone can read that "where you are coming from".

Oh, so you favor forced atheism, Genj, that idea went down the tubes, didn't you hear?Time will reveal whom is right here...

Do you "spit" on palestinian Muslims using their kids as human shields against Israeli innocent civilians?
nah.Liberation by any means necessary. I cheer the Freedom Bombers.

Muslims and atheists don't like that God selected the Jews to use for His plan for humanity, but they'll get over it eventually.

still you are demon obsessed to denegrate jews or the "JEW' as you so NAZI-like prefer to call it.
Anyone can read that "where you are coming from".Yeah, it's an opinion independent of the zionist lobby. Unusual huh? Sounds like you need a drink:)

Is there a nation on the planet with forced atheism?

Muslims and atheists don't like that God selected the Jews to use for His plan for humanity, but they'll get over it eventually.Stay on your knees and do your holy voodoo, it makes Genji laugh!!!

Hey Genj, where would you have the Jews of Israel to live?

Ah yes, the great Genji, ahahahaha.

Is there a nation on the planet with forced atheism?
Myanmar
China
Cuba
North Korea
Laos
Vietnam
Japan has more non believers than any other industrial nation.

Hey Genj, where would you have the Jews of Israel to live?Back in Central Europe and Russia where the majority originated. Or Antarctica. If they truly are "chosen" God will fix things for them. We all know they are incapable of functioning without handouts.

Do they enforce atheism in Japan?

The other countries are not high on people's "move to" list, would you agree?

Ah yes, the great Genji, ahahahaha.
Thank You Thank You! You should see me naked!!;)

Liberation by any means necessary. I cheer the Freedom Bombers.
Again I will continue in the tone that you have poushed/set forward, for the sake of the argument.

What "freedom"? Islamic Palestinians Hamas want freedom? for whom??? what an Irony.

What kind of "free society" of Sharia & dictatorship without even any free speech of the planned hamas version of palestine are you supporting/
What a hypocorisy, you racists always hide your hatred under "worry for palestinians' crap!

Why not support the freedom fighters (mostly secular & then some religious) Jews from Islamists that are surrounding the captive democratic Israelis by siege?

If the Arabs would be nice and trade with their prosperous and industrious neighbor, Israel, then things would be better for all in the Middle East.

Do they enforce atheism in Japan?

The other countries are not high on people's "move to" list, would you agree?No. They have religions such as Shinto, etc but the overwhelming majority of Japanese are intelligent enough in their modern society to not need a mystical crutch to get through life.

I bet you run around naked alot.

If the Arabs would be nice and trade with their prosperous and industrious neighbor, Israel, then things would be better for all in the Middle East.
of course Arab world's vicious boycott campaign against Israel for so long is nothing but blind hatred.

Hey Genj, why don't you move to North Korea to learn from the master?

Again I will continue in the tone that you have poushed/set forward, for the sake of the argument.

What "freedom"? Islamic Palestinians Hamas want freedom? for whom??? what an Irony.

What kind of "free society" of Sharia & dictatorship without even any free speech of the planned hamas version of palestine are you supporting/
What a hypocorisy, you racists always hide your hatred under "worry for palestinians' crap!

Why not support the freedom fighters (mostly secular & then some religious) Jews from Islamists that are surrounding the captive democratic Israelis by siege?More blathering hogwash. NEXT!

Hey Genj, why don't you move to North Korea to learn from the master?I'm a Trotskykist, not a Stalinist.

that the (SINGULAR) word "Jew" is often used in an anti-Semitic context. ...
http://ethics.sandiego.edu/lmh/op-ed/google/googleethics.asp

I bet you run around naked alot.Only in the shower and at WalMart.

that the word "Jew" is often used in an anti-Semitic context. ...
http://ethics.sandiego.edu/lmh/op-ed/google/googleethics.aspAshamed of your faith?? Sounds like it. I would be as well.

This thread is doing WONDERS for my postcount!!!

Again I will continue in the tone that you have poushed/set forward, for the sake of the argument.

What "freedom"? Islamic Palestinians Hamas want freedom? for whom??? what an Irony.

What kind of "free society" of Sharia & dictatorship without even any free speech of the planned hamas version of palestine are you supporting/
What a hypocorisy, you racists always hide your hatred under "worry for palestinians' crap!

Why not support the freedom fighters (mostly secular & then some religious) Jews from Islamists that are surrounding the captive democratic Israelis by siege?
More blathering hogwash. NEXT!You mean to say that you KNOW you lost the argument.

Again I will continue in the tone that you have poushed/set forward, for the sake of the argument.

What "freedom"? Islamic Palestinians Hamas want freedom? for whom??? what an Irony.

What kind of "free society" of Sharia & dictatorship without even any free speech of the planned hamas version of palestine are you supporting/
What a hypocorisy, you racists always hide your hatred under "worry for palestinians' crap!

Why not support the freedom fighters (mostly secular & then some religious) Jews from Islamists that are surrounding the captive democratic Israelis by siege?
You mean to say that you KNOW you lost the argument.I was nice enough to present my opinion. Your side seems to think there should be no opposition to zionist Israel. You need to know you are not loved by all, not even close.

Dear "humble"... pro-jihad genji, You were "nice" enough to wish it DEATH.

ashamed of.. faith... I would be as well.
Is that why you LIE that you are a "secular'' MUSLIM?

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I am proud, btw.

Dear "humble"... pro-jihad genji, You were "nice" enough to wish it DEATH.A Bright one you are!! Yaaaaaaay!!!!

Is that why you LIE that you are a "secular'' MUSLIM?

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I am proud, btw.I'm an atheist. I don't believe in gods and devils. You have to believe in god to be a Muslim. You need to catch up on some reading before embarrassing yourself like this. You have my pity friend.

Still I am NOT an Islamic Arab "secular" and not-as-bright-as-you-are-dear-jihadi, I do NOT call for death to anyone.

I'm an atheist.
you showed your loyalty, the rest is waste. as I said racist radical 'secular arabs' are inspired by Islamism.

Which of those communist nations which you cited, Genji, follow Trotsky's teachings?

Still I am NOT an Islamic Arab "secular" and not-as-bright-as-you-are-dear-jihadi, I do NOT call for death to anyone.That's hilarious coming from a judeo-fascist. :p

Which of those communist nations which you cited, Genji, follow Trotsky's teachings?Not all of them are Communist. And NONE have a Trotsyist government. Stalin destroyed the Bolshevik Revolution and distorted Marxism tremendously.

Bogus, what is that? do I call to dominate over other religions like you support the Jihadists FACSISTS?
CALIPHATE, anyone???

Bogus, what is that? do I call to dominate over other religions like you support the Jihadists FACSISTS?
CALIPHATE, anyone???Spelling error! You are a judeo-fascist, as is Israel. Admitting your problem is the 1st step toward healing.

Which of those communist nations which you cited, Genji, follow Trotsky's teachings?
He goes now by "trotzky"? is that a another lie on his list of "actors -role-playing"?.

, Admitting your problem is the 1st step toward healing.
oh boy to be healed from an ISLAMOFASCIST (going by "ethiest") can only make an healthy man SICK.
BTW, Since you are not only an Islamofascist but also claim to be bright.
What is the connection to SECULAR Israel & "judaism"?

Then again, FASCISTS like you, have branded the term "fascism" on your very victims, old news!

He goes now by "trotzky"? is that a another lie on his list of "actors -role-playing"?.Someone that doesn't embrace the star of david and LOOK at the treatment he gets from the peace loving Jews.:rolleyes:

Been fun but I'm at work and need to....do some work. Be back in about an hour! Happy Holocaust!!!!

So you're saying that your Trotskyism, practiced by no nation, will be become the dominant force in the world, in your life-time, or are your reeeeeeeal patient?

"Happy Holocaust?"

Will you forgive me that I do not shout "death to palestine" like you ISLAMOFASCIST do on Israel?

Been fun but I'm at work and need to....do some work. Be back in about an hour! Happy Holocaust!!!!I knew you lost the argument from the beginning, thanks for showing your ISLAMIC-HITLER-AHMADINEJAD-HOLOCAUST-CAMPAIGN on your way out.

When you decide that you have an answer or "back from work"... try answering:

1)

BTW, Since you are not only an Islamofascist but also claim to be bright.
What is the connection to SECULAR Israel & "judaism"?

Then again, FASCISTS like you, have branded the term "fascism" on your very victims, old news!

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2)
This part you tried to shove away...

When you claimed that your racist motivation is purely as "freedom for palestinian freedom fighters"...

What "freedom"? Islamic Palestinians Hamas want freedom? for whom??? what an Irony.

What kind of "free society" of Sharia & dictatorship without even any free speech of the planned hamas version of "Palestine" are they supporting?

Abbas is also not the best choice, he is no better than those typical Arab non-free societies.

What a hypocrisy, those anti-Israel racists always hide their hatred under "worry for Palestinians" crap!

Why not support the freedom fighters Jews, the tiny oasis called Israel from vicious bloodthirsty Islamists that are surrounding the captive democratic Israelis by siege?
Let alone choking it with longest boycott campaign, the international Islamic Arab anti-Israel lobby drive by threats & by force.
But the enemies of Israel & it's citizens wish either "push them all to the sea", or other options to to wipe it all off! a question of survival not "freedom" for a people!!!

It is odd that tiny Israel, the size of New Jersey, which only wants to live in peace, receives such treatment from the Arab world, truly absurd.

Who's threatening whom?

http://www.masada2000.org/isr-world.gif

I knew you lost the argument from the beginning, thanks for showing your ISLAMIC-HITLER-AHMADINEJAD-HOLOCAUST-CAMPAIGN on your way out.

When you decide that you have an answer or "back from work"... try answering:

1)

BTW, Since you are not only an Islamofascist but also claim to be bright.
What is the connection to SECULAR Israel & "judaism"?

Then again, FASCISTS like you, have branded the term "fascism" on your very victims, old news!

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2)
This part you tried to shove away...

When you claimed that your racist motivation is purely as "freedom for palestinian freedom fighters"...

What "freedom"? Islamic Palestinians Hamas want freedom? for whom??? what an Irony.

What kind of "free society" of Sharia & dictatorship without even any free speech of the planned hamas version of "Palestine" are they supporting?

Abbas is also not the best choice, he is no better than those typical Arab non-free societies.

What a hypocrisy, those anti-Israel racists always hide their hatred under "worry for Palestinians" crap!

Why not support the freedom fighters Jews, the tiny oasis called Israel from vicious bloodthirsty Islamists that are surrounding the captive democratic Israelis by siege?
Let alone choking it with longest boycott campaign, the international Islamic Arab anti-Israel lobby drive by threats & by force.
But the enemies of Israel & it's citizens wish either "push them all to the sea", or other options to to wipe it all off! a question of survival not "freedom" for a people!!!Actually, I do have to work for a living. Are you on a US financed kibbutz?? I don't have a pc so I can only get online here, at work. People like you are all over this site. I have nothing to fear from cowering, hand wringing, whining Judeo-fascists.

An Islamofascist must be a Muslim with extremist, supremacist beliefs. They include the Taliban, Islamic Party of God and other fundamentalist Muslim movements representing a minority of Arabs and south Asians. If you think branding me an Islamofascist upsets me you're wrong. It's the same as some ass calling me a Christian fundamentalist. Makes zero sense.

What is the connection between Israel and Jewdom?? Seriously? Uhhh, well; Israel is a Jewish supremacist rogue state. That's 3rd grade shit there my friend! You are hard to follow.

Communism: (noun) A theory or system of social organization based on the holding of all property in common, actual ownership subscribing to the community rather than the individual.

Fascism: (noun) A govt. system led by a dictator regimenting all national resources be turned over to a specified race and or chosen layer of ruling society. There's a difference between Franco and Castro. Surprise!!!!

I support the freedom of the Palestinians to live without Judaism and her occupying army. Because they do not have a good political alternative does not mean they cannot be supported in the war against zionism.

The Hamas victory was the result of living under seige for decades. Religious radicals thrive on chaos and fear, precisely what the Jews wanted: A reason to continue bombing refufee camps and the captive Palestinian population. One extreme (Judeo-fascism) feeds the other extreme (Islamofascism.) Get it yet?

Again with the baiting. I don't support religious law of any kind.

Who's threatening whom?

http://www.masada2000.org/isr-world.gifA failed state would be threatened. They should feel threatened. Israel wouldn't be there if not for US welfare.
The map clearly shows you are vastly outnumbered. Why should such a small Jewish population weild so much loaned power?

It is odd that tiny Israel, the size of New Jersey, which only wants to live in peace, receives such treatment from the Arab world, truly absurd.Wouldn't be a problem if the Jews didn't mimic the Nazis. Palestine will not go away.

Who's threatening whom?

http://www.masada2000.org/isr-world.gifMap does not include Albania as a Muslim nation.

An Islamofascist must be a Muslim with extremist, supremacist beliefs. .Hey dude, I don't know what your game is but, You are as such, if it walks like a dove it is a dove.
Thanks also for that "happy holocaust" fascist remark, or 'death to isreal' islamofascism remark.

i see you "kids" played nicely while i was away.

My question is still for all the territory in the Arab world, why haven't they offered the Parisians a home land of their own, why will they not let them become citizens of their countries?, even though they are born in said country, why will most Arab countries not allow the Palestinians born in their countries, be employed in the country that they were born in? for all the pronouncement of concern for the Palestinians what have the Arab Moslem Countries done for their Brother Palestinians?

for all the pronouncement of concern for the Palestinians what have the Arab Moslem Countries done for their Brother Palestinians?

NOTHING!

It is ironic how little help (food, hospitals, etc.) the Gaza people get from their Islamic brethren.

Well I read this:
http://www.newhumanist.org.uk/volume117issue2_more.php?id=254_0_13_0_C


I just wondered if it applied to Muslims as well.

"Of different" as in "not of the same faith as each other". Dunno if that's true, though.

It is ironic how little help (food, hospitals, etc.) the Gaza people get from their Islamic brethren.

Are you sure?

How would they get the food in?
http://www.irinnews.org/report.asp?ReportID=56637&SelectRegion=Middle_East&SelectCountry=ISRAEL-OPT

TEL AVIV, 6 Dec 2006 (IRIN) - An important commercial crossing from Israel into the Gaza Strip could be re-opened next week, Israeli officials told IRIN, allowing vital food supplies into Gaza.

The Karni crossing to the west of Gaza City is the only cargo terminal designed for the passage of large containers into the Strip and as such is vital for food supplies. It has been closed almost constantly since September, according to John Ging, the head of the United Nations Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA), which feeds 860,000 refugees in Gaza.


Would you like to try going there?
http://www.irinnews.org/report.asp?ReportID=56682&SelectRegion=Middle_East&SelectCountry=ISRAEL-OPT
Khan, who is leading an Amnesty mission to the region, had said that “Most civilian deaths have been the result of deliberate and reckless shooting and artillery shelling or air strikes by Israeli forces carried out in densely populated areas in the Gaza Strip”.

Maybe tourism might help to generate funds?
http://files.tikkun.org/current/article.php?story=20061028101348929
In large parts of Gaza nowadays, there is no electricity. Israel bombed the only power station in Gaza, and more than half the electricity supply will be cut off for at least another year. There's hardly any water. Since there is no electricity, supplying homes with water is nearly impossible. Gaza is filthier and smellier than ever: Because of the embargo Israel and the world have imposed on the elected authority, no salaries are being paid and the street cleaners have been on strike for the past few weeks. Piles of garbage and obnoxious clouds of stink strangle the coastal strip, turning it into Calcutta.

More than ever, Gaza is also like a prison. The Erez crossing is empty, the Karni crossing has been open only a few days over the last two months, and the same is true for the Rafah crossing. Some 15,000 people waited for two months to enter Egypt, some are still waiting, including many ailing and wounded people. Another 5,000 waited on the other side to return to their homes. Some died during the wait. One must see the scenes at Rafah to understand how profound a human tragedy is taking place. A crossing that was not supposed to have an Israeli presence continues to be Israel's means to pressure 1.5 million inhabitants. This is disgraceful and shocking collective punishment. The U.S. and Europe, whose police are at the Rafah crossing, also bear responsibility for the situation.

Gaza is also poorer and hungrier than ever before. There is nearly no merchandise moving in and out, fishing is banned, the tens of thousands of PA workers receive no salaries, and the possibility of working in Israel is out of the question.

And we still haven?t mentioned the death, destruction and horror. In the last two months, Israel killed 224 Palestinians, 62 of them children and 25 of them women. It bombed and assassinated, destroyed and shelled, and no one stopped it. No Qassam cell or smuggling tunnel justifies such wide-scale killing. A day doesn?t go by without deaths, most of them innocent civilians.

Where are the days when there was still a debate inside Israel about the assassinations? Today, Israel drops innumerable missiles, shells and bombs on houses and kills entire families on its way to another assassination. Hospitals are collapsing with more than 900 people undergoing treatment. At Shifa Hospital, the only such facility in Gaza that might be worthy of being called a hospital, I saw heartrending scenes last week. Children who lost limbs, on respirators, paralyzed, crippled for the rest of their lives.

Families have been killed in their sleep, while riding on donkeys or working in fields. Frightened children, traumatized by what they have seen, huddle in their homes with a horror in their eyes that is difficult to describe in words. A journalist from Spain who spent time in Gaza recently, a veteran of war and disaster zones around the world, said he had never been exposed to scenes as horrific as the ones he saw and documented over the last two months.

What do you think?

I hear the local restaurants have some awesome fare:
http://wakeupfromyourslumber.blogspot.com/2006/09/palestinians-scour-for-food-in-garbage.html

The Israeli military and economic siege of Gaza has led to a collapse in Palestinian living conditions and many people only survive by looking for scraps of food in rubbish dumps, say international aid agencies.

"The pressure and tactics have not resulted in a desire for compromise," Karen Abuzayd, the head of the UN Relief and Works Agency is said to have warned. "But rather they have created mass despair, anger and a sense of hopelessness and abandonment."

That's putting it mildly. How would you feel if, thanks to Israeli lust for land, you had to look for food in the garbage?

Israel closed the entry and exit points into the Gaza Strip, home to 1.5 million Palestinians, on 25 June and has conducted frequent raids and bombings that have killed 262 people and wounded 1,200. The crisis in Gaza has been largely ignored by the rest of the world, which has been absorbed by the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan and Lebanon.

"Women in Gaza tell me they are eating only one meal a day, bread with tomatoes or cheap vegetables," said Kirstie Campbell of the UN's World Food Programme, which is feeding 235,000 people. She added that in June, since when the crisis has worsened, some 70 per cent of people in Gaza could not meet their family's food needs. "People are raiding garbage dumps," she said.

Not to mention some really unique local features:
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO0607/S00295.htm
Collective Punishment & Severe Humanitarian Crisis

Electricity

Gaza’s only electrical power plant was destroyed in an air strike on 28 June. As a result, the entire Gazan population has been left with only intermittent power supplied by the Israel Electric Company, and insufficient, costly generators which are becoming increasingly difficult to find on the local market. Repairs to Gaza’s electrical plant will take between 6-8 months to complete. In addition, the opening of the only Israeli-run fuel pipeline into Gaza is sporadic, limiting the amount of fuel available to power generators.

Water, sanitation and public health

In that Gaza’s water and sewage systems depend entirely on electricity to power water and sewage pumps, the lack of electricity has critically affected water supplies and sewage systems, which are now reliant on insufficient generators to remain partially functional. Underground water pipes have also been damaged by the weight of heavy tanks & Armoured Personnel Carriers.

In addition, the Gaza Municipality has run out of fuel for its garbage trucks. As such, no garbage has been collected since 9 July. Gaza‚s streets are now filled with piles of rotting debris, posing serious public health concerns. WHO has already reported that the cases of watery and bloody diarrhoea amongst refugees for the last week of June and the first week of July have increased by

163% and 140% respectively compared to the same period last year.

Road networks

3 bridges and a main road linking north, central and southern Gaza were destroyed in Israeli air strikes on 28 June. Gaza is now cut into two and movement between the north, centre and south has been obstructed, with serious implications for the ability of emergency health services to reach patients and injured persons.

Health

Rising deaths and injuries as a result of the Israeli invasion have placed further pressure on hospital services, already critically affected by external funding cuts since January 2006. Electricity cuts have seriously weakened the capacity of hospitals to maintain service provision and hospitals are now reliant on costly back-up generators. The fuel supplies of hospital and primary healthcare centres are only expected to last a further 1-2 weeks.

Continuous power is required for the preservation of vaccine cold chain items, food for patients, and emergency operations. Operating theatres have already reduced functions due to lack of

electricity and medical supplies. Israeli border closures have also meant that there are shortages of basic drugs, disposable equipment, and diagnostic materials.

Displacement

939 Gazans evacuated from their homes during the siege of the Al Shouka area of eastern Rafah are now staying in 2 UNRWA schools which are being used as shelters. A further 190 families have approached these schools to receive food supplies as the area has been prevented from receiving humanitarian supplies due to the presence of the Israeli military in the area.

Rafah Crisis and Prolonged border closures

All entry and exit points to Gaza have been virtually sealed by Israel since a Palestinian attack on an Israeli military target in the Strip on 25 June. This has led to a severe crisis at the Rafah crossing, where up to 5,000 Palestinians, including 33 patients who underwent medical treatment in Egypt, have been stranded on the Egyptian side of the border since then. 5 people have already died, including a 70-year-old man, a 15-year-old boy, a 19-year-old woman, an 18-month-old baby, and a 27-year-old woman.

Additionally, hundreds of chronically ill patients, including cancer and heart patients requiring essential life-saving medical treatment unavailable in Gaza have been unable to leave.

Food Security

Virtually no humanitarian supplies have entered the Gaza Strip since 7 July. Families are now buying food on a daily basis due to the lack of electricity to power fridges and freezers. Wheat flour mills grinding flour for bread are running on generators, but only have fuel to last further 2-3 days. The availability of fish, which provides up to one third of protein intake in Gaza, has been restricted due to the presence of Israeli military vessels in Gazan waters and the lack of refrigeration facilities.

Sonic booms

Israel resumed its sonic boom campaign on 28 June 2006. Between 28 June and 4 July, there were 25 sonic booms caused by Israeli war planes breaking the sound barrier at low altitudes. There are approximately 3-4 booms each night, causing widespread anxiety and distress to families, especially young children. Sonic booms have been directly related to the rising number of miscarriages and premature births in the Gaza Strip.

Dr. Barghouthi also highlighted the fact that Israeli military action in the West Bank has continued unabated, and that since May 2006 there have been:

691 raids, resulting in:

• 39 Palestinian casualties

• 1 assassination

• 145 injuries

• 461 kidnappings, 37 of whom are children, 27 of whom are members of the Palestinian Legislative Council (PLC), and 8 of whom are cabinet ministers

One minister and 3 PLC members also had their Jerusalem residency cards revoked, including those of their families and children.

Dr. Barghouthi ended the presentation by addressing the issue of unbalanced media coverage of the Gaza crisis, and the terminology and narratives adopted by news agencies. He cited the example of the use of the terms “hostage” and “kidnapped”‚ in relation to Israeli soldier, Gilad Shalit, while Palestinian parliamentarians being held under Israeli detention without charge are referred to as “prisoners”.

He also stressed that sustained Israeli attacks on Gaza in the months leading up to the invasion illustrate that the current crisis was not sparked off by Shalit’s capture. Between 29 March and 27 June, Israel conducted 112 air strikes on, and fired 4,751 artillery shells into the Gaza Strip. A total of 65 Gazans were killed between 3 May and 27 June, including at least 34 civilians, 12 of whom were children and 5 of whom were women.

Should be an interesting trip?

My question is still for all the territory in the Arab world, why haven't they offered the Parisians a home land of their own, why will they not let them become citizens of their countries?, even though they are born in said country, why will most Arab countries not allow the Palestinians born in their countries, be employed in the country that they were born in?
Hi buffalo,
Hows it going with you?

how do you mean? are you talking about Palestinian refugees who now live outside Israel and the occupied terrirtories?


[QUOTE=Buffalo Roam;1254663]
for all the pronouncement of concern for the Palestinians what have the Arab Moslem Countries done for their Brother Palestinians?

Buffalo, you have to understand that the Arab leaders (post 1945 anyway)are corrupt power crazy, greedy and boastful of their little acheivements, espically the Gulf states and KSA. The arabs dont give a shit about anyone including their own. this entire situation with israel and Palestine could have been long settled if the Arab leaders had actually thought about it properly instead of trying to use it as an excuse to deflect attnetion away from thier various incompetences. The Arab leaders like this situation as it deflects the normal peoples attention away from troubles at home caused through incompetent leadership on the domestic front.

Having said thaty i think their is token support from the KSA and others, but not much in comparison to what they could do.

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take care
zak

samdkey all those one sided sources you quoted, not one credible site you could found?
both people suffer over there, isn't it time they make peace by us not allowing radicals hamas to rise with this propaganda?

samdkey all those one sided sources you quoted, not one credible site you could found?
both people suffer over there, isn't it time they make peace by us not allowing radicals hamas to rise with this propaganda?

Human Rights, Tikkun and Gideon Levy are not credible sources? What should I use, the IDF newsletter?:rolleyes:

Human Rights, Tikkun and Gideon Levy are not credible sources? What should I use, the IDF newsletter?:rolleyes:
what makes them credible?

what makes them credible?

IRIN is a recognised Humanitarian organisation, so is UN Relief and Works Agency and UN's World Food Programme.

Tikkun : an international peace group. (http://www.tikkun.org/)


Tikkun olam (תיקון עולם) is a Hebrew phrase which translates to "repairing the world." It is important in Judaism and is often used to explain the Jewish concept of social justice.

From their website:
We are an international community of people of many faiths calling for social justice and political freedom in the context of new structures of work, caring communities, and democratic social and economic arrangements. We seek to influence public discourse in order to inspire compassion, generosity, non-violence and recognition of the spiritual dimensions of life.


Gideon Levy:
Gideon Levy is an Israeli journalist for Ha'aretz, a member of its editorial board and former spokesman for Shimon Peres [1] In 1996 he was awarded the Emil Grunzweig Human Rights Award by the Association for Civil Rights in Israel.

IRIN is a recognised Humanitarian organisation, so is United Nations Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA),UN Relief and Works Agency and UN's World Food Programme.

Tikkun : an international peace group. (http://www.tikkun.org/)



From their website:
We are an international community of people of many faiths calling for social justice and political freedom in the context of new structures of work, caring communities, and democratic social and economic arrangements. We seek to influence public discourse in order to inspire compassion, generosity, non-violence and recognition of the spiritual dimensions of life.


Gideon Levy:
Gideon Levy is an Israeli journalist for Ha'aretz, a member of its editorial board and former spokesman for Shimon Peres [1] In 1996 he was awarded the Emil Grunzweig Human Rights Award by the Association for Civil Rights in Israel.

you didnt answer my question. what makes them more reliable then lets say, the idf newspaper? you found any lies in the idf newspaper?

you didnt answer my question. what makes them more reliable then lets say, the idf newspaper? you found any lies in the idf newspaper?

Because they are recognised human rights activists.

So is this information false?

And perhaps you could tell me if you consider them credible or not?

Because I did not find it in any IDF newsletter.http://www.google.co.in/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=5sD&q=site%3Awww1.idf.il+Gaza+hunger&btnG=Search&meta=

Armies have newspapers? Presumably there would be a lot of things they couldn't publish, for security reasons...

Armies have newspapers? Presumably there would be a lot of things they couldn't publish, for security reasons...

Like how they are blocking access to food since four months?:confused:

They have a website:
http://www1.idf.il/DOVER/site/homepage.asp?clr=1&sl=EN&id=-8888&force=1

Because they are recognised human rights activists.

So is this information false?

And perhaps you could tell me if you consider them credible or not?


after reading them, and for someone whos been there and didnt go door to door to kill palestinians, no i dont believe them. most of them are consider left wingers who often use lies to sell more and to promote their views, like haaretz.

Because I did not find it in any IDF newsletter.http://www.google.co.in/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=5sD&q=site%3Awww1.idf.il+Gaza+hunger&btnG=Search&meta=[/QUOTE]

i didnt found anything about a jewish massacre either. i wonder what that could mean.
http://www.google.co.in/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=site%3Awww1.idf.il+jews+massacare&btnG=Search&meta=

after reading them, and for someone whos been there and didnt go door to door to kill palestinians, no i dont believe them. most of them are consider left wingers who often use lies to sell more and to promote their views, like haaretz.


i didnt found anything about a jewish massacre either. i wonder what that could mean.
http://www.google.co.in/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=site%3Awww1.idf.il+jews+massacare&btnG=Search&meta= (http://www.google.co.in/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=site%3Awww1.idf.il+jews+massacare&btnG=Search&meta=)

And what makes you more credible than multinational humanitarian groups and human rights activists who are also Jewish?

And what makes you more credible than multinational humanitarian groups and human rights activists who are also Jewish?

because i have nothing to gain.

because i have nothing to gain.

But you said to me earlier that your viewpoint is always subjective and pro-Israel.

An objective person is one who has nothing to gain. A subjective one has personal bias.:)

But you said to me earlier that your viewpoint is always subjective and pro-Israel.

always? i doubt that is how i put it.

An objective person is one who has nothing to gain. A subjective one has personal bias.:)
when it comes to a point of view maybe. but we are talking about facts here.
not opinions.

always? i doubt that is how i put it.


when it comes to a point of view maybe. but we are talking about facts here.
not opinions.

What "facts"?

What "facts"?

iranian soldiers aiding hezbullah in the killing of innocent israelis.

iranian soldiers aiding hezbullah in the killing of innocent israelis.

evidence?

evidence?

iranian soldiers bodies is evidence dont you think?

iranian soldiers bodies is evidence dont you think?

i meant the innocent Israelis who were killed.

i meant the innocent Israelis who were killed.

no innocent israeli civilians were kiiled by hizbullah?

iranian soldiers aiding hezbullah in the killing of innocent israelis.

So what if Iranian soldiers helped Hezbollah fight the Israeli army? You think anyone (apart from Israelis and maybe Americans) give a damn? fuck the Israeli army, they're always whining when the opposing side has something to fight back with, they're like a little girls. But it was good to see the Israelis get their arses kicked, lol.

So what if Iranian soldiers helped Hezbollah fight the Israeli army? You think anyone (apart from Israelis and maybe Americans) give a damn? fuck the Israeli army, they're always whining when the opposing side has something to fight back with, they're like a little girls. But it was good to see the Israelis get their arses kicked, lol.

an arab-british you are? wasnt it hezbullah and its sponsors who went to the un to cry and asked for a cease fire?

wasnt it hezbullah and its sponsors who went to the un to cry and asked for a cease fire?

I don't know about that but I do know Israel littered Lebanon with cluster bombs (they kill civilians) just before the ceasefire.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/5299938.stm

Mr Egeland described the fresh statistics as "shocking new information".

"What's shocking and completely immoral is: 90% of the cluster bomb strikes occurred in the last 72 hours of the conflict, when we knew there would be a resolution," he said.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/761781.html

Fuck Israel!!! :D

I don't know about that but I do know Israel littered Lebanon with cluster bombs (they kill civilians) just before the ceasefire.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/5299938.stm



http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/761781.html

Fuck Israel!!! :D

and im guessing you support hezbullah right?

no innocent israeli civilians were kiiled by hizbullah?

Which ones were killed by Iranian soldiers?

Which ones were killed by Iranian soldiers?

iranian soldiers helped thebullah when idf troops came to stop them from firing on israel. at best, they are accessories to the crime. im just not sure if they directly fired or not. but they have actively engaged idf in the fights.

and im guessing you support hezbullah right?

I don't support Hezbollah, they are destabilising Lebanon however when it came to the war, I supported them against the Israelis 100%. Hezbollah were representing Lebanon.

iranian soldiers helped thebullah when idf troops came to stop them from firing on israel. at best, they are accessories to the crime. im just not sure if they directly fired or not. but they have actively engaged idf in the fights.

Since when is fighting back in a war a crime?

iranian soldiers helped thebullah when idf troops came to stop them from firing on israel. at best, they are accessories to the crime. im just not sure if they directly fired or not. but they have actively engaged idf in the fights.

Those two statements are contradictory.

Do you have any evidence that Iranian soldiers have killed Israeli soldiers?

And since you have bodies of Iranian soldiers, does this mean that the IDF has killed Iranian soldiers? And if you don't know that those soldiers fired, does that mean the IDF has killed Iranian soldiers who were not shooting at them?

And when you say the IDF came to stop them, does that mean the IDF soldiers were in Lebanon?

And if they came to stop them was it civilians or soldiers who came to stop them?

Since when is fighting back in a war a crime?

firing on civilians is fighting back? i thought you condemn this way of thinking.

http://xs310.xs.to/xs310/06523/modhat-goat.gif

Due to the popularity of this thread, and this issue, I made it sticky and added a broader title.

firing on civilians is fighting back? i thought you condemn this way of thinking.

Why are you trying to put words into my mouth?

I've never supported the targeting of any civilians (Muslim/Jewish/Christian, Brown/White/Black etc.) I supported Hezbollah in their battles against the IDF, take it as that, don't try and twist my words.

Can I ask you something? how do you feel about Israels use of cluster and phosphorus bombs? How do you feel about the civilians that Israel kills?

[QUOTE]I've never supported the targeting of any civilians (Muslim/Jewish/Christian, Brown/White/Black etc.) I supported Hezbollah in their battles against the IDF, take it as that, don't try and twist my words.
are you aware hezbullah, as part of the war as you put against idf fired rockets onto israel from the very beginig, prior to the israel invasion?

Can I ask you something? how do you feel about Israels use of cluster and phosphorus bombs? How do you feel about the civilians that Israel kills?
a complex question and i guess a honest one. its a tragedy when kids have to die. its a shame our enemies dont consider human life as we do, and use humans as shields as part of their war tactic. but, this is war and when you are fighting such brutal enemy you have to use more force to win. this isnt a tv show, its real life, and a real war, and war means dead people. war is a terrible thing, i dont welcome it, nor want it, but when force to act i will act, and be brutal. as brutal as i can. why? because im the the right side in this conflict and i must win. if this wasnt a war against such barabarians in the form of hezbullah, if this was just a stupid invasion, like many invasions in history, the hell i support israel, but this war was forced upon by those who seek to destroy us. thats the bottom line.

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Due to the popularity of this thread, and this issue, I made it sticky and added a broader title.

you should change i to israel and its neighbors or something like that.

are you aware hezbullah, as part of the war as you put against idf fired rockets onto israel from the very beginig, prior to the israel invasion?

And? did you expect water bombs?

But please do post some evidence.

a complex question and i guess a honest one. its a tragedy when kids have to die. its a shame our enemies dont consider human life as we do, and use humans as shields as part of their war tactic. but, this is war and when you are fighting such brutal enemy you have to use more force to win. this isnt a tv show, its real life, and a real war, and war means dead people. war is a terrible thing, i dont welcome it, nor want it, but when force to act i will act, and be brutal. as brutal as i can. why? because im the the right side in this conflict and i must win. if this wasnt a war against such barabarians in the form of hezbullah, if this was just a stupid invasion, like many invasions in history, the hell i support israel, but this war was forced upon by those who seek to destroy us. thats the bottom line.

All I read was its a shame when children die but since the guys we're fighting are barbarians, so be it, oh and the usual propaganda. So Predator, you do support the use of cluster bombs! fuck you predator_190. :D, you're a prick. You're no better than those that support terrorism.

I'm off man, goodnite.

And? did you expect water bombs?

But please do post some evidence.

when this issue was on debate before i believe i posted many evidence then. you can look up.

im surprised you dont know of hezbullah use of missiles against civilians.
All I read was its a shame when children die but since the guys we're fighting are barbarians, so be it, oh and the usual propaganda.
different people read different things. i gave you a honest answer. you call it propaganda? please explain which of my arguments were propaganda?

So Predator, you do support the use of cluster bombs!
that depends under the circumstances.

fuck you predator_190. :D, you're a prick. You're no better than those that support terrorism.
so you support hezbullah, what that makes you?

Hey dude, I don't know what your game is but, You are as such, if it walks like a dove it is a dove.
Thanks also for that "happy holocaust" fascist remark, or 'death to isreal' islamofascism remark.Yer welcome Taz.

It is ironic how little help (food, hospitals, etc.) the Gaza people get from their Islamic brethren.The Israeli blockade has something to do with that.

samdkey all those one sided sources you quoted, not one credible site you could found?
both people suffer over there, isn't it time they make peace by us not allowing radicals hamas to rise with this propaganda?Replacing the democratic vote with Jerusalem's choice for the people they hate and have trapped in battered refugee camps and leveled cities? Shall captured Iraqi rebels decide who is our next president?